The National Sunday April 2, 2017


>>>CHICAGO IS NO STRANGER TO CRIME AND VIOLENCE, BUT A SHOCKING SEXUAL ASSAULT HAS SHAKEN EVEN POLICE IN THE AMERICAN CITY. A YOUNG GIRL WAS BRUTALIZED ON A LIVE FACEBOOK VIDEO. THAT DOZENS OF PEOPLE WATCHED AND DID NOTHING ABOUT. TODAY, OFFICERS ARRESTED ONE SUSPECT AND PUT OTHERS ON NOTICE. PAUL HUNTER HAS THE STORY.>>Reporter: IN A COUNTRY AND CITY THAT LIVES WITH ACUTE VIOLENCE ALMOST DAILY, THE CRIME ITSELF STUNNED CHICAGO, NOT JUST FOR WHAT HAPPENED BUT HOW. WITH A COUPLE OF TAPS ON A SMART PHONE TOUCH SCREEN, A SEXUAL ASSAULT INTENTIONALLY STREAMED OUT AS IT HAPPENED. LIVE ON THE INTERNET.>>I WAS VISIBLY UPSET FROM WHAT I SAW. NO WOMAN SHOULD EVER BE THE TREATED THIS YOUNG WOMAN WAS. I DON’T WANT TO GO INTO THE DETAIL WHAT WAS ON THE VIDEO. THE YOUNG MEN RESPONSIBLE, THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. THEY HUMILIATED THEMSELVES, HUMILIATED THEIR FAMILIES AND NOW THEY WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY DID.>>Reporter: FOR THE 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN THIS AGE OF CYBER EVERYTHING. THE ASSAULT WAS JUST THE START.>>MOVING FORWARD, THERE IS SOCIAL MEDIA, I WILL CALL IT BULLYING THAT OCCURS WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY MAKING FUN OF THE VICTIM AND OFF COLOUR COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT OCCURRED. THIS IS CAUSING MORE TRAUMA TO THE VICTIM THAN SHE SUFFERED FROM JUST THE FACTS OF THE CASE THAT TOOK PLACE.>>Reporter: IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THOSE COMMITTING SUCH A CRIME HAVE LIVE STREAMED IT. IN THE SAME CITY, A DEVELOPMENTALLY CHALLENGED TEEN WAS BRUTALIZED LIVE ON FACEBOOK. FOUR PEOPLE WERE CHARGED. TODAY, EVEN AS POLICE TALKED OF NOW HAVING CHARGED A 14-YEAR-OLD IN THIS CASE WITH MORE TO FOLLOW, THEY SAID, IT IS CLEAR THEY ARE STRUGGLING WITH A LARGER QUESTION. AS THAT ASSAULT WAS STREAMED LIVE, THEY SAID ROUGHLY 40 PEOPLE TUNEDED IN WATCHING THE GIRL IN AGONY AND DID NOTHING.>>IT DISGUSTS ME THAT PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THE VIDEOS AND NOT PICK UP THE PHONE AND DIAL 911. IT MAKES YOU WONDER WHERE ARE WE GOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A SOCIETY THAT PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THE CRIMES TAKING PLACE AND NOT PICK UP THE PHONE.>>Reporter: LET ALONE THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE STREAM SUCH A CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE. A FAMILY FRIEND DESCRIBES THE ASSAULT AS TORTURE. POLICE SAID THE GIRL IS TRAUMATIZED AND WILL NEED EMOTIONAL CARE FOR A LONG TIME. PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Wendy: WE CAN TELL YOU THAT CHICAGO POLICE HAVE ISSUED A SECOND ARREST WARRANT. THIS TIME, FOR A 15-YEAR-OLD BOY. OFFICERS THINK AS MANY AS 6 MALES ARE INVOLVED IN THE ASSAULT. BUT THEY HAVE NOT SPECIFIED HOW MANY COULD BE CHARGED.>>>TO THE OTHER BIG STORY NOW, TODAY RESCUERS HUNTED FOR SURVIVORS IN THE COLUMBIAN CITY OF MACOA. 200 ARE DEAD AND 200 MORE ARE MISSING. THE SMALL CITY WAS RAVAGED BY EARTH AND WATER AND STUNNED BY DISASTER. SURVIVORS PICKED OVER HILLS OF RUBBLE THAT WERE ONCE STREETS AND CONTINUED THE SEARCH FOR ANYONE STILL ALIVE. OTHERS LINED UP AT HOSPITALS AND MORGUES TO FIND THE MISSING OR IDENTIFY THE DEAD. JACQUELINE HANSEN HAS OUR STORY TONIGHT.>>Reporter: THE MISSING CHILDREN. FEARED TO BE HELPLESS AGAINST THE MUDSLIDES CRUSHING FORCE. WE LOST A BABY, THIS MACOA RESIDENT SAID. WE CANNOT FIND THEM ANYWHERE. HUNDREDS OF ALL AGES ARE MISSING. EMERGENCY WORKERS ARE TRYING TO HELP HUNDREDS MORE WHO ARE INJURED. VICTIMS OF THE DEADLY FLOW OF WATER, MUD AND DEBRIT THAT SWEPT THROUGH THE TOWN. MACAO IS LOCATED IN SOUTHERN COLUMBIA, TUCKED BETWEEN MOUNTAINS AND PRONE TO RAIN. A TORRENTIAL DOWNPOUR FRIDAY NIGHT CAUSED RIVERS TO OVERFLOW THAT RUN ALONGSIDE THE TOWN. MUCH OF MACAO IS BURIED IN MUD AND DOWNED TREES. BRIDGES AND ROADS DESTROYED. BUILDINGS AND HOMES IN PILES OF RUBBLE. THE COLUMBIAN PRESIDENT FLEW IN TO SEE THE DAMAGE. HE SAID THE SEARCH FOR SURVIVORS WILL CONTINUE. HIS COUNTRY KNOWS THE IMPACT OF DISASTERS WELL. THE DEADLIEST IN MODERN TIMES IN 1985. A VOLCANO ERUPTED IN NORTH COLUMBIA. THERE ARE NO CALLS FOR ASSISTANCE YET. THEY ARE IN CONTACT WITH COLUMBIAN AUTHORITIES AND HUMANITARIAN ACTORS. THE COLUMBIAN RED CROSS IS ON THE GROUND IN MACAO AND SAID 45,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFFECTED IN SOME WAY BY THE DISASTER.>>IT IS REALLY HARSH. WE SEE FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN SEPARATED.>>Reporter: FROM THE RED CROSS HEADQUARTERS IN COLUMBIA CAPITAL, THE FOCUS IS ON RESCUE AND RECOVERY. MANY OF THE CHALLENGES WILL BE LONG-TERM.>>Interview: NO HEALTH SERVICES. NO SHELTER. NO FOOD ASSISTANCE. AND THE SUPPORT THEY USED TO HAVE IS GONE.