The National for August 14, 2019 — Trudeau’s Ethics Breach, Markets Plunge, At Issue


(*)) (*)>>Andrew: TONIGHT, THE PRIME MINISTER UNDER FIRE AS THE SNC-LAVALIN CONTROVERSY MA MAKES A DRAMATIC RETURN.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MISTAKES THAT I MADE.>>Andrew: A DAMNING ETHICS REPORT SAYS THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU BROKE THE LAW. WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR HIM, FOR JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD, AND THE ELECTION JUST 10 WEEKS AWAY? WE HAVE EXTENSIVE COVERAGE, INCLUDING “AT ISSUE.” (*) [BELL RINGS]>>Ian: NORTH AMERICAN MARKETS PLUNGE, THE BIGGEST DROP OF THE YEAR. WHY IT’S FUELLED BY FEAR OF A RECESSION. (*)>>THERE’S SO MUCH LOVE FOR HER IN THE WORLD AND SO MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT WHAT SHE’S DOING.>>Andrew: AND BON VOYAGE. A TEENAGED ACTIVIST SETS SAIL FOR A CLIMATE CHANGE SUMMIT IN NEW YORK. HOW GRETA THUNBERG IS INSPIRING A GENERATION.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU CAME TO POWER FOUR YEARS AGO, PROMISING A NEW ERA OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY AND NOW WEEKS BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION IS SET TO BEGIN HE’S BEEN FOUND TO HAVE VIOLATED THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAWS AGAIN. THIS TIME IN THE SNC-LAVALIN AFFAIR. AT THE CENTRE OF IT WAS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO CLAIMED THAT SHE HAD BEEN IMPROPERLY PRESSURED TO HELP THE QUÉBEC ENGINEERING GIANT TO AVOID CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. AND THEN YOU HAD A PRIME MINISTER SAYING THAT WAS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE AND THAT HE DID NOTHING WRONG. WELL, TODAY THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER DISAGREED. THE SCATHING REPORT DESCRIBES HOW TRUDEAU ENGAGED IN A “FLAGRANT ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD, TO FURTHER SNC-LAVALIN’S PRIVATE INTERESTS,” AND DECLARED THAT TRUDEAU AND HIS OFFICE USED THEIR AUTHORITY TO “CIRCUMVENT, UNDERMINE AND ULTIMATELY ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT WILSON-RAYBOULD’S AUTHORITY AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.” NOW THERE’S NO PENALTY OR EVEN FINE FOR BREAKING THESE RULES. THE PRICE IS POLITICAL. AND THE COST HAS ADDED UP FOR THE GOVERNING LIBERAL. KATIE SIMPSON EXPLAINS HOW THIS RULING MARKS ANOTHER STUNNING BLOW NOW LESS THAN 10 WEEKS BEFORE VOTERS GO TO THE POLLS.>>Reporter: FACING A DAMNING ASSESSMENT OF HIS ACTION, THE PRIME MINISTER TODAY ACKNOWLEDGED MISTAKES WERE MADE. WHAT HAPPENED WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN ON HIS WATCH, JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAYS, BUT DON’T FOR A MOMENT THINK THAT HE’S SORRY.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WHAT WE DID OVER THE PAST YEAR WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I CAN’T APOLOGISE FOR STANDING UP FOR CANADIAN JOBS.>>Reporter: IN HIS REPORT, ETHICS COMMISSIONER MARIO DION FOUND THAT THE PRIME MINISTER “DIRECTLY AND THROUGH HIS SENIOR OFFICIALS, USED VARIOUS MEANS TO EXERT INFLUENCE OVER MISS WILSON-RAYBOULD.” THERE WERE MANY WAYS THAT TRUDEAU WENT TO TRY TO BEND THE WILL OF THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, DIRECTING HIS STAFF TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WOULD SAFEGUARD SNC-LAVALIN’S BUSINESS INTERESTS.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE PRIME MINISTER AND I ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN MY OFFICE.>>Reporter: WHILE HE’S NOW PUBLICLY ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY, HE TOLD DION SOMETHING ELSE. “MR. TRUDEAU ARGUED THAT HE COULD NOT VICARIOUSLY LIABLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF HIS SENIOR ADVISORS AND OTHER SENIOR DEPARTMENTAL OFFICIALS.” DION DIDN’T BUY IT. THE EVIDENCE ABUNDANTLY SHOWS THAT “MR. TRUDEAU KNOWINGLY SOUGHT TO INFLUENCE MISS WILSON-RAYBOULD BOTH DIRECTLY AND THROUGH THE ACTIONS OF HIS AGENTS.”>>I EXPERIENCED A CONSISTENT AND SUSTAINED EFFORT BY MANY PEOPLE WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT TO SEEK TO POLITICALLY INTERFERE.>>Reporter: THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION LINES UP WITH THE VERSION OF EVENTS PRESENTED BY THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO DESCRIBES THE REPORT AS A VINDICATION OF SORTS.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE HERE TO WARRANT AN RCMP INVESTIGATION.>>Reporter: AMID RENEWED CALLS FOR POLICE TO STEP IN, THE RCMP SAID IT IS “EXAMINING THIS MATTER CAREFULLY AND WILL TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS AS REQUIRED.”>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHO JUSTIN TRUDEAU TRULY IS. AND IT’S NOT WHO HE PROMISED HE WOULD BE.>>Reporter: TRUDEAU’S OPPONENTS WERE QUICK TO POINT OUT THIS IS HIS SECOND ETHICS VIOLATION. A FAMILY VACATION IN 2016 TO THE AGA KHAN’S PRIVATE ISLAND BROKE THE RULES, SINCE THE SPIRITUAL LEADER HAD LOBBIED THE GOVERNMENT.>>MR. TRUDEAU CANNOT BE THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA AND I’M HOPING THAT PEOPLE IN THE ELECTION COMING UP WILL MAKE THAT DECISION.