The National for September 27, 2018 — U.S. Senate Testimony, NAFTA, At Issue


>>TO WHAT DEGREE OF CERTAINTY DO YOU BELIEVE BRETT KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED YOU?>>100%.>>I’M NOT QUESTIONING THAT DR. FORD MAY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON, IN SOME PLACE, AT SOME TIME. BUT I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS TO HER OR TO ANYONE.>>Rosemary: ON THIS THURSDAY NIGHT, HE SAID-SHE SAID, TESTIMONY THAT DIVIDES PEOPLE, POLITICAL PARTIES AND AN ENTIRE NATION. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND BRETT KAVANAUGH TELL THEIR STORIES AS A CONSERVATIVE AND LIFETIME SUPREME COURT SEAT HANGS IN THE BALANCE.>>Andrew: WE’LL LACK AT WHAT THEY SAID, HOW WAS RECEIVED INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE ROOM AND WHY REPUBLICAN SENATORS LEFT THEIR QUESTIONS TO A FEMALE PROSECUTOR. EDGE OF THE SEAT MIX OF MEMORY, POLITICS AND CULTURE. THIS IS “THE NATIONAL”.>>Rosemary: IT WAS EMOTIONAL, DRAMATIC AND AT TIMES EXTREMELY POLITICAL. A U.S. SUPREME COURT CONFIRMATION HEARING THAT FELT MORE LIKE A TRIAL. FOR BOTH BRETT KAVANAUGH AND THE WOMAN ACCUSING HIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. PAUL HUNTER WALKS US THROUGH WHAT WAS AN EXPLOSIVE DAY IN WASHINGTON.>>DO YOU WARE SWEAR — >>Reporter: THERE SHE WAS, CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD SET TO GO. AND THEN SEPARATELY BRETT KAVANAUGH. BOTH SWEARING TO TELL THE TRUTH EACH WITH AN UTTERLY DIFFERENT STORY.>>WHEN I GOT THE TO THE — >>Reporter: FIRST, IT WAS FORD’S HARROWING TALE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AT A HIGH SCHOOL GATHERING 36 YEARS AGO.>>I WAS PUSHED ONTO THE BED. AND BRETT GOT ON TOP OF ME.>>Reporter: LOCKED IN A BEDROOM, SHE DESCRIBED KAVANAUGH AS VISIBLY DRUNK, GROPING HER, PULLING AT HER CLOTHES.>>I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING TO RAPE ME. I TRIED TO YELL FOR HELP. WHEN I DID, BRETT PUT HIS HAND OVERMY MOUTH. I THOUGHT BRETT WAS GOING TO ACCIDENTALLY KILL ME.>>Reporter: KAVANAUGH AND A FRIEND WITH HIM WERE LAUGHING, AS SHE PUT IT UPROARIOUSLY. IT’S HAUNTED HER EVER SINCE.>>THIS COULD NOT BE A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY?>>ABSOLUTELY NOT.>>Reporter: SHE’S COMING FORWARD FOR CIVIC DUTY. BUT IF FORD WAS MEASURED, COME HIS TURN, KAVANAUGH SEEMED ENRAGED.>>THIS IS A CIRCUS. THE CONSEQUENCES WILL EXTEND LONG PAST MY UNANIMOUS NATION. THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE WITH US FOR DECADES. YOU’VE REPLACED ADVICE AND CONSENT WITH SEARCH AND DESTROY.>>Reporter: HE CALLED IT LAST-MINUTE SMEARS, A LEFT WING CONSPIRACY DENYING EVERY ACQUISITION. AT TIMES CHOKING UP. HERE, NOTING HIS YOUNG DAUGHTER PRAYS FOR CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.>>WE MEAN NO ILL-WILL.>>Reporter: STILL KAVANAUGH’S FURY WAS EVIDENT, CONDEMNING THE PROCESS, BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR A CALCULATED POLITICAL HIT AND EMPHASIZING –>>I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED INTO WITHDRAWING FROM THIS PROCESS. YOU’VE TRIED HARD.>>Reporter: LIKEWISE DEMOCRATS WERE UNDETERRED, PRESSING KAVANAUGH ON ASPECTS HE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH. IS HE NOW OPEN TO A DEEPER INVESTIGATION.>>I WELCOME WHATEVER THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO BECAUSE I’M TELLING THE TRUTH. I’M TELLING THE TRUTH.>>I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, JUDGE.>>I’M INNOCENT OF THIS. THEY DO INVESTIGATE QUESTIONS. AND YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, JUDGE, YOU CAN’T SAY HERE IN THE BEGINNING –>>I WANT –>>– ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION.>>THIS THING WAS SPRUNG ON ME.>>Reporter: SO IT WENT, WITH KAVANAUGH ALWAYS RETURNING TO ONE MAIN POINT.>>BUT I SWEAR TODAY UNDER OATH BEFORE THE SENATE AND THE NATION, BEFORE MY FAMILY AND GOD, I AM INNOCENT OF THIS CHARGE.>>Reporter: HAVING HEARD ALL OF THAT, THE QUESTION FOR U.S. SENATORS NOW IS BRETT KAVANAUGH WORTHY OF SITTING ON THE SUPREME COURT FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE? IS THERE ANY REASON TO THINK HE MAY BE UNFIT FOR THE JOB? DO YOU BELIEVE HIM OR HER?>>Rosemary: THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VOCAL ABOUT THIS, SAYING YESTERDAY HE WAS GOING TO WATCH AND SEE HOW IT PLAYED OUT. WHAT IS HE SAYING TONIGHT?>>Reporter: RECALL LAST NIGHT DONALD TRUMP SUGGESTED WHILE HE STILL BACKED KAVANAUGH, HIS MIND COULD CHANGE ON THAT DEPENDING ON TODAY’S TESTIMONY. NO SOONER DID IT END HE TWEETED. HIS TESTIMONY WAS POWERFUL, HONEST AND RIVETING. HE LABELLED DEMOCRATS DISGRACEFUL AND THE PROCESS A SHAM.>>Rosemary: KAVANAUGH’S SELF-DEFENCE WAS FIERCE AND MOTIVATED HIS SUPPORTERS INSIDE THE COURTROOM AND OUT OF THE COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM. WHILE FORD’S ENERGY WAS CALMER, IT WAS NO LESS POWERFUL.>>THE ASSAULT ON ME DRASTICALLY ALTERED MY LIFE. FOR A LONG TIME I WAS TOO AFRAID TO TELL ANYONE THESE DETAILS. I DID NOT WANT TO TELL MY PARENTS THAT I AT AGE 15 WAS IN A HOUSE WITHOUT ANY PARENTS PRESENT DRINKING BEER WITH BOY. ONCE HE WAS SELECTED AND IT SEEMED IT WAS A SURE VOTE, I WAS CALCULATING DAILY THE RISK BENEFIT FOR ME OF COMING FORWARD AND I WOULD JUST BE PERSONALLY ANNIHILATED.