>>Reporter: UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THE DISASTER, THE LOCALS TRY TO HOLD ON TO SOME HOPE. THIS FATHER IS ASKING FOR HELP FINDING HIS MISSING DAUGHTER. DETERMINED SHE IS ALIVE SOMEWHERE. BUT THE RAIN SEASON IN COLUMBIA HAS JUST STARTED. AND THERE ARE FEARS ANOTHER DOWNPOUR COULD CAUSE MORE GROUND TO BECOME UNSTABLE. MAKING THE ROAD AHEAD EVEN MORE DAUNTING. JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Wendy: IN NEIGHBOURING PERU, THE RECENT RAIN HAS LED TO SURGING RIVERS AND RISING FEAR. AFTER WEEKS OF FLOODING THERE LEFT DOZENS DEAD. THEY ARE SHORT OF TOILET PAPER AND CANNED FOOD AND OTHER NECESSITIES. THE GOVERNMENT THERE SAID IT NEEDS MORE INTERNATIONAL HELP AFTER FLOODING SWEPT AWAY MORE THAN 200 BRIDGES AND 2,000 KILOMETRES OF HIGHWAY. THE ECONOMISTS ESTIMATE THAT THE COUNTRY WILL NEED $8 BILLION TO RECOVER.>>>FLOODING IN SOUTHERN MANITOBA HAS PROMPTED 8 COMMUNITIES TO DECLARE STATES OF EMERGENCY. AMONG THEM, THE PEGLAS FIRST NATION. ON THE RED RIVER, ICE JAMMING PUT THE PROVINCE ON HIGH ALERT. IT IS EXPECTED TO CREST IN WINNIPEG MID-WEEK. OVER LAND FLOODING WASHED OUT FARMLAND AND ROADS.>>>THEY ARE DAMNING ALLEGATIONS MADE BY A CONTROVERSIAL VIGILANTE GROUP, THE SURREY CREEP CATCHERS, CLAIM TO EXPOSE PEOPLE THEY ALLEGE TO BE PEDOPHILES. TWO OF THE TARGETS HAVE FILED DEFAMATION SUITS IN THE B.C. SUPREME COURT.>>Reporter: SHAWN SMITH SAID IT STARTED WHEN HE POSTED A VIDEO ONLINE CRITICIZING THE SURREY CREEP CATCHERS.>>Interview: WHAT HAS TURNED INTO NOTHING MORE THAN A 21st CENTURY VIGILANTE GROUP, CONDUCTING A 17th CENTURY WITCH HUNT.>>Reporter: SMITH CLAIMS THE DAY AFTER HE POSTED THE VIDEO, THE CREEP CATCHER PRESIDENT POSTED A RESPONSE. AND THESE PICTURES OF SMITH TO HIS 11,000 FOLLOWERS. SMITH AGREED TO LET US SHOW THEM. SMITH SAID HE IS SUING BECAUSE HIS REPUTATION HAS BEEN HARMED AND HE RECEIVED DEATH THREATS.>>Interview: THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL COMPENSATION, IT HAS TO DO WITH NUMBER ONE MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE CONTENT DEFAMATORY IS TAKEN OFF LINE.>>Reporter: OTHER GROUPS LIKE IT POSE AS MINORS ON-LINE. THEY ARRANGE TO MEET TARGETS AND POST VIDEOS OF THE INTERACTIONS. THE HEAD OF CREEP CATCHERS WILL NOT APOLOGIZE TO SMITH.>>Interview: NEVER. NEVER. THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING I WILL PUT DOWN ALL THE VIDEOS OF THE GUYS WE CAUGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM NOT SORRY. IT IS TIT FOR TAT.>>Reporter: IT A SECOND LAWSUIT HAS BEEN FILED WITH A MAN FROM ABBOTSFORD, B.C. SAYING THE PRESIDENT DEFAMED HIM. A STATEMENT OF DEFENCE HAS NOT BEEN FILED AND NONE OF THE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVEN IN COURT.>>Wendy: AFTER DAYS OF ANGER AND FRUSTRATION OVER BIG PAY HIKES FOR EXECUTIVES AT BOMBARDIER, AN APPARENT CHANGE OF HEART. TONIGHT, THE AEROSPACE GIANT ISSUED A SURPRISE STATEMENT PROMISING TO DEFER MUCH OF THE CONTROVERSIAL PAY TO THE SATISFACTION OF QUEBEC’S GOVERNMENT. IT CAME HOURS AFTER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE GATHERED IN MONTREAL AT COMPANY HEADQUARTERS. THE CBC WAS THERE.>>Reporter: THE CROWD SURROUNDED THE OFFENCES OF BOMBARDIER, ALL HERE TO SEND A MESSAGE.>>WHEN SOMETHING IS NONSENSE, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND PEOPLE ARE DOING SOMETHING.>>Reporter: THEY WANT QUEBEC TO TELL THE COMPANY THAT IF IT WILL ACCEPT GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS AND INVESTMENTS, IT CAN’T THEN TURN AROUND AND INCREASE COMPENSATION FOR EXECUTIVES BY MILLIONS. ONE MEMBER OF THE GOVERNMENT DID SHOW UP. HE SAID IT IS UP TO BOMBARDIER TO ACT.>>Interview: IT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR THE VOICE OF QUEBECERS AND THE GOVERNMENT LISTENS TO THE VOICE AND HEAR THE VOICE.>>Reporter: THE PROTESTERS DID NOT WANT TO LISTEN TO HIM, THOUGH. HE WAS BOOED UNTIL HE LEFT THE ANGRY CROWD. THIS EVENING, THE COMPANY SEEMED TO BOW TO PUBLIC PRESSURE. IN A STATEMENT, IT SAID IT WOULD DEFER MORE THAN 50% OF THE PLANNED CONTROVERSIAL COMPENSATION UNTIL 2020. THE CEO SAID THE COMPENSATION WILL ONLY BE PAID OUT TO THE TOP EXECUTIVES IF THEY ACHIEVE CERTAIN PERFORMANCE GOALS. MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THOSE GOALS ARE EXACTLY ARE EXPECTED LATER THIS WEEK.>>Wendy: FOR THE SECOND STRAIGHT SUNDAY, ANTI-CORRUPTION PROTESTERS TOOK TO THE STREETS OF MOSCOW. THE CROWDS MAY HAVE BEEN SMALLER, BUT THE POLICE WERE AS FIRM. AN ESTIMATED 20-30 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED FOR BREACHING PUBLIC ORDER.>>>A TRADITIONAL BOMB FIRE LIGHTING WENT WRONG AT A TOWN NEAR PARIS. THE GAS USED TO LIGHT THE FIRE WAS MISHANDLED. 18 PEOPLE WERE INJURED OR BURNED.>>>AN UNEXPLODED BOMB FROM THE SECOND WORLD WAR CAUSED A SCARE IN LONDON. IT WAS FOUND IN THE THAMES RIVER NEAR THE STARTING LINE OF AN ANNUAL BOAT RACE BETWEEN OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY. THE BOMB WAS REMOVED. AND THE RACE CARRIED ON.>>>IT IS CALLED THE SILENT KILLER. YOU CANNOT SEE IT OR SMELL IT. CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING KILLED DOZENS OF CANADIANS A YEAR. MANY HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO INSTALL DETECTORS THAT COULD SAVE LIVES. THEY WANT THAT TO CHANGE.>>Reporter: IT WAS A TRAUMATIC SCENE, A 13-YEAR-OLD BOY FOUND DEAD YESTERDAY. ANOTHER 5 CHILDREN UNCONSCIOUS AROUND THIS MICHIGAN HOTEL POOL.>>I COULDN’T EVEN SEE THEM BREATHING.>>Reporter: THE AUTHORITIES SAID THEY WERE OVERCOME BY CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING. 14 PEOPLE WERE SENT TO THE HOSPITAL INCLUDING BUTLER.