The National for Sunday April 16, 2017


>>Wendy: GOOD EVENING, I’M WENDY MESLEY. THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” [♪♪♪]>>>NORTH KOREA SWAGGER UNDER CUT BY EMBARRASSING FAILURE. THAT WILL NOT COOL GLOBAL HOT SPOTS.>>UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP’S LEADERSHIP, OUR RESOLVE HAS NEVER BEEN STRONGER.>>Wendy: WHAT TO EXPECT NOW THAT TRUMP HAS FOUND THE TRIGGER.>>>THESE MEN SEEM BOUND TO COLLIDE.>>WE HAVE ONE MAN COMING UP AGAINST ANOTHER MAN WITH A MISSION.>>Wendy: WE GET INSIGHT.>>>TURKEY’S PRESIDENT SAID HE IS ONE GREATER POWER. THE OPPOSITION SAYS, NOT SO FAST.>>>PLUS, A TRIO OF PR DISASTERS.>>OH, MY GOD!>>Wendy: A SUNDAY TALK ON UTTER CONDEMNATION. AND HOW TO GET PAST IT. [♪♪♪]>>>THE KOREAN PENINSULA IS INCREASINGLY BRISTLING WITH WEAPONS. AND BRIMMING WITH TALK OF WAR. INTO THE BOILING CAULDRON OF MISTRUST AND MILITARIZATION, TODAY NORTH KOREA LAUNCHED ANOTHER MISSILE. THIS WAS NOT A NUCLEAR TEST. IT WAS A MISSILE TEST THAT FAILED. BUT IT SUCCEEDED IN RAISING TENSIONS. OUR ASIA CORRESPONDENT SASA PETRICIC HAS MORE FROM PYONGYANG. A REMINDER, HE IS ACCOMPANIED BY A NORTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVE.>>Reporter: THE LAUNCH HAPPENED AROUND DAWN ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF NORTH KOREA. AND SOUTH KOREAN AND AMERICAN OFFICIALS SAID THAT THE MISSILE FLEW A FEW SECONDS BEFORE EXPLODING. TOO SHORT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF MISSILE IT WAS. THIS HAPPENS AT A TIME OF RISING TENSION IN THE REGION. ESPECIALLY BETWEEN PYONGYANG AND WASHINGTON. IT ALSO COMES JUST A DAY AFTER A HUGE MILITARY PARADE HERE IN PYONGYANG. WHERE THE NORTH KOREAN LEADER, KIM JUNG-UN, DISPLAYED HIS MISSILE ARSENAL. WE SAW SOME WE NEVER SAW BEFORE. ONE THAT SEEMED TO BE A NEW MODEL OF AN INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILE. THAT CAME WITH NEW WARNINGS. SOME THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES. THAT NORTH KOREA IS READY FOR ALL-OUT WAR, EVEN NUCLEAR WAR IF THAT IS WHAT IS COMES TO. SO FAR, THE REACTION TO ALL OF THIS SEEMS TO BE QUITE SUBDUED. HERE IN PYONGYANG, FOR INSTANCE, FAMILIES WERE OUT FOR THEIR SUNDAY WALK. THEY WERE VISITING A FLOWER SHOW. AND THEY WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MISSILE OR HOW IT FAILED. IN FACT, MOST PEOPLE IN NORTH KOREA DON’T EVEN SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT THIS LAUNCH. THEY ONLY TALKED ABOUT THE NUCLEAR ISSUE WHEN WE ASKED THEM ABOUT IT. HE SAID WE HAVE TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS BECAUSE IF THE AMERICANS DO INVADE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DEFEND OURSELVES WITH. MANY PEOPLE HERE BELIEVE THAT AN AMERICAN INVASION IS INEVITABLE. AS FOR THE AMERICANS, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE ARRIVED IN SEOUL TODAY TO REASSURE SOUTH KOREANS OF THE CONTINUED PRESENCE OF U.S. TROOPS. WHO HE VISITED AND THANKED.>>THIS MORNING’S PROVOCATION FROM THE NORTH IS JUST THE LATEST REMINDER OF THE RISKS EACH ONE OF YOU FACE EVERY DAY.>>Reporter: THE REACTION WAS PRETTY LOW KEY COMPARED TO PREVIOUS THREATENING TWEETS FROM PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. BESIDES, THEY REALLY DON’T HAVE MUCH OF A GOOD MILITARY OPTION WITHOUT STARTING A WAR. SASA PETRICIC, CBC NEWS, PYONGYANG.>>Wendy: AS MENTIONED, THE OBSERVERS WERE NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF MISSILE NORTH KOREA TESTED. PYONGYANG IS WORKING ON A VARIETY OF RANGES AND ENGINE DESIGNS. ANALYSTS BELIEVE IT IS MEDIUM RANGE MISSILES ARE CAPABLE OF HITTING SOUTH KOREA AND JAPAN. NORTH KOREA HAS REPEATEDLY TESTED LONGER RANGE MISSILE THAT COULD REACH AS FAR AS THE U.S. MILITARY BASIN JUAM. THE MISSILES TYPICALLY HAVE A HIGH TRAJECTORY. THEY CAN REACH SUB ORBITAL HEIGHTS. IF PERFECTED, ITS MOST ADVANCED ICBM COULD HIT THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.>>>NORTH KOREA’S LATEST PROVOCATIONS ADD TO THE SENSE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS PUNCHING DEEPER INTO THE WORLD’S CRISIS. WITH AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER HERE. AND TOMAHAWK MISSILES THERE. DONALD TRUMP IS STRAYING FURTHER FROM A MAJOR PILLAR OF HIS POLITICAL BRAND. PAUL HUNTER EXPLAINS >>President Donald Trump: FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, IT WILL ONLY BE AMERICA FIRST. AMERICA FIRST.>>Reporter: IT WAS A KEY DECLARATION IN DONALD TRUMP’S INAUGURAL ADDRESS. ECHOING A THEME OF HIS CAMPAIGN. PUT CONCERNS OF OTHER COUNTRIES AFTER U.S. TRUMP MAY BE THINKING EASIER SAID THAN DONE. HIS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER WAS KABUL WITH AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA FRONT ON MIND. ON NORTH KOREA, UNDERLINING A PEACEFUL ENDING TO THE NUCLEAR AMBITIONS OF THE COUNTRY IS POSSIBLE, BUT ALL OPTIONS REMAIN OPEN.>>Interview: THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE CLEAR HE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE UNITED STATES AND ITS ALLIES AND PARTNERS IN THE REGION BEING UNDER THREAT FROM THIS HOSTILE REGIME WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS.>>Reporter: McMASTER IS IN KABUL IN THE WAKE OF THAT MASSIVE BOMB STRIKE IN EASTERN AFGHANISTAN BY U.S. FORCES LAST WEEK. IT TARGETED ISIS, BUT THE GROWING THREAT IN THAT COUNTRY IS THE TALIBAN. THERE ARE STILL A FEW THOUSAND AMERICAN TROOPS THERE TRAINING AFGHAN SOLDIERS, BUT THE TALIBAN IS GAINING GROUND. AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOW SAID TO BE CONSIDERING SENDING MORE U.S. TROOPS TO HELP OUT.