>>WHAT IS THE STRONGEST MEMORY YOU CANNOT FORGET?>>THE LAUGHTER, THE UPROARIOUS LAUGHTER BETWEEN THE TWO. AND THEIR HAVING FUN AT MY EXPENSE. I WAS UNDERNEATH ONE OF THEM WHILE THE TWO LAUGHED. TWO FRIENDS HAVING A REALLY GOOD TIME WITH ONE ANOTHER.>>Rosemary: IT WASN’T JUST HIGH EMOTION INSIDE THE ROOM. DEMONSTRATORS ON BOTH SIDES TURNED OUT IN BIG NUMBERS. WE’LL SEE SOME OF THOSE BACKING JUDGE KAVANAUGH A LITTLE LATER, BUT HERE’S A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE WHO STOOD BEHIND FORD. [ * ] * GOING TO KEEP ON WALKING >>Rosemary: SOME PEACEFULLY SANG TO SHOW SOLIDARITY. OTHERS STRUCK A MORE FORCEFUL TONE.>>WE BELIEVE!>>Rosemary: THESE DEMONSTRATORS MADE NO BONES ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.>>WE’LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP BRETT KAVANAUGH OFF THE SUPREME COURT.>>WE BELIEVE IN HER!>>Rosemary: ONE LARGE GROUP OF PROTESTERS TRIED TO BLOCK THE STREET ACROSS FROM THE SUPREME COURT UNTIL THE POLICE MOVED IN. IN NEW YORK, A GROUP OF WOMEN DID MORE THAN SPEAK UP FOR BLASEY FORD, THEY SCREAMED AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS. STEVEN D’SOUZA TELLS US WHY.>>WE BELIEVE CHRISTINE! WE BELIEVE SURVIVORS!>>Reporter: AS THE HEARING BROKE FOR LUNCH, THE EMOTION THESE WOMEN FELT WATCHING CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD ERUPTED. [SCREAMING] >>Reporter: THEIR RAGE IS PROMPTED BY THIS.>>BRETT PUT HIS HAND OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM YELLING.>>I THINK WHEN WE WERE ALL TOGETHER HERE, IT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE TO SCREAM ON HER BEHALF.>>IT FELT LIKE SHE WAS ON TRIAL AS THE VICTIM WHICH IS REALLY PAINFUL TO WATCH. WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT SMALL DETAILS LIKE REMEMBERING THEIR LAUGHTER. THAT’S THE KIND OF THING THAT RINGS TRUE. AND I THINK IT PROBABLY AFFECTS MORE WOMEN THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF.>>Reporter: BRINGING THAT PERSONAL STRUGGLE TO A VERY PUBLIC STAGE IS WHY SOME CALL THIS A DEFINING MOMENT FOR AMERICA.>>THE IMPORTANT THING, THERE IS PUBLIC OUTRAGE. THERE IS A POLITICAL, LARGER POLITICAL MOVEMENT AND RECKONING THAT IS NOT OK, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.>>Reporter: STILL SOME WORRY KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION WILL GO AHEAD REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SAID TODAY.>>IT KIND OF DESTROYS ME. IT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF FAITH IN OUR SYSTEM.>>Reporter: A MESSAGE THEY FEAR THAT SOME IN THE SENATE WON’T EVEN CONSIDER. STEVEN D’SOUZA, CBC NEWS, NEW YORK.>>Rosemary: WE’VE HEARD MANY TIMES OVER THE PAST YEAR AND MORE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR WOMEN TO COME FORWARD WITH THESE ALLEGATIONS OF PAST SEXUAL ASSAULT. THAT TODAY’S LANDMARK HEARING, DID IT OPEN ANY SPACE THERE FOR OTHERS TO TAKE THE LEAP OF FAITH? IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS ASKED SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN CANADA.>>Reporter: BEFORE #METOO, THE STORIES WERE LONELIER. AS ONE OF JIAN GHOMESHI’S ACCUSERS, LINDA REDGRAVE’S TESTIMONY WAS SHREDDED. WATCHING THIS BRINGS IT ALL BACK.>>IT’S SO HARD TO BE UP THERE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND TRYING TO TELL YOUR STORY AND HAVE THEM DISSECTING IT.>>Reporter: THE JIAN GHOMESHI TRIAL STARTED THE RECKONING OF THE SEXUAL VIOLENCE. BUT FOR EVERY NEW HASH TAG, REDGRAVE SAYS THERE IS STILL THE SAME OLD QUESTIONS.>>PEOPLE ARE NOW STARTING TO UNDERSTAND THERE ISN’T A CERTAIN SCIENCE TO THE WAY PEOPLE RESPOND AND REACT TO TRAUMA OR TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE. I THINK WE’VE COME A LONG WAY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND I’M REALLY HAPPY FOR THAT, BUT I’M REALLY SAD THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO SUFFER PUBLICLY BECAUSE OF IT.>>HOW OLD WERE YOU AT THE TIME?>>I WAS IN THE SECOND GRADE.>>Reporter: AND MORE WOMEN ARE SPEAKING OUT. A POLITICAL SHOW GOT AN UNEXPECTED CALL PROMPTED BY TODAY’S TESTIMONY.>>AND I THOUGHT I WAS OVER THIS — >>Reporter: A 76-YEAR-OLD WOMAN SHARING THE STORY OF HER ASSAULT WHEN SHE WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL. AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA, CELEBRITIES BROKE THEIR SILENCE.>>OUR MISSION IS TO INVESTIGATE EVERY CASE — >>Reporter: POLICE IN TORONTO BELIEVE THE #METOO MOVEMENT IS A BIG FACTOR BEHIND A 16% SPIKE IN REPORTS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE LAST YEAR. BUT WHILE THE FLOODGATES OPEN, AND HOT LINES, TOO, CRISIS CENTRES LIKE THIS ONE ADMIT THEY DON’T HAVE THE FUNDING TO KEEP UP.>>THEY MIGHT CALL US AND ASK FOR SUPPORT AND WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THERE IS A TWO-YEAR WAIT LIST BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING. I THINK IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE ASKING SURVIVORS TO COME INTO?>>Reporter: IT CAN BE AVOIDED. REDGRAVE CREATED HER OWN SUPPORT GROUP FOR SURVIVORS AND SEES TODAY AS A WIN.>>SO WHERE IS THE VICTORY?>>THE VICTORY IS IN HER BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST SOMEBODY.