The National for Wednesday August 9, 2017


(♪♪♪)>>Wendy: GOOD EVENING, I’M WENDY MESLEY, AND THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.”>>>A TOP U.S. OFFICIAL TRIES TO COOL NUCLEAR TENSIONS WITH NORTH KOREA BUT THEN HOTTER HEADS PREVAIL.>>>MOST OF CANADA’S HOMELESS YOUTH HAVE BEEN IN THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM. DOES ONE LEAD TO THE OTHER?>>Interview: I FELT REALLY ABANDONED, I HAD NO CLUE WHAT I WAS DOING AT ALL.>>Wendy: PLUS, A CLOSE CALL OF SCARY PROPORTIONS PUTS THE SPOTLIGHT ON PILOT FATIGUE. YOU’RE IMPAIRED, DRUNK?>>Interview: YEAH.>>Wendy: WE ASKED WHY CANADA’S RULES ARE SOME OF THE LOOSEST IN THE WORLD. (♪♪♪)>>>THE FACT THAT THERE’S BEEN NO DIRECT ACTION YET DOES NOT DOWNPLAY HOW DANGEROUS THE NUCLEAR CONSEQUENCES COULD BE. IN THE WAR OF WORDS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND NORTH KOREA, TODAY THE TENSION RAMPED UP EVEN MORE. THE U.S. PRESIDENT REITERATED HIS THREATS OF FIRE AND FURY AND TONIGHT ALMOST MATCHING TRUMP’S OWN POLITICAL STYLE, NORTH KOREA GOT PERSONAL. PAUL HUNTER HAS MORE.>>Reporter: AND SO IT WAS, THE UNSETTLING RHETORIC GOT SPECIFIC TONIGHT AFTER A DAY THOUSANDS OF NORTH KOREANS WERE TOLD THAT THE U.S. IS BRINGING THINGS TO THE VERGE OF WAR, A STATEMENT FROM NORTH KOREA ON PLANS TO ATTACK THE TINY U.S. PACIFIC ISLAND OF GUAM. LIKELY READY TO GO, IT SAYS, BY MID-AUGUST WITH FOUR ROCKETS THAT WOULD CROSS THE SKY OVER JAPAN, TARGETING THE WATERS NEAR WHAT IT CALLS ENEMY MILITARY BASES ON GUAM. THE STATEMENT CALLS TRUMP’S LATEST COMMENTS ON NORTH KOREA A, QUOTE, “LOAD OF NONSENSE FROM A GUY BERIFT OF REASON” AND THAT “”DIALOGUE IS NOT POSSIBLE.” TRUMP’S COMMENTS MADE YESTERDAY WERE RETWEETED FOR EMPHASIS BY TRUMP.>>President Donald Trump: THEY WILL BE MET WITH FIRE AND FURY, LIKE THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN.>>Reporter: A THREAT AIMED AT DETERRING NORTH KOREA FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH ITS FRESHLY REPORTED ABILITY TO FIT NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON ITS QUITE CAPABLE MISSILES. MEANWHILE, TRUMP HAD OTHER TWEETS TODAY, OMINOUSLY BOASTING ABOUT THE U.S. NUCLEAR ARSENAL, ADDING, “HOPEFULLY WE WILL NEVER HAVE TO USE THIS POWER, BUT THERE WILL NEVER BE A TIME THAT WE ARE NOT THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD.” AND THEN THERE’S THIS STATEMENT TODAY FROM TRUMP’S DENSE SECRETARY, “NORTH KOREA OUGHT TO BACK OFF ANYTHING,” SAID JIM MATTIS, “THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE END OF ITS REGIME AND THE DESTRUCTION OF ITS PEOPLE.” CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE FOR THE MOMENT — GUAM, WITH ITS 160,000 PEOPLE AND THOSE GIANT U.S. MILITARY BASES. ITS GOVERNOR TODAY EMPHASIZED WHAT HE’S HEARD FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.>>Interview: AN ATTACK OR A THREAT ON GUAM IS A THREAT OR AN ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES. THEY HAVE SAID THAT AMERICA WILL BE DEFENDED.>>Reporter: AS IT TURNS OUT GUAM WAS ALSO A REFUELING STOPOVER TODAY FOR THE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE WHO SEEMED TO DOWNPLAY ANY IMMINENT THREAT OF WAR WHILE UNDERLINING TRUMP’S REMARKS.>>Interview: IT WAS REAFFIRMING THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS THE ABILITY TO FULLY DEFEND ITSELF FROM ANY ATTACK AND DEFEND ITS ALLIES AND WE DOLL SO. SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD SLEEP WELL TONIGHT.>>Reporter: STILL, THE RHETORIC IS ESCALATING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PACIFIC AND WHILE WAR MAY INDEED NOT BE IMMINENT, IT’S CLEAR THE LANGUAGE HAS SUDDENLY WITHOUT A DOUBT TURNED FEARSOME. PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Wendy: THE NUCLEAR THREATS ARE ALSO CAUSING CONCERN BECAUSE IN SIX MONTHS ATHLETES AND TOURISTS FROM ALL OVER WILL BE IN SOUTH KOREA FOR THE WINTER OLYMPICS. THE 2018 GAMES ARE BEING HOSTED BY PYEONGCHANG. THE CITY IS ONLY 60 KILOMETRES AWAY FROM THE DEMILITARIZED ZONE FROM THE BORDER THAT SEPARATES NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA. THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE SAID THAT IT’S FOLLOWING THE SITUATION ON THE KOREAN PENINSULA VERY CLOSELY. SOUTH KOREA’S PRESIDENT MOON JAE-IN SAYS THAT “ALL NATIONS ARE VERY WELCOME, INCLUDING NORTH KOREA… WE WANT IT TO BE THE PEACE GAMES.”>>>A LITTLE LATER WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE NUCLEAR THREAT, WHAT’S BLUSTER AND WHAT’S REALISTIC ON BOTH SIDES.>>>ON THE SAME DAY AS ALL OF THAT TOUGH TALK, NORTH KOREA SAYS THAT IT RELEASED A CANADIAN PASTOR FROM PRISON. HYEON SOO LIM WAS SERVING A LIFE SENTENCE OF HARD LABOUR SINCE DECEMBER 2015 FOR ALLEGEDLY TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE REGIME. TODAY IT SAID THAT HE WAS RELEASED ON HUMANITARIAN GROUNDS. EVAN DYER HAS THE STORY.>>Interview: WELL, I WAS CRYING.>>Reporter: THE MOOD WAS ONE OF CELEBRATION AT THE LIGHT KOREAN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN MISSISSAUGA, ONTARIO, THIS MORNING WHEN PARISHONERS HEARD THAT THEIR CHIEF PASTOR, HYEON SOO LIM, WAS ON THE WAY HOME.>>Interview: WE’RE JUST SO HAPPY, YEAH. CAN’T WAIT TO SEE HIM AND, YEAH, I’LL BRING MY GUITAR AND WE’LL BE READY TO PRAISE AND HAVE WORSHIP AND I’M SURE THAT’S THE FIRST THING HE WANTS TO DO WHEN HE COMES BACK.>>Reporter: PARISHONERS SAY THAT LIM SPENT YEARS DOING HUMANITARIAN WORK IN NORTH KOREA BUT THAT THE GOVERNMENT THERE ACCUSED HIM OF TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE STATE. HE WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITH HARD LABOUR IN DECEMBER 2015, JUST A MONTH AFTER THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT CAME TO POWER.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT — ABOUT SOMEONE BEING SENTENCED TO LIFE IN NORTH KOREA AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL AND STAND UP FOR HIS RIGHTS.>>Reporter: BUT CANADA HAS NO DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN NORTH KOREA AND SO IT RELIED ON THE HELP OF THE SWEDISH EMBASSY IN PYONGYANG. THAT ULTIMATELY PAVED THE WAY FOR TRUDEAU’S NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TO TRAVEL TO THE HERMIT KINGDOM. CANADIAN MISSION ARRIVED AT A TIME OF UNPRECEDENTED TENSION WITH NORTH KOREA STAGING MASS RALLIES AGAINST THE LATEST AND TRADING THREATS WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. IT ALSO COMES SHORTLY AFTER NORTH KOREA RELEASED ANOTHER DETAINED WESTERNER, AMERICAN STUDENT OTTO WARMBIER, IN A COMA. HE DIED DAYS AFTER HIS RETURN TO THE STATES. THE RESULT, HIS FAMILY SAYS, OF BRUTAL TREATMENT IN NORTH KOREA’S PRISONS. PASTOR LIM WAS ALLOWED TO GIVE AN INTERVIEW TO WESTERN MEDIA WHILE SERVING HIS SENTENCE AND HE SAID THAT HE FOUND HARD LABOUR TOUGH BUT WAS GETTING USED TO A LIFE OF DIGGING HOLES. HE ALSO SAID THAT HE WAS BEING KEPT SEPARATE FROM OTHER PRISONERS. THIS NORTH KOREA ANALYST SAYS THAT THE REGIME MAY HAVE WANTED TO AVOID ANOTHER CASE LIKE WARMBIER’S.>>Interview: I BELIEVE THEY DON’T WANT TO HAVE CASES WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE DYING IN CUSTODY.