The National for Thursday November 23, 2017 – MMIWG, missing submarine, deradicalization


[*]>>IT IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 23RD. THIS IS THE NATIONAL. GOING ON-LINE FOR BLACK FRIDAY DEALS. WHO YOU ARE MAY AFFECT HOW MUCH YOU PAY.>>ADRIENNE: MILLIONS OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS FOR A TEMPORARY SKATING RINK ON PARLIAMENT HILL. AND THE HERITAGE MINISTER UNDER FIRE.>>WE BEGIN WITH FAMILIES DETERMINED TO BE HEARD. THE INQUIRY INTO MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS HAS FACED CHALLENGES OVER THE PAST YEARS, FIRING, RESIGNATION AND CRITICISM WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO GET STARTED. THROUGH IT ALL, IT HAS NOT STOPPED FAMILIES FROM WANTING TO TELL THE STORIES OF THEIR LOVED ONES.>>INTERVIEW: I HAVE BEEN GOING TO COUNSELLING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. I HAVE BEEN SEEING TWO DIFFERENT THERAPISTS. I ISOLATED MYSELF FOR 6 MONTHS AFTER MISSY WENT MISSING. I ALMOST DIED.>>ROSEMARY: EVA TALKED ABOUT THE ANGUISH SHE EXPERIENCED SINCE HER SISTER VANISHED. SHE WAS ONE OF MORE THAN 90 PEOPLE WHO TESTIFIED THERE.>>>TONIGHT THERE ARE QUESTIONS WHETHER OTHERS WILL GET THE CHANCE TO TELL THEIR STORY. THE COMMISSION IS OVERWHELMED AND SOME FAMILIES ARE NOT TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER.>>Reporter: CRISTA SHORE HAS COME TO SASKATOON FOR ONE PURPOSE. TO FIGHT FOR HER MOMENT TO BE HEARD. SHE UNPACKS IN A HOTEL ROOM ABOVE THE HEARING. SHORE SAID SHE CONTACTED THE INQUIRY THREE WEEKS AGO TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT NEVER HEARD BACK.>>INTERVIEW: I LOOK AT THIS AS COMING HERE AND BEING ABLE TO LEAVE STUFF HERE. LEAVE STUFF HERE, YOU KNOW, FOR MY OWN SELF SO I DON’T CARRY IT AROUND AND THINGS ARE NOT SO HEAVY FOR ME ANYMORE.>>REPORTER: SHE WAS 12 YEARS OLD WHEN HER MOM WAS MURDERED. 21 YEARS LATER, SHE WANTS TO SHARE HER EXPERIENCE WITH THE INQUIRY SHE HELPED ADVOCATE FOR.>>INTERVIEW: I NEED TO DO IT FOR MY MOM. TO STAND UP FOR MY MOM AS HER DAUGHTER. I AM HER ONLY LIVING DAUGHTER, TO SPEAK UP FOR HER.>>REPORTER: THE RESPONSE FROM SHORE AND OTHER FAMILIES AND SURVIVORS IN SASKATOON WAS OVERWHELMING FOR THE COMMISSION. TOO MANY PEOPLE WANTED TO TESTIFY. IT IS THE SAME IN OTHER STOPS ACROSS CANADA.>>INTERVIEW: IN TERMS OF WAIT LISTING, WE ARE UTILIZING OUR STATEMENT GATHERERS TO HELP THE PEOPLE AND TAKE THEIR STATEMENTS.>>REPORTER: THAT IS NOT THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE SHORE AND OTHERS CHAMPIONED FOR WHEN THEY CALLED FOR AN INQUIRY.>>INTERVIEW: I DESERVE TO BE HEARD TODAY. AND I WILL NOT LEAVE UNTIL THEY HEAR ME AND GIVE ME THAT HONOUR. NOBODY TOLD MY MOM TO JUST WAIT. NOBODY GAVE MY MOM AN APPOINTMENT TO DIE. SHE WAS STOLEN FROM ME. SHE WAS TAKEN. AND THEY ARE HERE IN MY TERRITORY WHERE MY ROOTS ARE ENGRAVED IN THIS LAND…>>REPORTER: SHORE SAID ALL FAMILIES NEED TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD AND ON THEIR OWN TERMS. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL LEAVE SASKATCHEWAN WITH THE MESSAGE, AND MOVE ON TO COLLECT OTHER STORIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. CBC NEWS, SASKATOON.>>ROSEMARY: THE INQUIRY HEADS THROUGH QUEBEC AND ONTARIO NEXT. IT WAS DUE TO BE IN RANKIN INLET DECEMBER 11TH. BUT THOSE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED DUE TO CONCERNS ABOUT SPACE AND PRIVACY. THE OFFICIALS ARE PROMISING, THOUGH, THEY WILL BE RESCHEDULED SOON.>>>IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS, THE PRIME MINISTER IS SET TO MAKE A HISTORIC APOLOGY TO INDIGENOUS GROUPS IN NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR. FOR WHAT THEY SUFFERED IN RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS. ONE OF THE THREE GROUPS SAID THEY WILL NOT TAKE PART. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE INNU NATION IS BOYCOTTING BECAUSE OF OTHER GRIEVANCES WITH OTTAWA. AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE END OF IT. AN INUK MAN NAMED TOBY OBED WAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE SETTLEMENT. AS HE TELLS DAVID COCHRANE, HE IS NOT SURE IF HE WILL ACCEPT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S APOLOGY.>>REPORTER: YOU SUGGESTED YOU WOULD BE LISTENING CLOSELY TO WHAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAD TO SAY. AND IF YOU DID NOT LIKE THE WORDS YOU WOULD WALK OUT THE DOOR. YOU WOULD WALK OUT IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT HE SAYS.>>YEAH. I WILL WALK OUT THE DOOR.>>REPORTER: WHAT WOULD HE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE TOBY OBED WALK OUT OF THE APOLOGY YOU FOUGHT FOR FOR TEN YEARS.>>INTERVIEW: I WILL SIT DOWN AND I WILL LISTEN. BUT IF, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO HEAR THE WORDS I AM SORRY. NOT ONLY TO US TO US ALIVE TODAY BUT I WANT TO HEAR I AM SORRY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PASSED AWAY THAT CAN’T BE WITH YOU. CANNOT BE WITH US TODAY.>>ROSEMARY: YOU CAN WATCH FOR THE FULL STORY TOMORROW ON “THE NATIONAL.” TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT.>>>ANOTHER IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR THE GOVERNMENT IN THE BID FOR RECONCILIATION. WE WILL SEE IF THEY GET TOBY ONSIDE.>>ADRIENNE: WE WILL WATCH THAT TOMORROW. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A STORY THAT IS WATCHED AROUND THE WORLD. RIGHT THIS MOMENT. THE SAN JUAN, THE ARGENTINE SUBMARINE WITH 44 CREW ABOARD. IT HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MORE THAN A WEEK. DESPITE A FRANTIC SEARCH, THERE WAS NO DEBRIT AND NO TRACE AND NOT A SIGN UNTIL TODAY. AND ACCORDING TO THE ARGENTINE NAVY SPOKESMAN, THE SIGN IS OMINOUS.