>>Reporter: WHATEVER THE OUTCOME. IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Rosemary: WE SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS HIS OWN SUPPORTERS AND MANY ARE WOMEN. SOME OF THEM VOICED THAT SUPPORT TODAY.>>WHAT WE’RE SEEING HERE, UNFORTUNATELY, IS A PATTERN OF DEMOCRATS PUSHING FORWARD ALLEGATIONS THAT AS SOON AS YOU PRESS ON THEM, START TO FALL APART. THEY DON’T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED 35 YEARS AGO. THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT HE’S GOING TO DO FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. WE HAVE LEADERS WHO ARE WILLING TO TURN UPSIDE DOWN A SACRED PRINCIPLE OF THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE FOR WHATEVER MOTIVE. THAT IS DANGEROUS. AS WOMEN, AS MOMS, AS WIVES, AS SISTERS, AS DAUGHTERS, WE SHOULD BE VERY CONCERNED AND DEMAND NOTHING BUT FAIRNESS.>>Rosemary: WE HEAR FROM THE NOMINEE IN PAUL’S PIECE THERE, BUT BRETT KAVANAUGH LASHED OUT AT THE WAY THE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN TREATED AND GOT FIERY SUPPORT FROM A POLITICAL VETERAN.>>THIS GROTESQUE AND COORDINATED CHARACTER ASSASSINATION WILL DISSUADE COMPETENT AND GOOD PEOPLE OF ALL POLITICAL PERSUASIONS FROM SERVING OUR COUNTRY. YES, WE WENT TO PARTIES, YES, OF COURSE, WE WENT TO PARTIES AND THE YEARBOOK PAGE DESCRIBES THAT AND KIND OF MAKES FUN OF IT. AND YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER A SUPREME COURT NOMINATION SHOULD BE BASED ON A HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK PAGE, I THINK THAT’S TAKING US TO A NEW LEVEL OF ABSURDITY.>>THIS IS THE MOST UNETHICAL SHAM SINCE I’VE BEEN IN POLITICS. AND IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU SURE AS HELL WOULDN’T HAVE DONE WHAT YOU’VE DONE TO THIS GUY. ARE YOU A GANG RAPIST?>>NO.>>I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE GONE THROUGH. BOY, YOU WANT POWER, GOD I HOPE YOU NEVER GET IT.>>Rosemary: DAVID WAS TODAY A FAIR EXERCISE, A USEFUL ONE?>>IT CERTAINLY IS NOT. THE PEOPLE WHO HAD POWER OVER THE HEARING CERTAINLY ARE NOT HERE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED. THEY’RE HERE TO NOT SEEM TO SQUELCH DR. FORD THE WAY ANITA HILL WAS. IN THAT SENSE, IT’S DESIGNED TO SIMULATE A FAIR PROCESS, BUT IT’S NOT A FAIR PROCESS. WE ALL THINK WE’RE GOOD JUDGES OF OTHER PEOPLE. WE PROJECT OURSELVES ON OTHER PEOPLE. WE LOOK AT THE WORST KIND OF EVIDENCE IS THIS WITNESS TESTIMONY. BECAUSE WHAT WE HEAR, WE THINK WE’RE HEARING SOMEONE ELSE, WE’RE LOOKING INTO A MIRROR AND HEARING OURSELVES.>>Rosemary: WHAT STRUCK ME WAS WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT HE WAS A VICTIM OF THE CLINTONS BECAUSE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE KEN STARR REPORT. HERE’S PART OF THE OPENING STATEMENT.>>THIS WHOLE TWO-WEEK EFFORT HAS BEEN A CALCULATED AND ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT FUELLED WITH APPARENT PENT-UP ANGER ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE 2016 ELECTION, FEAR THAT HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY STOKED ABOUT MY JUDICIAL RECORD, REVENGE ON BEHALF OF THE CLINTONS, AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MONEY FROM OUTSIDE LEFT WING OPPOSITION GROUPS.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT HIM AND WHETHER HE IS GIVING THAT RATHER PARTISAN GIVEN, WHETHER HE’S EVEN SUITED FOR THE JOB?>>WELL, IT IS TRUE HE IS — WE’VE HAD PARTISAN SUPREME COURT JUSTICES BEFORE. LET’S NOT HAVE ILLUSIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT WAS STRIKING ABOUT THE OPENING STATEMENT HOW MUCH WAS FOR THE FOX NEWS AUDIENCE. I DON’T KNOW THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT BORKING IS, WITH HEARINGS OF ROBERT BORK. IT WAS A STATEMENT FROM THE HEART OF THE CONSERVATIVE WORLD SPEAKING TO A CONSERVATIVE AUDIENCE. JUST AS DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO BE PRESIDENT FOR ONLY PART OF THE AMERICA, BRETT KAVANAUGH IS SPEAKING TO PART OF AMERICA TO SUPPORT HIM TO GET HIMSELF ONTO THE SUPREME COURT.>>Rosemary: WATCHING THAT FROM HERE, IT WAS ASTOUNDING. WHAT SHOULD WE AS CANADIANS TAKE FROM THE FACT THAT THIS IS PLAYING OUT THERE IN THE WAY THAT IT IS?>>WELL, IT CERTAINLY MAKES YOU THINK THAT AMERICAN SYSTEM OF NOMINATING AND APPROVING JUDGES IS ONE NOT TO BE EMULATED. WHAT YOU WANT IS HAVE THESE ALLEGATIONS HEARD IN PRIVATE, BECAUSE IT’S A COMPLICATED MATTER. IF BRETT KAVANAUGH IS RIGHT, HIS REPUTATION WILL NEVER RECOVER FROM THESE THINGS AIRED IN PUBLIC. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SCREENED BY THE F.B.I. IN PRIVATE. AND DOES THAT PRIVATE FACT FINDING SHOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED BEFORE THE HEARING TOOK PLACE. THE WAY THIS IS BEING BATTLED IS ONE THAT IF HE IS CONFIRMED WILL LEAVE MANY PEOPLE FEELING THE SUPREME COURT CONTAINS A PERSON GUILTY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. IF HE IS DEFEATED, AGAIN IT WILL CONTINUE TO POLITICIZE THE SUPREME COURT.>>Rosemary: YOU SAY IT’S LESS LIKELY HE’LL BE TURNED DOWN?>>THE REPUBLICANS HAVE THE VOTE. IT’S ALWAYS BEEN MORE PROBABLE THAN NOT HE WOULD GET CONFIRMED. BUT THE THING THAT WOULD CHANGE THIS, IF THE REPUBLICANS SEE A LOT OF POLLS THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICAN SEATS ARE IN TROUBLE THAN WERE IN TROUBLE THREE DAYS AGO, THAT MAY CHANGE MINDS.