>>Interview: I WAS PASSED OUT. I HIT MY HEAD. THE POLICE OFFICER HAD TO HELP US. AND SAVED OUR LIVES.>>Reporter: THE SCENE IS ON THE HEELS OF ANOTHER RECENT TRAGEDY. A FAMILY OF FOUR WAS FOUND DEAD IN THEIR HOME. THE CAUSE CARBON MONOXIDE.>>Interview: WE HAVE THREE DEATHS AT A TIME. NOTHING CHANGES.>>Reporter: THE CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS IS CALLING ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS MANDATORY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.>>Interview: THE FACT THAT SOME PROVINCES ENFORCE CO ALARMS IN HOMES PREVIOUS TO THE BUILDING CODES AND SOME DON’T IS A CONCERN.>>Reporter: THE ASSOCIATION SAID THE COLOURLESS ODOURLESS GAS KILLS BETWEEN 50-100 CANADIANS A YEAR. THE STATS ARE NOT TRACKED NATIONALLY. IT IS WORKING ON A DATA BASE. CARBON MONOXIDE CAN BUILD UP INDOORS FROM BURNING FUEL IN FIREPLACES, FURNACES AND SPACE HEATERS AND GENERATORS. BRYANNA OWES HER LIFE TO A DETECTOR. A LEAKY FURNACE LADY TO HIGH CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS IN HER SASKATOON HOME WHILE HER FAMILY WAS SLEEPING.>>Interview: WHEN WE LET OURSELVES GO THERE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED THAT NIGHT, IT IS TERRIFYING. WHAT HAPPENS TO OTHER FAMILIES. LIKE THAT FAMILY IN B.C. LAST WEEK. IT IS JUST — IT IS SUCH A TRAGEDY. IT IS SUCH A PREVENTIBLE TRAGEDY.>>Reporter: ONTARIO AND YUKON ARE THE ONLY JURISDICTION IN CANADA THAT REQUIRE ALL HOMEOWNERS TO INSTALL CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS. THE CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS SAID UNTIL ALL PROVINCES FOLLOW, THEY HOPE PEOPLE TAKE THE RISK SERIOUSLY AND MAKE SURE THEIR FAMILIES ARE PROTECTED. CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG.>>Wendy: COMING UP, LATEST ON THE CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP DEBATE. INCLUDING A HIGH PROFILE NO SHOW. ♪ [“The National” theme] ♪ [heavy drumming] ♪ [metal rock] ♪ ♪ ♪ [metal rock] [car horn blares] ♪ [metal rock] ♪ ♪ ♪ [ends]>>THE REMOTE COMMUNITY IN NORTHERN MANITOBA LOST ITS ONLY GROCERY STORE IN A FIRE. THE BUILDING WHICH HOUSES THE POST OFFICE WENT UP IN FLAMES LAST NIGHT. THE POLICE ARE INVESTIGATING WHETHER THE FIRE WAS DELIBERATELY SET.>>>THE RESCUE WORKERS CANNOT DO MORE TO SAVE A WHALE. THE HUMPBACK WAS STUCK ON FRIDAY. THE HOPE NOW IS THAT THE WIND WILL SHIFT AND THE ICE WILL LOOSEN ENOUGH TO SET THE MAMMAL FREE.>>>A 14 WAY DEBATE IS NOT AN IDEAL SCENARIO FOR ANY POLITICAL CANDIDATE. THAT IS HOW MANY CONSERVATIVES ARE STILL IN THE RING FOR THE FEDERAL LEADERSHIP. NOW THAT THE APPLICATION DEADLINE HAS PASSED. BUT OF THE 14, ONE DIDN’T SHOW UP FOR TODAY’S DEBATE. EVAN DYER HAS MORE.>>Reporter: YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED SOMEBODY IS MISSING.>>Reporter: THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS TO EXPLAIN AN UNEXPECTED ABSENCE. THE MAN SEEN BY MANY, CERTAINLY BY HIMSELF AS THE RACE’S FRONT RUNNER.>>WE HAD A CALL FROM MR. O’LEARY, ADVISING US HE WOULD NOT ATTEND. APPARENTLY HE NEEDS TIME WITH HIS WIFE TODAY.>>Reporter: THAT WAS NOT THE ONLY DEVIATION FROM THE ORIGINAL GUEST LIST. NEAR MAXIME BERNIER OR STEVEN BLANEY WAS SCHEDULED TO SHOW. BUT BOTH DID. AND BERNIER SEEMED TO DRAW THE WARMEST REACTION FROM THE TORONTO CROWD.>>MAXIME BERNIER. I AM HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN — I DON’T WANT TO MAKE COMPROMISE WITH OUR PRINCIPLE.>>Reporter: THE MESSAGE OF LOWER TAXES AND LESS REGULATION WAS ECHOED BY EVERYONE WHO SPOKE. THERE WERE DIFFERENCES ON THE CARBON TAX. THE ISSUE THAT SPLIT THE CANDIDATES WAS HOW TO DEAL WITH REFUGEES AND CANDIDATE. SHE WAS NOT BACKING DOWN TO SCREEN IMMIGRANTS FOR ADHERENCE TO CANADIAN VALUES AND INSIST HER VIEWS ARE MORE IN TUNE WITH VOTERS.>>COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT WITH THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND AND SOME CANDIDATES.>>REAL CONSERVATIVE POLICY…>>Reporter: MICHAEL CHONG WAS ONE WHO SAID PLAYING IDENTITY POLITICS WAS A LOSING PROPTICIAN FOR THE CONSERVATIVES.>>THE PARTY THAT PLAYS TO FEAR AND PREJUDICE AND ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT. YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT WILL LEAD TO EVER SHRINKING NUMBERS OF CONSERVATIVE M.P.S AND IT WILL HAND THE LIBERALS MAJORITY GOVERNMENTS FOR A GENERATION TO COME.>>Reporter: WITH 13 POLITICIANS ON THE SAME STAGE, IT CAN BE HARD FOR ANY ONE PERSON TO SHINE. ALTHOUGH SEVERAL CANDIDATES HAD GOOD MOMENTS TODAY, THEY DID NOT SEEM TO BE A CLEAR WINNER.>>Wendy: BOB DILLON HAS HIS NOBEL PRIZE FOR LITERATURE. HE PICKED IT UP IN STOCKHOLM. HE WAS NAMED LAUREATE FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION TO POETRY. HE DID NOT SEEM INTERESTED TO PICK UP HIS PRIZE.>>ITS OWN INTERNAL GROOVE. WHAT?>>Wendy: THE GENIUS BEHIND THAT SOUND HAS DIED AT THE AGE OF 87. HE FOUNDED THE ROLLIN CORPORATION. THE MAKER OF THE DRUM MACHINE. IT IS POPULAR AT HIP-HOP AND NEW WAVE FOR DECADES. FROM KANYE WEST TO NEW ORDER.>>>AND A FAMOUS PORTRAIT HAS SOLD AT AUCTION IN HONG KONG FOR A PRIVATE COLLECTOR. IT WENT FOR UNDER 17 MILLION CANADIAN DOLLARS. SHY OF THE 20 MILLION EXPECTED.