>>ADRIENNE: A SOUND CONSISTENT WITH AN EXPLOSION. AFTER RECEIVING THE NEWS, THE HOPES OF THE MISSING SAILORS’ FAMILIES ALREADY STRETCHED THIN BROKE. THE SAN JUAN WAS HEADING FOR A NAVAL BASE SOUTH WHEN IT DISAPPEARED. THE LAST RADIO CONTACT WAS HERE, LAST WEDNESDAY. HOURS LATER, IT WAS HERE. AN INTERNATIONAL AGENCY PICKED UP THE SOUND WELL BELOW THE FREQUENCY. FLACK — FLAGGED BECAUSE THE SOUND WAS NOT NATURAL.>>AS GRIM AS IT SOUNDS, THERE IS A CHANCE, A RAPIDLY DIMINISHING CHANCE THERE ARE PEOPLE ALIVE DOWN THERE. AS DAVID COMMON EXPLAINS, IF THE SUB IS FOUND GETTING ANYONE OUT OF THERE ALIVE WOULD TAKE TECHNOLOGY AND TENACITY. SEASONED SEASONED –>>REPORTER: SUBMARINES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFICULT TO FIND. BUT IN JUST 8 DAYS, THE BEST UNDER SEA RESCUE TEAMS IN THE WORLD BELIEVE THEY ARE VERY CLOSE. IF AND WHEN THEY DO FIND THEM… THEY WILL LIKELY SEND THIS. THE U.S. NAVY’S PRESSURIZED RESCUE MODULE. IT DESCENDS DOWN TO 600 METRES, CLAMPS ON TO THE HATCH AND BRINGS UP 16 SAILORS AT A TIME. THE QUESTION, OF COURSE IS IF ANYONE IS ALIVE. WE HAVE NO MORE SAINTS TO PRAY TO SAID THE WIFE OF ONE SAILOR. I HAD A BAD FEELING. AND TODAY, IT WAS CONFIRMED. THE RESCUERS HAVE AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION. ONLY BECAUSE SENSORS LIKE THESE PLACED UNDER WATER BY AN INTERNATIONAL AGENCY TO TRACK NUCLEAR EVENTS DETECTED THAT LOUD, VIOLENT UNNATURAL SOUND. SHORTLY AFTER THE SUB’S LAST COMMUNICATION, A WEEK AGO. IT IS NOT AN EXPLOSION, SAID THE ARGENTINA NAVY. NOT WHERE WE EXPECT PIECES TO FLOAT UP. STILL, THE SHIPS ARE SEARCHING FOR RESIDUE ON THE SURFACE. THE SAN JUAN HAS 44 PEOPLE ONBOARD. THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, THEY HAVE TWO DAYS OF OXYGEN LEFT. THE REVELATION OF THAT LOUD SOUND MAY SIGNAL SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC. IT DID 17 YEARS AGO. WHEN A DETECTED UNDER SEA SOUND SIGNALLED AN EXPLOSION ONBOARD THE RUSSIAN NUCLEAR SUB KIIR — KURSK. A NOTE IN THE POCKET OF THE CAPTAIN SAID 23 HAD SURVIVED. AND MADE IT TO ANOTHER COMPARTMENT. ALL DIED BEFORE THE RECOVERY. IF ANYONE IS STILL ALIVE ON THE ARGENTINA VESSEL, THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL PROTOCOL THEY WOULD FOLLOW. LAUNCH FLARES TO THE SURFACE, DEPLOY AN ALARM BEACON AND AFTER EVERYTHING ELSE, MAKE NOISE, TWICE AN HOUR AT SPECIFIC TIMES. THAT’S WHEN SEARCHER WILL STOP, BE SILENT AND LISTEN. DAVID COMMON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>ADRIENNE: IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING, IF ANY OF CANADA’S SUBMARINES END UP IN TROUBLE, WE MAY HAVE A PROBLEM. ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE, CANADA HAS ZERO SUBMERSIBLE VEHICLES THAT COULD PULL OFF A RESCUE. IN ADDITION TO THE U.S., SOME NATO COUNTRIES REGULARLY MAKE THE RESCUE CRAFT AVAILABLE AND SO DO SWEDEN AND JAPAN AND RUSSIA. CANADA WOULD HAVE TO TURN TO THEM.>>>NOW, ONE OF OTTAWA’S MAIN PLANS TO COMBAT TERRORISM IS TO DERADICALIZE CANADIANS. TO STEER THEM AWAY FROM DANGEROUS IDEOLOGY TOWARD A LIFE OF PEACE. CBC NEWS LEARNED THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT HOW MANY MAY HAVE RETURNED OR EVEN WHO THEY ARE. AS WE REPORT, ONCE THEY ARE BACK IN CANADA, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THEY WILL ACCEPT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION ANYWAY.>>REPORTER: AFTER FOUR YEARS OF BRUTALITY AND TERROR, THE ISLAMIC STATE IS COLLAPSING AND THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS ARE SCRAMBLING TO GET OUT OF SYRIA.>>WHAT WILL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRAVELLED OVER THERE, WHAT WILL THEY NOW DO?>>REPORTER: ABOUT 60 HAVE RETURNED HERE, SAID GOODALE. AND PERHAPS THREE TIMES THAT MANY ARE STILL OVERSEAS. IF THEY DO RETURN, THE GOVERNMENT SAID IT AIMS TO PROSECUTE THEM. IT IS DIFFICULT SO FAR. THOSE WHO CAN’T BE PROSECUTED, THE HOPE IS TO STEER THEM TO SOMEWHERE LIKE THIS. MONTREAL CENTRE FOR THE PREVENTION OF RADICALIZATION LEADING TO VIOLENCE. IT DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK.>>THE PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO PARTICIPATE TO WHAT THE CENTER IS DOING, THEY CANNOT BE FORCED.>>REPORTER: THE QUEBEC’S MARTIN COUTEAUX ROULEAU IS ONE OF THOSE WHO RESISTED EFFORTS TO CHANGE HIS IDEOLOGY. HE ATTACKED AND KILLED A CANADIAN SOLDIER.>>INTERVIEW: IF THERE IS NOT THE WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE, ALL INTERVENTION THAT YOU WILL TRY OR ALL INTERVENTION YOU WILL MAKE ON THE INDIVIDUAL IS NOT GOING TO WORK.>>INTERVIEW: I CAN SAY SCREW YOU. I HAVE NO INTENTION TO GO TO THE PROGRAM. THOSE WHO COME BACK HEAVILY RADICALIZED, COMMITTED TO THE CAUSE, THOSE GUYS ARE HOPELESS CAUSES AND HAVE TO BE MONITORED AD NAUSEAM.>>THERE IS THE QUESTION OF WHO RUNS THE PROGRAMS. THE PROJECT SOMEONE AT MONTREAL’S CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY IS ONE OF THE GROUP’S FUNDED BY PUBLIC SAFETY CANADA. THE DIRECTOR TOLD CBC THAT JIHADISM IS NOT THE MAIN TERRORIST THREAT TO CANADA.>>WHY IS JIHADISM THE BIGGEST RADICALIZATION PROBLEM ACCORDING TO YOU IN CANADA? YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME SOME SOURCES FOR THAT FOR ME TO VERIFY — I CAN PROVIDE YOU SOURCES THAT STATE THE CONTRARY.>>REPORTER: ONE SOURCE WOULD BE THE PUBLIC REPORT ON THE TERRORIST THREAT TO CANADA. WHICH SAYS THE ISLAMIC STATE AND AL-QAEDA ARE THE MAIN THREATS. IN FACT, EVERY GROUP MENTIONED IN THE REPORT IS JIHADI. CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Adrienne: IT IS WORTH ADDING THAT THE MATTER OF HOW TO DERADICALIZE AND WHETHER IT WORKS IS NOT JUST CANADA’S PROBLEM. THERE ARE COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MAGIC FORMULA IS. THEY DON’T HAVE IT.