>>Rosemary: HOW MUCH IS ABOUT THE MIDTERMS AND THE POLITICAL CLIMATE?>>A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT THE MIDTERMS, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE WILLING TO TRADE SENATE SEATS FOR THE SUPREME COURT SEAT. IS IT ONE THAT LOCKS IN A COURT THAT HAD A 4-4 DIVISION WITH ONE FLOATING JUDGE, JUDGE ANTHONY KENNEDY, HIS NOMINATION, KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION LOCKS IN A 5-4 CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY.>>Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THE SENATE COMMITTEE IS SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON THIS TOMORROW AND IF THEY APPROVE JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION, THEY WILL MOVE TO A VOTE OF THE FULL SENATE.>>Andrew: IT BEARS MENTIONING AS THE FORD-KAVANAUGH HEARING WAS PLAYING OUT, DONALD TRUMP WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, ROD ROSENSTEIN, AND THERE WAS SPECULATION HE WOULD BE FIRED. THAT MEETING WAS PUT OFF. THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS BOTH SIDES AGREED TO MEET NEXT WEEK TO AVOID INTERFERING WITH THE HEARING. AT ISSUE, A “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT THAT ROSENSTEIN DISCUSSED RECORDING TRUMP AND WORK TO REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE.>>>HERE IN CANADA, THE HOUSE OF COMMONS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO STRIP MYANMAR’S LEADER AUNG SAN SUU KYI OF HER HONORARY CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP. THERE HAD BEEN GROWING PRESSURE TO DO SO IN THE WAKE OF THE ROHINGYA CRISIS. SOMETHING THIS COUNTRY HAS CHARACTERIZED AT GENOCIDE. THE MOVE DOES REQUIRE A GREEN LIGHT FROM THE SENATE.>>>I’M CALLING GALLANT TO DO THE HONOURABLE THING AND RECOGNIZE HE LOST THE ELECTION.>>Andrew: ANOTHER DAY AND POLITICAL DRAMA IN NEW BRUNSWICK. BLAINE HIGGS CALLS ON THE LIBERAL LEADER TO RESIGN. NEITHER PARTY WON ENOUGH SEATS IN MONDAY’S ELECTION FOR A MAJORITY, BUT WHILE THE P.C.s CAME OUT AHEAD, THE LIBERALS HOPE AN ALLIANCE WITH THE GREENS WILL KEEP THEM IN POWER. HIGGS WANTS THE LEGISLATURE CALLED BACK AND A CONFIDENCE VOTE HELD, WHICH DEPENDING ON HOW IT GOES, COULD PUT THE P.C.s IN A POSITION TO GOVERN. STILL AHEAD… CRITICS CALL HIS VIEWS ANTI-MUSLIM, BUT TOMMY ROBINSON SEES HIMENTS AS — HIMSELF AS A FREE SPEECH ACTIVIST.>>Rosemary: COULD WE SEE THE SAME STORY PLAY OUT IN QUÉBEC?>>TRUMP SAYS HE DOESN’T LIKE CHRYSTIA FREELAND. WHY THAT MIGHT PLAY A BIG PART IN THE NAFTA NEGOTIATIONS.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: AMERICANS ARE FINDING THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE TOUGH BECAUSE CANADIANS>>Andrew: YOU’VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S HARSH COMMENTS ABOUT FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER CHRYSTIA FREELAND. TONIGHT, TRUMP’S ENVOY TO CANADA IS DIALLING THAT BACK AND DOING DAMAGE CONTROL. KELLY CRAFT IS CALLING FREELAND SMART, ARTICULATE AND HER COMMENTS CAP A WHOLE DAY OF SUPPORT FOR FREELAND. HERE’S KATIE SIMPSON.>>Reporter: IF THE PRIME MINISTER IS BOTHERED BY DONALD TRUMP’S INSULTS, HE’S NOT LETTING IT SHOW.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THE AMERICANS ARE FINDING THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE TOUGH, BECAUSE CANADIANS ARE TOUGH NEGOTIATORS.>>Reporter: MEMBERS OF CABINET FIERCELY DEFENDED THE WOMAN LEADING CANADA’S NAFTA NEGOTIATION TEAM.>>I THINK MINISTER FREELAND IS DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB AT A DIFFICULT TASK ON BEHALF OF ALL CANADIANS AND I THINK ALL CANADIANS OUGHT TO BE VERY GRATEFUL.>>Reporter: THERE WERE NO KIND WORDS FROM DONALD TRUMP YESTERDAY WHEN HE LASHED OUT AT CHRYSTIA FREELAND WITHOUT USING HER NAME.>>WE’RE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS AND THE NEGOTIATING STYLE OF CANADA. WE DON’T LIKE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE VERY MUCH.>>Reporter: IT IS NO SECRET THERE IS TENSION IN THE NAFTA NEGOTIATING ROOM WHERE BIG PERSONALITIES COMPETE AND AT TIMES CAN CLASH. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER SOME OF THAT ANIMOSITY IS SELF-INFLICTED.>>COMPETENT AND HONESTY AMONG ELECTED LEADERS AND IN OUR PUBLIC SERVICE MATTER.>>Reporter: THE U.S. NOTICED WHEN FREELAND CRITICIZED TRUMP AT A REWARDS RECEPTION IN WASHINGTON THIS SUMMER AND PARTICIPATED IN A PANEL DISCUSSION IN TORONTO CALLED TAKING ON THE TYRANT, WHERE A VIDEO COMPARED TRUMP TO THE REGIME OF RUSSIA AND CHINA. THIS FORMER TRADE NEGOTIATOR SAYS TRUMP APPEARS TO BE OVERREACTING.>>IF HE ALLOWS THAT KIND OF PETTY ISSUE TO NAG HIM, THEN HE IS TELLING US MORE ABOUT HIMSELF THAN HE SHOULD.>>Reporter: TRUMP’S PERSONAL TEMP RA MMENT MAY BE A FACTOR.>>THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH WOMEN, SO STRONG SMART WOMEN CAUSE THEM PROBLEMS.>>Reporter: WHETHER THEY LIKE EACH OTHER OR NOT, FREELAND HAS TO SIT DOWN WITH U.S. NEGOTIATORS AT SOME POINT, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO CONCRETE PLANS FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.