>>Reporter: THEY ARE SAYING NOTHING ABOUT THIS CASE, AND HE IS KNOWN TO SUFFER FROM HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. LIM WAS THE ONLY CANADIAN HELD BY THE NORTH KOREAN REGIME, THREE AMERICAN-CANADIANS BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES REMAIN IN PRISON. EVAN DYER, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Wendy: AS MANY AS 50 MIGRANTS HAVE REPORTEDLY DROWNED AFTER BEING FORCED INTO THE SEA BY A SMUGGLER NEAR YEMEN’S COAST. SURVIVORS SAY THAT THE BOAT WAS CARRYING MORE THAN 120 PEOPLE FROM SOMALIA AND ETHIOPIA. THE NARROW SEA BETWEEN THE HORN OF AFRICA AND YEMEN HAS BEEN A POPULAR ROUTE FOR HUMAN SMUGS. A U.N. AGENCY SAYS THAT 55,000 HAVE MADE THAT JOURNEY SINCE JANUARY, TRYING TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO OIL RICH GULF COUNTRIES DESPITE THE ONGOING CONFLICT IN YEMEN.>>>HERE IN THIS COUNTRY THE MILITARY IS NOW HELPING DEAL WITH A HUGE INFLUX OF ASYLUM SEEKERS TO QUÉBEC. CANADIAN SOLDIERS ARE PUTTING UP TENTS NOT FAR FROM THE COUNTRY ROAD WHERE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CROSSING INTO CANADA EACH DAY. MEANWHILE, HUNDREDS STILL HAVE YET TO BE PROCESSED. THE AVERAGE WAIT IS TWO TO THREE DAYS. MANY HAVE BEEN SLEEPING ON CHAIRS AND BENCHES. THE NEW TENTS WILL OFFER COMFORTS LIKE BEDS, HEATING AND LIGHTING. THERE’S NOW 2,500 RECENT ARRIVALS SEEKING ASYLUM IN CANADA. MOST ARE ORIGINALLY FROM HAITI.>>>COMING UP… ARE CANADIAN PILOTS PUSHED TO DANGEROUS LIMITS?>>Interview: WE ONLY HAVE MAYBE THREE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE MORE LAX RULES THAN US CURRENTLY.>>Wendy: A NEAR DISASTER RAISES QUESTIONS.>>>PLUS… TWO GREAT RIGHT SHARKS LIKE TO DINE NEAR NOVA SCOTIA. BIG THINGS COULD HAPPEN IF THEY’RE MORE THAN JUST FRIENDS.>>>IT MAY NOT COME AS A SURPRISE THAT A NUMBER OF YOUNG HOMELESS PEOPLE WERE ONCE PART OF THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM, BUT WHAT MIGHT SURPRISE JUST HOW HIGH THAT NUMBER IS, ALMOST THREE OUT OF FIVE. A NEW ANALYSIS IS DIGGING INTO WHAT HAPPENS TO KIDS WHEN THEY AGE OUT OF THE SYSTEM. BONNIE ALLEN HAS MORE ON WHAT IT FOUND.>>Reporter: HAVING A PLACE TO DO HER LAUNDRY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ALICIA SHANNON TAKES FOR GRANTED. UNTIL AGE 18 SHE BOUNCED AROUND THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM.>>Interview: AT THAT POINT I HAD JUST A GRADE NINE EDUCATION AND I DEALT WITH ADDICTIONS ISSUES AND I HAD MY DAUGHTER AT 16 YEARS OLD AND I LOST HER SHORTLY AFTER THAT.>>Reporter: STILL, AS A YOUTH, THE PROVINCIAL CHILD PROTECTION SYSTEM PROVIDED FUNDING AND A SOCIAL WORKER.>>Interview: I WAS STARTING TO FINALLY GET BACK ON MY FEET AND THEN I TURNED 18, AND THEY LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE A MONTH.>>Reporter: ONCE AGAIN SHE WAS BACK ON THE STREETS, HOMELESS.>>Interview: I FELT REALLY ABANDONED. I HAD NO CLUE WHAT I WAS DOING AT ALL.>>Reporter: SHANNON’S STORY, IT TURNS OUT, IS VERY COMMON IN CANADA. HE HAS CO-AUTHORED A NEW PAN-CANADIAN STUDY. IT STARTED WITH A SURVEY LAST YEAR OF MORE THAN A THOUSAND HOMELESS YOUTH BETWEEN THE AGES OF 13 AND 24. ANALYSIS REVEALS THAT 58%, OR NEARLY THREE OUT OF EVERY FIVE, IS PART OF A CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM SUCH AS FOSTER CARE. GATES SAYS THAT THE STUDY ALSO SHOWS THAT MANY AGE OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND END UP HOMELESS.>>Interview: IF WE MAKE THE VERY DIFFICULT DECISION TO TAKE SOMEONE INTO CARE, AND ACT AS THEIR GUARDIAN, I THINK THAT WE’RE OBLIGED TO SUPPORT THEM UNTIL THEY CAN TRANSITION TO ADULTHOOD IN A SAFE AND PLANNED WAY.>>Reporter: MIKE DURAN RUNS A PROGRAM CALLED STREET CULTURE AND IT USES PRIVATE FUNDRAISING TO FILL THE GAP. NOW 19, SHANNON HAS FOUND REFUGE THERE.>>Interview: WE OFTEN ASK OURSELVES, WHAT WOULD A PARENT DO AND I THINK ABOUT MY OWN SON AND WHEN HE’S 18 HIS SERVICES ARE NOT GETTING CUT OFF.>>Reporter: GERRAND SAYS THAT WE NEED TO REFORM THE CHILD PROTECTION SYSTEM.>>Interview: WE’RE FAILING THESE KIDS.>>Interview: I DIDN’T NEED MONEY, I NEEDED SOMEBODY TO CARE ABOUT ME.>>Reporter: THE AUTHORS OF THIS NEW REPORT ARE CALLING ON ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO EXTEND SUPPORT AS NEEDED UNTIL AGE 25. BONNIE ALLEN, CBC NEWS, REGINA.>>Wendy: AN ALBERTA COURT HANDED DOWN ONE OF CANADA’S HARSHEST SENTENCES TODAY TO DEREK SARETZKY. SARETZKY WILL SERVE LIFE IN PRISON AND WON’T BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR PAROLE UNTIL HE’S 97 YEARS OLD. HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF MURDERING A TODDLER, HER FATHER, AND AN ELDERLY WOMAN YEARS AGO.>>Interview: THIS CHAPTER IS NOW CLOSED AND IT’S TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAL AND TO PUT THEMSELVES BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.>>Wendy: WHILE READING OUT HER DECISION THE JUSTICE DESCRIBED SARETZKY’S ACTIONS “AS SIMPLY ABOMINABLE.”>>>THE JUSTICE MINISTER IS CONSIDERING LOWERING THE BLOOD ALCOHOL LIMIT FOR DRIVERS. JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD SAID IN A LETTER TO HER QUÉBEC COUNTERPARTS THAT LOWERING THE LEVEL COULD COMBAT DRUNK DRIVING MORE POWERFULLY. THE CRITICS ARGUE THAT INCREASING ROAD CHECKS WOULD BE A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO PREVENT D.U.I.s.>>>CANADIANS ARE MORE OPEN THAN EVER TO LGBT PEOPLE, THAT’S ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY THAT FOUND ACCEPTANCE IS ON THE RISE. BUT IT’S NOT HAPPENING ACROSS ALL GROUPS EQUALLY. STEVEN D’SOUZA EXPLAINS. (♪♪♪)>>Reporter: IT’S BILLED AS THE FIRST PAN-CANADIAN SURVEY ON LGBT COMMUNITIES AND IT ESTIMATES THAT MORE THAN 13% OF THE POPULATION IDENTIFIED AS LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL OR TRANSGENDER, A MARKED INCREASE FROM PREVIOUS COUNTS.>>Interview: I THINK THAT WE’RE WITNESSING SOME FUNDAMENTAL SOCIAL CHANGE. SOCIETY IS CHANGING, PEOPLE ARE CHANGING, EVEN THOUGH THERE’S STILL A LOT OF PROGRESS TO BE MADE.>>Reporter: THE SURVEY DONE FOR A QUÉBEC-BASED FOUNDATION FOUND THAT 81% THINK THAT CANADIAN SOCIETY IS SHOWING A WILLINGNESS TO INTEGRATE. AND MORE THAN HALF OF THE RESPONDENTS SAID THEY WERE COMFORTABLE AROUND PEOPLE WHO WERE HOMOSEXUAL OR BISEXUAL. BUT THIS GENDER STUDIES PROFESSOR QUESTIONS JUST HOW COMFORTABLE THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE.>>Reporter: IF YOU ORGANIZE YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FAMILY SITUATION IN WAYS THAT DEPART FROM MAINSTREAM NORMS, YOU’RE FAR MORE LIKELY TO BE SUBJECT TO RACISM, TO HOMOPHOBIA AND TO TRANSPHOBIA.>>Reporter: IN FACT, THE SURVEY FOUND THAT ONLY A QUARTER OF THE TRANSGENDER RESPONDENTS SAY THEY FEEL ACCEPT. IT’S SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T SURPRISE LONG-TIME ACTIVIST NIKKI WARD. HE SAYS THAT THE COMMUNITY ROUTINELY FEELS DISCRIMINATED WITH.>>Interview: I DON’T FEEL THAT WE’RE SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS, WE ARE. AND WE HAVE LESS ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE AND LESS ACCESS TO HOUSING AND LESS ACCESS TO EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICE.>>Reporter: SHE POINTS OUT THAT BILL C-16 WHICH PROTECTS IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS CODE PASSED LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AGO.>>Interview: WE’RE STILL NEW CITIZENS WITH RIGHTS HERE IN CANADA SO IT’S NOT A SURPRISE AT ALL THAT WE’RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.>>Reporter: SHE SAYS THAT MANY TRANS-PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO COME OUT AND POP FIGURES LIKE LAVERNE COX AND CAITLYN JENNER ARE HELPING TO RAISE AWARENESS. WHILE SOCIETY IS PROGRESSING THERE’S STILL WORK TO BE DONE WITHIN THE LGBT COMMUNITIES. 