>>THIS IS REALLY THE MODERN-DAY FRONTIER BETWEEN BARBISM AND CIVILIZATION. THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR A RANGE OF OPTIONS. WE WILL GIVE HIM THOSE OPTIONS.>>Reporter: FACTOR IN THE U.S. CRUISE MISSILE STRIKE ON SYRIA TEN DAYS AGO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY IS THE TALK OF THE PLANET. BACK HOME, PEOPLE WONDER WHAT IS THE POLICY? WHAT IS TRUMP’S PLAN FOR SYRIA AFGHANISTAN AND BEYOND?>>WE HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY. SO FAR THE STRATEGY IS NOT APPARENT.>>Reporter: EVEN IF THE GOALS ARE, SAID REGIME CHANGE IN SYRIA AND DESTROY ISIS, OTHERS CAUTION…>>I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE UNITED STATES GET SUCKED INTO PERPETUAL WARFARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. OUR MEN AND WOMEN GET KILLED. TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT.>>Reporter: BERNIE SANDERS SAID WHY GET DRAGGED INTO OTHER WARS WHEN THERE ARE SERIOUS NEEDS IN THIS COUNTRY. DONALD TRUMP, MAY WELL HAVE APPLAUDED.>>Wendy: TURKISH PRESIDENT ERDOGAN DECLARED VICTORY IN A HISTORIC REFERENDUM TODAY THAT WOULD GRANT HIM SWEEPING NEW POWERS. THE OPPOSITION SAID IT IS A RECIPE FOR DICTATORSHIP AND PLANS TO CHALLENGE IT. THE CBC HAS BEEN WATCHING THE VOTE FROM ISTANBUL.>>Reporter: WENDY, IT IS THE YES OR NO QUESTION THAT THE PRESIDENT ERDOGAN HAS WANTED TURKS TO ANSWER FOR YEARS. TODAY, HE GOT THE RESPONSE HE WAS LOOKING FOR. BUT JUST BARELY. IT IS A WIN. AND PRESIDENT ERDOGAN AND HIS SUPPORTERS SAID THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE SLIM MARGIN OF VICTORY. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BELITTLE THE RESULTS, ERDOGAN SCREAMED. THEY SHOULD NOT WASTE THEIR TIME. ERDOGAN’S OPPOSITION SAID HOLD ON. IT IS CHALLENGING MORE THAN 2 MILLION BALLOTS. IN PART BECAUSE THEY ALLEGE ENVELOPES HOLDING THOSE BALLOTS AT SOME POLLING STATIONS DIDN’T HAVE AN OFFICIAL SEAL. A WIN MEANS OVERHAULING TURKEY’S POLITICAL SYSTEM ENTIRELY. GIVING THE PRESIDENT A WIDE SWATH OF NEW POWERS BEGINNING IN 2019. STABILITY, HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE INSISTED. A DICTATORSHIP, THOSE OPPOSED WORRY. THIS WOMAN IS ELATED. WE WILL HAVE A NEIGHBOURHOOD PARTY, SHE SAID. SHE BELIEVES IN ERDOGAN. IN HER HOUSE, SHE IS HIS LONE SUPPORTER. HER SON VOTED NO.>>THE PRESIDENT’S POWER WILL BE GIGANTIC. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.>>Reporter: THEY REPRESENT THE EVEN SPLIT IN THE COUNTRY. BUT SAID THEY REFUSE TO FALL PREY TO THE ANGER DIVIDING SO MUCH OF THE COUNTRY. THE DIFFERENCE OF POLITICAL OPINION DESPITE SECURITY PRECAUTIONS IS BEING CLAIMED FOR A SHOOTING AND THREE DEATHS OUTSIDE A POLLING STATION IN THE SOUTHEAST. AND NOW, NAGGING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FAIRNESS OF THE VOTE. EVEN IF THOSE QUESTIONS DON’T CHANGE THE OUTCOME, ERDOGAN’S NARROW WIN IS TELLING. DESPITE MONOPOLIZING MOST OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE, HE COULD NOT CONVINCE MORE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY TO SIDE WITH HIM. BUT THIS 18-YEAR-OLD SAID HER SUPPORT NEVER WAIVERED. ERDOGAN IS THE ONLY LEADER SHE HAS EVER KNOWN. I WOULD SAY DEMOCRACY HAS WON. YES, SHE SAID. THE ELECTION COMMISSION SAID THE YES SIDE DID WIN MORE VOTES IN THIS REFERENDUM. BUT THE OFFICIAL RESULTS WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL AT LEAST 11 DAYS FROM NOW. WHAT IS NEXT FOR TURKEY? WELL, TONIGHT, THAT STATEMENT STILL ENDS IN A QUESTION MARK. WENDY.>>Wendy: THANK YOU.>>>ANOTHER SHOCKING CRIME INVOLVING SOCIAL MEDIA TO TELL YOU ABOUT. THE POLICE IN CLEVELAND ARE HUNTING A SUSPECT WHO ALLEGEDLY SHOT AND KILLED A 74-YEAR-OLD MAN LIVE ON FACEBOOK EARLIER TODAY. THE SUSPECT STEVE STEPHENS IS BELIEVED TO HAVE SELECTED HIS VICTIM AT RANDOM WHILE DRIVING AROUND IN HIS CAR. THE POLICE SAID HE IS ARMED AND DANGEROUS. HIS FACEBOOK ACCOUNT HAS BEEN DEACTIVATED. BUT THE VIDEO OF THE ALLEGED MURDER WAS SAID TO BE UP FOR SEVERAL HOURS. STEPHENS CLAIMED IN A SEPARATE VIDEO TODAY THAT HE HAS KILLED OVER A DOZEN OTHER PEOPLE AND WILL NOT STOP UNTIL HE IS CAUGHT. CLEVELAND POLICE STRESS THAT NO OTHER VICTIMS HAVE BEEN FOUND.>>>COMING UP… THE JOURNALIST BRINGS UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO A CLASH OF GLOBAL EGOS.>>>A STATE OF EMERGENCY HAS BEEN DECLARED IN NORTHERN ONTARIO’S FIRST NATION DUE TO FLOODING. A PRECAUTIONARY EVACUATION WAS ARRANGED. PROVINCIAL AND FIRST NATIONS ORGANIZATIONS ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MOVE THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE COMMUNED NOW. THEY HAVE DEALT WITH SEVERE FLOODING FOR YEARS.>>>AND FLOODING IS ALSO PUSHED 100 PEOPLE OUT OF MANITOBA’S CREE NATION FOR THE TIME BEING. ICE BLOCKS WASHED OUT ROADS. THE CANADIAN RED CROSS IS HELPING ARRANGE FOOD AND SHELTER UNTIL THE WATER RECEDES.>>>A DEAL MEANT TO HELP SYRIAN CIVILIANS ESCAPE FIGHTING NEAR ALEPPO IS IN DOUBT. AFTER A DEVASTATING EXPLOSION AT AN EVACUATION POINT KILLED MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE, INCLUDING DOZENS OF CHILDREN. GOVERNMENT FORCES AND REBEL GROUPS BLAME EACH OTHER FOR THE BLAST. REBECCA COLLARD HAS THE STORY.