>>Rosemary: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”, FIRST WE SAW A MINORITY GOVERNMENT IN B.C. THEN IN NEW BRUNSWICK, VOTERS ARE SENDING A MESSAGE. BUT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LISTENING? THE “AT ISSUE” PANEL IS HERE.>>Andrew: ALL EYES WERE ON THE KAVANAUGH HEARING. HOW THE WORLD SEEMED TO STOP AND WATCH.>>I THINK OUR KIDS A ASK OUR OFFICIALS TO REACH OUT TO HOPEFULLY START DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GREEN PARTY TO SEE IF THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WHERE WE COULD MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENCE OF THE HOUSE. IT’S EVIDENT HE’S DESPERATE TO HOLD ONTO POWER.>>Rosemary: NEW BRUNSWICK IS IN A POLITICAL DEAD LOCK. WORDS YOU NEVER THOUGHT YOU’D HEAR ME SAY. LIBERAL LEADER, THE PREMIER STILL, BRIAN GALLANT WANTS THE FIRST CRACK AT FORMING GOVERNMENT. HE’S TURNED TO THE GREEN PARTY FOR HELP. THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER BLAINE HIGGS IS NOT GOING DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT. ALL THIS DAYS BEFORE ANOTHER BIG ELECTION IN THE COUNTRY, QUÉBEC. COULD THERE BE THE SAME KIND OF OUTCOME AND HOW IS OTTAWA READING THE RESULTS? “AT ISSUE” IS HERE WITH THAT AND MORE. ANDREW COYNE, ALTHIA RAJ. IT’S NOT OFTEN WE DO “AT ISSUE” ABOUT PROVINCIAL POLITICS, BUT THERE ARE INTERESTING THINGS HAPPENING HERE. I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT WRIT LARGE, FEDERALLY. LET’S START WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW BRUNSWICK. I’LL PUT THIS ONE TO YOU, ANDREW. HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD READ THE RESULTS? WE KNOW THE LIBERALS ARE GOING TO TRY TO HOLD ONTO POWER, EVEN BRIAN GALLANT SAYING UNTIL CHRISTMAS, BUT WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT THE WAY FIRST-PAST-THE-POST IS WORKING IN THIS COUNTRY OR AT LEAST IN NEW BRUNSWICK RIGHT NOW?>>WELL, IT’S DEJA VU, THIS LOOKS LIKE THE B.C. ELECTION LAST YEAR. AND THERE IS COMMONALITIES. ONE IS WE’RE STARTING TO SEE MORE PARTIES IN THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE. WE DON’T HAVE TO TWO-PARTY POLITICS IN A LOT OF THE PROVINCES. AND FIRST-PAST-THE-POST IS REALLY SUITED TO THAT, YOU GET CLEAR RESULTS WHEN THERE IS A TWO-PARTY SYSTEM, BUT WHEN YOU GET, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, IT GETS COMPLICATED AND YOU CAN GET THESE RESULT, NOT ALWAYS OF COURSE, BUT WHERE YOU HAVE TWO PARTIES WITH ALMOST THE SAME STANDING AND THIS KIND OF SHOWDOWN THAT COMES AFTERWARDS. I THINK WHAT IS ALSO INTERESTING TO POINT OUT IS WHAT IS NOT HAPPENING. IT’S HAPPENING IN B.C. AS WELL. YOU DON’T SEE THE PARTIES CAPITULATING TO ONE ANOTHER. YOU DON’T SEE THE LARGER PARTY GIVING THE SMALL PARTY WHATEVER THEY WANT. THIS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION, THEY SAY THIS IS THE SCENARIO YOU’LL GET WITH THE LARGE PARTIES AND SMALL PARTIES AND THE LARGE PARTIES WILL GIVE IN TO THE EXTREMIST FRINGE PARTIES. THE REASON YOU’RE NOT SEEING THAT HAPPEN, THEY’RE ALL GOING TO HAVE A FACE ELECTION AGAIN. IF THE LARGE PARTY IS SEEN TO HAVE SOLD OUT TO AN EXTREMIST PARTY OR THE SMALL PARTY SOLD OUT TO THE LARGE PARTY, THEY’RE GOING TO PAY A PRICE WITH THE SUPPORTERS. THERE IS GOING TO BE NEGOTIATING AND EVERYBODY HAS TO WUT WATER IN THEIR WINE.>>Rosemary: YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS PLAYING OUT IN QUÉBEC. THE ELECTION IS MONDAY. THINGS ARE TIGHT BETWEEN THE KRK AND THE LIBERALS AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER PARTIES THEY MAY NOT HAVE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST, BECAUSE THEY REALIZE A REFERENDUM IS NO LONGER IN THE OFFERING. I’M GOING TO PUT UP THE POLL TRACKER.>>WELL, YES, BUT IT’S A MIX OF THINGS. IT’S NOT JUST THERE IS NOT SOVEREIGNTY AND THEY’RE LOOK AT OTHER PARTIES, IT’S ALSO CO– AS IN NEW BRUNSWICK, THERE ARE MORE PARTIES ON THE BALLOT. THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE LIBERALS AND THEN THE BLOC QUEBECOIS CAME ALONG AND NOW THE N.D.P. IS ALSO A PARTY TO RECKON WITH. THAT’S HAPPENING PROVINCIALLY, TOO. AND FROM WHAT WE SEE IN THIS ELECTION AT LEAST, AND I SUSPECT IT PLAYS OUT IN OTHER PROVINCES WHERE THE GREENS HAVE DONE WELL, THE MILLENNIALS WHO ARE BECOMING THE LARGER CORE OF THE ELECTORATE, FOR SOME REASON HAVE FIGURED OUT POSSIBLY BETTER THAN WE DID, THAT TO MAKE A NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OR PARLIAMENT WORK, YOU NEED DIVERSITY OF VOICES. YOU DON’T NEED TO VOTE TO WIN, YOU VOTE TO HAVE DIFFERENT VOICES YOU LIKE IN THE LEGISLATURE AND THE RESULT IS MORE FRAGMENTED ELECTORATE AND RESULTS THAT ARE UNPREDICTABLE. ANDREW DIDN’T NEGLIGENCE THAT, BUT IN THE — MENTION THAT, BUT IN THE CASE OF NEW BRUNSWICK, THE LIBERALS DID WIN QUITE A FEW MORE VOTES THAN THE CONSERVATIVES. BUT THAT’S AN ADDED TWIST THAT YOU’VE GOT A PARTY THAT HAS GOT A LOT MORE VOTES THAT CAME SECOND IN TERMS OF SEATS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO CLAIMING LEGITIMACY, BOTH OF THEM HAVE A CLAIM.>>Rosemary: HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL PLAY OUT IN THE ELECTION ON MONDAY WATCHING FROM HERE, HOW WILL THAT — DON’T PREDICT THE ELECTION, BUT — HOW DO YOU THINK THE ISSUES WILL FACTOR IN?