>>>DON’T GO AWAY, UP NEXT, A SUNDAY TALK ON THE GROWING ANGER OVER GROWING CORPORATE PAYCHECKS. ♪ [“The National” theme] ♪ [upbeat funky] ♪ [upbeat funky] ♪ [upbeat funky] ♪ [upbeat funky] ♪ [upbeat funky] ♪ [ends] [♪♪♪]>>Wendy: TIME FOR THE SUNDAY TALK. WHERE WE TAP INTO THE DEBATE OF THE WEEK. LOOK AROUND THE WORLD AND HERE IN CANADA AND IT IS NOT HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO RAGE AT POLITICIANS, BUREAUCRATS AND EXPERTS. ONE GROUP TENDS TO ESCAPE THE BACKLASH AGAINST ELITES. BIG BUSINESS. THE ANGER IS STARTING TO GROW. AFTER BOMBARDIER GAVE ITS EXECUTIVES A MASSIVE PAY RAISE WHILE LAYING OFF THOUSANDS OF WORKERS AND GETTING RESCUED BY $1 BILLION IN TAXPAYER FUNDS.>>YOU CAN SAY IT IS OUTRAGEOUS. AND INDICATIVE OF ENORMOUS SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.>>Wendy: FREE RIDES FOR THOSE IN FANCY SUITS WHILE REGULAR PEOPLE TAKE IT ON THE CHIN. THAT IS NOT NEW IN CANADA. REMEMBER NORTEL. THE CANADIAN TECH GIANT COLLAPSED AMID AN ACCOUNTING SCANDAL. THE EXECUTIVES MADE OFF WITH MILLIONS IN EXTRA PAY. AND SOME CANADIAN BUSINESSES ARE NOT EXACTLY SAINTS ABROAD. ONE BIG CANADIAN MINING COMPANY FACES A LAWSUIT FOR ALLEGEDLY USING SLAVE LABOUR IN ERITREA. THE BANKS MAY HAVE EMERGED WITH STERLING REPRESENTATIONS IN THE WAKE OF THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS. BUT IN RECENT WEEKS, WHISTLE-BLOWERS FROM THE BIG FIVE SAID THERE IS A CULTURE OF PUSHING PRODUCTS. EVEN TO THE POINT OF MISLEADING CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SALES AND BLOAT PROFIT.>>>ACCORDING TO A RECENT SURVEY ON PUBLIC TRUST AND INSTITUTIONS, POLITICIANS AND MEDIA ARE TAKING HITS. BY COMPARISON, BIG BUSINESS HAS SEEMED BULLET PROOF. I’M JOINED BY OUR PANELISTS, STEVEN MARSH IS A CULTURE WRITER FOR ESQUIRE. AN ECONOMIST AND COMMENTATOR. AND A RADIO TALKSHOW HOST IN TORONTO. I WILL START WITH YOU. IT IS UNUSUAL WE SEE THE PROTESTS THAT WE SAW THIS WEEKEND AGAINST BOMBARDIER. IS THE BEHAVIOUR OF SOME OF THE CORPORATE LEADERS GETTING WORSE, IS THE BEHAVIOUR GETTING WORSE?>>I DON’T KNOW IF IT IS GETTING WORSE. IT SEEMS THAT WAY. I WOULD SAY THIS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT MONTREALERS AND QUEBECERS GENERALLY LOVE TO PROTEST. MY WHOLE PROVINCE IS ONE OF THE FEW THAT DOES GET OUT THERE REGULARLY. WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I THINK WITH THE ADVENT OF MORE PLUGGED INTO THE NEWS, THESE STORIES REALLY DO SPEAK TO BOTH THOSE WHO ARE ON THE RIGHT AND THOSE WHO ARE ON THE LEFT. CORPORATE WELFARE AMIDST HUGE LAYOFFS DOES NOT PLAY WELL IN THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. YOU ARE SEEING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE A BUBBLING HOUSING CRISIS, PERHAPS. AND PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND JOBS. PEOPLE MOVING BACK IN WITH THEIR PARENTS. I THINK THAT JUXTAPOSED WITH A GENERATION WHO FEELS THEY HAVE NOT GOT THEIR DUE IS CREATING THE SENTIMENT.>>Wendy: ARE CORPORATE LEADERS IN CANADA GETTING GREEDIER? CAN THEY GET AWAY WITH MORE THAN WHAT THEY COULD YEARS AGO.>>WE ARE HAVING LEADER DRAW MANY ATTENTION TO THE SYSTEM BEING RIGGED. PEOPLE ARE — CORPORATIONS ARE ACTING WORSE OVER TIME. THE SECOND THING IS IN AN ERA OF SLOW GROWTH, IT IS HARD TO GIVE YOUR SHAREHOLDERS AND YOUR OWNERS THE GROWTH THAT THEY EXPECT. THE WAY YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU ARE NOT GROWING SALES IS CUTTING OFF JOBS AND ALSO EATING UP SMALLER CORPORATIONS. COMPANIES ARE DOING THINGS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SEEMINGLY A FEW YEARS AGO TO DO BUSINESS AS USUAL. WE FORGET THAT THEIR JOB IS TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT. THEY WILL DO IT AT ANY WAY POSSIBLE. WE WILL SEE A LOT MORE UGLY STORIES AS TIME GOES BY.>>Wendy: WHAT IS YOUR SENSE?>>I THINK A LOT OF THE PRIDE THAT CANADIANS TOOK IN THE BANKS IN 2008, I MEAN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED AND WE SORT OF ALLOWED OUR SYSTEM TO DRIFT ON THE SORT OF INERTIA FROM THE SENSE THAT THINGS IN CANADA ARE MORE NORMAL THAN ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE WE SEE BREAKDOWNS. ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, SPIKING INEQUALITY, AS YOU SAY, THE CORPORATE MENTALITY THAT IS INCREASINGLY JUST POORLY TAKING THINGS ON A MONETARY VALUE TO THE EXCLUSION OF EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS COMING FOR US AS IT COMES FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.>>Wendy: THE BANKS ADVERTIZE ALL THE TIME ABOUT TRUST US. THERE HAS TO BE A LINE BETWEEN SATISFYING THE SHAREHOLDERS AND SATISFYING THE PUBLIC. WINNING THE PUBLIC TRUST. IS THAT LINE SHIFTING? IS THERE PAY BACK ON THAT NOW?>>WHEN IT COMES TO THE BANKS. WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX BIG ONES. THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH A LOT OF MALFEASANCE IF THEY WANT TO. OR THINGS THAT BENEFIT THEM ONLY AND DON’T US. RISING FEES, WHAT WE HEARD, NOT JUST ABOUT THE WAY THESE TELLERS ARE TRAINED TO GET AS MUCH MONEY FROM US AS POSSIBLE. ALSO THE STORY FROM 2013 WITH RBC AND C.I.B.C., THE WORKERS ARE TRAINING REPLACEMENTS AS THE GO OFFSHORE. WHICH IS LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE YOU ARE TRAINING THE PERSON THAT IS GOING TO CUT YOUR HEAD OFF. AS WE SEE THESE STORIES HAPPEN, YOU ASK YOURSELF HOW WILL WE MAKE A LIVING. IT GOES BACK TO THE POINT, WHAT ARE WE TELLING OUR KIDS. THE INDUSTRIES TO TRAIN FOR.