78% SAID THEY FELT THAT LGBT GROUPS STEREOTYPED EACH OTHER. STEVEN D’SOUZA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Wendy: THREE TORONTO POLICE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN FOUND NOT GUILTY OF SEXUALLY ASSAULTING A COLLEAGUE. THE COMPLAINTANT, A FEMALE PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, TESTIFIED THAT SHE WAS TOO INTOXICATED TO FIGHT OFF THEIR ADVANCES. THE JUDGE RULED THAT HER TESTIMONY WAS INCONSISTENT AND UNRELIABLE. AS CHRIS GLOVER REPORTS, THIS CASE ONCE AGAIN PUTS CONSENT UNDER THE INFLUENCE UNDER THE MICROSCOPE.>>Reporter: FREE OF THE CHARGES BUT NOT THE SPOTLIGHT, TORONTO POLICE OFFICER JOSHUA CABERO LEFT THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR WHILE HIS TWO CO-ACCUSED. LESLIE NYZNIK AND SAMEER KARA TOOK AN ALTER AT IN ENTRANCE.>>Interview: HE LOOKS FORWARD TO GETTING HIS LIFE BACK AS DOES HIS FAMILY.>>Reporter: LIKE MANY SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES THIS ONE HUNG ON CONSENT. WAS THE SEX IN THIS TORONTO HOTEL ROOM 2 1/2 YEARS AGO AFTER A NIGHT OF DRINKING AND PARTYING CONSENSUAL?>>Interview: AS HER HONOUR STATED THIS CASE WAS REALLY ONLY EVER ABOUT THE RELIABILITY OF THE COMPLAINTANT’S NARRATIVES.>>Reporter: THE COMPLAINTANT, A 36-YEAR-OLD PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WHOSE NAME REMAINS UNDER A PUBLICATION BAN, SAYS THAT SHE WAS TOO INTOXICATED THAT NIGHT TO GIVE CONSENT. BUT THE JUDGE IN A LENGTHY DECISION SAID THAT HER TESTIMONY WAS INCONSISTENT, AND SOME PARTS SIMPLY UNTRUE. POINTING TO THINGS LIKE THE TOXOLOGY REPORT THAT DIDN’T SUPPORT HER CLAIM. SOME TESTIMONY FROM THE ACCUSED DID NOT ADD UP TO THE JUDGE EITHER, BUT THE BURDEN IS ON THE CROWN TO PROVE THAT SHE DIDN’T CONSENT.>>Interview: IT’S NOT THAT I FIND HIM MORE CREDIBLE THAN HER, THE JUDGE SIDE, BUT GIVEN THE FRAILTIES IN HER TESTIMONY… IT WAS NOT DEFINED AS CONSENT.>>Interview: WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETHING IS CLEARLY NOT CONSENT AND WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETHING CLEARLY IS CONSENT BUT THEN IN THE MIDDLE AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE LINE IT COULD BE HARDER TO DETERMINE.>>Reporter: AS IN MANY SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES EVEN THE CLOTHING PAINTED BY THE DEFENCE AS “TOO REVEALING” WAS SOMETHING USED AGAINST HER.>>Interview: SOMETIMES IT HAS A CHILLING EFFECT BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT SOMETIMES EMPOWERS WOMEN AND HAS THEM TO BE MORE DETERMINED TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM.>>Reporter: BUT SHE SAID THAT REPRESENTS JUST A FRACTION OF THE OVERALL CASES. LEGAL EXPERTS AGREE THAT FOR MANY WOULD BE SEX ASSAULT CLAIMANTS THE DIFFICULTIES IN SEEKING JUSTICE MEAN THAT MANY CASES NEVER SEE A COURTROOM. CHRIS GLOVER, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Wendy: FRIENDS AND FAMILY CAME OUT TO HONOUR THE LIFE OF THE FOUNDER OF THE GILLER PRIZE WHO DIED SUNDAY.>>Interview: IF YOU WON THE GILLER YOU HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING A LIVING. BEFORE THE ADVENT OF THE GILLER THERE WAS NO GLAMOUR THERE, THERE WAS ASPIRATION BUT THERE WAS NO FOCUS, THERE WAS NO BUZZ. THAT’S WHAT HE DID BY CREATING THE PRIZE.>>Wendy: ALONG WITH CHAMPIONING CANADIAN LITERATURE, RUBINOFF ALSO SUPPORTED THE PRINCESS MARGARET HOSPITAL AND WAS A RECIPIENT OF THE ORDER OF CANADA. FRIENDS RECALLED THE PHILANTROPIST AS A CURIOUS AND CARING PERSON.>>>IN WHAT’S BEING SEEN AS A BIG HIT TO NETFLIX, DISNEY HAS ANNOUNCED PLANS TO PULL ITS CONTENT FROM THE STREAMING SERVICE. TITLES LIKE UTOPIA” AND “FROZEN” WILL FIND A NEW HOME ON A STREAMING SERVICE THAT DISNEY PLANS TO BUILD IN 2019. BUT SINCE THAT SERVICE STARTS IN THE U.S. ONLY IT’S NOT CLEAR IF THE TITLES WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST ON NETFLIX CANADA.>>>STRAIGHT AHEAD… PILOTS TELL US WHY CANADA’S FLIGHT RULES COULD MAKE FOR SCARY [CBC News theme] Have I got
a panel for you. Five award-winning journalists,
many in the areas of investigative journalism. They’re known for
their great reporting. I’ve had
some threats. It’s reality. There are people out there who
will write you nasty things. In 2002 I think we did a gang
documentary and leading up to it I think I had
eight written death threats. I think gang leaders in
Vancouver thought we were name them
and out them, and we don’t do
the work of the police. And we took some
pretty extreme cautions. I have special glass on my
backdoor thanks to the CBC. And you can’t
find me easily. You really protect your children and your name
because sometimes you never know who you’re going
to tick off. And we’ve done stories about
organized crime, we’ve done stories about terror suspects
for example. And when I talk to new
journalists that who we mentor I often say, “Be really careful
about exposing your
children and your family and being easy to
find physically because there are people out
there who can be dangerous. I have relationships
with my stories. And I know that sounds strange
but I almost– There have been times when I
have come home from something awful where I can still smell
the iron of blood and it doesn’t leave
my nose for a while. And I walk down the street
and I sometimes feel like my stories are constantly
tapping me on the shoulder. And I sort of have this little
ritual with them where I let them do this for a
while and then at some point I have caught myself
standing in the street and saying, “Oh, oh,
enough, enough. You’ve had your time,
enough. You stay here,
I’m going to keep going.” Very early in my career,
I think I was 25, I certainly didn’t look like
I knew what I was doing, and I’m not really
sure that I did, but I remember
interviewing someone and I was about to
put something in front of him and accuse him
of something. I was actually sort of
far more nervous than I ever wanted
to give up, but he thought
I was just adorable. And I remember him actually
trying to charm me by speaking
a little French. And I was actually so annoyed,
at that point, that he clearly thought
I was no threat at all, that I stopped shaking,
I stopped being nervous. And that might have been one
of my finest moments ever. I remember it
25 years later. So, sometimes it’s frustrating
for all the same reasons that women in
every profession have expressed their
frustrations but every now and then