>>Rosemary: LIGHTER, THE ULTIMATE PASTIME OF CANADA. HITTING THE OUTDOOR RINK WHEN THE MERCURY DROPS BELOW 0. FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE CANADIANS WILL DO THAT ON PARLIAMENT HILL. WHAT SEEMED LIKE THE PICTURE PERFECT WINTER ATTRACTION STARTED TO GET AN ICY RECEPTION WHEN IT WAS REVEALED THAT THE RINK WOULD BE OPEN FOR JUST 26 DAYS. WHETHER PERMITTING. — WEATHER PERMITTING. AND THAT IT HAS A PRICE TAG OF $5.6 MILLION. AND THAT MEANS $215,000 PER DAY. TODAY, AFTER PRESSURE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, OTTAWA SAID IT WILL STAY OPEN LONGER THAN THREE WEEKS. AT WHAT COST? KATIE SIMPSON WENT TO THE HILL TO CHECK IT OUT.>>REPORTER: THE FIRST PAIR OF SKATES HAVE NOT HIT THE ICE ON PARLIAMENT HILL. BUT CONCERN IS GROWING, THE PRICE TAG FOR THE OUTDOOR RINK IS OFFSIDE.>>WHAT IF I TOLD YOU IT WILL BE OPEN FOR THREE WEEKS AND IT IS GOING TO COST TAXPAYERS $5.6 MILLION.>>INTERVIEW: OUCH. THAT IS MY MONEY.>>WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE.>>THAT IS RIDICULOUS. I HOPE PEOPLE HAVE A GOOD TIME SKATING. I GUESS.>>REPORTER: OTTAWA PLANNED TO HAVE THE RINK OPEN FOR DECEMBER AS A WAY TO CAP OFF CANADA 150 CELEBRATIONS. THE HEFTY PRICE TAG INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION COSTS, MAINTENANCE AND HOSTING MORE THAN 2 DOZEN PEEWEE HOCKEY TEAMS FOR A TOURNAMENT.>>WE WANT TO END ON A HIGH NOTE.>>REPORTER: THE MINISTER IN CHARGE DEFENDED THE PLAN YESTERDAY, DESPITE QUESTIONS ABOUT VALUE FOR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, GIVEN THE RINK’S SHORT LIFE SPAN.>>CANADA 150 AND ACTUALLY IN 2017.>>REPORTER: TODAY, MELANIE JOLY BACKTRACKED SAYING IT WILL STAY OPEN UNTIL THE END OF FEBRUARY. SHE SKATED WHEN ASKED HOW MUCH MORE IT WILL COST TAXPAYERS.>>I WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO GIVE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT LATER ON.>>REPORTER: THE MONEY FOR THE RINK COMES FROM A LARGER FUND USED TO CELEBRATE CANADA’S 150TH BIRTHDAY. BUT SOME ON PARLIAMENT HILL ARGUE THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO PARK THE OCCASION. —ING — MARK THE OCCASION.>>IF WE WANTED TO CELEBRATE OUR FAVOURITE WINTER SPORT PASTIME, YOU COULD BUILD 100 RINKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THE SAME PRICE. I THINK IT IS OVER THE TOP. .>>PERMIT — PERMANENT WOULD BE A BETTER PROPOSAL FOR CANADIANS.>>REPORTER: THE GOVERNMENT WILL DONATE THE BOARDS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT TO A LOCAL COMMUNITY IN NEED ONCE IT IS DISMANTLED. THAT IS WELCOME NEWS TO CURIOUS TOURISTS WHO DON’T NECESSARILY THINK THE PURCHASE IS A WASTE.>>INTERVIEW: I THINK IT IS AWESOME. IT IS SHOWING CANADA AND OUR CULTURE AND I THINK IT IS GREAT.>>IT GIVES REASON TO PEOPLE TO GET OFF THEIR BUTT AND GO SKATING.>>REPORTER: THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS HOPING FOR. CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>ROSEMARY: ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT RINK, HERE IS A LIST OF THINGS NOT ALLOWED, NO HOCKEY, NO FIGURE SKATING AND NO PHONES AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES, NO FOOD OR DRINK, NO ROUGH PLAY AND ABSOLUTELY NO MULTIPLAYER GAMES. LIKE TAG.>>>HERE WHAT THERE IS, TO GET ON THE RINK, HAVE YOU TO BOOK YOUR SPOT TWO DAYS IN ADVANCE. AND YOU ONLY GET 40 MINUTES OF ICE TIME. AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, OTTAWA IS HOME TO THE LARGEST OUTDOOR SKATING RINK THAT IS 500 METRES FROM PARLIAMENT HILL. THE RIDEAU CANAL.>>ANDREW: YOU CAN PLAY TAG THERE IF YOU WANT TO.>>ROSEMARY: YOU CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS PROBABLY.>>ANDREW: THAT IS ANOTHER THING IT HAS GOING FOR IT.>>>THE HOLIDAY SHOPPING SEASON IS UPON US. THIS NEXT STORY IS FOR ALL OF YOU THINKING OF DOING SHOPPING ONLINE. BECAUSE THE TEAM AT MARKETPLACE DID A BIG SURVEY ON CANADIAN ONLINE SHOPPING HABITS. AND THEY FOUND THAT ALMOST HALF OF CANADIANS SAY THEY BUY STUFF OVER THE INTERNET ONCE A MONTH. OF COURSE THE NUMBER IS LIKELY HIGHER THIS TIME OF YEAR. A BIG SURPRISE, RIGHT. HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THEY FOUND. THE PRICE YOU ARE GETTING ONLINE FOR SOMETHING MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM THE PRICE YOUR NEIGHBOUR IS GETTING. WHICH MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM THE PRICE THEIR NEIGHBOUR IS GETTING. MARKETPLACE TELLS US WHY.>>DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GUESSING GAME.>>REPORTER: TO TEST THE CANADIAN PERCEPTIONS ABOUT PRICE, MARKETPLACE HIT THE STREETS.>>I WANT YOU TO TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU THINK THAT COSTS. 60, 80, OR $120?>>ONLINE.>>YEAH.>>80.>>80.>>REPORTER: WHAT I MADE IT EASIER FOR YOU GUYS. IT ACTUALLY COSTS ALL THREE.>>THAT MAKES IT CONFUSING.>>REPORTER: CONFUSING BUT LEGAL. MORE COMMON THAN YOU THINK. IT IS NOT SALE PRICING. IT IS DYNAMIC PRICING. WHEN PRICES CHANGE, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, SUPPLY, EVEN BASED ON WHAT COMPETITORS CHARGE FOR THE SAME PRODUCT.>>REPORTER: THIS IS ACTUALLY A CHART OF WHAT THIS WEBCAM COST OVER THE LAST YEAR. BOTTOMS OUT OVER HERE AT 60. AND IT WENT UP TO 80. AND THEN THE HIGHEST PRICE $120.>>WOW.>>THAT IS CRAZY.>>REPORTER: THE SAME OBJECT, A DIFFERENT PRICE. A SNEAKY STRATEGY, THE RETAIL STRATEGIST SAID IS HERE TO STAY.