>>Wendy: OTHER THAN MONTREAL, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PROTEST.>>THE ROGERS, WE CAN AGREE WE HATED CORPORATIONS.>>AND THE PHONE COMPANIES.>>THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CORPORATE MALFEASANCE WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF CAPITALISM AND PART — I THINK KIND OF CANADIANS TAKE FOR GRANTED — AS OUTRAGEOUS AS IT IS, THAT IS PART OF LIVING IN A CAPITAL SOCIETY AND NOT BEING ABLE TO TRUST THE BANKS. NOT BEING ABLE TO TRUST THE BANKS IS REALLY SERIOUS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OUR SOCIETY HAS REMAINED KIND OF IMPERVIOUS TO THE POPULISM AND THE HORRORS THAT ARE VISITING EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND AMERICA IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TRUST IN THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. IF THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE BLAME THE BANKS, THEN THE — THEN EVENTUALLY CIVIL SOCIETY GOES. THEY ARE VERY RELATED. THEY DO — THESE THINGS — IT IS APOCALYPTIC. WHAT WE SAW IN AMERICA AND EUROPE, FACING THE BANKS WENT AND THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WENT, THE STRUCTURE, THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF ECONOMIC LIFE. I THINK THE BOMBARDIER THING IS A SEPARATE MATTER. THE BANKS ARE MORE VITAL.>>I DON’T DISAGREE. I THINK WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT MAKE IT TORONTO CENTRIC. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, GENERALLY, THE BANKS ARE ACTING IN A WAY WHERE THEY HAND OUT MORTGAGES LIKE CANDY ON HALLOWEEN. IF THEY DO NOT SELF REGULATE, THE GOVERNMENT SAID THEY WILL STEP IN. IT IS LIKE A PUSH, PULL OF WHERE TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE. I HOPE ARLENE CAN ANSWER THAT.>>I WANT TO GO TO THE IDEA IT IS THE FIRST THE BANKS AND THE POLITICIANS. I THINK IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY. THE LACK OF TRUST IS AN EMOTION. AND YOU HAVE EMOTIONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE. NOT WITH INSTITUTIONS. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT INSTITUTIONS. CORPORATIONS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC COMPANIES HERE. BIG ONES. THE CORPORATE LANDSCAPE IS NOT ONE THING. CORPORATIONS ACT DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THE SIZE AND SECTOR AND THEIR OWN INTERNAL MISSIONS.>>Wendy: PEOPLE ARE TIED IN WITH THE BANKS. IT IS PERSONAL.>>IT IS A UTILITY. THEN YOU GET — TELECOM IS A UTILITY AND BANKS ARE A UTILITY. AND THE THING WITH THE BANKS RIGHT NOW IS THEY ARE DOING — THEY ARE REPORTING RECORD PROFITS. AND THEY HAVE BEEN REPORTING RECORD PROFITS FOR YEARS. IF THEY COUPLE THAT WITH CUTTING OFF JOBS AS WELL, IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT WE CAN DO. THE COMPANIES WILL SAY, BUT IT IS COMMON, EVERY BUSINESS DOES IT. AND PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE, ARE RIGHT TO SAY… HOW DO WE MAKE OUR LIVING?>>Wendy: THAT WAS THE REACTION FROM THE BOMBARDIER STORY THIS WEEK WAS THAT TO ATTRACT TALENT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE WORLD’S BEST CEOS TO RUN THE COMMENTS.>>LOOK, I DON’T DISAGREE YOU NEED A GOOD CEO TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT WORLD CLASS TALENT. WE HAVE TO LOOK IT IS TWO WEALTHY ESTABLISHMENT FAMILIES THAT CONTROL THE COMPANY. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT IS THE KIND OF INNOVATIVE, YOU KNOW, COME START UP SORT OF THING IS GUNNING MILLENIALS TO WORK FOR BOMBARDIER. YOU KNOW IT IS A STABLEISH JOB. LAYOFF CURRENTLY NOTWITHSTANDING. IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE YOU GO INTO IT BECAUSE IT IS A LEGACY ESTABLISHMENT AND LESS OF I WILL WORK HERE BECAUSE DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE NEW COMPANY CALLED BOMBARDIER.>>IT IS ONE OF THE LEFT HATES AND THE RIGHT HATES. WHEN THEY GET INTO POWER, THEY CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE.>>I WAS STRUCK BY THE POSTER AT THE PROTEST TODAY SAYING, THE FOUNDER OF BOMBARDIER WOULD BE ASHAMED TO SEE THE KINDS OF LAYOFFS AND THE KIND OF BAILOUTS AND THE HUGE SALARY INCREASES WE SAW. YOU TALKED ABOUT RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND PEOPLE MAKING PROFIT FOR YOUR COMPANY AND THE PRESSURE, THE COMPETITION TO DO THAT. HAS SOMETHING PROFOUND CHANGED HERE? OR IS THIS JUST — >>CAN I ANSWER THAT? I THINK SOMETHING PROFOUND IS CHANGING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS STRIKING ABOUT BOMBARDIER IS THE SHARES. THE FAMILY KEEPS MAKING DECISIONS. IT IS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY. MOST VOTERS DON’T HAVE MUCH OF A VOICE. AND SNAP CHAT CAME OUT ON MARKET DOING SOMETHING THAT NO COMPANY HAD EVER DONE, BEING PUBLICLY TRADED. YOU CAN BUY A PIECE OF US. YOU CAN OWN A PIECE OF US, YOU CAN’T TELL US WHAT TO DO. NO VOTING SHARES IN THE PUBLIC MARKET. THAT CHANGES THE WAY — YOU CAN’T EVEN USE SHAREHOLDER ACTIVISM TO SAY WE DON’T LIKE THE WAY YOU ARE DOING CAPITALISM. THE ONLY RECOURSE IS THE GOVERNMENT WHO SAYS THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AND I WILL FIX IT. HOW LIKELY IS THAT?