it works for you and those are good. [CBC News theme]>>Interview: PILOTS ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT A FATIGUE ISSUE AND WE HAVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS BECAUSE CANADA HAS ONE OF THE MOST LAX RULES IN THE WORLD AM.>>Wendy: IT’S BEEN ABOUT A MONTH SINCE CATASTROPHE WAS NARROWLY AVOIDED AT SAN FRANCISCO’S BIG AIRPORT. MORE THAN A THOUSAND LIVES WERE ON THE LINE AS AN AIR CANADA JET APPROACHED AND MISTAKENLY CLOSED IN ON A TAXIWAY WHERE FOUR OTHER PLANES WERE READY TO TAKE OFF. IT WAS A STUNNING CLOSE CALL, POTENTIALLY THE WORLD’S WORST AVIATION DISASTER. THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING SO WE DON’T KNOW THE CAUSE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT CANADIAN PILOTS HAVE LONG BEEN FOCUSED ON THE ISSUE OF FATIGUE. NOW THE QUESTIONS RING LOUDER THAN EVER. ARE THEY BEING PUSHED TO DANGEROUS LIMITS? (♪♪♪)>>Interview: TOWER, JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THIS IS AIR CANADA 759, I SEE SOME LIGHTS ON THE RUNWAY THERE, CAN YOU CIRM WE’RE CLEAR TO LAND.>>AIR CANADA 659, CLEAR TO LAND RUN WAY 28 RIGHT THERE, THERE’S NO ONE THERE.>>WHERE IS THIS GUY GOING? HE’S ON THE TAXZYWAY.>>AIR CANADA FLEW DIRECTLY OVER US.>>A NEAR DISASTER COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST AVIATION INCIDENTS IN RECENT HISTORY.>>IT WAS, IN FACT, A VERY CLOSE CALL AND FOUR OTHER PASSENGER JETS LOADED WITH PASSENGERS –>>THEIR LEO MISSED CRASHING INTO SEVERAL PLANES.>>Interview: ONCE YOU GET FIXATED ON SOMETHING LIKE A TAXIWAY AND THINKING THAT IT’S A RUNWAY, IT CAN BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND’S EYE.>>Wendy: NOW WE’VE LEARNED MORE FROM U.S. INVESTIGATORS ABOUT JUST HOW CLOSE THAT PLANE CAME TO DISASTER. THE U.S. NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD SAID THAT IT WAS ONLY 56 FEET FROM THE GROUND WHEN IT VEERED AWAY.>>Interview: THESE PLANES CAME WITHIN ONE WINGSPAN OF EACH OTHER.>>Wendy: IF YOU CRUNCH THE NUMBERS IT WAS 11 SECONDS AWAY FROM HITTING A PLANE.>>Interview: YES, THAT IS TRUE, THAT’S PROBABLY IN THAT TIME –>>Wendy: IF HE HAD KEPT GOING.>>Interview: IF HE HAD KEPT GOING AND YOUR RATE OF SPEED –>>Wendy: 11 SECONDS.>>Interview: IT’S CLOSE.>>Wendy: WITH AN ESTIMATED A THOUSAND LIVES AT STAKE AND THE FIVE PLANES INVOLVED IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE WORST ACCIDENT IN AVIATION HISTORY. THE PILOTS WERE EXPERIENCED WITH THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF FLYING. BUT MANY CANADIAN PILOTS ARGUE THAT FATIGUE COULD HELP EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.>>Interview: SO THERE ARE SOME CLUES THAT THERE’S CONFUSION. AND WHEN YOU START BRINGING SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, CONFUSION, NOT SEEING YOUR MENTAL MODEL OR A CONFIRMATION BIAS, THOSE ARE ALL EFFECTS OF BEING FATIGUED.>>Wendy: HE IS A CAPTAIN WITH A MAJOR CANADIAN CARRIER AND HELPS TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS WITH CANADA’S TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD. HE SAYS THAT ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS INVESTIGATORS CONSIDER WHEN EXAMINING FATIGUE IS SOMETHING CALLED “THE CIRCADIAN RHYTHM.”>>Interview: YOUR CIRCADIAN RHYTHM IS WHEN YOUR NORMAL HOURS OF WAKEFULNESS AND SLEEP, RIGHT. SO THE CHART HERE SHOWS THAT FROM MIDNIGHT TO ABOUT 4:00 IN THE MORNING THAT IS YOUR PEAK TIME OF BEING DROWSY.>>Wendy: THAT’S LIKE THE PLANE LANDED AT ABOUT 3:00 a.m. TORONTO TIME.>>Interview: YES.>>Wendy: SO THAT WOULD BE WHEN THEY WERE MOST –>>Interview: THEY WOULD BE IN THEIR PEAK STATE OF FATIGUE.>>Wendy: HE CAN’T SPECULATE ON WHAT HAPPENED IN SAN FRANCISCO BUT SAYS THAT FATIGUE FROM THE HOURS THAT CANADIAN PILOTS ARE EXPECTED TO FLY HAS BEEN A SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERN FOR A LONG TIME.>>Interview: IT CAN VARY FROM MAKING AN INAPPROPRIATE DECISION, SELECTING A WRONG LEVER, SWITCH, IT CAN GIVE YOU A FALSE SENSE OF WHERE YOU ARE IN SPACE. IT CAN LEAD TO EMOTIONAL DISTRACTIONS, YOUR MOOD WORSENS AND YOUR ATTENTIVENESS IS DECREASED, YOUR TIME ON TASK ON A JOB LENGTHENS. IT’S EQUIVALENT TO HAVING A BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT OF .012 OR WHATEVER, AND THAT WAS TRUE –>>Wendy: LIKE YOU’RE IMPAIRED?>>Interview: IT IS.>>Wendy: YOU’RE DRUNK.>>Interview: AND THE DOCUMENTATION IS OUT THERE THAT YOUR TIME OF WAKEFULNESS IN COMPARISON TO ALCOHOL IMPAIRMENT SO IN CANADA WE CAN HAVE A PILOT THAT IS UP FOR 20 HOURS AND IT’S LEGAL AND HE’LL BE PERFORMING AT AN IMPAIRMENT LEVEL AS IF HE WAS WELL OVER THE LEVEL LIMIT OF .08.>>Wendy: CHANGE CAME IN OTHER COUNTRIES AFTER THIS CRASH IN BUFFALO, NEW YORK, IN 2009. AN INVESTIGATION FOUND ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES WAS LIKELY PILOT FATIGUE.>>Interview: WE WANT TO HONOUR OUR LOVED ONES, BUT WE MARCHED, WE MARCHED FOR AVIATION SAFETY.>>Wendy: THE BUFFALO CRASH WAS A CALL TO ACTION. FAMILIES OF THE DEAD LOBBIED THE U.S. CONGRESS TO CHANGE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE STRESS ON PILOTS AND IT WORKED.>>THE YEAS ARE 93, AND THE NAYS ARE 0. THE BILL AS AMENDED IS PASSED.>>Interview: WE KNOW THAT SINCE THE ACCIDENT –>>Wendy: IN BUFFALO, YEAH.>>Interview: THE AMERICANS HAVE ADJUSTED THEIR RULES. THE EUROPEAN AVIATION ORGINISATION, YAFA ADMINISTRATION, HAVE ADJUSTED THEIR RULES AND AUSTRALIA ADJUSTED THEIRS AND INDIA ADJUSTED THEIRS AND WE CAN’T DO IT.>>Wendy: CANADA ALLOWS PILOTS TO FLY UP TO 14 HOURS, ONE OF THE LONGEST DUTY CALLS IN THE WORLD FOR A TWO-CREW OPERATION. ELSEWHERE THE MAXIMUM IS FROM 9 TO 13 HOURS. NASA RECOMMENDS THAT PILOTS FLY NO LONGER THAN 8.5. HE SAYS THAT CANADA’S RULES DON’T MEET THE INTERNATIONAL AVIATION GUIDELINES EITHER, PARTICULARLY FOR LONG HAUL FLIGHTS.>>Interview: UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS I COULD GET UP AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING, MY NORMAL WAKE-UP TIME, RIGHT, IF IT IS. AND I COULD BE ON RESERVE ALL DAY LONG AND GET CALLED AT 9:00 AT NIGHT SO I HAVE BEEN UP ALREADY FOR 11 HOURS TO DO A LONG HAUL FLIGHT OVER TO FRANKFURT, RIGHT. SO NOW MY TIME OF WAKEFULNESS IS 24 PLUS HOURS AND THAT’S LEGAL IN CANADA.>>Interview: FATIGUE IS REAL AND THE NEW RULES SHOULD BE BASED ON SCIENCE.>>Wendy: THEY’RE NOT NOW?>>Interview: THEY ARE NOT BASED ON SCIENCE.>>Wendy: HE’S THE CANADIAN HEAD OF THE AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, ONE OF THE GROUPS PETITIONING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR SAFER SKIES.>>Interview: TO LET THE MINISTER KNOW THAT IT’S A SERIOUS ISSUE AND THEY SHOULD ACT ON THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.>>Wendy: 6,400 PEOPLE, MANY OF THEM PILOTS, HAVE SIGNED A PETITION TELLING THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT THAT CANADA’S RULES ON PILOT FATIGUE ARE 20 YEARS OUT OF DATE.>>Interview: WE HAVE TO BE THERE…>>Wendy: MARC GARNEAU HAD INTRODUCED LONG-AWAITED MODIFICATIONS THIS PAST JUNE.>>Interview: SAFETY HAS ALWAYS BEEN CRITICAL SO I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE AND PART OF THAT IS NOT ONLY THAT THE PILOT IS FIT TO FLY BUT THAT THE SUPPORT SYSTEMS ARE THERE FOR THAT PILOT.>>Wendy: HE SAYS THAT IT’S AN IMPROVEMENT BUT –>>Interview: THEY PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL WHICH WE COULD LIVE WITH INITIALLY BUT BECAUSE OF A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM THE OPERATORS OR THE AIRLINES, BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO COST THEM TOO MUCH MONEY AND THEY’D HAVE TO HIRE MORE PILOTS, TRANSPORT CANADA HAS BACKED DOWN AND THEY’VE WATERED DOWN THESE RULES AND NOW THE NEW RULES, IF THEY’RE ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD, WILL KEEP US IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.>>Wendy: THE FLIGHT HOURS WILL BE SHORTENED BUT IT’S NOT THAT SIMPLE.>>Interview: IT’S A VERY COMPLEX RULE, SO WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE DUTY PERIOD, THE TIME THAT YOU START YOUR DAY WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR OR SO BEFORE YOUR FIRST FLIGHT AND ENDS WHEN THE AIRCRAFT STOPS AT THE GATE ON YOUR FINAL FLIGHT AND THERE’S FLIGHT TIME LIMITATIONS AS WELL. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, CANADA’S NEW PROPOSAL GOING FORWARD WE’LL BE LIMITED TO 112 HOURS IN 28 DAYS. THE U.S., THEY’RE LIMITED TO 100 HOURS AND THERE’S A HANDFUL OF COUNTRIES THAT LIMIT PILOTS TO 90 HOURS IN 28 DAYS SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE CANADA IS LAX IN THAT AREA AS WELL.