>>Andrew: AND KATIE SIMPSON IS IN THE FOYER OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. SO LET’S HEAR MORE ABOUT THE PERSON AT THE CENTRE OF THIS SCANDAL. WHAT MORE DID JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD HAVE TO SAY?>>Reporter: SHE SAYS THAT SHE’S GRATEFUL FOR THE REPORT AND ADDING THAT SHE’S GLAD THAT THE COMMISSIONER WASN’T DISTRACTED BY WRONG INFORMATION ABOUT THE EVENTS OR ABOUT HER PERSONALLY. SHE’S NOW GOING TO POINT TO THIS AS EVIDENCE THAT SHE WANTS TO DO POLITICS DIFFERENTLY.>>Andrew: YEAH, AND SHE IS RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT IN VANCOUVER. BUT FOR THE LIBERALS — AND I’M THINKING AHEAD HERE — ARE THERE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE TRUDEAU ADVISORS WHO WILL BE WORKING ON HIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN?>>Reporter: NO ONE HAS BEEN THROWN UNDER THE BUS JUST YET. JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS STANDING BY HIS INNER CIRCLE. NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED. NO ONE HAS BEEN KICKED OFF HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN TEAM. BUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAID THAT THIS WILL BE PART OF A BIGGER QUESTION FOR CANADIANS WHEN THEY VOTE THIS FALL.>>Andrew: OKAY, KATIE SIMPSON ON PARLIAMENT HILL TONIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>>JUST HOURS AFTER THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER DROPPED HIS REPORT, THE PRIME MINISTER RELEASED A REPORT THAT HE COMMISSIONED ON WHETHER THE DUAL ROLE OF MINISTER OF JUSTICE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD CHANGE. THEY ARE TWO JOBS, EACH WITH MUCH DIFFERENT DUTIES. THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE IS A POLITICAL ROLE, RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVELOPING POLICY, DRAFTING LEGISLATION. ATTORNEY GENERAL, MEANWHILE, GIVES NON-PARTISAN LEGAL ADVICE TO CABINET AND REPRESENTS THE GOVERNMENT IN COURT. SO IT RAISES THE QUESTION — WITH TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, IS IT TIME TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE PERFORM THEM? WELL, TODAY THE REPORT CONCLUDED, NO, AND THAT SPLITTING THEM DOESN’T BENEFIT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. NOW JUSTIN TRUDEAU DID COVER A LOT OF GROUND TODAY WHEN HE STEPPED IN FRONT EVER THE MICROPHONES, SAYING THAT HE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS MISTAKES BUT ALSO HE DEFENDED WHAT HE DID. VASSY KAPELOS, THE HOST OF “POWER & POLITICS,” OF COURSE, ALSO IS IN OTTAWA. SO HOW DO WE MAKE SENSE OF TRUDEAU’S AT TIMES CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT?>>Reporter: WELL, ANDREW, WE DON’T HAVE TO LOOK FAR. TAKE A LISTEN TO THE PRIME MINISTER’S FIRST ANSWER IN RESPONSE TO A REPORTER’S QUESTION EARLIER TODAY ON THIS ISSUE.>> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER FOR HIS REPORT. AND EVEN THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF HIS CONCLUSIONS I FULLY ACCEPT THIS REPORT. AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED.>>Reporter: THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD PIQUE OUR INTEREST HERE IS HOW DO YOU ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCEPT THE REPORT, BUT THEN ALSO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH PART OF IT? AND THE PART THAT THE PRIME MINISTER DISAGREES WITH IS A BIG ONE. IT KIND OF UNDERPINS THE WHOLE — THE WHOLE CONCLUSION THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER REACHED, WHICH IS THAT THE PRIME MINISTER SHOULD NEVER HAVE TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THIS AT ALL. SO THE PRIME MINISTER ON ONE HAND IS SAYING I DON’T AGREE WITH THAT PART, BUT, HEY, I ACCEPT THE REPORT. AND THE TWO DON’T JIBE.>>Andrew: RIGHT. AND SO THAT’S ONE THING, BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT EVERYONE IS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS NOW, IF THIS HAS AN IMPACT. AND THE PRIME MINISTER ADDRESSED THAT TOO.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: MANY LESSONS TO BE LEARNED ON THIS AND THAT’S WHY WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO BOTH ADVOCATE FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND DEFEND THE INTEGRITY AND THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR JUDICIAL AND PROSECUTORIAL PROCESSES.>>Reporter: HERE THE PRIME MINISTER IS DOING SOMETHING HE’S DONE A FEW TIMES OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. HE’S SAYING THIS IS ABOUT THE ROLE OF A JUSTICE MINISTER AND THE ROLE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND HOW THEY WERE CONFUSED. AND IT JUST WASN’T CLEAR WHAT HE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS OFFICE COULD SAY TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CONCLUSION THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER REACHED. HE SAID THAT UNDERPINNING IT ALL, AGAIN, IS THE FACT THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND THOSE MEMBERS MUCH HIS OFFICE ACTED UNETHICALLY IN WHATEVER PURSUIT OF WHAT WAS THEIR MOTIVATION.>>AND WHETHER IT’S TO SAVE JOBS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND THE WAY THEY DID IT WAS UNETHICAL, THEY BROKE THE RULES. ANDREW?