>>INTERVIEW: THE RETAILERS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET THE OPTIMAL PRICE FOR A PRODUCT. THE DIFFERENCE IS, NOW THEY CAN.>>REPORTER: ANOTHER MORE PERSONAL PRICING APPROACH, COOKIES. SMALL FILES WEBSITES CAN PLACE ON YOUR SMART PHONE OR COMPUTER TO PICK UP CERTAIN INFORMATION ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SHOPPING HABITS. A VIRTUAL GLIMPSE INTO WHAT YOU ARE LIKELY TO BUY AND HOW MUCH YOU ARE LIKELY TO SPEND.>>IF I FEEL THAT BY GIVING A RETAILER DATA OR ACCESS TO MY DATA, I AM GETTING SOMETHING OF VALUE BACK IN RETURN. WHETHER IT IS BETTER PRICES, WHETHER IT IS BETTER PRODUCT RECOMMENDATIONS. I WILL BE MORE WILLING TO SHARE THAT DATA.>>COME ON IN.>>REPORTER: THE SAME DATA, YOUR SHOPPING HISTORY AND HABITS CAN COST YOU. SO WE ARE TESTING IT.>>LET’S TRY NEW YEAR’S EVE IN NEW YORK STEEP. — CITY.>>REPORTER: MARKETPLACE SHOPPERS USE THEIR DEVICES TO SEARCH FOR HOTEL ROOMS. LOOKING FOR A ROOM IN THE SAME CITY, ON THE SAME DAY.>>ON YOUR MARKS, GET SET… SEARCH.>>REPORTER: ALL SEARCHING THE EXACT SAME TIME.>>OH, MY GOSH. $734. THE BELVEDERE.>>REPORTER: OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE SHOPPERS GOT DIFFERENT PRICES FOR THE SAME HOTEL ROOM.>>THERE YOU GO, YOU GOT 712 FOR THE BELVEDERE.>>REPORTER: A TRAINED TECHNOLOGY EXPERT HAS SEEN ON SCREEN BEFORE.>>THIS IS ABOUT INFORMATION. THE MORE INFORMATION THEY HAVE ON AN INDIVIDUAL, THE MORE THEY PREY ON YOUR NEEDS FOR DESIRES TO CHARGE YOU SOMETHING MORE FOR SOMETHING YOU REALLY WANT.>>REPORTER: IT IS CALLED PRICE DISCRIMINATION. THE CONSUMERS BEING CHARGED DIFFERENT PRICES FOR THE SAME THING.>>INTERVIEW: YOU THINK IT FROM A NEGOTIATING POSITION. THE PROVIDER IS ACTUALLY HANKLING WITH US. THEY ARE SHOWING US DIFFERENT PRICES AND YET WE DON’T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE BACK.>>REPORTER: ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE LARGEST TRAVEL COMPANIES IN THE WORLD, THAT TEST WAS ABOUT DEALS. NOT DISCRIMINATION.>>WE ARE THRILLED TO GIVE THEM DIFFERENT DEALS AND GET OUT THERE AND TRAVEL IN THE WAY THEY WANT TO TRAVEL.>>REPORTER: THAT IS PRICE DISCRIMINATION.>>INTERVIEW: OUR CUSTOMERS SAY IT IS AWESOME.>>REPORTER: AWESOME MAYBE. BUT NOT VERY TRANSPARENT.>>WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE CANADIANS, INCLUDING OUR TESTERS WHO GOT DIFFERENT PRICES FOR THE SAME THING AND WERE SURPRISED AND UPSET ABOUT IT?>>INTERVIEW: THEY SHOULD KEEP SHOPPING AROUND.>>REPORTER: SOMETHING TO TRY NEXT TIME YOU ARE SHOPPING AROUND ONLINE, COMPARE PRICES. ON MORE THAN ONE DEVICE AND CONSIDER A PRIVATE BROWSER. THAT IS FREE OF YOUR SEARCH HISTORY AND CLEAR OF COOKIES. CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>ANDREW: AND YOU CAN CATCH THE FULL MARKETPLACE INVESTIGATION TOMORROW NIGHT STARTING AT 8 P.M. LOCAL TIME, ON CBC.>>>A LOT MORE AHEAD. YOU WILL MEET A WOMAN IN NEWFOUNDLAND FIGHTING STAGE 4 BREAST CANCER WHO JUST WON THE LOTTERY AND THAT IS NOT EVEN THE BEST NEWS SHE RECEIVED.>>ROSEMARY: THE AUDITOR GENERAL WAS CLEAR IT WILL COST A LOT MORE TO FIX THE PHOENIX PAY SYSTEM. WILL THERE BE A POLITICAL PRICE FOR THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. AT ISSUE IS HERE WITH THEIR TAKE.>>ADRIENNE: WE WILL LIFT THE LID ON CANADA’S DIRTY SECRETS.>>IF THERE WAS A GARBAGE OLYMPICS, EVERY YEAR, WE WOULD >>ON THE NATIONAL, ANOTHER MAJOR ACTOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HARVEY WEINSTEIN. YOU MAY REMEMBER LAST MONTH, UMA THURMAN SAID SHE WAS TOO ANGRY TO TALK ABOUT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM. TODAY SHE BROKE HER SILENCE. HERE IS PART OF WHAT SHE POSTED… YOU MAY HEAR MORE FROM HER IN THE DAYS TO COME.>>>HERE AT HOME AFTER A FULL DAY MEETING, THE UNION REPRESENTING CANADIAN PERFORMERS ACTRA ANNOUNCED IT IS MAKING CHANGES TO DEAL WITH SEXUAL MISCONDUCT IN THE INDUSTRY.>>Interview: I WOULDN’T WANT TO SAY WE WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EVERYBODY TOMORROW. I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT COMING TOGETHER LIKE THIS BEFORE. IT IS INSPIRING TO SEE.>>ANDREW: THOSE IN THE MEETING TODAY SAID CHANGE WILL BE SLOW. BUT SHE PLAN TO ENACT AN — BUT THEY PLANT TO ENACT AN INDUSTRY WIDE CODE OF CONDUCT AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO REPORT THEIR ALLEGATIONS.>>Adrienne: ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD, PEOPLE ARE TALKING TRASH ABOUT CANADA. AND IT POINTS TO OUR SHORES. AND A DIRTY PROBLEM. FOR ALL THE CHEERFUL PHOTO OPS IN THE PHILIPPINES. AN UGLY PICTURE CAUGHT OUR EYE. THE GARBAGE DUMP IN MANILA AND THE PHILIPPINES CHASTISING THE PRIME MINISTER FOR NOT TAKING IT BACK. IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, THE RESULT OF A PRIVATE DEAL THAT DID NOT TURN OUT AS PROMISED. 103 CONTAINERS WERE SUPPOSED TO HOLD PLASTIC MEANT FOR RECYCLING. THEY WERE FILLED WITH MIXED WASTE INCLUDING FESTERING DIAPERS AND ROTTING FOOD.>>>RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PLAN FOR THE GARBAGE. WE HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH A QUESTION, DOES CANADA HAVE A WASTE PROBLEM? LIKE THE LANDFILL, THIS NEAR PETERBOROUGH, THE GARBAGE REALITY IS BIGGER THAN YOU MAY REALIZE.>>INTERVIEW: A LOT OF PRODUCTS ARE HEAVILY PACKAGED. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP IN THE LANDFILL. I WOULD SAY IT IS A PROBLEM. A MASSIVE PROBLEM.>>ADRIENNE: UNLESS YOU STARE AT A LANDFILL, THE CANADIANS DO NOT SEE THE GARBAGE. THE WASTE ADVISOR FOR THE WORLD BANK HAS SPENT A CAREER LOOKING AT IT.>>CANADIAN CITIES ARE PROBABLY AMONG THE CLEANEST IN THE WORLD. AND WE ARE PROBABLY THE BEST AT PICKING UP GARBAGE. TRUCK FOR TRUCK, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYONE.>>ADRIENNE: THAT DOES NOT MEAN CANADA IS GOOD IN THE TERMS OF THE WASTE IT PRODUCES.>>INTERVIEW: NO. NO. IF THERE WAS A GARBAGE OLYMPICS, EVERY YEAR WE WOULD BE IN THE MEDAL ROUNDS AS THE LARGEST WASTE GENERATORS IN THE WORLD.>>ADRIENNE: IT IS A GOOD LINE AND A SAD TRUTH THAT HAS THE HEFT OF NUMBERS BEHIND IT. 25 MILLION TONS, THAT IS HOW MUCH MUNICIPAL WASTE CANADA GETS RID OF A YEAR. INDUSTRIAL INSTITUTIONAL, COMMERCIAL MOSTLY. TOO BIG A NUMBER TO GRASP. TRY THIS NUMBER. IT AMOUNTS TO 700 KILOGRAMS PER PERSON PER YEAR. NOT RECYCLING GARBAGE. 2012 WAS THE LAST TIME COMPARISONS WERE PUBLISHED OF COUNTRIES WITH SIMILARLY ADVANCED ECONOMIES AND URBANIZATION. CANADA WAS PRODUCING MORE WASTE PER PERSON THAN ANY OF THEM. INCLUDING THE U.S. >>INTERVIEW: IT CORRELATES ALMOST PERFECTLY, A LOT OF GARBAGE. A LOT OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. WASTE REDUCTION, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REDUCTION.>>REPORTER: THE NUMBERS TEND TO RISE AND FALL AS THE ECONOMY DOES. BUT AGAIN IF WE DON’T SEE IT, WE FORGET IT. TORONTONIANS WERE FORCED TO LOOK IN 2009 DURING THE GARBAGE STRIKE. AND IN AN ODD CONSEQUENCE OF THE HORROR OF 9/11, THE BORDER CLOSED FOR A FEW DAYS. MEANING ALL THE WASTE CANADA EXPORTS TO THE U.S. FOR PROCESSING PILED UP. A LOT IS SENT SOUTH BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER THAT WAY. ONTARIO MOVES A THIRD OF THE WASTE TO THE U.S. LAST YEAR. HOPING TRADE TALKS DO NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT. SOMETIMES, THE WASTE CAN’T BE MOVED OUT OF SIGHT. CERTAINLY NOT IN THE NOT SO PRISTINE NORTH.>>YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE AND YOU WILL SEE BAGS, PLASTIC BAGS, AND DEBRIT. THE WIND PICKS IT UP AND BLOWS IT ALL OVER THE PLACE.>>ADRIENNE: THIS IS IQALUIT WHERE THERE IS NO RECYCLING AND NO INCINERATOR AND ONE LANDFILL. THERE ARE MEMORIES OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2013. — 2014. THE LANDFILL SPONTANEOUSLY CAUGHT ON FIRE AND BURNED FOR FOUR MONTHS. THE PLUMES RISING LIKE A VOLCANO. IT WAS DECLARED THE WORST FIRE IN NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA. SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED BECAUSE OF THE TOXIC SMOKE. JIM LITTLE IS TRYING TO HELP. TRYING TO START A COMPOSTING PROGRAM.>>ORGANIC MATERIAL IS NOT WASTE. WE MAKE IT WASTE. BY PUTTING IT IN LANDFILLS, WE ARE CREATING A FUTURE OF METHANE GENERATOR. THAT IS WHAT THAT IS OVER THERE.>>ADRIENNE: JUST AS IT IS EXPENSIVE TO GET GOODS TO THE ARCTIC, IT IS HARD TO GET WASTE OUT. AND ALL LANDFILLS FILL UP. THIS ONE IN PETERBOROUGH HAS ANOTHER 15 YEARS AND SOMETHING ELSE WILL HAVE TO BE DONE. AND PROBABLY A BETTER APPROACH THAN OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND.>>>FOR SOME CANADIANS WHO LIVE NEAR THE OCEAN, ONE WAY TO HIDE GARBAGE SEEMS IRIRRESISTIBLE — IRRESISTIBLE. A RESEARCH PROJECT HAS UNCOVERED SHOCKING GRAVEYARDS OF HOUSEHOLD ITEMS THAT LURK OFF THE COAST OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR. HERE IS THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM AND THE SEARCH FOR SOLUTIONS.>>REPORTER: BENEATH THE RUGGED SPLENDOUR OF NEWFOUNDLAND COASTLINE LIVES A DIRTY LITTLE SECRET. THIS VIDEO SHOWS WHAT WAS DISCOVERED IN 18 HARBOURS OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS. THE OCEAN HAS BECOME A GARBAGE DUMP. THE RESEARCH SCIENTIST COREY MORRIS AND DAN PORTER GIVE THEIR FINDINGS.>>WHEN WE GO BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE WERE OBSERVING NEW GARBAGE SHOWING UP. LARGE FRIDGES, WASHER AND DRYERS, TYPE OF APPLIANCES, AS WELL AS FLOORING, CARPET. LARGE ITEMS.>>REPORTER: IF YOU TAKE A WALK ALONG THE COASTLINE, ALMOST ANYWHERE IN NEWFOUNDLAND, THIS IS THE SORT OF STUFF YOU WILL SEE. BUT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU SEE THAT CONCERNS SCIENTISTS. IT IS WHAT IS LURKING UNDERNEATH THE OCEAN THAT IS HARMING EVERYTHING TO THE ENVIRONMENT. ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS DANGERS TO FISH ARE DISCARDED FISHING NETS CALLED GHOST NETS. THE PLASTIC IN THE NETS COULD TAKE 600 YEARS TO BREAK DOWN. MEANWHILE, CATCHING EVERYTHING IN THE WAKE. BUT WHEN DAN PORTER TALKS TO THE LOCALS ABOUT THE GARBAGE IN THE HARBOURS, THE RESPONSE IS USUALLY THE SAME.>>INTERVIEW: THEY SAY, I DIDN’T DO IT. SOMEBODY ELSE DID IT. SORT OF THING. IT ENDS UP IN THE WATER. ONCE IN THE HARBOUR, IT WAS GONE AND OUT OF SIGHT. THEY DIDN’T THINK ABOUT IT.>>INTERVIEW: THE COMMUNITY COULD BE BEAUTIFUL AND SPECTACULAR AND NICE SCENERY, IF YOU LOOK CLOSER IN THE OCEAN, PROBLEMS ARE STILL HAPPENING.>>Reporter: THE 6th GRADER WAS TRANSFIXED IN THE PRESENTATION. SHE GOT THE MESSAGE.>>I FEEL PEOPLE SHOULD DO MORE THINGS TO STOP THIS. IF YOU DON’T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, IT CAN SERIOUSLY AFFECT THE ECOSYSTEM. IN THE OCEAN.>>IT COULD RUIN OUR WORLD. IF THERE IS NO OCEANS AND THERE IS NO FISH, THAT IS BASICALLY ONE OF THE BOTTOMS OF THE FOOD CHAIN.>>REPORTER: THE YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER TO END OCEAN DUMPING SAID PORTER.>>WE ARE KIND OF HOPING THAT DOING THIS MAKES PEOPLE AWARE OF WHAT IS UNDER THE WATER IN THE HARBOUR AND WILL EDUCATE THEM AND IT WILL SLOW THE GARBAGE INTO THE OCEAN.>>REPORTER: MORE NIGHTS LIKE THIS, MORE PUBLIC EDUCATION. A SMALL STEP TOWARD CHANGING ATTITUDES THAT LED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE. — THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. CBC NEWS, ST. JOHN’S.