>>Wendy: HE SAYS THAT’S NOT ALL — THAT AIRLINES CAN APPROVE SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS FOR PILOTS TO FLY LONGER HOURS WHEN THEY WANT THEM TO. SO THE BOTTOM LINE YOUR CONCERN IS WHAT?>>Interview: WELL, THERE’S AIRLINES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE VERY GOOD AIRLINES THAT WILL DO A VERY GOOD JOB AT THAT AND ARE GENUINELY CONCERNED FOR SAFETY AND THERE’S OTHER AIRLINES OUT THERE THAT ECONOMICS ARE MORE IMPORTANT.>>Wendy: THE INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED IN SAN FRANCISCO IS EXPECTED TO TAKE AT LEAST A YEAR. BUT WE’VE NOW LEARNED THAT THE INVESTIGATORS HAVE FOUND TWO OTHER THINGS OF INTEREST. IT TOOK TWO DAYS FOR THE INCIDENT TO BE REPORTED. AND THE COCKPIT RECORDINGS THAT WOULD HAVE REVEALED THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PILOTS HAD BEEN RECORDED OVER BY THE NEW FLIGHT CREW THE NEXT MORNING.>>Interview: THE MAJORITY OF PILOTS KNOW THAT IF THEY’RE INVOLVED IN AN EVENT OR A CLOSE CALL YOU PULL THE CIRCUIT BREAKER ON THE COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER AND IT STOPS IT FROM BEING RECORDED. BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU’RE –>>Wendy: FROM BEING RECORDED OVER.>>Interview: YES, FROM BEING RECORDED OVER OR IT’S PULLED BY THE NTSB IN SAN FRANCISCO OR WHEREVER YOU ARE AROUND THE WORLD.>>Wendy: BUT THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN HERE?>>Interview: NO, IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.>>Wendy: SO WILL THIS INCIDENT, THIS INVESTIGATION, DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL LEAD TO REAL CHANGE, HOW SIGNIFICANT COULD THIS BE?>>Interview: WELL, I THINK THAT IT WILL CHANGE. IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCIDENT. BUT THE WAY THAT SAFETY WORKS IS THAT I SHOULDN’T WAIT FOR AN EVENT IN MY BACKYARD BEFORE I CHANGE MY RULES.>>Wendy: WELL, THE CRASH IN BUFFALO, THE AMERICANS CHANGED THEIRS AND THE REST OF THE RULE CHANGED THEIR RULES.>>Interview: THAT’S A QUESTION THAT YOU’D HAVE TO ASK THE MINISTER.>>Wendy: WHY IS CANADA SO FAR BEHIND?>>Interview: YES, YEAH.>>Wendy: WELL, WE DID ASK TRANSPORT CANADA TO COMMENT ON THE PILOT’S ASSERTIONS THAT CANADA’S RULES ARE 20 YEARS OUT OF DATE AND THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS DON’T LINE UP WITH THE SCIENCE. THE RESPONSE IN PART, “TRANSPORT CANADA IS PROPOSING TO IMPROVE AIR SAFETY WITH CHANGES TO FLIGHT CREW FATIGUE-MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS. THE NEW RULES AIM TO REDUCE FLIGHT CREW MEMBER FATIGUE AND ALIGN WITH TODAY’S SCIENTIFIC DATA, INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS AND BEST PRACTICES.”>>>COMING UP… GREAT WHITE SHARKS COME TO NOVA SCOTIA WATERS.>>>BUT THIS IS NOT A SCENE FROM “JAWS.” IT’S MORE LIKE WHEN “HARRY MET SALLY.”>>>FIRST, NORTH KOREA THREATENS TO PROVOKE LIKE NEVER BEFORE AND WE ASK HOW THIS CAN POSSIBLY END WELL.>>>LET’S CHECK THE DAY’S BUSINESS NUMBERS, THE T.S.X. EDGED DOWN 39 POINTS. THE DOLLAR LOST 2/10th OF A CENT. IN NEW YORK, THE DOW LOST 36 POINTS. AND THE PRICE OF OIL INCREASED .39 CENTS AARREL. (♪♪♪)>>Wendy: HI, SO WE ARE IN A BREAK, A COMMERCIAL BREAK, BUT WE WANT TO YOU STAY WITH US SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME HAVE STARTED TO COME IN SO I HAVE PUT MY GRASSES ON FOR THIS. SO IT WILL TAKE ME A MOMENT BUT I HAVE ONE. THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I FOUND INTERESTING WAS — IT’S FROM PAUL BUTTLE, WHAT ARE YOU BEST AT, REPORTING OR INTERVIEWING OR RESEARCH? I WAS A REPORTER FOR A LONG TIME AND BACK A THOUSAND YEARS AGO WHEN THEY DIDN’T HAVE VERY MANY WOMEN ANCHORS THEY TRIED TO GET ME TO BE A CHILD ANCHOR AND I SAID, NO, I WANT TO STAY REPORTING AND I LOVE REPORTING. SO I DID THAT FOR A LONG TIME AND I HAVE COME TO LOVE ANCHORING AND RESEARCH AND I WORKED ON INVESTIGATIVE SHOWS “MARKETPLACE” AND RESEARCH WAS CRUCIAL THERE. AND LATELY I HAVE DONE A LOT MORE INTERVIEWS FOR THE SUNDAY SHOW AND THAT’S FASCINATING. NOT JUST ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT CELEBRITIES TOO. AND CHRISTOPHER TYNDALL ASKS, WINDY, IF YOU COULD INTERVIEW ONE FAMOUS CANADIAN FROM HISTORY, WHO WOULD THAT BE AND WHAT WOULD YOU ASK? ONE FAMOUS CANADIAN… UM… PIERRE TRUDEAU WAS A FASCINATING GUY AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE INTERVIEWED HIM AND I WAS A POLITICAL REPORTER BASED ON THE HILL AND IN QUÉBEC CITY AND COVERING THE LEGISLATURE THERE AND I GOT TO INTERVIEW A LOT OF FASCINATING POLITICIANS LIKE LEVESQUE BUT PIERRE TRUDEAU, THERE WAS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT HIM, WELL, HE WAS SOMETHING LINE RENE LEVESQUE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU GOT A SENSE THAT HE DIDN’T CARE WHAT THE REPORTERS THOUGHT AND DIDN’T CARE WHAT HIS ADVISORS THOUGHT SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUN TO INTERVIEW HIM BUT HE WAS A BIT BEFORE MY TIME SO I NEVER HAD A CHANCE. AND ANOTHER ONE HERE, MARTY BURTON ASKS, WENDY, I HAVE APPRECIATED YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO “THE NATIONAL.” CAN YOU COMMENT ON YOUR PLANS AFTER NOVEMBER 2017? SO YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT “THE NATIONAL” IS GOING TO CHANGE IN NOVEMBER AND THAT THERE’S GOING TO BE THE — THAT PETER MANSBRIDGE HAS LEFT AND HE’S TAKEN RETIREMENT AND THERE’S FOUR NEW HOSTS AND I’M NOT ONE OF THEM. I MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE BUT I NEVER GOT THERE BECAUSE SOMETHING CAME ALONG THAT FELT LIKE A BETTER FIT FOR ME. I AM GOING TO DO A SHOW CALLED “UNDERCURRENTS” ABOUT MEDIA AND TECHNOLOGY AND I WAS A POLITICAL REPORTER FOR A LONG TIME AND I LOVE POLITICS AND I LOVE MEDIA AND I LOVE TECHNOLOGY AND SO THIS I’M GOING TO DO A NEW SHOW ON SUNDAYS STARTING IN JANUARY. AND IT DOESN’T HAVE A NAME YET AND DOESN’T HAVE MANY PEOPLE WORKING ON IT YET BUT IT’S IN JANUARY SO WE’LL FIGURE IT OUT AND IT WILL BE SUNDAY MORNING AND IT WILL COVER — IT WON’T BE LIKE “MEET THE PRESS” OR THOSE AMERICAN SUNDAY MORNING SHOWS IN THE SENSE, IT WILL BE STRICTLY BE POLITICAL AND WE’LL LOOK AT ISSUES THAT THE INTERSECTION OF MEDIA AND POLITICS AND TECHNOLOGY, SO I GAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES WHEN THE SHOW WAS ANNOUNCED AND LOOK HOW TINDR IS GETTING PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE AND WALMART IS USING FACIAL RECOGNITION TO READ PEOPLE’S MIND WHEN’S THEY’RE IN THE STORE BUT WE COVER THE BIG POLITICAL STORIES OF THE DAY AND A LOT TO COVER, OBVIOUSLY, WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE WHITE HOUSE THESE DAYS AND MAYBE THIS WEEK WE WOULD LOOK AT NORTH KOREA AND THE PROPAGANDA THAT IS USED BY THEM AND HOW THE MEDIA IS SWEPT UP IN THAT. SO THAT’S SOMETHING THAT I’LL DO IN NOVEMBER BUT STILL WITH “THE NATIONAL” FOR QUITE A WHILE AND DOING PETER’S OLD SHIFT, MONDAY-THURSDAY AND JUST KEEPING MY EYE ON THE CLOCK. IN SEPTEMBER AND IN OCTOBER. UNTIL THE NEW TEAM TAKES OVER. LET’S SEE, I HAVE I THINK — I HAVE A COUPLE NEW QUESTIONS. GARY ASKS, WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE PART OF YOUR JOB? UM, I MIGHT HAVE A SHORT ATTENTION SPAN. BUT I LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN SERIOUS ISSUES. SO BEING A JOURNALIST, THE BEST PART HAS BEEN — I HAVE A LOT OF CURIOSITY BUT NOT A LOT OF DISCIPLINE TO PAYING ATTENTION TO ONE THING FOREVER SO THAT’S BEEN THE BEST PART. AND I’M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. SO WE’VE GOT TO GO, THO, THANK O MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.