>>Reporter: THIS IS THE MOMENT AFTER THE HORRIFIC BLAST. BODIES ON THE GROUND, CIVILIANS AND REBEL FIGHTERS RUSHED INTO AMBULANCES, THE FIREFIGHTERS STRUGGLED TO PUT OUT STILL BURNING VEHICLES. GUNFIRE RANG OUT WHILE THE VICTIMS WERE ASSISTED. DOZENS OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN, WERE TREATED IN A NEARBY HOSPITAL. THE RESIDENTS ARE FROM TWO TOWNS BESIEGED BY OPPOSITION REBELS. AND SEEN AS SUPPORTIVE OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE SYRIAN PRESIDENT ASSAD. THE EVACUATION WAS PART OF THE DEAL THAT WOULD SEE SAFE PASSAGE OUT FOR RESIDENTS OF TWO REBEL-HELD TOWNS BESIEGED BY GOVERNMENT FORCES. BUT THE AGREEMENT HAD ALREADY STARTED TO BREAK DOWN. AS EACH SIDE ACCUSED THE OTHER OF BREAKING THE TERMS. THE VICTIMS ON THE BUSES HAD ALREADY BEEN WAITING FOR HOURS TO CROSS INTO GOVERNMENT-HELD TERRITORY. NO ONE HAS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY. AND BOTH THE GOVERNMENT AND OPPOSITION HAVE CONDEMNED THE BOMBING. ALONG WITH INTERNATIONAL LEADERS. POPE FRANCIS CONDEMNED IT IN HIS EASTER ADDRESS. YESTERDAY’S WAS THE LATEST ATTACK ON FLEEING REFUGEES, HE SAID. CAUSING NUMEROUS DEATHS AND INJURIES. EVENTUALLY THE BUSES STARTED TO MOVE AGAIN. UNDER THE DEAL AS MANY AS 30,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER SIEGE WILL LEAVE THEIR VILLAGES. REBECCA COLLARD, CBC NEWS, JERUSALEM.>>Wendy: CHURCH SERVICES WERE HELD AROUND THE WORLD TODAY TO MARK EASTER. HUNDREDS OF PILGRIMS ATTENDED MASS AT THE CHURCH IN JERUSALEM’S OLD CITY. IT IS BELIEVED TO BE WHERE JESUS WAS ENTOMBED AND RESURRECTED.>>>THE POPE DELIVERED A SOLEMN EASTER MESSAGE TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MESSAGES IN ST. PETER’S SQUARE. HE URGED PEOPLE TO HOLD TONIGHT TO FAITH DESPITE SO MUCH EVIL AND SUFFERING IN THE WORLD. THE VATICAN WAS UNDER HEIGHTENED SECURITY FOLLOWING RECENT ATTACKS IN LONDON, STOCKHOLM AND EGYPT.>>>STRAIGHT AHEAD, THE TRUMP, PUTIN RELATIONSHIP IS PUTTING THE WORLD ON EDGE. WE HAVE A FRESH INSIGHT IN A Hi, I’m Wendy Mesley,
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in the next break. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪>>Wendy: EGO, AMBITION AND WILL. ATTRIBUTES THAT DEFINE BOTH DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. FOR A TIME, THE TWO PRESIDENTS SANG EACH OTHER’S PRAISES. AFTER U.S. MISSILE STRIKES ON SYRIA, THERE IS WORRY. THIS JOURNALIST COVERED BOTH EXTENSIVELY AND SEEING FIRSTHAND HOW PUTIN OPERATE, SHE HAS WARNINGS FOR AMERICA UNDER TRUMP. OUR CONVERSATION IN A MOMENT. FIRST A LITTLE BACK STORY. BEFORE BECOMING PRESIDENT, DONALD TRUMP HAD STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN SYRIA. TWEETING, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA. THERE IS NO UPSIDE. TREMENDOUS DOWNSIDE. WE SHOULD STAY THE HELL OUT OF SYRIA. LAST WEEK, HE CHANGED HIS TUNE. HE LAUNCHED A MISSILE ATTACK AGAINST SYRIA, RUSSIA’S CHIEF ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THE MISSILE ATTACK IS SEEN AS AN ABRUPT END TO A MUTUAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY.>>President Donald Trump: RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT GETTING ALONG WITH RUSSIA AT ALL.>>Wendy: IT IS ALL HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME AS SUSPICIONS BY U.S. INTELLIGENCE AND SENIOR LAWMAKERS THAT RUSSIANS HELPED TRUMP WIN THE ELECTION. THE SCRUTINY LED TO THE SACKING OF TRUMP’S NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR AND THREE INVESTIGATIONS INTO POSSIBLE TIES BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIAN OPERATIVES. THE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THAT RUSSIAN PROBE. RUSSIAN AMERICAN JOURNALIST IS AN OUTSPOKEN CRITIC OF PUTIN. SHE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HIM AND WRITES EXTENSIVE ABOUT RUSSIAN/U.S. RELATIONS AND SHE WARNS AMERICANS ARE ABOUT TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS LIKE TO LIVE UNDER AUTOCRATIC RULE. I SAT DOWN WITH HER EARLIER IN TORONTO. SO NICE TO MEET YOU. WE KEPT HEARING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AS PUTIN’S PUPPET. THE LAST FEW DAYS, THEY DON’T TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE. A BIG CHANGE.>>I HAD SOMEONE ASKED ME IF IT WAS A CONSPIRACY TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK HE IS NOT PUTIN’S PUPPET. IT IS SO GRIM. I SAID IT WOULD BE THE SHORTEST IN HISTORY. THEY MAY HAVE SET A RECORD. THERE IS NO WAY THAT TWO MEN THAT ARE SO AGGRESSIVE, WHO HAVE NO STRATEGY, EITHER OF THEM AND WANT TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN IN THE WORLD, AND THEY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT MEN IN THE WORLD.>>President Donald Trump: EVEN BEAUTIFUL BABIES WERE CRUELLY MURDERED IN THIS VERY BARBARIC ATTACK.>>Wendy: IT WAS FASCINATE WATCHING HIM IN THE NEWS CONFERENCE AFTER THE MISSILES LANDED AND TALKING ABOUT THE PICTURES OF THE CHILDREN, THE BABIES, THE BABIES. WAS THAT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION TO THE MISSILE LAUNCH?>>Interview: I THINK THAT TRUMP ONLY HAS EMOTIONAL REACTIONS. IT IS NOT LIKE HE HAS INTELLECTUAL REACTIONS. HE IS A MAN WHO COMMUNICATES AND ACTS ON RAW EMOTIONS.>>Wendy: HE IS JUST STARTING OUT. YOU MADE WARNINGS WHEN HE WAS FIRST ELECTED SAYING WATCH WHAT PUTIN DID. WHERE DO YOU SEE HIM GOING, TRUMP?>>Interview: WELL, TRUMP WAS ESSENTIALLY ELECTED TO BE AN AUTOCRAT. IT IS HARD TO BE AN AUTOCRAT IN AMERICA. AMERICA HAS CONGRESS. CONGRESS HAS ELECTED OFFICIALS. YOU CANNOT TELL CONGRESS TO RUBBER STAMP SOME INSANE PIECE OF LEGISLATION. WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO WITH THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. THIS IS SOMETHING OF TRUMP — IT TURNS OUT, HE CANNOT TELL CONGRESS WHAT TO DO. CONGRESS IS NOT A BUSINESS. THAT CREATED THE SET UP FOR GOING TO WAR BECAUSE REALLY THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT CANNOT JUST TELL AMERICANS TO GET IN LINE AND CANNOT JUST EVISCERATE CONGRESS THE WAY PUTIN CAN DO. WHAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DO IS GO TO WAR, WITH UNLIMITED POWER. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE AIR STRIKES IN SYRIA AND IT WILL CONTINUE.>>Wendy: NORTH KOREA NEXT?>>Interview: GOD I HOPE NOT. PROBABLY. POSSIBLY.>>Wendy: IN THE AID OF BEING AN AUTHORITARIAN FIGURE?>>Interview: I THINK HE NEEDS TO SHOW HE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD. HE ALSO HAS A VERY FINE INSTINCT FOR WHAT AUTOCRATS NEED, WHICH IS MOBILIZATION. HE NEEDS TO MOBILIZE AMERICANS BEHIND SOME KIND OF WAR. MOBILIZATION CAN WORK — IT CAN BE A WAR ON MUSLIMS, A WAR ON NORTH KOREA. WARS AT HOME AS YOU WILL FIND OUT SOON ARE BETTER FOR MOBILIZATION THAN WARS ABROAD. WARS ABROAD FOR THE UNITED STATES HAVE A WAY OF BECOMING EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR EXTREMELY FAST. THE FIRST FEW WEEKS, OR THE FIRST FEW STRIKES ARE HUGELY REWARDING AND THEN YOU TURN ON CNN AND ALL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW HE RESPONDED AND HOW — THE HEARTBREAKING PICTURES OF THE BABIES. THIS IS THE BEST COVERAGE HE HAS HAD. HE IS ADDICTED TO COVERAGE.>>Wendy: THERE ARE A LOT OF ALLEGATIONS THAT HIS ADMINISTRATION WAS COMPROMISED BY PUTIN.>>I THINK IT IS A DANGEROUS CONSPIRACY THEORY. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT I THINK THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. WE KNOW TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS, WE KNOW THAT RUSSIAN HACKERS AFFILIATED WITH THE SECURITY APPARATUS HACKED THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. WE CAN SURMISE WITH A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THEY RELEASED THE MATERIALS TO WIKILEAKS. AFTER THAT, WE GET INTO MUSH. AND MY FEAR IS THAT THERE CAN BE A PROLONGED INVESTIGATION THAT WILL PRODUCE — IT WILL NEVER PRODUCE A SMOKING GUN. BECAUSE I DON’T THINK A SMOKING GUN IS THERE. I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF CHAOTIC CONTACTS BETWEEN RUSSIANS AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. AND PART OF THE REASON THERE WERE SO MANY IS BECAUSE THE RUSSIAN — THE NORMAL RUSSIANS OPERATION PAID OFF. WE WILL NOT SEE CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CONTEXT OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THE FACT THAT TRUMP WON.>>Wendy: ALL OF THE TIES TO RUSSIANS AND TAKING MONEY FROM RUSSIANS AND BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH RUSSIANS AND SECRET MEETINGS, THAT IS JUST HAPPENS, JUST COINCIDENTAL.>>IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. IT IS JUST WE DON’T USUALLY SEE THOSE PEOPLE WITH UNSAVOURY CONTACTS ELECTED PRESIDENT. AMERICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR, THEY WERE TOXIC. THEY WILL MEET WHO WILL MEET WITH THEM. JEFF SESSIONS IS A SENATOR NOBODY WAS INTERESTED TO TALK TO UNTIL HE WAS PART OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIANS TALKED TO HIM. THAT IS WHERE I THINK IT IS REALLY DANGEROUS. WHEN IT GETS US INTO TERRITORY WHERE THINGS THAT ARE A NORMAL PART OF POLITICS AND SHOULD CONTINUE TO EXIST BECOME TOXIC. LIKE TALKING TO THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR. AND THAT’S PART OF MY BIGGER ISSUE WITH THE CONSPIRACY THEORY WHICH IS THAT TRUMP IS A CONSPIRACY THEORIST. HE CREATED A GOVERNMENT OF CONSPIRACY THEORIST. THE WAY TO STAND UP TO THAT IS TO FOCUS WHAT IS OUT ON THE OPEN AND RECLAIM OUR SANITY IN THE FACE OF THE CONSPIRACY THEORY. THE WAY TO STAND UP TO THAT IS NOT ENGAGE IN A CONSPIRACY THEORY — HE DID NOT HIJACK THE ELECTION. THE AMERICANS ELECTED TRUMP.>>Wendy: WHAT IF IT IS PROVEN THAT THERE WERE EFFORTS TO HACK AND INFLUENCE THE AMERICAN ELECTION >>Interview: AMERICANS ELECTED TRUMP. HE IS NOT A FOREIGN AGENT. THE RUSSIANS DID NOT ELECT HIM. EVEN THE THEORY THAT IS PUT FORWARD IN THE INTELLIGENCE REPORT THAT CAME OUT IN DECEMBER THAT IS AGENCIES SAYING WE THINK THE RUSSIANS WERE TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION AND TURN IT TO DONALD TRUMP. THE BASIC ARGUMENT IS THEY DID IT THROUGH PROPAGANDA. THEY DID IT BY ACTING OPENLY IN PUBLIC.>>Wendy: THINGS WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE BY OTHER PLAYERS.>>Interview: IT IS A HORRIBLE THING. I DON’T LIKE RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA ESPECIALLY. THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT IT. IT STILL BRINGS US TO THE SAME PLACE THAT AMERICANS ELECTED TRUMP. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE CONSPIRACY THEORY IS THAT IT IS LIKE ALL MAGICAL THINKING, IT WORKS BACKWARDS AND FORWARD. IT IS CALLED UPON TO POINT OUT HOW WE GOT TRUMP BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS GAVE HIM TO US AND IT WILL BE THE SILVER BULLET THAT ONCE IT IS UNCOVERED, HE WILL GET IMPEACHED. I DON’T THINK HE WILL GET IMPEACHED.>>Wendy: WHERE IS THE RELATIONSHIP HEADING RUSSIANS AND AMERICANS?>>Interview: IT IS HEADED FOR A MELTDOWN.