>>I THINK A LOT OF THE VOTERS IN QUÉBEC ARE VOTING FOR CHANGE. SO WHEN THEY’RE LOOKING AT THE OFFERING, THEY HAVE MORE OPTIONS TO LOOK AT. WHAT WE’VE SEEN NATIONALLY AND IN OTHER PROVINCIAL LEGISLATURES, EVEN IF YOU’RE A SMALL PARTY YOU CAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE AND SOMETIMES YOUR PARTY CARRIES MORE WEIGHT. YOU THINK OF ELIZABETH MAY IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, SHE HAS QUITE A BIT OF WEIGHT AND SHE’S ONE LONE PERSON AND A LIBERAL BACK BENCHER WHO MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND KEEPS THEIR MOUTH SHUT. MILLENNIALS, AND I AM ONE OF THEM, SOMETIMES THINK MAYBE HAVING MORE CHOICE IS NOT A BAD THING AND MAYBE COOPERATION IS A GOOD THING. SO I DON’T THINK WE’RE ALLERGIC TO GIVING PARTIES THE CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER. THINK I THAT’S BASICALLY THE LESSON IN NEW BRUNSWICK AND IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE LESSON IN QUÉBEC AS WELL.>>Rosemary: WHAT IS THE LESSON FOR FEDERAL PARTIES WATCHING THIS? MAXIME BERNIER, ELIZABETH MAY, THESE PEOPLE OFFERING VERY SPECIFIC LITTLE THINGS MAYBE, OR BIG THINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, SMALL PARTIES MIGHT TAKE COMFORT IN WHAT THEY’RE SEEING?>>YEAH, WE’RE GETTING A GLIMPSE OF THE FUTURE. THERE ARE ALREADY SEVEN PARTIES REPRESENTED NOW IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. IF YOU INCLUDE MAXIME BERNIER’S PEOPLE’S PARTY AND ERIN WEIR REVIVED.>>Rosemary: THAT IS GENEROUS OF YOU.>>BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE FIVE. AND YEAH, TO TAKE UP THAT POINT. PEOPLE ARE LESS MOORED TO THE OLD TWO PARTY OR THREE PARTY SYSTEM. YOU SEE THE N.D.P. DOING WELL IN ATLANTIC CANADA IN RECENT YEARS. YOU’RE SEEING NEW PARTIES LIKE THE PEOPLE ALLIANCE IN NEW BRUNSWICK. AND WE NEED A SYSTEM THAT IS GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, CAN MAKE THAT WORK FOR PEOPLE SO WE DON’T SIT THERE WAITING ON ELECTION NIGHT FOR THE ACCIDENTS OF THE SPLIT VOTE. THAT IS PART OF WHAT MAKES THE QUÉBEC ELECTION SO UNPREDICTABLE. YOU HAVE FOUR PARTY SPLITS. EVEN IF THE POLLS ARE RIGHT, YOU DON’T HAVE TO CLEAR IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE SEAT COUNT. WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS ILL SUITED TO THE POLITICS.>>LET’S AGREE ON ONE THING. IF ONE OF THE PARTIES IN QUÉBEC, IT’S NICE TO HAVE CHOICES, BUT THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH FOUR DAYS TO GO, A LOT OF VOTERS SAYING I DON’T REALLY LIKE ANY OF THE CHOICES. NONE OF THE PARTIES HAS MANAGED TO SAY I’M IT, OR GIVE VOTERS REASON TO SAY THIS IS WHO WE WANT, AND THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE RESULTS MIGHT BE A SLIP IF THEY WILL BE. IF YOU HAVE TO SUM UP WHAT QUÉBECERS WOULD LIKE, IT REMAINS A MINORITY GOVERNMENT. THEY WANT TO TRY SOMETHING OUT WITH A CHANCE TO BRING IT BACK FOR A REFUND QUICKLY IF THEY DON’T LIKE IT. AND THAT TELLS YOU NOBODY HERE IN THIS PROVINCE HAS RUN A VERY EXCITING INSPIRING CAMPAIGN TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.>>Rosemary: LAST WORD ON THIS AND THEN ANOTHER TOPIC.>>SOUNDS LIKE MY SHOPPING HABITS. BUY SOMETHING, BRING IT BACK IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT. I THINK THAT — YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN HE RENEGED ON THE ELECTORAL REFORM, HE SAID P.R. WAS GOING TO BE BIG AND IT WAS GOING TO GIVE ELECTORAL MAP OF FRINGE CANDIDATES AND IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE BIG TENT PARTIES THAT BROUGHT THE VOICES. WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS THE PUBLIC IS COMFORTABLE HAVING A PIECE OF PARLIAMENT AND WHILE IT’S TRUE THAT ON MONDAY THERE MAY NOT BE A CLEAR WINNER AND IT MIGHT MEAN THAT THE ROAST OF US ARE LEARNING A LOT ABOUT HOW WEST MINISTER GOVERNMENT WORKS AND WHAT THE NORMS ARE AND CONSTITUTIONAL PRACTISES, IT’S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR POLITICAL LEADERS TO BE ACCURATE AND CLEAR WITH THE ELECTORATE ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. FOR EXAMPLE, IN NEW BRUNSWICK, I DON’T KNOW IT’S REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE P.C. LEADER TO COME OUT AND SAY THE LIBERAL LEADER DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE BECAUSE THAT’S NOT HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAY OUT. LET’S ALL BE GRIPPED TO THE EDGE OF THE SEATS AND SEE HOW THE POLITICAL LEADERS DEAL.>>IT MAY BE THE VOTERS ARE GETTING MORE SOPHISTICATED. I WANT TO DO A GO AROUND ON DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF WHAT HE SAID ABOUT CANADA’S NEGOTIATING TACTICS. DURING THE EPIC PRESS CONFERENCE, HERE’S A REMINDER.>>FRANKLY WE’RE THINKING ABOUT JUST TAXING CARS COMING IN FROM CANADA, THAT’S THE MOTHER LODE, THAT’S THE BIG ONE. WE’RE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS AND THE NEGOTIATING STYLE OF CANADA. WE DON’T LIKE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE VERY MUCH.>>Rosemary: ONE GO ROUND ON THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS I GUESS IT IS PART OF HOW HE NEGOTIATES AS WE COME UP TO THIS DEADLINE THAT CHANTAL DOESN’T LIKE ME TO CALL A DEADLINE, BUT THE THING ON SUNDAY THAT EVERYONE IS CALLING DEADLINE. DOES WHAT HE DID THERE YESTERDAY CHANGE ANYTHING FOR CANADIANS IN TERMS OF THEIR HOPES ABOUT GETTING A DEAL HERE?