>>President Donald Trump: NORTH KOREA BEST NOT MAKE ANYMORE THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES. THEY WILL BE MET WITH FIRE AND FURY LIKE THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN. (♪♪♪)>>Wendy: FIRE AND FURY, TWO WORDS THAT HAVE IGNITED A DIPLOMATIC FIRESTORM AND HEARD AROUND THE WORLD. SINCE DONALD TRUMP SAID THAT A LOT HAS HAPPENED. PYONGYANG THREATENED TO UNLEASH ITS NUCLEAR ARSENAL ON THE TINY U.S.-HELD PACIFIC ISLAND OF GUAM. THE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE REX TILLERSON TRIED TO DOWNPLAY TRUMP’S COMMENTS BUT THEN JAMES MATTIS RAMPED UP THE RHETORIC ONCE AGAIN TODAY, WARNING NORTH KOREA AGAINST ACTION THAT WOULD LEAD TO, QUOTE, “DESTRUCTION OF ITS PEOPLE” AND TONIGHT NORTH KOREA CALLED TRUMP A GUY BEREFT OF REASON. SO THE STANDOFF IS A CRISIS THAT AT WORSE THREATENS NUCLEAR WAR. BUT LET’S TALK TO A COUPLE OF EXPERTS ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT SHAKE DOWN. AN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST IN NEW YORK IS JOINING US AND DAVID SCMURLER WITH A FOCUS ON NUCLEAR NON PROLIFERATION IN CALIFORNIA. SO THE DAY BEGAN WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE SEEMINGLY TRYING TO CALM THINGS SOMEWHAT BUT NOW WE HAVE MORE RHETORIC FROM MATTIS AND MORE RHETORIC FROM NORTH KOREA, THREATENING ANOTHER TEST. WHAT’S YOUR READ? HOW SERIOUS IS THIS?>>Interview: ABSOLUTELY, I THINK THAT THE LATEST STATEMENT TO COME OUT OF NORTH KOREA IS CONCERNING. AND IT WAS LAST IN 1998 THAT NORTH KOREA DECIDED TO OVERFLY JAPAN WITH A ROCKET THAT WASN’T EVEN A BALLISTIC MISSILE. AND THE STATEMENT THEY RELEASED SUGGEST THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERING CARRYING OUT A BALLISTIC MISSILE TEST POTENTIALLY INVOLVING FOUR BALLISTIC MISSILES WITH THE TRAJECTORY TO HAVE THOSE MISSILES LANDING NEAR GUAM. THEY COULD POTENTIALLY LAND WITHIN THE UNITED STATES IN THE ECONOMIC JOAN AND THE UNITED STATES MIGHT HAVE TO ATTEMPT TO SHOOT THESE MISSILES DOWN USING ITS SM-3 INTERCEPTORS IN THE SEA OF JAPAN. IF THAT FAILS THAT INTRODUCES COMPLICATIONS FOR ALLIANCE REASSURANCE AND FOR CREDIBILITY OF THE U.S. BALLISTIC MISSILE DEFENCE. SO I THINK THAT OVERALL THIS IS QUITE A CONCERNING AND ESESCALATING SIGNAL FROM NORTH KOREA.>>Wendy: HOW DO YOU READ THIS, DAVID?>>Interview: IF THE NORTH KOREANS HAD A LAUNCH OF FOUR INTERMEDIATE RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES AND LANDING TENS OF MILES AWAY FROM GUAM THIS IS THE MOST PROVOCATIVE ACT THEY HAVE EVER DONE.>>Wendy: WHAT IS THE UNITED STATES EXPECTING?>>Interview: THAT’S WHERE WE RUN INTO A RISK AND DEPENDING HOW CLOSE THEY GET TO ACTUALLY HITTING GUAM, YOU RUN THE RISK OF THE UNITED STATES MISINTERPRETING THE TEST AND IF THIS IS ACTUALLY A TEST THIS MIGHT BE NORTH KOREA’S NOTICE TO THE UNITED STATES THAT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY STRIKE BUT, IN FACT, CARRY OUT, AGAIN, THE MOST PROVOCATIVE ACT THEY HAVE EVER DONE.>>Wendy: THIS ROUND BEGAN WITH TRUMP TALKING ABOUT FIRE AND FURY, IF THERE WERE ANYMORE THREATS FROM NORTH KOREA AND BEFORE IT WAS KIM JONG-un WHO WAS CONSIDERED RECKLESS WITH HIS WORDS. IS HE HOPING — NOT HOPING — BUT PREPARED FOR A NUCLEAR WAR HERE?>>Interview: THE WORDS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CERTAINLY MATTERS, CERTAINLY WHEN IT COMES TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS. AND THERE’S A DOCTRINE BUT IT’S INCREDIBLY RARE THAT THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT WOULD THREATEN FIRST USE AGAINST ANOTHER COUNTRY. IT’S NOT UNUSUAL THAT THE U.S. WOULD THREATEN TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS AGAINST NORTH KOREA BUT PREVIOUS STATEMENTS, INCLUDING DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND DURING JIM MATTIS’ STATEMENT EARLIER TODAY, INDICATED THAT THE UNITED STATES WOULD ONLY USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IF THEY INITIATED A CONFLICT. BUT TRUMP’S WORDS SAID FIRE AND FURY WHICH COULD MEAN NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO KIM JONG-un’S EARS, AND SO THAT’S INCREDIBLY DESTABILIZING AND IF THAT STICKS AS POLICY THAT’S A SERIOUS CHANGE.>>Wendy: SO HOW WOULD THIS BE READ BY KIM JONG-un, DO YOU THINK, DAVID?>>Interview: WELL, DEPENDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY CARRY OUT THIS TEST, TRUMP’S RHETORIC MIGHT ACTUALLY BE CAUSING OR AT LEAST MAKING THE NORTH KOREANS CONSIDER MUCH MORE PROVOCATIVE TESTS SO THEY’RE TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY.>>Wendy: YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT KIM JONG-un WANTS TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES? BUT THIS COULD BE PROVOKED INTO IT?>>Interview: I THINK THAT THE REASONING OF PYONGYANG IS IF A CONFLICT WERE TO BREAK OUT THAT WOULD POSSIBLY — OR MORE THAN LIKELY GO TO THE END OF THE REGIME AND THE REASON THEY HAVE INVESTED SO MUCH TIME AND MONEY INTO THESE WEAPON SYSTEMS IS TO TRY TO DETER THE UNITED STATES FROM INTERVENING ON THE PENINSULA WITH CONVENTIONAL FORCES.>>Wendy: DO YOU SEE THAT NORTH KOREA DIDN’T WANT A WAR HERE?>>Interview: ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT THE REASON THEY’VE PURSUED NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS TO ACHIEVE A DETERRENT AGAINST THE UNITED STATES CARRYING OUT AN INVASION. THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN DETERRED BY NORTH KOREA FOR DECADES BY CONVENTIONAL SOURCES WHICH THREATENED SEOUL FOR DECADES AND HAS BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS. AND THE INTERESTING THING THAT WE HAVE NOW IS THAT NORTH KOREA IS CAPABLE OF DELIVERING A NUCLEAR WEAPON TO THE UNITED STATES’ HOMELAND THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE BEFORE, WHICH GIVES KIM JONG-un MORE CERTAINTY THAT THEY WOULD NOT INITIATE A WAR. THEY WOULDN’T DO IT FIRST, BE IT GUAM OR NEW YORK CITY OR LOS ANGELES, I THINK THEY HAVE THIS AS AN INSURANCE POLICY TO ENSURE THAT IF THE UNITED STATES EVER CONSIDERS A PREEMPTIVE WAR AGAINST NORTH KOREA THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ENSURE FIRE AND FURY, LET’S PUT IT USING TRUMP’S WORDS, AGAINST THE UNITED STATES IN RETURN.>>Wendy: SO, DAVID, HERE WE ARE, IS PEACE STILL ON THE HORIZON? WHAT CAN BE DONE TO SCALE BACK HERE? OR WHERE IS THIS HEADED?>>Interview: I THINK THAT THE FIRST COURSE OF ACTION TO BE TAKEN TO TRY TO COOL DOWN THE SITUATION WOULD BE TO STOP USING RECKLESS RHETORIC AND TO STOP USING TERMS THAT YOU WOULD OFTEN HEAR COMING OUT OF NORTH KOREA FROM THE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE TRY TO HAVE A MORE UNIFIED MESSAGE COMING ACROSS FROM THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION INSTEAD OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE OFFERING ONE SUGGESTION AND THE PRESIDENT OFFERING ANOTHER. I THINK THAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE NORTH KOREANS AND THE UNITED STATES IS KEY TO SOLVING OR AT LEAST ATTEMPTING TO SOLVE SOME OF THIS ISSUE.>>Wendy: BUT WAS IT POSSIBLE TO IMPROVE RELATIONS NOW, ANKIT?