>>Rosemary: WHEN WE COME BACK, MY FAVOURITE DAY, THE AT ISSUE PANEL WEIGHS IN ON THE BALLOONS COST OF THE PHOENIX PAYROLL SYSTEM AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A POLITICAL PRICE TAG.>>ADRIENNE: FIRST, WE REALLY WANT TO SHOW YOU A PHOTO THAT CAUGHT OUR EYE TODAY. WE TRACKED DOWN THE PHOTOGRAPHER BEHIND IT. TAKE A LOOK.>>INTERVIEW: HE CAME ON THE BACK OF THE PASSENGER SIDE AND HE STARTED TO SHAKE MY WHEELS. THEN HE — ON THE PASSENGER SIDE, ON THE WINDOW SIDE AND THIS IS WHEN HE STARTED TO LOOK THROUGH THE WINDOW. I GOT MY HAND — MY LEFT HAND, I GOT MY FEET ON THE BRAKE. I WAS BASICALLY JUST TAKING A PICTURE LIKE THIS. SOMETIMES WE DO NOT REALIZE THIS IS NO JOKE. IT IS A BIG ANIMAL. IT IS DANGEROUS. [*]>>I CAN SAY IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. BUT UNACCEPTABLE DOES NOT CAPTURE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS ISSUE. I THINK PERHAPS, THE BEST WAY THAT I CAN PUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, THIS REALLY HAS TO BE THE GOVERNMENT’S MAIN PRIORITY TO GET THIS RESOLVED.>>ROSEMARY: THE MAIN PRIORITY, STRONG LANGUAGE THERE FROM THE AUDITOR GENERAL MICHAEL FERGUSON ON TUESDAY. TALKING ABOUT THE PHOENIX PAY SYSTEM. THAT LEFT GOVERNMENT WORKERS OVER PAID AND UNDER PAID AND NOT PAID AT ALL. THE PRICE TAG TO FIX IT WILL BLOW PAST THE GOVERNMENT’S PROJECTION OF HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. WHO BETTER TO WEIGH IN ON ALL THIS AND MUCH MORE AT ISSUE. ANDREW IS IN TORONTO TONIGHT. CHANTAL IN MONTREAL. PAUL WELLS IS JOINING US FROM OTTAWA. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. ANDREW, AT WHAT POINT DO THE LIBERALS HAVE TO STOP CALLING THIS A CONSERVATIVE PROBLEM AND AT WHAT POINT DO THEY START WEARING IT?>>I DON’T KNOW IS THE SHORT ANSWER. I AM SURE THERE IS SHARED BLAME HERE. THERE IS NO DOUBT IT WAS FLAWED FROM THE BEGINNING. AT SOME POINT THE LIBERALS DECIDED TO FLICK THE SWITCH AND GO LIVE WITH IT. AT SOME POINT, FOR ANY GOVERNMENT THE JOB IS TO FIX THE MISTAKES AND LEFT BY PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK, HOWEVER, THE LARGER SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS IS LESS TO DO WITH ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER, ONE GOVERNMENT OR ANOTHER BUT SYSTEMIC. THE GOVERNMENTS HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH IT PROJECTS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE CANADA.CA, THE LONG GUN REGISTRY OR ONTARIO EHEALTH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LONG AND SHORT, THE GOVERNMENTS ARE ENORMOUS, SO COMPLEX, SO MANY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS AND SO MR. EMPLOYERS — MANY EMPLOYERS AND SO MANY WORK RULES, IT HAS GOTTEN TOO LARGE FOR ANY HUMAN BEING, HUMAN ORGANIZATION TO MANAGE IN AN EFFICIENT WAY.>>ROSEMARY: CHANTAL.>>IT MAKES YOU SHUTTER AT THE MESS THAT SOME PROVINCES MAY THINK OF THE SALE OF CANNABIS WHEN YOU THINK OF THE INCAPACITY OF GOVERNMENTS TO DO BASIC THINGS PROPERLY. BOTTOM LINE, UNLESS IT IS FIXED, THE LETTERS WHETHER THAT — THE LIBERALS — EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN’T START IT WILL END UP WEARING IT IN THE NEXT ELECTION. NOT BECAUSE MOST CANADIANS ARE TOUCHED BY THE PROBLEM, BUT BECAUSE IT STANDS TO BECOME KIND OF A SYMBOL OF AN INCAPACITY TO RESOLVE ISSUES AND THERE IS LITTLE THAT IS MORE BASIC THAN GETTING PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR YOU THEIR PAYCHECKS.>>Rosemary: WE ARE ON THE THIRD MINISTER NOW TO TRY AND SOLVE IT. RALPH GOODALE HAD IT. NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED. IT IS HARD TO FIRE UNIONIZED EMPLOYEES. SOMEONE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.>>IF THE LIBERALS ARE GUILTY OF ANYTHING, IT IS THE EXTENDED BOUT OF WISHFUL THINKING. THE AUDITOR GENERAL CHRONICLES A PERIOD. ALMOST AS SOON AS THE GOVERNMENT WAS ELECTED, THEY GAVE FREQUENT BRIEFINGS ON THE STATE OF THE PHOENIX PAY SYSTEM. THEY WERE ESSENTIALLY KIDDING THEMSELVES ABOUT THE REAL SCALE OF THE PROBLEM. IT IS WORSE THAN THEY SAID. IT WAS WORSE THAN THEY ADMITTED. IT WILL TAKE MORE RESOURCES THAN THEY ADMITTED EVEN TO DATE. AND MEANWHILE, EVERY WEEK FOR DOZENS OF KILOMETRES IN EVERY DIRECTION OUTSIDE OF OTTAWA, LARGE PORTIONS OF THE POPULATION ARE EITHER GETTING UNDER PAID, OR OVER PAID AND WILL BE ASKED TO PAY THE EXTRA MONEY BACK. AND SO THIS GRINDS WEEK AFTER WEEK. MOST PUBLIC SERVANTS I TALKED TO HAD PHOENIX PAY PROBLEMS.>>ROSEMARY: I WANT TO SWITCH TO THE HOUSING ANNOUNCEMENT. IT WAS PART OF THE ELECTION PLATFORM. YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO DELIVER. BUT THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES THERE. HERE IS WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID.>>PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU: WE WILL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES TO MAKE SURE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A KEY ACHIEVABLE PRIORITY. TO HELP THEM EXECUTE AN AMBITIOUS HOUSING AGENDA, WE WILL BE INVESTING NEARLY $20 BILLION IN PROVINCIAL AND TERRITORIAL HOUSING PROGRAMS OVER 12 YEARS.>>ROSEMARY: THE PART HE DOES NOT MENTION THERE IS THE PROVINCES HAVE TO PONY UP CASH AS WELL. CHANTAL, IS THIS AS SIGNIFICANT AS IT SEEMS IF WE DON’T KNOW THE PROVINCES WILL DO THIS OR NOT?>>I THINK IT IS SIGNIFICANT IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAS BEEN YEARS, MORE THAN A DECADE, NOT JUST IN SOCIAL HOUSING, BUT SINCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN UP FRONT ABOUT A SOCIAL MEASURE OF THAT MAGNITUDE. WHETHER IT IS GOING TO WORK IS VERY MUCH AN OPEN QUESTION. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THIS — WITH PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE AS FRIENDLY TO THEM AS THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT. QUEBEC HAS SAID IT WANTS A DEAL THAT RESPECTS ITS CAPACITY TO MANAGE THE FILE. THERE MAY BE NEW GOVERNMENTS IN ONTARIO OR ALBERTA OR ELSEWHERE WHO ARE GOING TO SAY MAYBE THAT IS NOT OUR PRIORITY OR THE WAY WE WANT TO GO.>>ROSEMARY: I WONDER, ANDREW, HOW MUCH OF THIS WAS A PLAY TO THE PROGRESSIVE — THAT THEY COURTED IN THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN. THEY HAD TO DO THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, IN FACT THE N.D.P. AND OTHERS LEFT WING — MORE LEFT LEANING PARTIES WOULD SAY THIS IS CENTRAL TO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.>>IT IS A COMMON THEME WITH THE GOVERNMENT. THEY THROW THE HAT OVER THE WALL AND FIGURE OUT LATER HOW TO RETRIEVE IT. IT IS A QUESTION IN MY MIND WHAT ABOUT HOUSING IS A FEDERAL ROLE. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HOUSING BENEFIT, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO BE PORTABLE AND YOU WANT PEOPLE TO MOVE FROM PROVINCE TO PROVINCIAL, — PROVINCE. BUILDINGS ARE A PROVINCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, THEY — THE FEDS GET INTO THE SHARED COST WITH THE PROVINCES, THEY DISTORT THE PROVINCE’S PRIORITIES, THEY MAY HAVE OTHER THINGS THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE SAME MONEY, WITH EQUALLY PRESSING PRIORITIES. AND YOU GET INTO THE SAME FINGER POINTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY. WE NEED TO GO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION IN MY VIEW OF HAVING GOVERNMENTS MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYERS RATHER THAN THE SHARED COST PROGRAMS.>>ROSEMARY: PAUL?>>I DON’T WANT TO BE TOO DOWN ON THIS PROPOSAL.>>ROSEMARY: YOU ARE ALLOWED TO APPLAUD IT.>>WE SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF THE PANEL TALKING ABOUT HOW OFTEN THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL. IF IT WORKS AS THE FEDS HOPE, IT WILL BE THE ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THEY DID. IT IS RARE THAT ANY GOVERNMENT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS HAS PUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO FIXING THE PROBLEMS OF THE POOREST CANADIANS. THERE IS TOO MUCH PREOCCUPATION ON THE SUPPOSEDLY FORGOTTEN MIDDLE CLASS. BUT WHEN YOU HELP THE POOREST CANADIANS FIND HOUSING, YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC HEALTH BENEFITS AND SUBSTANTIAL BENEFITS ON REDUCING CRIME OVER THE LONG-TERM. SO I THINK THAT’S WHY A LOT OF BIG CITY MAYORS WERE PLEASED TO HEAR THIS. THEY HAVE BEEN PRAYING FOR INTERVENTION ON THE SCALE FOR SOME TIME.>>ROSEMARY: ANDREW’S POINT IS A GOOD ONE. I THINK PAUL, IS SAYING ABOUT THE MAYORS, THEY DID WANT THIS. I TALKED TO THE MAYOR HUNDREDS OF TIMES. THEY DID WANT IT. BUT SHOULD THEY NOT BE LEADING THE CHARGE RATHER THAN — TAKING THE MONEY OFF AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO SOLVE IT.>>THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT IS THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE MAY BE A ROLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT IN THESE RESPECTS. AS I SAID, I WANT TO SAY I THINK THAT HOUSING BENEFITS THE POOR — LET THEM FIND THEIR OWN HOUSING WITH THE FEDERAL CASH. THAT IS GOOD. BECAUSE THAT DOES INVOLVE A FEDERAL IDEA THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO MOVE FROM PROVINCE TO PROVINCE. THE REST I AM NOT SURE.>>THERE IS THE HISTORY OF IT AND IT IS THE HISTORY OF MEDICARE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND SAYS, HERE WE HAVE THESE BILLIONS. COME AND JOIN US. AND THEN WHEN FINANCES GET TIGHT AND THEY MAY FEDERALLY, THEY PULL OUT. WHICH IS HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACTED WITH SOCIAL HOUSING AT THE TIME OF THE LET’S BALANCE THE BOOKS ERA UNDER JEAN CHRETIEN.>>THE BEST THING TO DO IS BE EASIER ON THEM WHEN THEY UNPULL OUT WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.>>IF YOU FORCE PROVINCES TO COMMIT TO A PROGRAM AND YOU WALK AWAY OR SAY MY SHARE — UNILATERALLY WHICH IS HOW THEY ACTED WITH MEDICARE AND HOW THEY ACTED WITH SOCIAL HOUSING, IT DOESN’T MAKE FOR PROVINCES TO SAY LET’S BUY INTO THIS GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE WILL BE LEFT TO SUSTAIN WHEN THEY DECIDE THAT THEY SHOULD BALANCE THE BOOKS.>>ROSEMARY: CHANTAL GETS THE LAST WORD.>>>GOOD NEWS IF YOU LOVE POLITICS AS MUCH AS I DO, CANADA’S MOST WATCHED POLITICAL PANEL IS A POD CAST. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR CHANTAL AND ANDREW AND OTHERS, SUBSCRIBE. YOU GET EXTRA CONTENT AND THE MAIN PANEL IN POD CAST FORM EVERY WEEK. LOOK FOR IT ON ITUNES. ANY PODCAST APP AND ON OUR WEBSITE, CBC.CA/THENATIONAL.>>ADRIENNE: LEBANON MAY BE TINY. IT IS A MIRROR OF THE MIDDLE EAST. IT IS FRAGILE AND REALLY DANGEROUS. THE LEADER WHO IS TRYING TO HOLD IT TOGETHER IS BOWING OUT. [*]>>ADRIENNE: LEBANON’S PRIME MINISTER ISSUED A PLEA FOR UNITY AND STABILITY TODAY IN THE MIDST OF THAT COUNTRY’S ONGOING POLITICAL CRISIS. THIS IS A PLACE STILL AT RISK OF BEING TORN APART. HARIRI IS DETERMINED TO KEEP LEBANON NEUTRAL. THAT IS A TALL ORDER FOR A TINY COUNTRY OFTEN CAUGHT UP IN A CONFLICT WITH BIGGER NEIGHBOURS. AT ONE TIME, IT LOOKED LIKE HE JUST MIGHT DO IT. AS NAHLAH AYED EXPLAINS, THE FUTURE IS MORE UNCERTAIN.