>>WE ARE IN COMMERCIAL. IT IS TIME TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. FOR THAT, I HAVE TO STICK MY GLASSES ON. THE FIRST QUESTION IS FROM HAYDEN KING WHO ASKS, HI. WHY IS IT ALL AMERICAN POLITICS ON THE CANADIAN NATIONAL NEWS? IT SEEMS WE HAVE A LOT OF AMERICAN POLITICS TONIGHT. WHEN THE WHOLE TRUMP STORY BLEW A FEW YEARS AGO AND THE DRUM BEATS GOT LOUDER WE SAID WE HAVE TO STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM. AFTER THE ELECTION, A WHILE WE DID. IN THE LAST WEEKS HE IS HARD TO IGNORE WITH THE ATTACKS ON SYRIA AND AFGHANISTAN AND THE THREATS ABOUT NORTH KOREA AND MASHA GESSEN WAS IN TOWN AND WE HAD TO HAVE HER ON. NEXT WEEK WE HAVE TERRY MOSHER OF THE MONTREAL GAZETTE. WE HAVE A LOT MORE CANADIANS COMING UP. HERE GO THE GLASSES FOR THE NEXT QUESTION WHICH IS FROM KATHLEEN HARPER WHO ASKS, WHAT DO YOU ENJOY COVERING MORE SOFT NEWS OR THE MORE HARD HITTING STORIES? THE HARD HITTING STUFF. I DID START OUT AS A POLITICAL REPORTER, DAILY NEWS. THEN I DID INVESTIGATIVE STUFF FOR A FEW YEARS. IT IS ONLY IN THE LAST WHILE I DID MOVIE STARS AND COMEDIANS. THAT CAN BE FUN TOO. HOW DO YOU LIKE BEING A NEWSCASTER, DO YOU LIKE WORKING AT THE “THE NATIONAL”? I LOVE WORKING AT THE NATIONAL. THERE ARE NOT MANY NEWS ROOMS THAT ARE NOT SHRINKING. BEING A NEWSCASTER IS DIFFERENT. I WAS A REPORTER FOR YEARS, I LOVED BEING IN THE FEEL. PAULINE BUTT ASKS, WENDY, ARE THERE THINGS YOU WANT TO TELL US BUT CAN’T FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER? YEAH, SURE. BUT YOU KNOW IF I WANTED TO TELL YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT STUFF, I WOULD HAVE GONE INTO POLITICS OR BEEN A PUNDANT OR WRITTEN A COLUMN. MAYBE SOME DAY I WILL WRITE A COLUMN OR A BLOG OR SOMETHING. CRAIG McNEIL ASKS, IS CBC STAFF 24/7? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO HAVE AN ANCHOR ON AIR WHEN AN INTERNATIONAL EVENT HAPPENS? WHAT IS THE CONSIDERATION FOR GOING LIVE? I WAS HERE LAST THURSDAY WHEN WE STARTED TO GET THE SENSE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING. WE DID NOT KNOW. WE PLANNED A NORMAL SHOW WITH SORT OF THE THREATS. AND THEN AT ABOUT QUARTER TO 9, JUST BEFORE WE GO LIVE, AT 9:00, WE GOT THE SENSE, WELL, WE HEARD THAT MISSILES WERE BEING LAUNCHED AND WE DID NOT GET PICTURES UNTIL LATER. LUCKILY, WE HAD REPORTERS ON THE SCENE. PAUL HUNTER, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, PLEASE GET BACK IN THE CHAIR BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU. AND BRIAN STEWART WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING, WE GOT HIM TO COME INTO STUDIO. THAT WAS GREAT. SOMETIMES WE ARE NOT ABLE TO REACT AS QUICKLY AS WE LIKE. WE ARE ALMOST OUT OF TIME. I AM GOING TO WRAP. WE WILL GO BACK TO THE NEWS THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.>>YOU DON’T THINK HE WILL BE IMPEACHED OVER RUSSIA? DO YOU THINK HE WILL SERVE OUT ALL FOUR YEARS?>>Interview: JOURNALISTS CANNOT MAKE PREDICTIONS.>>Wendy: YOU MADE A LOT THAT CAME TRUE.>>Interview: I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY HE WILL BE IMPEACHED. I AM NOT SAYING IT COULDN’T POSSIBLY HAPPEN. IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. I THINK IT IS PARTICULARLY UNLIKELY HE WILL BE IMPREACHED OVER RUSSIA. IF HE WERE IMPEACHED OVER RUSSIA, IT WOULD BE A REALLY MIXED BLESSING BECAUSE THE KIND OF TOXIC POLITICS THAT WOULD BE IN PLAY WOULD REALLY TAKE US BACK TO THE McCARTHY ERA. THE IMPEACHMENT EFFORT BASED ON RUSSIA THEORY. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO SELL TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP, RIGHT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY OF SELLING TO THEM THE IDEA THAT THEIR VOTE FOR TRUMP WERE SOMEHOW BAD BECAUSE RUSSIA POISONED THEM. THAT IS A REALLY TERRIBLE THEORY TO TRY TO SELL TO THE PUBLIC. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A REALLY HUGE ONE.>>Wendy: THEN DO YOU GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA? WHERE ARE WE HEADING NOW IN TERMS, WHERE IS THE AMERICAN, RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP HEADING?>>Interview: IT IS HEADED FOR A MELTDOWN. WE ARE SEEING THESE TWO MEN, THE TWO MOST POWERFUL MEN IN THE WORLD, THE TWO MEN WHO HAVE THE FINGERS ON THE NUCLEAR BUTTON, WE ARE SEEING THEM HEADED FOR A CONFRONTATION. IT IS A TERRIBLE CONFRONTATION, ONE OF THEM, VLADIMIR PUTIN, ACTUALLY DOES BELIEVE HE DID SOMETHING TO HELP TRUMP. I THINK HE HAS BEEN GREATLY AMUSED BY THE AMERICAN OBSESSION WITH RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION. BUT HE ALSO THINKS THAT HE DID DO SOMETHING. AND THAT HE AND TRUMP, HE WAS COUNTING ON A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH TRUMP. TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND, HAS NEVER PAID HIS DEBT EVER. EVEN IF HE DID OWE ONE TO RUSSIA, HE WOULD NOT PAY IT. HE DOESN’T LIKE TO BE CALLED ON HIS WRONGS. PUTIN IS SERIOUSLY INVESTED IN SYRIA. HE IS NOT GOING TO STEP AWAY FROM SYRIA. ANY ARGUMENT THAT IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE TOO HIM. IT IS STRATEGICALLY — THE STRATEGY IS NOT WORTH IT MISSES THE POINT. THE POINT IS NOT STRATEGY, IT IS NOT HAVING THE MILITARY BASE THERE AND NOT HAVING ECONOMIC ACCESS THERE, THE POINT IS AMBITION. IT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE. AMBITION, NOTHING IS EVERY TOO COSTLY IN THE NAME OF AN AMBITION. AND SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE MAN ON AMBITION AGAINST ANOTHER MAN WITH AMBITION. THIS IS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CONFLICT THAT IS OCCURRING RIGHT BEFORE US.>>Wendy: GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. THANK YOU.>>Wendy: IF YOU ENJOYED THE INTERVIEW TONIGHT WITH MASHA, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND MORE ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL. GO TO YOUTUBE.COM/CBCTHE NATIONAL, YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.