>>Andrew: VASSY KAPELOS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT CONSEQUENCE WILL CERTAINLY BE HOW CANADIANS REACT. AND THAT’S TRUE FOR JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD AS WELL. SHE QUIT THE LIBERAL CABINET BEFORE BEING KICKED OUT OF CAUCUS. AND AS I MENTIONED, IN THE FALL SHE WILL BE RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE. SO WE WENT TO HER RIDING OF VANCOUVER-GRANVILLE TO SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE TAKING TODAY’S NEWS.>>I HAVE MY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE STORY WAS DEALT WITH AND HOW IT’S BEEN DRAGGED OUT OVER MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.>>I ALWAYS BELIEVED HER. I LOVE HER. I WILL VOTE FOR HER, FOR SURE. SHE JUST SEEMS GENUINE AND BELIEVABLE. AND THE STORY THAT SHE WAS TELLING HAD A RING OF TRUTH TO IT FOR SURE.>>SHE USED TO BE IN MY RIDING AND I HAD NEVER VOTED FOR HER AND SHE’S NOT GETTING MY VOTE.>>SHE’S A FIGHTER AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR HER, ESPECIALLY AROUND THIS AREA. I REALLY LIKE HER. I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE WON FOR PRIME MINISTER. SHE WOULD BE GOOD.>>I THINK WHEN YOU PRETEND THAT YOU’RE FOR EVERYBODY AND YOU SHOW THEM THAT YOU’RE JUST AS BAD AS EVERYBODY ELSE THAT IT COMES BACK AND HAUNTS YOU. HE’S BEEN TRYING TO BE VIRTUOUS AND HE’S OBVIOUSLY NOT VIRTUOUS. AND THE ONLY VIRTUOUS PERSON IN THE WHOLE THING WAS JODY.>>Andrew: I THINK YOU’LL AGREE THAT A DAY LIKE TODAY BEGS FOR “AT ISSUE.” SO SUMMER BREAK ASIDE, WE HAVE ASSEMBLED THE PANEL. CHANTAL HEBERT AND ANDREW COYNE AND CHRIS HALL WILL JOIN ME WITH THEIR TAKES ON ALL OF THIS IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES.>>>IAN, WE’RE ALSO WATCHING HONG KONG TONIGHT.>>Ian: ANDREW, AS YOU KNOW IT’S BEEN VOLATILE THERE, AND CANADIANS ARE URGED BY OTTAWA TO USE CAUTION. AFTER 10 WEEKS NO END IN SIGHT TO THE INCREASINGLY VIOLENT CLASHES BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS AND POLICE. CHAOS PARALYSED HONG KONG’S BUSY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT FOR TWO DAYS UNTIL A COURT ORDER TODAY FORCED THE DEMONSTRATORS OUT. BUT AS TANYA FLETCHER REPORTS, THE TENSION DIDN’T END THERE.>>Reporter: THE VIOLENCE BETWEEN PROTESTERS AND POLICE HASN’T STOPPED, BUT IT HAS MOVED ELSEWHERE. THE CLASHES TURNED FROM THE AIRPORT BACK TO THE STREETS. THIS GROUP OF DEMONSTRATORS DESCENDING ON A POLICE STATION TO DENOUNCE POLICE BRUTALITY. SOME AIMING LASER POINTERS AT THE BUILDING. THEIR ACTIONS MET WITH TEAR GAS FROM RIOT POLICE. THE LOOMING CONCERN IS HOW BEIJING WILL RESPOND. NEW SATELLITE IMAGES ARE HERE TO SHOW A SIGNIFICANT CHINESE MILITARY BUILD-UP ALONG HONG KONG’S BORDER. OTHER FOOTAGE SHOWS MORE PARA-MILITARY PERSONNEL STATIONED SHENZHEN. THE UNREST IS STIRRING UP UNEASE AROUND THE WORLD. NOW MORE THAN TWO DOZEN COUNTRIES HAVE TRAVEL ADVISORIES, INCLUDING CANADA.>>The Hon. Chyrstia Freeland: CURRENTLY OUR ADVICE IS TO EXERCISE A HIGH DEGREE OF CAUTION.>>Reporter: THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER IS NOW PUBLICLY WARNING CANADIANS, NOT JUST TRAVELLERS, BUT ALSO THE 300,000 LIVING IN HONG KONG. SHE CHOSE HER WORDS VERY CAREFULLY WHEN ASKED ABOUT CHINA, DESCRIBING THE PROTESTS AS “MERE TERRORIST ACTS.” WORDS INTERPRETED BY MANY AS A THREAT.>>The Hon. Chyrstia Freeland: I THINK THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD FOR GOVERNMENTS TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THEIR PEOPLE.>>Reporter: OTHERS NOT SO SUBTLE.>>I THINK THAT CHINA HAS OVERREACTED.>>Reporter: EMILY LAU IS A PRO-DEMOCRACY LEADER WITH A STRONG MESSAGE.>>WE’RE CALLING ON BEIJING NOT TO DO ANYTHING FOOLISH LIKE MOVING MORE TROOPS ACROSS THE BOUNDARY INTO HONG KONG. THIS IS NOT TIMENMAN SQUARE.>>Reporter: OTHER ANSWERS COME THE DEMONSTRATORS THEMSELVES, THEIR MESSAGE STILL THERE.>>WE STILL CONTINUE WITH OUR COURAGE AND URGE THE GOVERNMENT TO MUST LISTEN TO OUR VOICE.>>Reporter: JOSHUA WONG IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PROTEST LEADERS.>>I HOPE THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD STILL KEEP HONG KONG IN THE GLOBAL SPOTLIGHT.>>Reporter: HE SAYS THEY’RE PLANNING ANOTHER DEMONSTRATION FOR SUNDAY AND EXPECTING HALF A MILLION PEOPLE. TANYA FLETCHER, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER.>>Ian: AND ONE MORE NOTE ON THIS, AS THE U.S. AND CHINA TRY TO WORK OUT A TRADE DEAL. TODAY DONALD TRUMP POINTEDLY TIED ITS SUCCESS TO HOW CHINA HANDLES THE HONG KONG SITUATION. TWEETING OUT “OF COURSE CHINA WANTS TO MAKE A DEAL, BUT MAYBE MORE WITH HONG KONG FIRST.”>>>THE 16-YEAR-OLD CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIVIST WHO INSPIRED STUDENT PROTESTS AROUND THE WORLD HAS BEGUN A ZERO-EMISSION JOURNEY ACROSS THE OCEAN. INSTEAD OF FLYING TO THE CLIMATE SUMMIT NEXT MONTH IN NEW YORK, GRETA THUNBERG SET SAIL TODAY FROM ENGLAND. AND THE CBC’S SUSAN ORMISTON WAS THERE.>>Reporter: FOR MANY GRETA THUNBERG IS A BEACON OF HOPE FOR THE CLIMATE.>>SAFE JOURNEYS! BYE!>>Reporter: THE SWEDISH TEENAGER IS GOING TO AMERICA BUT SHE HAS TO GET THERE FIRST WITHOUT FLYING. AIR TRAVEL IS TOO CARBON DIRTY FOR HER.>>I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE WHAT TO DO OR WHAT NOT TO DO. I AM ONE OF THE VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO ACTUALLY CAN DO THIS AND THEN I THINK THAT I SHOULD TAKE THAT CHANCE TO DO THIS.