>>I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL DECISIONS OF OUR LIFETIME WAS PAUL MARTIN SAYING THAT THE BANKS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO MERGE. THEY SAID WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPETE. WE WILL BE DESTROYED IN THE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE AND THAT SINGLE DECISION SAVED THE MIDDLE CLASS OF CANADA IN A VERY — AND SAVED A LOT OF SUFFERING. I DON’T THINK WE ARE THERE WHERE WE DON’T TRUST THE BANKS. A PARLIAMENT INQUIRY IS CALLED FOR. I THINK THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR SOCIETY.>>WE TAKE A LOOK AT POLITICIANS HANDING OUT BLANK CHEQUES TO GIANT CORPORATIONS THAT WILL GIVE THEMSELVES BONUSES. SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE SAID BY THE WAY WE ARE GIVING YOU THE MONEY, YOU CAN’T USE IT TO PAY YOURSELVES.>>THAT IS GOING TO GO ON FOREVER AND HAS ALWAYS GONE ON FOREVER AND WILL ALWAYS GO ON FOREVER.>>I AGREE. WE ARE IN AN ERA THAT WILL LEAD TO WORSE CORPORATE DECISIONS BECAUSE OF THE ERA OF WHAT I CALL SLOWER GROWTH. IN THE CONTEXT, BUSINESS PRACTICE, STANDARD ISSUE BUSINESS PRACTICE WILL BE MORE RUTHLESS. THEY WILL CUT JOBS. THEY WILL RAISE PRICES. THEY WILL EAT THEIR COMPETITORS. THEY WILL DO ANYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO KEEP MARKET SHARE AND GROW MARKET SHARE. THAT IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF GROWTH WHEN YOU CANNOT SHARE MORE STUFF. PEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING MORE MONEY. THIS IS A TERRIBLE, SNAKE THAT IT IS EATING ITS ARM TALE.>>YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK THERE IS ENOUGH GROUND SWELL AND GRASS ROOT MOBILIZATION TO CHANGE THIS SORT OF THING. I THINK THE POINT THAT IS MADE UNTIL THERE IS A GOVERNMENT OR A POLITICIAN LIKE SANDERS WHO SAYS THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST YOU AND IS SOMEWHAT PALATABLE TO THE CENTER…>>Wendy: WE COULD ARGUE ABOUT THIS FOREVER. WE ARE OUT OF TIME. WE WILL SEE WHERE IT GOES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>>SOON AFTER WE RECORDED THAT DISCUSSION, WORD CAME FROM BOMBARDIER TONIGHT THAT IT WAS DEFERRING PAY FOR ITS TOP EXECUTIVES. UNTIL IT IS CLEAR THE COMPANY IS MEETING PERFORMANCE TARGETS.>>>COMING UP…>>WE LOOK AT IT AS THE PRESIDENT PERFORMING FOR AN AUDIENCE.>>Wendy: A FEATURE INTERVIEW ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S ATTACKS ON THE PRESS. WITH NEW YORK TIMES REPORTER RON NIXON. THAT IS NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL.” ♪ [“The National” theme] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [fades] [♪♪♪]>>Wendy: REMEMBER WHEN FAKE NEWS MEANT A TRASHY TABLOID AT THE GROCERY STORE CHECK OUT. IT IS NAME-CALLING. THE U.S. PRESIDENT USES TO DISMISS STORIES HE DOES NOT LIKE. HOW DO CREDIBLE JOURNALISTS RESPOND IN THE SO-CALLED POET TRUTH WORLD OF DONALD TRUMP? RON NIXON IS A WASHINGTON CORESPONDENT WITH THE “NEW YORK TIMES.” I TALK TO HIM ABOUT FAKE NEWS, ALTERNATIVE FACTS AND MORE. YOU WILL SEE OUR CONVERSATION IN A MOMENT. FIRST SOME BACKGROUND.>>President Donald Trump: IT IS A RIGGED SYSTEM AND A BIG PART OF THE RIGGING IS THE MEDIA. I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THE BIG PART OF THE RIGGING.>>Wendy: DONALD TRUMP’S WAR HAS BEEN A COLD POLITICAL TACTIC SINCE THE CAMPAIGN.>>THIS IS THE LARGEST AUDIENCE TO WITNESS THE INAUGURATION.>>YOU ARE SAYING IT IS A FALSEHOOD AND THEY ARE GIVING THE PRESS SECRETARY, GAVE ALTERNATIVE FACTS TO THAT.>>ALTERNATIVE FACTS?>>Wendy: AND KELLYANNE CONWAY DEFENDED THE CROWD CLAIM.>>A FEW DAYS AGO I CALLED THE FAKE NEWS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.>>Wendy: BY FEBRUARY, TRUMP HAD HIS PRESS SECRETARY BAR JOURNALISTS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES AND OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS FROM ATTENDING A WHITE HOUSE BRIEFING.>>YOU ARE ATTACKING OUR NEWS ORGANIZATION. CAN YOU GIVE US A CHANCE. YOU ARE ATTACKING OUR NEWS ORGANIZATION.>>Wendy: THAT LED TO AN UNPRECEDENTED DIVIDE BETWEEN THE PRESS AND THE PRESIDENT. EVEN CAUSING SOME TO QUESTION THE RELEVANCY OF TRUTH. RON NIXON IS A WASHINGTON CORESPONDENT FOR “THE NEW YORK TIMES.” I SAT DOWN WITH HIM EARLIER THIS WEEK IN TORONTO. RON, GOOD TO MEET YOU. TELL ME WHAT IT IS LIKE IN THE DAYS OF TRUMP TO BE COVERING WASHINGTON FOR “THE NEW YORK TIMES? “?>>IT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. ONE BECAUSE — YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF EXPECT THAT IN THE MORNING AROUND 6:30 OR SO, THERE WILL BE A TWEET. AND THAT SOMEHOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME COVERAGE RELATED TO THAT TWEET THE REST OF THE DAY. AND THAT’S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UNUSUAL AND YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SPENDS THAT MUCH TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA.>>Wendy: YOUR NEWSPAPER HAS BEEN CALLED THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. THE FAILING NEW YORK TIMES. WHEN YOU HAVE DINNER PARTIES I AM SURE IN WASHINGTON WITH YOUR MEDIA PALS.>>Interview: NOT TRUE. I TRY TO AVOID DINNER PARTIES. I DO MY WORK AND GO HOME.