>>>THIS WAS A GOOD WEEK FOR BAD PRESS. ONE SPOKESMAN FOUND THAT MISREPRESENTING THE HOLOCAUST MEANS HAVING TO SAY YOU ARE SORRY.>>I MADE A MISTAKE. I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS A MISTAKE TO DO THAT. I MADE A MISTAKE. I AM OWNING UP TO IT.>>Wendy: FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TO PEPSI WHITEWASH. TO AN AIRLINE’S DISMISSAL OF A DAMMING VIDEO. WHAT DID WE LEARN ABOUT SURVIVING OUTRAGE? YOU DON’T WAN ♪ [“The National” theme] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [heavy rock] ♪ [fades] [♪♪♪]>>Wendy: TIME NOW, FOR THE “SUNDAY TALK.” WE TAP INTO THE DEBATE OF THE WEEK. THIS WEEK, PUBLIC RELATIONS FAILS. FROM PEPSI TO UNITED AIRLINES, TO THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY. THERE IS PLENTY WHO ARE LEFT ASKING, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? FOR SOME, THIS WAS PEPSI STAGING A CORPORATE TAKEOVER OF SOCIAL JUSTICE. WITH REALITY TV STAR KENDALL JENNER, POP CAN IN HAND. TWITTER BLEW UP. THE AD WAS QUICKLY PULLED. PEPSI APOLOGIZED. BUT ONLINE, IT IS NOT FORGOTTEN OR FORGIVEN. THEN IT WAS UNITED AIRLINES’ TURN TO FLY INTO PR TURBULENCE. A PEACEFUL BUT PERSISTENT PASSENGER IS HAULED OFF AN OVERBOOKED PLANE TO MAKE ROOM FOR AIRLINE EMPLOYEES.>>OH, MY GOD!>>Wendy: EVERYBODY HAS A CAMERA AND STORIES LIKE THIS TRAVEL. THE UNITED CEO INITIALLY CALLED IT A REACCOMMODATION. A LEAKED MEMO SHOWED HIM BLAMING THE PASSENGER FOR BEING BELLIGERENT. A BOYCOTT TRENDED ON TWITTER. EVEN THE U.S. PRESIDENT JOINED THE CYBERMOB. THE UNITED CEO WENT ON TV TO SAY HE WAS ASHAMED. THE COMPANY CHANGED ITS POLICIES YESTERDAY. BUT ITS STOCK PRICE HAS NOT RECOVERED. SEAN SPICER’S STUMBLE WAS SPECTACULAR.>>SOMEBODY WHO WAS AS DESPICABLE AS HITLER WHO DID NOT EVEN SINK TO USING CHEMICAL WEAPON.>>Wendy: NOTHING SAYS HAPPY PASSOVER LIKE DOWNPLAYING THE HOLOCAUST.>>I UNDERSTAND THAT.>>Wendy: FROM THIS WHITE HOUSE, IT COULD BE THE FIRST FULL THROATED APOLOGY THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. AND, BOY, DID WE SEE IT.>>I MADE A MISTAKE. I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS A MISTAKE TO DO THAT. I MADE A MISTAKE. I AM OWNING UP TO IT.>>Wendy: I AM JOINED BY OUR PANELISTS TASHA KHERIDDIN, A RADIO TALKSHOW HOST IN TORONTO. JONATHAN KAY, EDITOR AT WALRUS MAGAZINE. AND SOCIAL MEDIA EDITOR AT BUZZFEED CANADA. AND A NEW DAD. CONGRATS! BIG NEWS ON THE PANEL. THIS WAS AN INCREDIBLE WEEK. EVERYONE GOT — WE GOT EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF THE STORIES. WHAT DID YOU THINK? DID ANYBODY SUCCEED IN MAKING THEIR DISASTER GO AWAY?>>OF THE THREE, PEPSI MADE THE DISASTER GO AWAY THE QUICKEST. THEY ISSUED AN APOLOGY. IT WAS CLEAR THAT PUBLIC OPINION WAS TRENDING AGAINST THIS AD. THEY ISSUED A DECISIVE APOLOGY. THEY APOLOGIZED TO KENDELL JENNER FOR DRAGGING HER INTO THE MESS AND PULLED THE AD. IT PUT A STOP TO IT. IT WAS UNEQUIVOCAL.>>Wendy: YOU WATCHED THIS BLOW UP ON TWITTER. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE WAY THEY HANDLED IT?>>PEPSI, I THINK THEY HANDLED IT BY THE BOOK. THEY WAITED TO SEE HOW THE REACTION WOULD GO AND IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, THEY SAID THIS WAS OUR BAD. WE MISREAD THE SITUATION. THEY PUT OUT ONE APOLOGY AND GOT OUT OF THE WAY. THAT IS THE BEST THING. IT IS OLD NEWS SORT OF. PEOPLE ON TWITTER ARE MAKING FUN OF OTHER THINGS. THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT. IS SAY WE ARE SORRY AND MESSED UP AND GET OUT OF THE WAY.>>Wendy: IT WAS SPEEDY. WAS THAT ENOUGH?>>WHY ARE THEY APOLOGIZING TO KENDELL JENNER. SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING. SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF THAT.>>SHE RECEIVED A LOT OF HATE FROM THE AD.>>IT SHOWS HOW CYNICAL IT IS. YOU PUT OUT A COMMERCIAL. PEOPLE DON’T LIKE IT. YOU APOLOGIZE. FOR WHAT? WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU APOLOGIZING FOR? YOU ARE APOLOGIZING FOR THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE IT.>>Wendy: PEOPLE SAID IT WAS A STUNT. I AM NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE SEEN IT OTHERWISE.>>THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON IT. 44% OF PEOPLE DID LIKE THE AD. IT CAME OUT ABOUT A WEEK LATER. THIS IS SOCIAL MEDIA FRENZY THAT ENSUED THAT SPURRED PEPSI TO ACTION.>>IT SEEMS LIKE OUR CULTURE AND THE WAY CORPORATIONS REACT TO THIS SORT OF THING IS GUIDED BY 18-29-YEAR-OLDS TWEETING IN THEIR PAJAMAS, SAYING I DON’T LIKE THAT.>>THEY ARE TRYING TO CAPTURE THE MOVEMENT AND SAYING WE UNDERSTAND.>>YOU HAVE TO GET ON THE PAJAMAS AND GO ON THE STREET. THE PEOPLE ARE TWEETING. WHAT WILL WE GET PISSED OFF TODAY, PEPSI, I CAN DO THAT. UNITED — CORPORATIONS ARE LED BY THE NOSE BY PEOPLE — >>IT WAS A STUPID AD.>>IT WAS NOT OFFENSIVE.>>IF COKE CAN PUT OUT ADS SAYING WE WILL SOLVE THE CONFRONTATIONS BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND THE UNITED STATES BY COKE.>>CAPITALIZE ON A MOVEMENT AND SAY WE UNDERSTAND THE MOVEMENT AND YOU CAN SOLVE IT BY GIVING A COP A PEPSI.>>Wendy: THERE IS NO BELLS. I CANNOT SAY WHO WON. UNITED, THEY WERE NOT SPEEDY.>>THEY WERE NOT. THEY WERE PROBABLY THE POSTER CHILD OF WHAT NOT TO DO. INITIALLY THERE WAS A LUKEWARM APOLOGY. IT CAME OUT BEHIND THE SCENES, THE CEO WAS STANDING BY HIS PEOPLE. THAT MADE THE WHOLE THING CONTINUE. AND THEN THERE WAS THE FACT ALSO THE PASSENGER HAD BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED HERE. THERE WAS — THERE IS A LEGAL CASE TO MAKE. HE LOST TEETH. HAD A CONCUSSION. AND PEOPLE SAW THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. IT WAS EVERYWHERE.