>>Reporter: HER CHANCE IS TO CROSS THE ATLANTIC ON A HIGH-TECH RACING YACHT, THE MALITSIA2, WITH WATER AND SOLAR AND UNDERWATER TURBINES FOR ELECTRICITY. IT’S NOT COMFORTABLE. THE TOILETS ARE A BUCKET. HER BED IS A FOLD-DOWN BUNK FOR TWO WEEKS AT LEAST ON THE OPEN SEA — A CHALLENGE.>>MAYBE, I DON’T KNOW, SEA SICKNESS.>>Reporter: THUNBERG STARTED AS A SOLITARY PROTESTER IN STOCKHOLM, WORRIED ABOUT WHAT SHE CALLS A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. SHE ROCKETED OUT OF SWEDEN, ATTRACTING MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS AND NOW IN THE RUNNING FOR A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.>>I JUST WANT HER TO KNOW THAT THERE’S SO MUCH LOVE FOR HER IN THE WORLD. AND SO MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT WHAT SHE’S DOING. THERE’S A LOT OF TRIALS AND NEGATIVITY ABOUT WHAT THIS YOUNG WOMAN HAS ACHIEVED.>>Reporter: JUST A YEAR AGO NO ONE HAD HEARD OF GRETA THUNBERG, BUT WITH HER FEARLESS AND FRANK WAY OF SPEAKING, SHE HAS STRUCK A NERVE, PARTICULARLY WITH YOUNG PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT THEY’RE INHERITING A POLLUTED PLANET. BUT HER AGE AND HER MEDIORIC RISE AS A CLIMATE ACTIVIST HAS MADE HER A TARGET. IGNORANT AND MANIACAL AND MERCILESSLY MANIPULATED. SO YOUNG, SO MANY MENTAL DISORDERS BUT TREATED AS A GURU, AN AUSTRALIAN COLUMNIST. SHE BACKS OFF HER CRITICS.>>THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO DON’T UNDERSTAND OR DON’T ACCEPT THE SCIENCE. AND, I MEAN, I WILL JUST IGNORE THEM.>>Reporter: HER MISSION, SHE SAYS, IS SIMPLE — TO MAKE PEOPLE CARE. AND IF THAT SPREADS THERE WILL BE MORE ACTION. AN IDEALIST, MAYBE, BUT ONE WITH A POWERFUL GLOBAL PLATFORM. SUSAN ORMISTON, CBC NEWS, PLYMOUTH, ENGLAND.>>Ian: WE ARE LIVE AND TRACKING A BREAKING STORY OUT OF PHILADELPHIA TONIGHT. AT LEAST SIX POLICE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN SHOT IN WHAT OFFICIALS SAY IS STILL AN ACTIVE AND ONGOING STANDOFF.>>I’M TRYING TO LET HIM KNOW THAT HE CAN END THIS PEACEFULLY NOW. WE HAVE CALLED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES. HE HAS PICKED UP THE PHONE A COUPLE TIMES BUT HE’S NOT ANSWERED.>>Ian: THE SIX OFFICERS DON’T HAVE LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES. ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM AREA HOSPITALS. THE STANDOFF BEGAN AFTER POLICE TRIED TO SERVE A NARCOTICS WARRANT AT A HOME. THERE WAS AN EXCHANGE OF GUNFIRE. SOME OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO ESCAPE THROUGH WINDOWS AND DOORS. TWO OTHERS WERE TRAPPED INSIDE WITH THE SHOOT ARE BUT WE LEARNED THAT A S.W.A.T. TEAM MANAGED TO GET THEM OUT SAFELY. POLICE SAY THAT THE SHOOTER REMAINS INDEPENDENCE AND REMAINS ARMED.>>YOU SEE HIM CLEARLY HERE AND HE’S HOLDING A TOWEL OVER HIS HAND. AND SHE’S WALKING OUT BAREFOOT. THEY’RE ARGUING.>>Ian: AND PEEL REGIONAL POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR THIS MAN, 31-YEAR-OLD MICHAEL CLEGHORN, ACCUSED OF SHOOTING THAT WOMAN IN THAT VIDEO. AND OFFICERS TRIED TO TASER HIM AND EVEN FIRED ON THE CAR BUT HE GOT AWAY. DITCHING THE CREWSER A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY AND THEN STEALING AN S.U.V. HE’S ALSO WANTED ON MURDER CHARGES IN THUNDER BAY AND SEXUAL ASSAULT CHARGES IN TORONTO.>>WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REDUCE THE GUN VIOLENCE BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT TURN NEIGHBOURS AND COMMUNITIES UPSIDE DOWN.>>Ian: POLICE IN TORONTO HAVE UNVEILED A NEW PLAN FOR TACKLING GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY. THERE HAVE BEEN NEARLY 270 SHOOTINGS SO FAR THIS YEAR WITH MORE THAN 400 VICTIMS. THE NEW INITIATIVE IS CALLED “PROJECT COMMUNITY SPACE.” AND IT WILL ROLL OUT TOMORROW AND IT WILL LAST 11 WEEKS. AMONG OTHER THINGS IT WILL BOLSTER THE CITY’S GUNS AND GANGS UNIT AND MAKE OFFICERS MORE VISIBLE IN AREAS ASSOCIATED WITH GUN VIOLENCE.>>>A 31-YEAR-OLD FROM LONDON, ENGLAND, IS FACING THREE CRIMINAL CHARGES, ALLEGEDLY ASSAULTING AND THREATENING A FLIGHT ATTENDANT ON A PLANE FROM EUROPE BOUND FOR CHICAGO. BUT INSTEAD THE PILOT LANDED HERE IN HAPPY VALLEY-GOOSE BAY AFTER THE CREW MEMBERS RESTRAINED EDWARD MYHILL. THE RCMP ARRESTED HIM AND HE WILL STAY IN CUSTODY AT LEAST UNTIL NEXT WEEK.>>Andrew: OKAY, ANOTHER STORY THAT WE’RE WATCHING TONIGHT, GLOBAL STOCK MARKETS NEAR TURMOIL. THE SELLOFF BEGAN THIS MORNING IN THE U.S., SPARKED BY FEARS OVER A GLOBAL ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN. NOW THERE’S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS, PERHAPS MOST OMINOUS THOUGH IS THE BOND MARKET. SO PETER ARMSTRONG IS HERE TO TAKE US THROUGH IT. NOT A SIMPLE TOPIC. BUT WHAT ARE THE BOND MARKETS TELLING US?>>Reporter: IT’S FUNNY THAT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN THE BOND MARKET KIND OF REARS ITS HEAD AND REMINDS US THAT IT’S WAY BIGGER AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE STOCK MARKET. IT’S NEARLY TWICE AS BIG AS THE STOCK MARKET. IT TELLS US ALL KINDS OF REALLY IMPORTANT DATA ABOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND TODAY IT TOLD US THAT IT’S WORRIED — IT’S WORRIED ABOUT GLOBAL TRADE WARS. IT’S WORRIED ABOUT GLOBAL GROWTH SLOWING. WHEN THE BOND MARKET SAYS THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT IT’S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE.>>Andrew: WHAT PEOPLE ARE NOTICING IS THIS YIELD CURVE INVERSION, SO THE BOND MARKET IS DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT’S SUPPOSED TO DO?>>Reporter: RIGHT, THE YIELD CURVE SOUNDS VERY JARGONY AND COMPLICATED, BUT IT’S NOT. IF YOU LOAN ON THE SHORT TERM, TWO YEARS, SAY, AND THAT USUALLY WOULD YIELD YOU LESS REWARD THAN A LONGER LOAN OF, SAY, TWO — 10 YEARS. THAT’S IT. THAT’S THE SO-CALLED YIELD CURVE. AND THIS MORNING IT FLIPPED. THE TWO-YEAR U.S. TREASURY BILL HAD A HIGHER YIELD THAN THE 10-YEAR TREASURY BILL.>>Andrew: RIGHT, BUT THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED WAS 10 YEARS AGO, RIGHT, BUT WHAT FOLLOWED WAS A FINANCIAL CRISIS.>>Reporter: ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. IN FACT, THE LAST SEVEN RECESSIONS HAVE BEEN PRECIPITATED BY SOME KIND OF INVERSION AT SOME POINT IN THAT YIELD CURVE.>>Andrew: AND TODAY’S INVERSION WAS SHORT LIVED AND THE STOCK MARKETS, IT’S COLD COMFORT FOR THEM THOUGH?>>Reporter: IT WAS. IT ONLY ACTUALLY INVERTED FOR A COUPLE HOURS BUT THE STOCK MARKET SAID TO PAY ATTENTION AND THE BOND MARKET SAID TO PAY ATTENTION AND THE STOCK MARKET CAUGHT UP AND TOOK NOTICE AS THEY SHOULD. AND LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE. THE DOW PLUNGED AND IT CLOSED THE DAY NEARLY 3%, 800 POINTS. AND THIS REALLY JUST ADDS TO WHAT IS AN UGLY FEW WEEKS FOR THE DOW. IT’S DOWN NEARLY 2,000 POINTS IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.>>Andrew: PETER ARMSTRONG, THANK YOU, SIR.>>Reporter: YOU BET.>>Andrew: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>WHAT WILL THE ETHIC COMMISSIONER’S REPORT MEAN FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION? WE CALLED IN AN EMERGENCY “AT ISSUE” TO ANSWER THAT VERY QUESTION AND MORE.>>Ian: LATER IN OUR “MOMENT,” EVER HEARD OF SQUID-JIGGIN’? WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE NEWFOUNDLAND TRADITION THAT IS MAKING A COMEBACK.>>I GREW UP NOT FAR FROM HERE IN HARBOUR MAIN AND I USED TO SEE THIS REGULARLY IN THE 1970s. IT USED TO BE A ROUTINE AND NOW IT’S A PHENOMENON. (*) (*)>>Andrew: THERE IS ONE ISSUE FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S FIRST MANDATE THAT HAS PERHAPS DONE MORE DAMAGE THAN ANY OTHER — THE SNC-LAVALIN CONTROVERSY.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY, THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE PRIME MINISTER.>>Andrew: IT’S SHAKEN THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AND CALLED INTO QUESTION THE JUDGMENTS –>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: JUSTIN TRUDEAU BULLIED, ATTEMPTED TO INTERFERE AND THEN DENIED SO BLATANTLY.>>Andrew: THE ETHICS AND THE INTEGRITY.>>HOW DO WE KNOW THAT HE WON’T DO THIS AGAIN? HOW CAN HE BE TRUSTED?>>Andrew: A PRIME MINISTER WHO PLEDGED FOUR YEARS AGO THAT HE WOULD DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. AND THERE’S ALREADY BEEN A PRICE TO PAY. TWO HIGH-PROFILE MINISTERS LOST THEIR JOBS AND SO DID THE PRIME MINISTER’S CLOSE FRIEND AND PRINCIPAL SECRETARY. AND THIS SINGLE EVENT PERHAPS CAUSED THE MOST HARM IN PUBLIC OPINION POLLS.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WE’RE FACING A MOMENT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHERE CANADIANS GET TO MAKE A CHOICE ABOUT THE KIND OF GOVERNMENT THAT THEY WANT TO SEE LEAD THEM.>>Andrew: SO WITH TODAY’S ETHICS COMMISSIONER’S REPORT, THE QUESTION NOW — WILL ALL OF THIS COST THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT DEARLY COME OCTOBER?>>>SO LET’S GET INTO IT. ROSIE IS AWAY BUT WE HAVE CALLED IN A SPECIAL SUMMER EDITION OF “AT ISSUE.” AND, YES, I KNOW THAT IT’S NOT THURSDAY, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH. CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL. ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO. AND CHRIS HALL IS IN OTTAWA TONIGHT. CHANTAL, LET’S START WITH YOU. AND JUST ON THE QUESTION OF HOW DAMAGING THIS ALL MAY BE. I MEAN, TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THIS HURT THE LIBERALS COME ELECTION TIME?>>WELL, COME ELECTION TIME, I CAN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION. BUT IT IS A DAMNING REPORT. AND ONE THAT SINGLES OUT THE PRIME MINISTER FOR BLAME TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHERS. MOST OF US I THINK DOESN’T THINK THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO MAKE JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S HANDLING OF THIS FILE LOOK WORSE THAN JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD HAD WHEN SHE TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THE PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE. BUT THE ETHIC COMMISSIONER MANAGED TO DO JUST THAT. THERE ARE NO GREAT LINES TO SALVAGE THE PRIME MINISTER’S BEHAVIOUR IN THAT REPORT. SO THAT IS WHERE THE DAMAGE IS. THE SAVING GRACES, IF THERE ARE SOME, I WOULD SAY IS THE EARLIEST, THE BETTER. SO BETTER THIS REPORT TODAY THAN IN TWO WEEKS OR IN A MONTH WHEN THE CAMPAIGN IS IN FULL SWING. IT’S EASIER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONTROL DAMAGE. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF CANADIANS BASE THEIR VOTE ON THIS REPORT, JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS IN HUGE TROUBLE. BUT I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY WILL BASE THEIR VOTE ON AND THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.>>Andrew: RIGHT. AND YOU RAISED AN IMPORTANT ISSUE — THE VERY FACT TRACK WE’RE TWO MONTHS PLUS AWAY FROM E-DAY. AND ANDREW, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU BUT FIRST LET’S HEAR FROM THE PRIME MINISTER HIMSELF IN HIS OWN WORDS AND IN HIS OWN DEFENCE.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THIS WAS A SITUATION THAT SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED. BUT MY DESIRE TO PROTECT CANADIANS AND AT THE SAME TIME TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY AND THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR JUDICIAL INSTITUTIONS REMAINED THROUGHOUT.>>Andrew: SO, ANDREW, HE’S TRYING TO WALK A LINE THERE, RIGHT? ON ONE HAND HE’S SAYING, LOOK, I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. BUT, SAYING ALL I CARED ABOUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WAS JOBS. HOW EFFECTIVE IS THAT POSITION GOING TO BE?>>NOT TERRIBLY UNLESS TO THE HARD CORE PARTISAN BASE WHICH MAY NOT MATTER THAT THE POINT. IT’S CLEAR THAT HE DOESN’T THINK THAT HE DID ANYTHING PARTICULARLY WRONG AND LOOKED IMPROPER, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THINKS THAT HIS MOTIVES WERE GOOD. THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER’S REPORT, HE SAID THAT TRUDEAU’S LAWYER SAID HE CAN’T BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY OF THIS. AND HE’S NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT IT MATTERS BOTH BECAUSE IT’S REVIVING THE STORY WHICH DID THEM ENORMOUS DAMAGE IN THE SPRING. YOU HAVE A RESPECTED PUBLIC SERVANT WITH ACCESS TO ALL OF THE BEST LEGAL ADVICE AND MOST OF THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, SOME OF IT STILL WITHHELD FROM THEM, BUT MORE EVIDENCE THAN WE HAVE HAD TO DATE. MAKING A FORMAL FINDING THAT JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD WAS CORRECT IN ALL OF THE MAJOR PARTICULARS ON THIS. AND YOU HAVE SOME FAIRLY DAMNING DETAILS. I MEAN, WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS, FRANKLY, THE LEAST OF MY CONCERNS. THERE IS EVIDENCE HERE OF HOW MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT SEEMED TO BE TAKING ITS LEAVE FROM SNC-LAVALIN’S LAWYERS AND WORKING HAND-IN-GLOVE WITH THEM AND CONSPIRING AGAINST THEIR OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL TO GET THEM OFF OF CRIMINAL CHARGES. THAT CRIES OUT FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION. THESE WILD SCHEMES TO INVOLVE THE FORMER CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT, BEVERLEY McLACHLIN, WHO APPEARS TO HAVE DECLINED, BUT I’D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM HOW FAR SHE ENTERTAINED THESE CRAZY NOTIONS. THERE’S MUCH MORE TO BE LEARNED FROM THIS.>>Andrew: RIGHT. EXCEPT I WAS TRYING TO REALLY KIND OF LISTEN TO WHAT JUST YOU JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS SAYING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN TELEGRAPHING TO CANADIANS. I WONDERED IF THERE WAS A STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM HERE IN THE SENSE THAT HE WAS SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS PROOF OF HOW MUCH I CARE ABOUT JOBS THAT EVEN WHEN I DON’T THINK THAT OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF MY INNER CIRCLE ARE WATCHING, THIS IS WHAT I DO, AND LOOK AT HOW MUCH TROUBLE I HAVE GOTTEN INTO BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT JOBS. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, YOU THINK, CHRIS?>>I THINK THERE WOULD BE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY IF THE PRIME MINISTER’S VERSION OF EVENTS HADN’T CHANGED SO DRAMATICALLY SINCE FEBRUARY WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT. REMEMBER HE SAID STORY ORIGINALLY FROM THE “GLOBE & MAIL” WAS FALSE. AND THEN HE SAID THAT NO ONE DIRECTED JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD TO DO ANYTHING, AND THEN HE SAID SHE DIDN’T PUBLICLY TAKE IT THE SAME WAY THAT WE INTENDED. SO IF THE MESSAGE TODAY IS THAT HE ACCEPTS THE REPORT, THEN WHY DOES HE DISAGREE WITH MOST OF THE FINDINGS ABOUT HIS CULPABILITY ON THIS AND THE FACT THAT HE NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY? AND IF HE GOES TO CANADIANS TO THE MESSAGE THAT I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT JOBS THERE’S A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT HAS COME OUT SINCE THAT FIRST ARGUMENT THAT THERE WERE NOT SO MANY JOBS. THERE’S SO MANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ON THE BOOKS THAT THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH SNC-LAVALIN WOULD HAVE FOUND WORK WITH OTHER CONTRACTORS ANYWAY. SO IT’S A DIFFICULT ARGUMENT TO MAKE GIVEN HOW INCONSISTENT HE’S BEEN ON THIS OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS.>>Andrew: CHANTAL — SORRY, GO AHEAD, ANDREW?