>>Interview: IT IS, I THINK. AND IT REQUIRES WILL IN BOTH WASHINGTON AND PYONGYANG AND OUT OF PYONGYANG WE WON’T SEE THAT COMING FIRST AND THERE’S A DEFICIT OF TRUST IN THIS BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP, TO PUT IT LIGHTLY. WASHINGTON HASN’T BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE AND IT MATTERS NOW MORE THAN EVER WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF NORTH KOREA’S ICBM THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BEGIN TO SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE ON NORTH KOREA POLICY AND THAT IT CHOOSES TO TALK TO KIM JONG-un TO AT LEAST DEESCALATE TENSIONS FROM WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.>>Wendy: DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING AT THIS POINT, DAVID, TALKS?>>Interview: WELL, RIGHT NOW, NO, BUT I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS CONSIDERING IT.>>Wendy: HOW DANGEROUS A POINT ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW, AND REX TILLERSON WAS SAYING THAT AMERICANS SHOULD SLEEP WELL TONIGHT, ANKIT, IS THAT WRONG?>>Interview: I DON’T THINK THAT NORTH KOREA WILL LOOK TO STRIKE THE UNITED STATES FIRST SO IN THAT SENSE I ALSO HOPE THAT THE UNITED STATES ISN’T CONSIDERING ANY SORT OF PREEMPTIVE ACTION AGAINST NORTH KOREA. THE TIME FOR PREVENTATIVE WAR IS OVER AND NORTH KOREA HAS DEMONSTRATED AN ICBM AND I’M NOT WILLING TO BET AGAINST THEIR ABILITY TO DELIVER A NUCLEAR WEAPON TO THE UNITED STATES HOMELAND TODAY. SO I HOPE THAT BOTH SIDES REALIZE THAT THERE’S GOOD REASONS TO NOT START A WAR AND EACH DETER THE OTHER AND THEY CONSIDER TALKS TO SIMPLY WALK EACH OTHER BACK FROM THE BRINK.>>Wendy: THANK YOU SO MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU AND A LOT TO WATCH THERE. THANK YOU.>>>UP NEXT, ANTI-TERROR FORCES ARE TARGETED IN FRANCE AND THE ATTACKER’S METHOD IS ALL TOO ♪ [ CBC News theme] Robson: The predawn mist still
lingered in the hollows, when the crowd
on the hill nestled into place
for a good view. [radio chatter] There were bleary eyes
and lots of cameras. [crowd cheers and applauds] A few hours before, at 3:11AM
to be precise, Canadian Julie Payette
and the six other astronauts made that short, exhilarating
walk toward the launch site. The clock ticked closer
to launch time. The Wheaton kids from Iqaluit
and a few new Canadian friends unfurled the new
flag of Nunavut. Across the water on
the launch pad, Julie Payette
blew a kiss goodbye from the door
of the shuttle and was then strapped into
her seat for liftoff. [radio chatter] The Canadian
children, winners of a Canadian
Space Agency contest, clustered together. Announcer: Three! Two! One! And liftoff of
the space shuttle Discovery. On the first mission to dock
with the orbiting International
Space Station. [cheering and applause] Look at it.
Wow. Robson:
For eight-year-old Jessica McGraff-Flemington
of Winnipeg, this was all the career
inspiration she needed. I think that
is cool and I would like
to do that one day. Reporter: Eleven-year-old
Sarah Wheaton was in awe. It felt good
and I was happy for Julie. And that she’s brave enough
to actually go up in space. [whoosh] Robson: They dream
of space travel but these high school student
won’t get off the ground. Their spaceship
is made of wood. One – zero. Liftoff,
we have a liftoff. Robson: Their command centre –
a couple of computers screens and walkie-talkies. Permission
to execute. Robson: What is real is their
respect for Julie Payette, who was once
a student like them. It’s a message of
a dream come true. [speaking in French] Robson: That’s what motivated
these kids to sleep at Laval’s Cosmodome. No one wanted to miss
the big moment. [speaking in French] Robson: “Julie is the first
Québec woman in space” he says. “It’s a great
moment for us.” And them, all across
the province kids held
their breath as Discovery reached
for the stars. Announcer: And liftoff of… Robson: And at that moment
Julie Payette became not just an astronaut,
but a local hero. [applause] Announcer: The vehicle
has cleared the tower… [speaking in French] Robson: “It took a lot of
courage to get where she is,” this student says. I know she speaks like
five different languages. She’s an athlete
and a musician. And she’s an
astronaut. So I kind of
admire her. ♪ [dramatic] Robson: So it seems
does the whole province. Payette gets star
treatment in the media. And what’s a hero without her
own matching set of t-shirts, hats, pens,
and even tattoos. A lot of hype
but no one is complaining. Especially not at Payette’s
old high school where her picture hangs
in the hallway. I think that she is
a great model for us. And that she shows us that we
can do something good in life. You gonna
crash… Robson: The space club simulated
flight ended in disaster but for teacher, Joanne
Patrice, Julie Payette’s mission is already
a success. They’ve got more students
excited about science. The hoopla that we’ve
been having for Julie Payette it will encourage some kids, to at least go
in that direction. ♪ [ CBC News theme]>>Wendy: TROPICAL STORM FRANKLIN HAS STRENGTHEN INTO THE FIRST HURRICANE OF THE ATLANTIC SEASON WITH WINDS 120 km/h, IT’S EXPECTED TO GET STRONGER AS IT MOVES ACROSS THE GULF OF MEXICO. COASTAL AREA RESIDENTS ARE BRACING FOR LANDFALL OVERNIGHT.>>>IN WHAT HAS BECOME A DISTURBING PATTERN IN FRANCE A MAN RAMMED HIS CAR INTO A GROUP OF SOLDIERS, INJURING SIX OF THEM, AND THEN LED POLICE ON A LONG CHASE. NOW THE FRENCH PROSECUTORS ARE INVESTIGATING IT AS A POTENTIAL TERRORIST ATTACK. RENÉE FILIPPONE HAS MORE.>>Reporter: THIS IS WHERE POLICE CAR CHASE ENDED ON A HIGHWAY IN NORTHERN FRANCE. POLICE TRACKED DOWN THE BLACK BMW THEY HAD BEEN SEARCHING FOR ALL MORNING. THE WINDOWS SHATTERED, BULLET HOLES VISIBLE.>>Interview: [Speaking French]>>Reporter: THIS TRUCK DRIVER SAYS THAT HE SAW POLICE OPEN FIRE, THAT’S WHEN HE TOOK COVER. THE SUSPECT, A MAN IN HIS 30s, WAS SHOT AND ARRESTED. AN OFFICER WAS WOUNDED BY A STRAY BULLET. THAT LOCATION IS A 2 1/2 HOUR DRIVE FROM THESE MILITARY BARRACKSES WHERE POLICE SAY THAT CAR RAMMED INTO SIX SOLDIERS THIS MORNING.>>Interview: [Speaking French]>>Reporter: THIS WITNESS SAYS THAT SHE HEARD A DULL NOISE. WENT OUT ON HER BALCONTOW CHECK AND HE SAW TWO SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND AND OTHERS WERE SHOUTING TO RUN AFTER THE CAR AS IT SPED AWAY.>>Interview: [Speaking French]>>Reporter: THE LOCAL MAYOR CALLED THE ATTACK ABOMINABLE AND SAID THAT THE SOLDIERS WERE TARGETED. THE SUSPECT WAITED IN HIS CAR FOR THEM. GOVERNMENT MINISTERS VISITED THE WOUNDED AT THE HOSPITAL THIS AFTERNOON. TWO SUSTAINED SERIOUS BUT NON-LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES.>>Interview: [Speaking French]>>Reporter: THE INTERIOR MINISTER CALLED IT A DELIBERATE ATTACK, SAYING THAT IT’S THE SIXTH TIME THAT SOLDIERS WORKING ON AN ANTI-TERRORISM FORCE HAVE BEEN TARGETS OF TERRORISM THEMSELVES. THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY SINCE NOVEMBER 2015, FOLLOWING A DEADLY ATTACK THAT KILLED 130 PEOPLE. SINCE THEN MORE THAN 100 HAVE DIED IN TERRORIST ATTACKS IN FRANCE. THE GROWING TARGETS NOW IT SEEMS, THE PEOPLE TRYING TO PREVENT THOSE ATTACKS, SECURITY AND POLICE. RENÉE FILIPPONE, CBC NEWS, LONDON.>>Wendy: AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE HAVE DIED AFTER VIOLENCE ERUPTED OVER KENYA’S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULTS. IT COMES AFTER THE OPPOSITION LEADER CAST DOUBT ON THE ELECTION OUTCOME, CLAIMING THAT HACKERS MANIPULATED THE PROCESS TO FAVOUR THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENT. THAT SET OFF WIDESPREAD ANGER IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. POLICE HAD TO USE FORCE TO DISBURSE RIOTERS. ELECTION OFFICIALS SAY THAT THERE’S NO EVIDENCE OF HACKING.>>>STRAIGHT AHEAD… GREAT WHITE SHARKS OFF THE COAST OF NOVA SCOTIA, SOME PEOPLE ARE UNEASY, OTHERS ARE FOCUSED ON THEIR MATING ♪ ♪ ♪ [upbeat jazzy] ♪ record spinning