>>Wendy: IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE UP FOR THIS?>>OF COURSE. THE MOST EGREGIOUS PART IS THEY HAD TO BACKTRACK. BOILER PLATE IS ESTABLISHED. CONCERN AND HORRIFIED AND INVESTIGATING AND BE QUIET. IT IS NOT A DIFFICULT THING TO CONTROL. GO AND SAY WE ARE DOING AN INVESTIGATION AND THEN COME BACK AND REVEAL WHAT THE INVESTIGATION SAID. TO COME OUT AND FIRST OF ALL MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT ALL AND THEN HAVE TO BACKTRACK THEM AFTER YOUR STOCK WENT DOWN SO MUCH MAKES YOU LOOK MUCH, MUCH WORSE. THERE IS A BOILER PLATE THAT IS ESTABLISHED.>>I WAS COMPLETELY APPALLED WHAT HAPPENED WITH UNITED AIRLINES.>>Wendy: BUT…>>I HAVE TO SAY WE SHOULD NOT TALK IN THE SAME BREATH AS PEPSI. PEPSI PUT OUT A STUPID AD. UNITED, A GUY WAS DRAGGED DOWN AN AISLE. I WAS APPALLED BY IT. I WAS WILLING BRIEFLY TO CONSIDERING TO REDO MY TRAVEL PLANS. THAT IS HOW ANGRY I WAS. HOWEVER, IT IS THE CASE THAT IF YOU HAVE A CEO WHO HAS TWO CONSTITUENCIES, HE HAS CUSTOMERS, HE ALSO HAS THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES. AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HIS FIRST REFLEX IS WE ARE A TEAM AND I WILL STAND BEHIND MY TEAM MEMBERS. ONE OF MY TEAM MAKES A MISTAKE. WE HAVE — >>YOU KNOW WHAT — >>A LEGITIMATE REFLEX. WE SAW THAT IN CANADA, GLOBAL MAIL NEWSPAPER, A COLUMNIST WROTE A WEIRD COLUMN AND THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF MADE A DECISION WE WILL SUSPEND THE COLUMNIST. MAYBE THAT MAY MAKE — >>AND DRAGGED A MAN.>>IT MAKES YOUR STAFF UPSET BECAUSE YOU DON’T STAND BEHIND THEM.>>I WILL SAY, WHEN THE BANKS TOOK A BEATING WHEN THERE WAS INVESTIGATION DONE BY CBC AND THE UPSELLING ISSUE. YOU SAW ALSO SOME STATEMENTS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING THE TEAM ASPECT, TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WASN’T OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING LIKE THE UNITED IN WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THE TEAM REFLEX. I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THIS CASE, WE HAVE IMAGES OF A MAN THAT ESSENTIALLY WAS BEAT UP ON A PLANE TO HAVE THAT REFLEX, THE CEO HAS REALLY HAD TO GIVE HIS HEAD A SHAKE.>>HE COULD ADD A SENTENCE TO THE BOILER PLATE AND SAY WE ARE CONCERNED AND ARE INVESTIGATING.>>AND CONTACT THE INDIVIDUAL. THEY DID NOT.>>NOT WAIT TWO DAYS.>>BEFORE HIS LAWYERS GO IN FRONT OF THE PRESS. THAT IS THE WORST PART.>>Wendy: WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE. I WILL LET YOU START ON THIS, JOHN. SEAN SPICER, THE PRESS SECRETARY, DOES HE NEED A PRESS SECRETARY?>>I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MAGNIFICENT SET OF APOLOGIES. HE OWNED UP TO WHAT HE DID. I WASN’T EVEN THAT OFFENDED BY WHAT SEAN SPICER SAID. STUPIDITY ITSELF, IGNORANCE IS NOT OFFENSIVE.>>THAT IS VERY GENTLE OF YOU.>>CYNICISM CAN BE OFFENSIVE. WILLFULLY LYING OR MANIPULATIVE. IF YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR HISTORY OR SAY SOMETHING STUPID…>>Wendy: ARE YOU ALLOWED NOT TO KNOW THE HISTORY?>>YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED — THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST BEING IGNORANT.>>IT IS NOT EVEN NOT KNOWING HISTORY. HE IS THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PLUS SUFFERS FROM THE WHOLE PROBLEM OF HE IS IGNORANT AND DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THINGS AND HE MAKES A MISTAKE ABOUT THE BOMB GOING TO IRAQ OR SYRIA. THEN WHEN HIS PRESS SECRETARY DOES THE SAME THING AND REAFFIRMS THAT PIECE OF — >>I AGREE WITH YOU. HE IS OUT OF HIS LEAGUE AND INCOMPETENT. THAT DOESN’T MEAN IT OFFENDS ME. THE PEPSI THING — >>IT OFFENDED A LOT OF PEOPLE.>>PEOPLE WANT TO BE OFFENDED. A GUY BEING IGNORANT SHOULD NOT OFFEND US.>>IF PEOPLE WANTED TO BE OFFENDED. THIS IS NOT THE BAR. THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE THING THAT HAPPENED.>>TELL ME WHY IT IS OFFENSIVE FOR SOME GUY TO BE IGNORANT?>>HE IS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY.>>I HAPPEN TO THINK THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS A MOTIVE. THIS IS NOT THE INDICATION.>>Wendy: YOU WATCH THIS GUY EVERY DAY WHEN HE GIVES THE DAILY BRIEFING AND IS AT WAR WITH THE PRESS. WITH THE DAILY — AND THEY ARE ASKING HIM, THEY ARE POKING HIM ALL THE TIME. SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A MISTAKE? IS THAT JUST HUMAN? THAT IS WHAT JOURNALISTS ARE ARGUING HE MADE A MISTAKE AND APOLOGIZED.>>NOT ON THIS MAGNITUDE. THERE ARE MISTAKES THAT ARE ALLOWABLE. THIS IS NOT AN ALLOWABLE MISTAKE. HE IS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY AND SAID HITLER DID NOT USE CHEMICALS. OH MY GOD.>>THE HOLOCAUST — YOU CANNOT GET AWAY WITH — >>Wendy: IT IS A PR ISSUE, DO NOT TALK ABOUT HITLER.>>PEOPLE COMPARE TRUMP TO HITLER. YOU SAW IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. HOW HE BEHAVED LIKE A DICTATOR. NOT HE KILLED PEOPLE.>>YOU CAN BE TERRIBLE AT YOUR JOB AND NOT OFFEND PEOPLE.>>CAN HE BE FIRED?>>HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED A MONTH AGO. NOT BECAUSE HE IS OFFENSIVE. BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOOD AT HIS JOB.>>Wendy: DID WE ACTUALLY LEARN ANYTHING HERE? WILL ANY BEHAVIOUR CHANGE? YOU SAID YOU WILL NOT BOOK UNITED.