>>Wendy: WHAT DO YOU TALK ABOUT AMONG YOUR COLLEAGUES? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND HOW DO YOU FIGHT THAT?>>Interview: WE LOOK AT IT AS THE PRESIDENT PERFORMING FOR AN AUDIENCE. BECAUSE WHEN THE HEALTH CARE BILL FAILED, THE FIRST PERSON HE CALLED, THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE HE CALLED WERE A REPORTER FROM THE WASHINGTON POST AND ONE FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES. IF YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE WHY WOULD YOU DISCUSS THIS. IT IS PLAYING FOR AN AUDIENCE.>>Wendy: AN AUDIENCE THAT IS BIG, THAT GOT HIM ELECTED.>>Interview: IT IS BIG. PEOPLE DO BELIEVE IT. I MEAN — >>Wendy: HOW DO YOU SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE. YOU DON’T WANT TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE THAT THINK EXACTLY — >>Interview: YOU DON’T. TRUTH SPEAKS TO ITSELF. RIGHT. WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT FAKE NEWS, THE THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHOW WHAT IS THE TRUTH. RATHER THAN TRY TO GET INTO THIS ARGUMENT WITH PEOPLE. RIGHT. BECAUSE AND JUST SHOW IT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT — IT IS LIKE WHEN THE PRESS SECRETARY WAS SAYING, WELL, YOU CAN’T TAKE THIS LITERALLY, WHAT THE PRESIDENT TWEETED WAS IN QUOTES.>>THE PRESIDENT USED WIRETAP IN QUOTES TO MEAN BROADLY SURVEILLANCE AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.>>Interview: I HAVE PEOPLE WHO I KNOW WHO ARE FRIENDS OF MINE WHO ARE CONSERVATIVES. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS RIDICULOUS. YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT A MONOLITHIC AUDIENCE HE IS TALKING TO. PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST CRAZY OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, CRAZY TRUMP SUPPORTERS. A LOT ARE SAYING IF YOU LOOK AT POLLS, HE NEEDS TO GET OFF OF TWITTER.>>Wendy: HE IS NOT AND HIS PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS IS HOW HE REACHES THROUGH YOU GUYS TO SPEAK TO REAL AMERICANS. AND REAL AMERICANS GOT HIM ELECTED AND YOU GUYS DON’T UNDERSTAND HIM.>>Interview: SOME OF THE REAL AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF HIM TWEETING.>>Wendy: ARE THEY? YOU THINK THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE TIDE?>>Interview: I THINK THERE IS A CHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT CERTAIN THINGS, RIGHT. AND HE WAS ELECTED BECAUSE HE PROMISED CERTAIN THINGS TO FOLKS AND YOU SEE VARIOUS STORIES COMING OF PEOPLE SAYING I DIDN’T KNOW HE WOULD CUT THIS OR DO THAT.>>Wendy: THE FELLOW WHO LAUNCHED THE WHOLE PIZZAGATE IDEA THAT HILLARY CLINTON HAD A CHILD PORN RING IN A PIZZA PARLOUR, SAYS IT WAS THE MEDIA’S FAULT. I WAS MAKING STUFF UP. IT IS THE MEDIA’S FAULT. SHOULD WE IGNORE THE WHACKY STUFF?>>Interview: I DON’T THINK YOU CAN IGNORE IT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IT. A GUY DROVE UP HOURS TO COME AND INVESTIGATE HIMSELF WITH A WEAPON.>>Interview: A SHOOTING AT A PIZZA PARLOUR.>>SELF INVESTIGATE THE NOTORIOUS INTERNET CONSPIRACY THEORY KNOWN AS PIZZAGATE.>>Interview: I DON’T THINK YOU CAN IGNORE IT. WE HAVE TO SHOW WHERE THIS STUFF IS FALSE. SOME PEOPLE YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR MINDS. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO. THE MERE FACT IT IS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE IT.>>Wendy: HOW DO YOU CHANGE THAT?>>Interview: I DON’T THINK YOU CAN FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT IS ENTRENCHED.>>Wendy: DIVIDED INTO TWO CAMPS, THE PEOPLE WHO READ THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE PEOPLE…>>Interview: THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO BOTH. I WATCH FOX. YOU KNOW FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I WATCH FOX NEWS.>>Wendy: ARE PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER OR ARE PEOPLE DRIVEN APART BY THIS?>>Interview: I THINK THERE IS A VISION. I THINK THERE ARE COMMON THINGS THAT PEOPLE WILL AGREE ON. I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHAT THEY SEE IS THE PROBLEM. FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT PEOPLE HAVE LOST JOBS LIKE MANUFACTURING JOBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT IS WHO THEY BLAME FOR IT IS WHAT DIVIDES PEOPLE. RATHER THAN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, POLICIES OR AUTOMATION OR THOSE THINGS, PEOPLE WILL SAY THE MEXICANS TOOK MY JOB. THE MEXICANS DROVE UP FROM MEXICO, PUT THE PLANT ON THEIR TRUCK AND DROVE IT BACK INTO MEXICO. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. IT WAS SOMEONE IN YOUR STATE OR SOMEONE AT THAT COLONY WHO MADE THE DECISION TO DO THAT.>>Wendy: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING AFTER THE HEALTH BILL FAILED, THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN LAST FOUR YEARS, THAT IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET RID OF HIM? TO IMPEACH HIM?>>Interview: I DON’T THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT WILL BE IMPEACHED. ONE, BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WOULD IMPEACH HIM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE, WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE PARTY. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS BLACK EYE FOR THE PARTY.>>Wendy: SO EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BEEN EMBARRASSEDED AND EMBARRASSED THEIR PARTY, HE WILL STILL BE THERE?>>Interview: HE WILL BE THERE AND YOU HEAR THIS FROM REPUBLICANS. PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT LOOK, HE IS NOT THE PERFECT VESSEL. RIGHT. BUT IT IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE THINGS THAT WE WANT THROUGH. SO THEY WILL NOT JEOPARDIZE IT. THEY WILL PUT UP WITH THIS AS LONG AS THEY GET THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT. AS LONG AS THEY GET THAT SUPREME COURT JUSTICE THAT THEY WANT. CUTS IN GOVERNMENT THEY WANT.>>Wendy: ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.>>Interview: THAT’S WHAT THEY — GET RID OF REGULATIONS. THAT’S THE AGENDA.>>Wendy: SO INTERESTING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>>IF YOU ENJOYED TONIGHT’S INTERVIEW WITH NEW YORK TIMES CORESPONDENT RON NIXON, WE HAVE GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND MORE ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL. GO TO YOUTUBE.COM/CBCTHENATIONAL. YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND LET US KNOW HOW YOU THINK.>>>HOW THE NATIONAL FELL VICTIM TO FAKE NEWS.>>THE DOCUMENT READS SUBJECT QUEBEC.>>Wendy: A HOAX. AND WE FELL FOR IT. FAKE NEWS IS NOT JUST A TACTIC BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. A LOOK BACK NEXT. ♪ [“The National” theme] ♪ [Flamenco style guitar] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ends]>>I think once you’re of the mindset that we’re a country of alignment and a country of co-operation, then actually we’re in a better position to do anything is the truth of it.>>If you’re a fan of chaos, this is the place for you. [boom]>>List our medical stuff, make sure we check it.>>3 – 2 – 1. [cocks shotgun]>>That’s what we do. Announcer: Keeping Canada Safe, 9:00 Thursday on CBC. ♪ [dramatic]>>Announcer: Along 150 feet of finely pebbled ice, the path to victory is carved by granite and carbon fibre. A true test of strategy, finesse,>>Hard!>>Announcer: and intensity. Curling’s best will square off on the biggest stage. Gushue, Jacobs, Jones, Homan, and the top teams in the world. The WestJet Player’s Championship, April 15th and 16th on CBC. IS — [♪♪♪]>>IT MAY BE A TERM COINED IN THE DONALD TRUMP ERA, FAKE NEWS IS NOT EXACTLY NEW. FOR TONIGHT’S LOOK BACK, WE DUG UP AN OLD CASE OF PHONY FACTS. A STORY ABOUT A CANADIAN MAN WHO PLAYED THE MEDIA FOR DECADES. JUST FOR FUN.>>Reporter: HE IS A MONTREAL BILL COLLECTOR. THAT IS HIS JOB. HE HOLDS NEWS CONFERENCES. THAT IS HIS HOBBY. HERE HE IS THREE YEARS AGO, POSING T PRESIDENT OF A FICTIONAL GROUP CALLED WATER AID FOR AMERICA. URGING THAT CANADA SHIP THE WATER TO THE DROUGHT STRICKEN U.S. THE NATIONAL MEDIA GOBBLED IT UP.>>HERE IS THE CBC NEWS. A GROUP OF MONTREAL RESIDENTS WANTS TO PRESSURE THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT INTO DIVERTING WATER FROM THE GREAT LAKES INTO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.>>Reporter: THE FRENCH LANGUAGE NETWORK OF THE CBC BELIEVES HE WAS ALSO A NUCLEAR EXPERT. HERE HE IS TELLING A NATIONAL AUDIENCE HOW THE CHERNOBYL DISASTER COULD REIN DOWN DISASTER ON CANADA. THE DAILY NEWS HAD HIM UNDER AN ANOTHER NAME. AND ANOTHER VOCATION. IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. IN 1971, THE MONTREAL STAR THOUGHT IT HAD A SCOOP. AN INTERNAL C.I.A. MEMO OUTLINING COVERT OPERATIONS IN QUEBEC. IT MADE “THE NATIONAL” ON CBC.>>UNDER A C.I.A. LETTERHEAD, THE DOCUMENT READS, SUBJECT QUEBEC.>>Reporter: IT WAS TATRO’S WORK. HE SUCKERED THE TORONTO STAR WEEKLY. THE PHONY TERRORIST CAMP IN THE LAURENTIAN HILLS.>>I TOLD MYSELF IF THEY WANT FICTION, I WILL GIVE THEM FICTION.>>Reporter: HE SAID THERE ARE MANY OTHERS LIKE HIM. NOWADAYS, THEY ARE KNOWN AS MEDIA CONSULTANTS AND SPIN DOCTORS.>>Interview: WHOEVER HAS AN AXE TO GRIND. THEY GIVE THEIR STORY AND IT GOES OUT.>>Interview: HE IS RIGHT. GOVERNMENT, ANYBODY WHO COVERED GOVERNMENT OR FOLLOWED THINGS THEY DO, KNOW THAT ENGAGE IN THIS WHERE YOU CALL THEM DISINFORMATION, THEY DO IT FREQUENTLY.>>Reporter: IS TATRO’S CAREER OVER? PERHAPS. BUT HE SAID HE WILL CERTAINLY KEEP TRYING. GUIDED BY THE FIRM BELIEF THERE IS A REPORTER BORN EVERY MINUTE.>>Wendy: IT IS ALL SO MUCH BETTER NOW.>>>THE JUNO AWARDS WERE HELD IN OTTAWA. THE SHOW GOT A BOOST FROM VETERAN PERFORMERS OF ALL STRIPES.>>HOLD ON ONE SECOND.>>WHAT IS UP?>>Wendy: THE HOSTS OPENED FOR THE SKETCH ABOUT A PHONE CALL FROM A FRIEND.>>HURRY UP, IT IS A LIVE SHOW.>>WE ARE ON THE WAY TO THE SEATS. WE WILL BE THERE SHORTLY.>>Wendy: IT WAS NOT JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S ONLY APPEARANCE ON THE PROGRAM. THE PRIME MINISTER ALONG WITH HIS WIFE INTRODUCED A TRIBUTE TO THE LATE LEONARD COHEN. A FAMILY FRIEND OF THE TRUDEAUS AND THE WINNER OF THIS YEAR’S ALBUM OF THE YEAR.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT. FOR NEWS AT ANY HOUR, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO OUR WEBSITE, CBCNEWS.CA. I’M WENDY MESLEY. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. [♪♪♪]

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