across the land ♪ ♪ record spinning
across the land ♪ Reporter: The grooves
on a long playing record are one thousandth
of an inch wide. From cutting to wrapping, the disc is processed
by a dozen or more men whose sole preoccupation
is to ensure that the original sound
will be preserved in all its clarity
and brilliance on the mass-produced article. From the moment
the first Sony Walkman made its appearance
in this country, Canadians have taken
to the little toys like beavers to trees. ♪ guess I’m on my way ♪ Reporter:
Music to go. Whatever your taste,
you can now take it with you. No one need ever know that
you’re marching to the beat of a different drummer. ♪ oh girls just
wanna have fun ♪ Reporter: In spite of the
success of Canadian artists, the domestic record industry
has gone through four straight lean years. It’s estimated that
home taping, pirating, is costing the industry
at least $100 million a year in lost sales–
and that’s nothing compared with the upheavals
that lie ahead. Reporter: The latest innovation
in hi-fi sound is the digital audio disc. It could make your
old phonograph records as obsolete as the wax cylinders
of Edison’s day. Beneath the clear
plastic coating are little lands
and grooves that are read
by a laser. Reporter: Turntables
for these new miracle discs will cost over $1,000. ♪ I’ve been waiting
for so long ♪ Reporter: Customers snap them up
as fast or faster than the manufacturers
turn them out. And every record and tape
is being converted to compact disc, from
Buddy Holly to Beethoven. ♪ ♪ It’s also
the kind of music that’s all over the internet
in mp3 format, and many of
those young fans know a lot about
the internet. So instead of
buying the hits, a lot of them just
download them for free. ♪ can’t take my eye ♪ Reporter: Musicworld filed
for bankruptcy protection on Friday, following
other Canadian retailers like Sam the Record Man, forced to close their doors
amid increased competition from big box retailers and more and more
Canadians going online to download music, either from
illegal filesharing sites or legit services
like iTunes. ♪ [upbeat] Reporter: Ten years ago,
when iTunes began selling music online,
the music industry looked on with grave suspicion; but today, iTunes
has become one of the few reliable revenue streams. Last year,
it became North America’s biggest music seller. Google has entered
the digital music business. It’s launched its new service
in Canada today. Like iTunes or Spotify
or Pandora or Songza or a number
of other services, you’ll be able to buy
a subscription to stream music. ♪ because you know
I’m all about that bass ♪ ♪ bout that bass
no treble ♪ There’s always been change
in the music industry, there’s been change
ever since we started and we’ll continue
to change. ♪ no treble ♪ ♪ I’m all about that bass
bout that bass ♪>>Announcer: Summer is golden on CBC Sports. ♪ come on, y’all it’s time to rise up ♪>>Wendy: THE WASHINGTON LANDSCAPE LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT TODAY. NOTICE THE ANGRY BIRD WITH THE FAMILIAR COIFF STARING DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE? NO ONE CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MASCOT KNOWN AS THE TRUMP CHICKEN BUT IT’S BEEN USED IN THE PAST BY ORGANIZERS OF THE TAX DAY MARCH TO PRESSURE DONALD TRUMP TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS.>>OH!>>OH, MY GOSH!>>Wendy: THAT IS THE SOUND OF DISAPPOINTMENT. THE ACE HAS ONCE AGAIN ELUDED LOTTERY CHASERS IN NEWFOUNDLAND. THE DECK IS NOW DOWN TO 10 CARDS WHICH MEANS THAT THE JACKPOT IS EXPECTED TO GET EVEN BIGGER NEXT WEDNESDAY. BUT TODAY WASN’T A TOTAL FOLD. THE MAN WHO DIDN’T DRAW THE ACE STILL WON $185,000 FOR HIS OFFICE POOL.>>>GREAT WHITE SHARKS ARE HIGHLY ELUSIVE CREATURES SO IT’S A BIG DEAL WHEN NOT ONE, BUT TWO, SHOW UP OFF THE COAST OF NOVA SCOTIA. WHILE THEY’RE REGULAR VISITORS TO THE BAY OF FUNDY, THE PRESENCE OF BOTH A MALE AND A FEMALE IN THE WATERS IS CAUSING SOME EXCITEMENT, AT LEAST AMONG RESEARCHERS. TOM MURPHY EXPLAINS.>>Reporter: MENTION GREAT WHITE SHARK ON A NOVA SCOTIA BEACH THIS SUMMER AND THIS IS THE REACTION –>>Interview: IT’S A LITTLE BIT SCARY.>>Reporter: WOULD IT HELP IF YOU KNEW THAT THE SHARK HAS A NAME? THIS IS HILTON, A 600-KILOGRAM GREAT WHITE BEING TAGGED HERE BY A GROUP CALLED O-SEARCH OFF OF SOUTH CAROLINA. ON HIS FIN A TRANSPONDER AND HE’S PINGING EVERYWHERE HE GOES AND HILTON IS ON THE MOVE. HE HAS COME UP THE ATLANTIC COAST AND THIS WEEK HE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT HE’S ON NOVA SCOTIA’S BEAUTIFUL SOUTH SHORE IN MAHONE BAY AND HE’S BEEN SURPRISINGLY BEEN CLOSE TO SHORE.>>Interview: IT’S THE BAIT AND THE FEED SOURCE AND THEY’LL FOLLOW THE FOOD SOURCE WHEREVER IT IS AND RIGHT NOW AN OVERABUNDANCE OF MARK REAL AND STUFF IN CLOSE TO SHORE SO THOSE CRITTERS WILL FOLLOW IT IN AND THAT’S WHAT THEY FEED ON.>>Reporter: SHARKS HAVE LONG BEEN IN OUR WATERS BUT GREAT WHITE SIGHTINGS ARE LESS COMMON. RIGHT NOW THERE’S ALSO A SMALLER FEMALE BENIGNLY NAMED “PUMPKIN” FEEDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NOVA SCOTIA IN THE BAY OF FUNDY.>>WHAT? THERE’S ANOTHER ONE!>>Reporter: YES. AND HERE’S THE THING ABOUT GREAT WHITES… THEY DON’T GIVE UP SECRETS EASILY.>>Interview: WELL, THE MATING IS A BIT OF A MYSTERY HERE.>>Reporter: THAT’S WHAT MAKES HILTON SO INTERESTING. SURE, HE’S LOOKING FOR FOOD BUT MAYBE HE’S LOOKING FOR LOVE TOO.>>Interview: WE’RE BEGINNING TO BUILD UP A PICTURE AT THE MOMENT WHERE THE ANIMALS ARE GOING SO THAT’S GOING TO HELP. AND WE NEED TO FIND THE PLACE WHERE THE MALES AND THE FEMALES ARE PAUSING A BIT AT THE SAME PLACE AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST HINT.>>Reporter: THAT COULD BE HUGE BECAUSE ONCE THEY KNOW WHERE THE GREAT WHITE SHARKS MATE, THOSE AREAS COULD BE PROTECTED AND HELPING THE POPULATION OF A SPECIES WHICH STILL REMAINS AT RISK. AS FOR THOSE FEELING A LITTLE UNEASY… THE OCEAN TRACKING NETWORK SAYS TO THE BEST OF ITS KNOWLEDGE THERE’S NEVER BEEN A REPORT SHARK ATTACK ON ANYONE IN CANADA. SO BEACH-GOERS, TAKE COMFORT. TOM MURPHY, CBC NEWS, HALIFAX.>>Wendy: IT’S RARE, IT’S WEIRD, AND IT’S BEEN DECADES SINCE WE HAVE SEEN THIS HERE IN CANADA, A TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE WILL SWEEP NORTH AMERICA ON AUGUST 21st. THE MOON WILL PASS PERFECTLY BETWEEN THE SUN AND EARTH, BLOCKING OUT DAYLIGHT FOR ALMOST THREE MINUTES DEPENDING WHERE YOU LIVE. SO WHERE CAN YOU SEE IT FROM? AND HOW DO YOU WATCH IT SAFELY? NEXT WEEK THE CBC’S BOB McDONALD WILL BE ON “THE NATIONAL” WITH THOSE ANSWERS AND MORE. SO SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ECLIPSE BY EMAIL, TWITTER, OR BY LEAVING A COMMENT ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND WE’LL HAVE BOB FILL YOU IN ON ALL OF THE FACTS.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT. FOR NEWS AT ANY HOUR YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO cbcnews.ca. I’M WENDY MESLEY. THANKS FOR WATCHING. (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪)

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