>>WELL, ONE, IF THE HOPE WAS TO HAVE SOME CANADIAN PRESSURE POLITICAL AT LEAST PUT ON TRUDEAU, THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN. I WOULD ARGUE THAT A FEW MORE NEWS CONFERENCE LIKE THAT THEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL WANT TO CALL AN ELECTION ON IT, BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENS OVER THAT PRESS CONFERENCE WHICH WAS SURREAL, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT DONALD TRUMP AND SAYING, WELL, IF WE CAN’T GET A DEAL WITH THIS GUY, IT’S NOT OUR GUY’S FAULT.>>YEAH, WHEN YOU PERSONALIZE IT THAT WAY, YOU’RE NOT GOING TO MAKE YARDS IN CANADIAN PUBLIC OPINION. LOOK, LOTS OF PEOPLE IN CANADA FIND THIS GOVERNMENT ANNOYING. BUT WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS IT, I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO TAKE THE SIDE OF THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RATHER THAN TRUMP. I DON’T KNOW IT’S GOING TO HAVE MUCH IMPACT. I DON’T KNOW IF HE HAD INTENT OR IF HE WAS RRIFFING.>>IT WAS A LITTLE STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS.>>I THINK HIS INTENT WAS TO SAY TO THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT I’M READY TO IMPOSE AUTO TARIFFS. I THINK WHAT ALSO HAPPENED YESTERDAY WAS THAT WE SAW DAVID MacNAUGHTON, OUR AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES SAY VERY CLEARLY WHAT IS AT STAKE AND WHY CANADA IS NOT BUDGING. THE IDEA WE SIGN AN AGREEMENT BUT ALLOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO CLAIM A NATURAL LOOPHOLE, THAT CAN’T HAPPEN IF WE SIGN A DEAL ON NAFTA. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE BACKING THE GOVERNMENT ON THAT ONE.>>Rosemary: WHICH I THINK IS THE CONSERVATIVES’ WORST NIGHTMARE, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ELECTION WHERE IT’S TRUMP VERSUS TRUDEAU AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS.>>EASY TO IMAGINE.>>Rosemary: WE’RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANKS, EVERYBODY. BEFORE WE GO, SUBSCRIBE TO THE “AT ISSUE” PODCAST EDITION. HOW THE CONSERVATIVES ARE USING CRIME AS A WEDGE ISSUE.>>Andrew: STILL LOTS MORE TO COMMON OTT “NATIONAL”, INCLUDING A RAUCOUS DAY OUTSIDE OF A COURTHOUSE AS PEOPLE RALLIED IN SUPPORT OF TOMMY ROBINSON.>>SPOKE THE TRUTH.>>THIS IS THE FAR RIGHT, ANTI-MUSLIM ACTIVIST WITH A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE WHO WAS SENT TO PRISON FOR BREAKING THE LAW.>>Andrew: TOMORROW NIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL”, IT’S BEEN A WEEK SINCE THE OTTAWA-GATINEAU AREA WAS HIT BY SIX TORNADOES. WE’LL SHOW YOU HOW PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH THE DAMAGE LEFT BEHIND AND THE CLEANUP AHEAD.>>VERY VIOLENT. YOU OK?>>THIS IS THE MAIN DAMAGED ROOM WHERE THE TREE CAME IN.>>HOLY –>>I HAVE MY AMAZING KIDS AND HUSBAND AND FRIENDS. NATIONAL”, A NEW CORONER REPORT IN B.C. LOOKING AT 900 DRUG OVERDOSE DEATHS LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE. IT FOUND MOST OF THOSE HAPPENED NOT ON THE STREET, BUT WHILE PEOPLE WERE ALONE AT HOME. A VAST MAJORITY OF THE VICTIMS, 81% OF THEM, WERE MALE. DRUG OVERDOSES ARE STILL CAUSING MORE THAN THREE DEATHS A DAY IN B.C.>>AT THE TIME YOU MADE THESE STATEMENTS, COULD NOT SECURE FUNDING FOR THE PROPOSED TRANSACTION.>>THAT’S THE SEC ANNOUNCING TODAY IT’S SUING ELON MUSK. THE LAWSUIT CENTRES ON TWEETS WHERE HE CLAIMED A SECURE FUNDING TO TAKE TESLA PRIVATE. MUSK CALLED THE ACTION UNJUSTIFIED.>>WE’RE KEEPING AN EYE ON A POWERFUL SLOW MOVING TYPHOON HEADING TOWARD JAPAN. IT’S TRACKING ACROSS THE PACIFIC TOWARD THE SOUTHWESTERN ISLAND. FORECASTERS SAY IT WILL LIKELY HIT IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO AND WHEN IT DOES, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WARNED TO EXPECT DESTRUCTIVE WINDS AND HEAVY RAIN.>>>WELL, IT WAS A CHAOTIC SCENE OUTSIDE A LONDON COURTHOUSE AS HUNDREDS OF SUPPORTERS AND COUNTERPROTESTERS GREETED THE MAN KNOWN AS TOMMY ROBINSON. THE 35-YEAR-OLD APPEARED BEFORE A JUDGE ON CONTEMPT OF COURT RELATED TO AN INCIDENT IN MAY. ROBINSON HAS GARNERED A GLOBAL AUDIENCE ONLINE, PRESENTING HIMSELF AS A FREE SPEECH ACTIVIST, BUT CONSIDERED AN ANTI-I SEE ISLAM AGITATOR. THOMAS DAIGLE HAS MORE.>>Reporter: HIS NAME RALLIES THOSE WITH LIKE MINDED VIEWS. AN ARMY SO PASSIONATE ABOUT HIS CAUSE, THEY SHOW UP OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE WHEN HE’S INSIDE.>>SPEAK THE TRUTH, ABOUT — YOU KNOW WHAT ABOUT. ISLAM, SHARIA LAW.>>Reporter: HE FANCIES HIMSELF A JOURNALIST WITH PROVOCATIVE STATEMENTS.>>WE HAVE TO STOP ISLAM.>>A Facebook LIVE STREAM ULTIMATELY GOT HIM ARRESTED REPORTING IN HIS OWN WAY OUTSIDE A TRIAL WITH A PUBLICATION BAN. AUTHORITIES CONSIDERED IT CONTEMPT OF COURT.>>THIS IS A FAR RIGHT ANTI-MUSLIM CRIMINAL.>>LOOK AT HOW ROBINSON FIRST BECAME KNOWN A DECADE AGO BY LEADING CHAOTIC RALLIES WITH THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE. A GROUP PROMOTING BRITISH VALUES OVER WHAT IT CONSIDERED CREEPING SHARIA LAW.>>LOOK AROUND YOU, FEEL YOUR STRENGTH.