>>THE STOCK PRICE OF UNITED IS DOWN. THINGS, I THINK, WILL CHANGE. WILL THEY CHANGE TO THE EXTENT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN? I HOPE SO. YOU NEVER KNOW.>>THE COKE AND PEPSI SHOW. YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER. I DON’T THINK PEOPLE WILL LEAVE PEPSI BECAUSE OF THE DUMB AD. IF YOU DRANK PEPSI FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, YOU WILL STILL CONTINUE TO DRINK IT. I DON’T THINK IT WILL AFFECT THAT.>>I DON’T THINK IT WILL AFFECT MY VIEW OF DONALD TRUMP. I THINK I HAVE THE SAME VIEW I HAD A MONTH AGO. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.>>Wendy: AND THE UNITED FLIGHTS?>>I AM WILLING TO GIVE THEM A SECOND CHANCE. IF SOMEBODY ASKS ME TO LEAVE MY SEAT, I WILL PROBABLY COMPLY.>>Wendy: IT WAS QUITE THE WEEK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>>PLEASE STAY TUNED FOR THIS STORY.>>IT GETS A HOLD OF YOUR GEAR. THEY CAN END UP ANYWHERE.>>Wendy: FISHING IS HAZARDOUS OFF THE NEWFOUNDLAND COAST. THERE IS A SILVER LINING FOR ANOTHEOF BUSINESS. ♪ [“The National” theme] ♪ [Flamenco style guitar] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ends] [digital music] The National. [theme music] The National. [theme music] Mansbridge: Tonight… [theme music] [silence] and you’re
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next Summer. [♪♪♪]>>Wendy: UNITED AIRLINES RECENT PR DISASTER UNLEASHED A TIDAL WAVE OF AIR TRAVEL COMPLAINTS. NOW, A P.E.I. FAMILY IS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST AIR CANADA.>>Interview: ONCE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A FLIGHT, IT IS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT IS HAPPENING? WILL I GET ON OR NO? I DON’T GET IT.>>Wendy: THAT IS YOUNG COLE DOYLE, THE DOYLES WERE SET TO TRAVEL TO COSTA RICA DURING MARCH BREAK. BEFORE THEY LEFT, THEY FOUND OUT COLE, A 10-YEAR-OLD, HAD BEEN BUMPED FROM THE FLIGHT. YOU GUESSED IT, OVERBOOKED. THEY WERE TOLD EVEN IF AN ADULT VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE UP THE SEAT, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE COLE WOULD GET IT. IN THE END, COLE AND HIS FATHER ENJOYED AN EXTRA DAY OF TRAVEL AND SPENT AN EXTRA $1,000. AIR CANADA HAS APOLOGIZED, AND OFFERED COMPENSATION.>>>IT HAS BEEN AN UNUSUAL YEAR FOR SEA ICE OFF THE COAST OF NEWFOUNDLAND. MANY BAYS AND HARBOURS HAVE BEEN PACKED TIGHT. IT MAKES FOR SOME SPECTACULAR SCENERY. ALL THAT ICE, POSES A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE FOR ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO BE OUT ON THE WATER. THE CBC’S MARK QUINN HAS OUR STORY.>>Reporter: IT HAS BEEN A BUSY COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THE CANADIAN COAST GUARD. THE BUMPER CROP OF ICE MEANS VESSELS LIKE THIS FERRY TO BELL ISLAND CANNOT MOVE WITHOUT AN ESCORT.>>Interview: THE AMOUNT OF ICE WE HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE REGION, MEANS THE ICE BREAKERS HAVE BEEN FULLY TAPPED.>>Reporter: EVERY YEAR, SEA ICE AND ICEBERG DRIFT PAST NEWFOUNDLAND. THIS YEAR WAS DIFFERENT.>>Interview: USUALLY, THE SEA ICE IS WHERE THE RED AREA IS. DUE TO THE HEAVY WINDS, A COUPLE OF STORMS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, ALL THIS ICE WHICH IS NORMALLY OFFSHORE, HAS PUSHED INTO THE COAST OF NEWFOUNDLAND. IT RESULTED IN HEAVY ICE PRESSURE RIDGING VERY DIFFICULT CONDITIONS.>>Reporter: GORGES, POTENTIAL TROUBLE FOR EVERYONE ELSE.>>Interview: IT IS NOT GOOD. IT IS HARD TO DEAL WITH.>>Reporter: THE CRAB FISHERMEN HAVE A CHOICE: WAIT UNTIL CONDITIONS APPROVE OR RISKS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF GEAR.>>Interview: IF THAT ICE GETS A HOLD OF YOUR GEAR, YOU COULD END UP PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE.>>Reporter: THE CREW ON THE BLACKHEAD BANKER JUST RETURNED FROM CRAB FISHING. THEY CUT THEIR TRIP SHORT DUE TO THE BAD ICE CONDITIONS. IT WASN’T WORTH RISKING $40,000 IN GEAR FOR A FEW CRAB.>>Interview: WE ONLY HAVE 50 POTS THAT — WE HAD 1,000 POUNDS. WE GET A FULL DAY FISHING. I ANTICIPATE WE WILL COME OUT WITH 9,000 POUND TRIPS.>>Reporter: THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD ARE THE GLACIERS. OUT IN THE SHIPPING LANES, HUNDREDS OF KILOMETRES OFFSHORE, THEY ARE A MENACE. SO FAR THIS YEAR, MORE THAN 600 OF THESE HAVE BEEN COUNTED.>>Interview: THE SAME CONSISTENCY AS REINFORCED CONCRETE. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT IS PRETTY HARD AND IT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO SHIPS.>>Reporter: ALL THAT DANGER OF SEA ICE HOLDS GREAT ECONOMIC PROMISE. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF TOURISTS COME TO NEWFOUNDLAND TO SEE JEWELS LIKE THESE EVERY YEAR. THIS ONE NEAR FERRYLAND HAS BEEN DELIGHTING PHOTOGRAPHERS FOR MORE THAN A WEEK NOW. AND THIS ONE IS EVEN CLOSER TO St. JOHN’S, ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY, NEAR MIDDLE COVE. IT IS WHERE TO GET THE BIG BEAUTIFUL VISITORS TO THE NORTH THIS EARLY IN THE SEASON, THIS CLOSE TO St. JOHN’S. TOUR OPERATORS WHO START THEIR SEASON TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, HOPE THEY WILL KEEP COMING. MARK QUINN, CBC NEWS, MIDDLE COVE BEACH, NEWFOUNDLAND.>>Wendy: AND THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT. FOR NEWS AT ANY HOUR, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO OUR WEBSITE, CBCNEWS.CA. I’M WENDY MESLEY. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. [♪♪♪]

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