>>REPORTER: LEBANON IS A COUNTRY FOREVER CHANGED FOR WHAT SPILLS OVER FROM NEIGHBOURS. THE SHARPEST REGIONAL DIVIDE AT PLAY HERE RIGHT NOW IS BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN. BOTH COUNTRIES BACK FACTIONS HERE AND THOSE FACTIONS ARE OFTEN AT ODDS. THE PRIME MINISTER HARIRI, HEAD OF THE FUTURE PARTY IS A DUAL LEBANESE, SAUDI CITIZEN. HIS POLITICAL CAREER LAUNCHED. HIS FATE SHAPED BY HIS FATHER’S ASSASSINATION. ON TRIAL AT THE HAGUE ARE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE HEZBOLLAH. THE LEBANESE GROUP. LES — HEZBOLLAH IT IS A SHIA LEBANESE GROUP WITH SUBSTANTIAL MILITARY ARMIES. IT IS ALIGNED WITH AND SUPPORTED BY IRAN. AND ITS FIGHTER ARE ACTIVE IN SYRIA AND IRAQ. LAST YEAR, HARIRI AND HEZBOLLAH PUT ASIDE HUGE DIFFERENCES ONCE PLAYED OUT IN DUELLING PROTESTS HERE IN THE SQUARE AND JOINED FORCES. HARIRI’S DECISION REDREW THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE. LEBANON SETTLED INTO RELATIVE QUIET. ON THE DAY OF A SAUDI… LET BY THE CROWNED PRINCE, THERE WAS A MISSILE ATTACK FROM YEMEN TO RIYADH WHICH SAUDI BLAMED ON HEZBOLLAH. HARIRI WAS SUMONED TO THE SAUDI CAPITAL. HE SURPRISED EVERYONE BY RESIGNING FROM SAUDI ARABIA. THEN, HE DISAPPEARED PRETTY MUCH FROM VIEW. FROM THE START, THE CASE OF THE MISSING LEBANESE PRIME MINISTER STRAYED LOUDLY FROM THE MAINSTREAM OF THE USUAL PLOT OF THE MIDDLE EAST. ANGRY ALLEGATIONS OF HARIRI A HOSTAGE. A CROSS PARTY CAMPAIGN DEMANDED HIS RETURN. IN A STRANGE INTERVIEW, HARIRI INSISTED HE WAS A FREE MAN AND YET, JUST WASN’T HIMSELF. AND WHAT TO MAKE OF A MAN WITH A PAPER CAUGHT BRIEFLY ON CAMERA TO HARIRI’S OBVIOUS DISDAIN. THE HEZBOLLAH LEADER, ACCUSED SAUDI OF MEDDLING. BOTH ACCUSE THE OTHER DECLARING OF WAR. THE FRENCH PRESIDENT INTERVENED AND SOMEHOW EXTRICATED HARIRI. THE NIGHT HE ARRIVED, HE WENT TO HIS FATHER’S GRAVE IN MARTYR SQUARE. COME INDEPENDENCE DAY, HARIRI HAD COME BACK FROM THE POLITICAL DEATH WITH A RENEWED PURPOSE. THE BORN AGAIN PURPOSE THAT — MESSAGE THAT LEBANON MUST STAY OUT OF THE REGION’S TROUBLES. A MESSAGE DIRECTED AT IRAN BACKED HEZBOLLAH WHICH HAS FIGHTERS IN SYRIA AND IRAQ, AND IS ALSO A PARTY IN THE COALITION GOVERNMENT. HEZBOLLAH SAID THEY ARE WILLING TO TALK. BUT CAN LEBANON EXTRICATE ITSELF FROM THE FORCES OF REGIONAL POWER? IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE, THE UNCERTAINTY HERE IS AS RELIABLE AS THE LAPPING OF THE WAVES. CBC NEWS, BEIRUT.>>ADRIENNE: WHEN WE COME BACK, SHE WON THE LOTTERY, BUT THAT WAS JUST THE BEGINNING OF THE GOOD NEWS FOR A NEWFOUNDLAND WOMAN BATTLING CANCER.>>MY PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED. IF I DON’T GET MIRACLE NUMBER 2 ON A CURE. I GOT MIRACLE NUMBER ONE THAT MY [*]>>ON THE NATIONAL, THERE ARE BIG QUESTION MARKS AROUND A DEAL BETWEEN MYANMAR AND BANGLADESH TO ALLOW ROHINGYA REFUGEES TO RETURN HOME. MANY FLED TO BANGLADESH AFTER A CRACKDOWN BY THE MILITARY. THE DEAL TO ALLOW THE REFUGEES TO GO BACK HOME. WE DON’T KNOW HOW SAFE THEY WILL BE WHEN THEY RETURN. OR WHETHER THEIR HOMES ARE STILL STANDING.>>>WE ARE KEEPING AN IDEA ON ZIMBABWE. THE CROWDS CHEERING AS MNANGAGWA RETURNED TO THE CAPITAL. HE WILL BE SWORN IN AS THE NEW PRESIDENT IN HOURS. AS FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT, MUGABE, HE HAS BEEN GRANTED IMMUNITY. HE WILL NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR ALLEGED CRIMES COMMITTED DURING HIS TIME AS PRESIDENT.>>>LOOK AT THAT, THE CREWS ARE CLEANING UP TONIGHT AFTER A SERIES OF MUDSLIDES ON THE TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY. IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. THIS MESS IS JUST EAST OF VANCOUVER IN THE FRASER VALLEY. THE SLIDE HERE HAPPENED TO QUICKLY, THAT THREE PEOPLE HAD TO BE RESCUED AFTER THE VEHICLE WERE TRAPPED. THE CREWS HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE THIS AFTERNOON TO CLEAR THE MUD AND THE BROKEN TREES. THERE IS SO MUCH DEBRIT. THE HIGHWAY IS NOT EXPECTED TO FULLY REOPEN UNTIL SATURDAY.>>Adrienne: A STORY THAT TOOK THE TWIST TONIGHT AND IT IS OUR MOMENT OF THE DAY. DIANE BISHOP LIVES IN NEWFOUNDLAND. SHE IS BATTLING STAGE 4 BREAST CANCER. AND HER TREATMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING AND SHE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY. THE STRANGERS HAVE BEEN PITCHING IN TO HELP HER PAY FOR A NEW TREATMENT IN TORONTO. THE TWIST TODAY, IT TURNS OUT SHE WON THE LOTTERY.>>THIS IS SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE. MIRACLES AND DREAMS HAPPEN. WELL, NOW, FOR ME IF I GO TO TORONTO DO CLINICAL TRIALS, THE MONEY IS NOT AN OBJECT. I CAN HAVE MY FAMILY COME WITH ME. I DON’T HAVE TO BE ALONE. IT FEELS LIKE I HAVE A CHANCE TO SURVIVE. I HAVE FINANCIAL BACKING TO GO WHERE I NEED TO FIGHT THIS.>>Adrienne: THAT IS NOT WHERE THE STORY ENDS. DIANE VISITED HER DOCTOR AND RECEIVED ANOTHER DOSE OF GOOD NEWS.>>Interview: I GOT MY NEWS, THIS IS THE ONLY CHEMO SO FAR THAT WORKED FOR ME. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TORONTO ON THE CLINICAL TRIAL. WE WILL STAY HERE AND WE WILL TRY IT. I GOT MY WISH. I AM HOME FOR CHRISTMAS.>>Adrienne: HER HEALTH MEANS THE MOST. DIANE SAID TODAY THAT SHE HAS BEEN WORRIED ABOUT LOOKING AFTER HER SONS FINANCIALLY AND THAT WORRY HAS GONE AWAY.>>Andrew: AND APPARENTLY SHE WON’T HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE. SHE HAD A JOB AT A CONVENIENCE STORE AND DECIDED TO RETIRE. AND YOU COULD NOT SEE ON THE CHEQUE, THE PRIZE WAS $1.5 MILLION. FOR HER, A PRETTY PENNY.>>Rosemary: I WAS WONDERING HOW MUCH. I AM GLAD YOU RESEARCHED THAT. I WAS THINKING, THEY SAY WE WILL BUY A NEW CAR WHEN PEOPLE WIN, IT WAS THE PERFECT PERSON WHO WON.>>Adrienne: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. THAT IS THE NATIONAL FOR NOVEMBER 23RD.

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