>>Reporter: AMONG HIS FOLLOWERS BACK THEN WAS IVAN HUMBLE, HE NOW REJECTS THE GROUP, BUT KEEPS THE TATTOO AS A REMINDER OF HOW ENTHRALLED HE BECAME.>>THERE WAS NOBODY LISTENING TO ME AND I FOUND A VOICE IN THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE TO SELF-BLAME, UNCONSCIOUSLY, YOU DON’T REALIZE. BECAUSE YOU READ THE SAME STUFF. YOU DON’T REALIZE IT’S AFFECTING IN YOUR HEAD.>>Reporter: IT’S THE FIRST TIME HE RETURNS TO THE TOWN HALL SINCE THE GROUP WAS BANNED HERE IN THE HEART OF ROBINSON’S HOME TOWN. HIS OLD STOMPS GROUNDS, ROBINSON CHANNELLED FIERCE OF ISLAM AS A THREAT TO LOCAL CULTURE. THEN TURNING TO SOCIAL MEDIA, ROBINSON GAINED AN OVERSEAS AUDIENCE AND A BIG BOOST FROM CANADA.>>WHAT HE SAYS IS CLEAR AND PHILOSOPHICAL.>>Reporter: LIKE MINDED FIRE BRAND EZRA LEVANT OFFERED ROBINSON A PLATFORM ON HIS ALTERNATIVE NETWORK, REBEL MEDIA. RACKING UP MILLIONS OF VIEWS WITH STUNTS LIKE THIS.>>YOU’RE SCUM, YOU’RE DEFENDING CHILD RAPISTS.>>Reporter: ANTAGONIZING THE ACCUSED AND THEIR FAMILIES OUTSIDE RAPE TRIALS.>>EXPOSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.>>Reporter: AND BLAMING ISLAM AS THE SOURCE OF THE CRIME.>>INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PERPETRATE THE CRIMES, HE CALLS WHOLE OF OF THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND ISLAM RESPONSIBLE.>>HIS SUPPORTERS SAW HIS ARREST AS AN ATTACK ON FREE SPEECH. THEY MARCHED IN HIS DEFENCE, MANY LIKELY UNAWARE THE DEMONSTRATION WAS PARTLY FUNDED BY A THINK TANK AN OCEAN AWAY.>>HOW DO YOU SPEND MONEY THAT GOES TO SUPPORT, GIVE AIR, OXYGEN TO THESE COMMENTS?>>SO, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE OXYGEN TO THE COMMENTS, IT’S ABOUT HIS RIGHT TO SAY IT. IT’S IMPORTANT FOR AN AMERICAN ORGANIZATION TO STAND UP FOR SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT THE THREAT OF ISLAMISM AND IT’S OCCURRING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.>>Reporter: RELEASED FROM PRISON ON AUGUST 1, ROBINSON GAVE FEW INTERVIEWS. BUT A PRIME TIME SPOT ON FOX NEWS CONFIRMED HIS AUDIENCE HAD REACHED GLOBAL PROPORTIONS.>>THE MINUTE YOU CRITICIZE ISLAM YOU’RE ATTACKED BY EVERYBODY.>>Reporter: AS HIS RETRIAL GOT UNDER WAY TODAY AND THREAT OF PRISON TIME LOOMS, HIS SUPPORTERS SHOWED THEY’LL HAVE HIS BACK. AND WHEN HE SPEAKS HIS MIND, THEY’LL LISTEN. THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, LONDON.>>Rosemary: MOMENT OF THE DAY IS NEXT. WE’LL HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO TUNED INTO THE FORD-KAVANAUGH HEARING. SOME WERE IN CLASS, DOCTORS’ OFFICE OR MID FLIGHT.>>FOR ME, PERSONALLY, IT’S BEEN VERY HARD TO WATCH, VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE SOMEONE STRUGGLE WITH WHAT IS VERY>>Hi, I need the, uh…>>Yeah, that way, yep.>>Okay. [loud footsteps]>>Yeah. Out of my way. * >>Rosemary: AMERICANS OFTEN GET CAUGHT UP WATCHING WASHINGTON’S MANY DRAMAS. TODAY WAS A REMARKABLE DAY, ONE THAT SEEMED TO HAVE EVERYONE REALLY TRANSFIXED. SOME VIEWED BRETT KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION HEARING A TONE DEAF RESPONSE TO A BIGGER ISSUE OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. FEW AMERICANS MISSED IT. WHERE, HOW AND WHY THEY WATCHED IT IS TONIGHT’S “MOMENT.”>>I WATCHED THE HEARINGS TODAY NOT IN MINNEAPOLIS, THOUGH. I WAS ACTUALLY AT 37,000 FEET. I SAW THE FIRST HEARING ON MY HAWAII TO SEATTLE FLIGHT. AND THE SECOND HEARING FROM SEATTLE TO MINNEAPOLIS.>>I THINK THE WORLD IS WATCHING, OUR KIDS ARE WATCHING, GIRLS AND BOYS.>>I WATCHED IT ON MY iPad IN THE CAR, ON MY PHONE IN THE RESTAURANT. WHEN I DIDN’T HAVE INTERNET SERVICE, I LISTENED TO IT ALL DAY LONG. EVERYWHERE I WENT TODAY, EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. PEOPLE INSIDE THE RESTAURANT KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. EVERYBODY WAS JUST WATCHING.>>I WATCHED KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY.>>IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT I CATCH THE ENTIRE EVENTS OF TODAY. I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE HAVE A TERRIBLE SEXUAL VIOLENCE PROBLEM HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.>>I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO WATCH THIS HEARING AND PAY ATTENTION TO THIS, BECAUSE IF CONFIRMED, KAVANAUGH COULD IMPACT OUR RIGHTS AND OUR DAILY LIVES.>>Andrew: ROSIE, I, LIKE YOU, I’M SURE, WAS GLUED TO THE HEARINGS ALL DAY. I WONDER, THOUGH, NOT A GREAT SURPRISE, PERHAPS THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT, MAYBE, THE LACK OF ANY DEFINITIVE CONCLUSION OR CONSENSUS OUT OF THIS POLITICALLY OR CULTURALLY IF WE’RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE NOW THAN WE WERE WHEN THE DAY STARTED. I DON’T KNOW.>>Rosemary: YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT DID COME DOWN TO HE SAID-SHE SAID DAY AND YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. “TIME” IS REPORTING THAT THE NATIONAL SEXUAL ASSAULT HOTLINE SAW A SPIKE OF 147% CALLS ON THURSDAY. IF IT JUST GETS PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE, MAYBE IT’S MOVED THE DIAL AND MOVED THINGS A LITTLE BIT IN THAT DIRECTION. OK. THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR SEPTEMBER 27. GOOD NIGHT.>>Andrew: GOOD NIGHT.

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