>>I THINK THAT’S THE LARGER ISSUE. NOW PEOPLE WILL SAY, WILL PEOPLE BASE THEIR VOTES ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? MAYBE SOME WILL, MAYBE A LOT WON’T. I THINK THAT THE MORE DAMAGE THAT IS DONE IN THE LONG TERM FROM THESE KINDS OF THINGS IS THE DAMAGE TO THE PERCEPTION OF THE PRIME MINISTER. AND EVEN AFTER PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN THE PARTICULARS OF A PARTICULAR ISSUE, THEY WILL REMEMBER THAT HE LOOKED — OH, HE DIDN’T SEEM TRUSTWORTHY. AND THESE KINDS OF IMPRESSIONS HAVE MUCH MORE LONG-LASTING AND DAMAGING EFFECTS ON A PARTY AND A LEADER.>>Andrew: CHANTAL?>>TRUE ENOUGH. THE FACT IS THOUGH THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC FATIGUE WITH THIS ISSUE. IT’S GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME. THERE WERE NOT — I FOUND THE REPORT REALLY TROUBLING AND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SNC-LAVALIN AND THE GOVERNMENT BASICALLY OPERATING AS ONE, TROUBLING. BUT I’M NOT SURE THAT AMOUNTS TO A HUGE REVELATION FOR MANY VOTERS. AND I SUSPECT THAT MOST VOTERS AT THIS POINT HAVE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS AS TO WHETHER THEY FELT THAT TRUDEAU REALLY STEPPED INTO IT OVER SNC-LAVALIN OR WHETHER HE WAS JUST TRYING TO DO HIS JOB. SO I’M CURIOUS TO SEE IN TWO, THREE WEEKS WHEN THE STORM HAS BLOWN OVER, WHERE THE PUBLIC OPINION STANDS ON THIS. AND WHETHER IT GOES BACK TO WHERE IT WAS YESTERDAY.>>Andrew: SO LET’S TRY TO GET INSIDE OF THE MINDS OF JAGMEET SINGH AND ANDREW SCHEER. YOU KNOW, ON THE CAPACITY FOR THE OPPOSITION TO RUN WITH THE BALL, FEDERAL N.D.P. LEADER JAGMEET SINGH FRAMED TRUDEAU AS WORKING FOR CANADA’S WEALTHIEST AND NOT THE EVERY MAN. CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER SAID THIS.>>The Hon. Andrew Scheer: TODAY’S VERDICT IS IN AND IT IS A GUILTY VERDICT. JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS GUILTY AGAIN. HEADING INTO THIS ELECTION TRUDEAU HAS ALREADY BECOME THE ONLY PRIME MINISTER IN CANADIAN HISTORY TO HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF BREAKING ETHICS LAWS. NOW WE KNOW THAT HE’S DONE IT AGAIN.>>Andrew: SO, ANDREW, WE HEAR THIS WORD “GUILTY” AND, CLEARLY, I MEAN, THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER’S FINDINGS AREN’T TAKING PLACE IN A COURT OF LAW SO IT’S NOT A GUILTY VERDICT OF SUCH THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT SCHEER IS FRAMING IS THAT WAY, RIGHT?>>YEAH. AND I’M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY HIS BEST PLAY ON THIS. I MEAN, THE KNOCK AGAINST SCHEER IS THAT HE DOESN’T HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF GRAVITAS AND HE TENDS TO EXPLOIT THE SHORT-TERM OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LONGZ-TERM VISION OF THE COUNTRY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I WOULD RATHER HIM GOING FOR THE CHEAP APPLAUSE LINE TO EXPLAIN TO CANADIANS WHY THIS MATTERS. WHY PROSECUTORIAL INDEPENDENCE IS A SERIOUS THING AND WHY MESSING AROUND WITH THE PROSECUTION OF A LIBERAL CONNECTED COMPANY THAT IS ACCUSED OF PRETTY SERIOUS CRIMES SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED. WHY THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT PRINCIPLES I THINK WOULD BE NOT ONLY IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, BUT LOOK A LITTLE MORE STATESMAN-LIKE ON HIS BEHALF THAN AS I SAY FOR THE CHEAP APPLAUSE LINE.>>CAN I JUMP IN THERE TOO? I WAS STRUCK TODAY BY WHAT SHOULD BE AN OBVIOUS WARNING SIGNAL FOR EVERY POLITICAL LEADER THAT TRUST IS NOT IN GREAT ABUNDANCE RIGHT NOW. IF YOU’RE NOW SAYING THAT THE GUY WHO PROMISED TO BE DIFFERENT FOUR YEARS AGO REALLY ISN’T DIFFERENT, BUT YOU’LL BE DIFFERENT IF THE CONSERVATIVES ARE ELECTED IS NOT A MESSAGE THAT MOST CANADIANS WANT TO HEAR.>>Andrew: RIGHT. AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT TOOK ANDREW SCHEER ALL OF TWO MINUTES TO PIVOT FROM TRYING TO SKEWER TRUDEAU TO SAY HERE THE MORE PRAGMATIC APPROACH IS THAT I’M RUNNING TOO. I’M GOING TO BE IN THE ELECTION AND I’M YOUR GUY. CHANTAL, YOU’RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD THOUGH?>>I THOUGHT THAT BOTH OPPOSITION LEADERS DID NOT RISE UP TO THE OCCASION AND COULD HAVE DONE A LOT MORE. AND ON THIS I AGREE WITH ANDREW THAT ANDREW SCHEER’S POINT INVOLVED A LOT OF REHASHING OF CONSERVATIVE LINES OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. AND THIS WAS A GREAT OCCASION. TOO BAD FOR HIM THAT HE SQUANDERED THE PRIME MINISTER SHOULD RESIGN LINE TOO EARLY. BECAUSE READING THIS REPORT IT DOES COME TO MIND MORE THAN IT DID WHEN HE FIRST ASKED FOR THE RESIGNATION OF THE PRIME MINISTER. AS FOR MR. SINGH, HE MUST HAVE DECIDED THAT HE HAS NO HOPES IN QUÉBEC. IF HE IS GOING TO GO WITH THE LINE THAT SNC-LAVALIN IS ONLY ABOUT RICH PEOPLE. BECAUSE IN THIS PROVINCE THAT LINE WILL NEVER WORK. PEOPLE KNOW WHO PEOPLE — WHO THE PEOPLE ARE WHO WORK FOR SNC-LAVALIN AND THEY’RE NOT RICH PEOPLE WHO ARE FRIENDS OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU. SO BOTH SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE READING PREPARED LINES. I UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE EXPECTED THE REPORT TODAY. BUT IF THAT IS HOW THEY’RE ALL GOING TO RUN CAMPAIGNS, GOOD LUCK, BECAUSE THE UNEXPECTED AND HOW YOU HANDLE IT IS USUALLY WHEN THE VOTERS DISCOVER WHETHER YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THEIR VOTE.>>Andrew: RIGHT. AND SO, I MEAN, TWO MONTHS UNTIL ELECTION TIME. THAT IS A LONG TIME. SO WHAT IS YOUR SENSE THEN? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT THE LIBERALS WOULD HAVE TO DO TO AVOID THIS BECOMING A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN IT ALREADY IS. BUT I FEEL THAT THE COLLECTIVE SENSE THAT I’M GETTING FROM ALL OF YOU IS THAT, WELL, MAYBE THE PROBLEM SORT OF TAKES CARE OF ITSELF?>>I’M NOT SAYING THAT. YEAH, I’M NOT SAYING THAT. I THINK THAT THE LIBERALS WILL OBVIOUSLY TRY TO TURN ATTENTION TO OTHER ISSUES — HEALTH CARE, CLIMATE CHANGE, WHERE THEY’RE OBVIOUSLY ON FIRMER FOOTING. BUT THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT TRUST AND THE FACT THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS REALLY FOUR YEARS AGO THE BANNER AROUND WHICH THE LIBERALS ROSE FROM THE ASHES OF BEING THE THIRD PARTY IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS TO BEING THE GOVERNMENT. IF THAT HAS BEEN ERODED IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY, AS ANDREW INDICATED EARLIER, THAT WILL BE A VERY DIFFICULT SELL EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. AND I ARGUE INCLUDING IN QUÉBEC.>>THIS IS A GOVERNMENT — I MEAN, ALL GOVERNMENTS HEAVILY FOCUS ON THEIR LEADER AND THE PRIME MINISTER. THIS IS A GOVERNMENT THAT MORE THAN MOST, CERTAINLY IN THE FIRST TWO OR THREE YEARS OF ITS MANDATE, WAS ALMOST OBSESSIVELY DEVOTED TO PUTTING THE PRIME MINISTER FRONT AND CENTRE IN EVERY PHOTO-OP, ETC. HE IS REALLY DAMAGED GOODS NOW, AND THIS REPORT IS GOING TO CONTINUE THAT. BUT I’LL COME BACK TO SOMETHING THAT CHRIS WAS SAYING. IF ANDREW SCHEER WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT HE HAS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT HE’D BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS NOT JUST SHOUTING “GUILTY,” IT’S DISPLAYING THE MATURITY AND THE JUDGMENT AND THE WISDOM AND THE INTEGRITY THAT YOU’D ACT IN A DIFFERENT WAY GIVEN THE SAME SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. HE’S FAR FROM MAKING THAT CASE.>>AND TO BUILD ON THAT POINT, IF THIS WERE A REFERENDUM ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU, NOT GREAT. BUT THIS IS A CHOICE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE. AND THE OTHER OPTIONS ON OFFER HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THEY’RE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER AND NOT JUST ON SAYING, WELL I WOULDN’T DO AS BADLY AS HE DID WITH SNC-LAVALIN. BUT IN THE LARGER PICTURE I WOULD ARGUE THAT TODAY NO ONE ACTUALLY WON THE DAY. IT WAS A LOST DAY FOR US AND FOR CANADIANS.>>Andrew: WELL, THIS WAS DAY ONE. PLENTY MORE TO COME, I SUPPOSE. CHANTAL HEBERT AND ANDREW COYNE AND CHRIS HALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANKS, ANDREW.>>Andrew: BUT BEFORE WE GO, BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE “AT ISSUE” PODCAST, YOU CAN LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP OR ON cbcnews.ca/thenational. AND, HEY, ROSEMARY AND “AT ISSUE” WILL BE BACK THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.>>Ian: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>COPING AT UNIVERSITY. WE LOOK AT A NEW RESOURCE GIVING STUDENTS THE TOOLS TO MANAGE THEIR MENTAL HEALTH WHEN IT ALL SEEMS TOO MUCH.>>WHEN YOU ARE OVERWHELMED AND YOU ARE IN CRISIS THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO AND KNOW HOW TO MANAGE FOR YOURSELF. (*) (*)>>Ian: WELCOME BACK. AT LEAST SIX PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED AFTER TWO HOMES COLLAPSED IN CHILE. DEBRIS WAS STILL FALLING HOURS AFTER THE INITIAL COLLAPSE. IT FORCED RESCUE CREWS TO PAUSE THE SEARCH FOR THE FOUR PEOPLE STILL MISSING. LOCAL MEDIA REPORTS THAT AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE WERE STANDING ON A STAIRCASE THAT CONNECTED THE TWO PROPERTIES PRIOR TO THE COLLAPSE. BUT A STAIRCASE THAT CONNECTED THE TWO PROPERTIES PRIOR TO THE COLLAPSE. BUT THERE IS NO WORD YET ON WHAT CAUSED IT.>>WE’RE DISAPPOINTED AND WHEN YOU READ THE VERDICT YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO GETTING A GOOD RESULT.>>Ian: AMERICAN RAPPER A$AP ROCKY IS CONVICTED OF ASSAULT IN SWEDEN. THIS STEMS FROM A STREET BRAWL ON JUNE 30th IN STOCKHOLM. HE AND TWO MEMBERS OF HIS ENTOURAGE BEAT A 19-YEAR-OLD AFTER AN ARGUMENT. NO ONE WAS SENTENCED TO JAIL BUT THE THREE WILL HAVE TO PAY COMPENSATION TO THE VICTIM.>>>AND THAT CONVICTION MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON WESTERN UNIVERSITY IN LONDON, ONTARIO. A$AP ROCKY IS SCHEDULED TO HEADLINE THE PURPLE FEST IN SEPTEMBER, AN EVENT CREATED BY THE STUDENT COUNCIL IN 2016 TO TRY TO COUNTER AN UNSANCTIONED STREET PARTY. COUNCIL WASN’T SAYING ANYTHING TODAY OTHER THAN THAT IT’S NOT PREPARED TO ANNOUNCE WHAT IT’S GOING TO DO THIS FALL.>>>SO IT’S STILL MID-AUGUST AND MANY STUDENTS ARE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT THE FALL, ESPECIALLY THOSE ABOUT TO START UNIVERSITY. FOR SOME STUDENTS IT CAN BE A CHALLENGING LONELY TIME AND SO NOW SOME MENTAL HEALTH ADVOCATES ARE LAUNCHING A NEW RESOURCE THEY HOPE THAT WILL HELP TO PREVENT BURNOUT, BREAKDOWNS AND ULTIMATELY SUICIDE. IT’S AVAILABLE ONLINE TODAY. KAREN PAULS NOW ON MAKING BACK-TO-SCHOOL BETTER.>>Reporter: THIS STUDENT IS GETTING READY TO MOVE FROM WINNIPEG TO THE UNIVERSITY OF VICTORIA.>>I’M 70% PREPARED MENTALLY.>>Reporter: PREPARED, BUT ALSO NERVOUS ABOUT LIVING ON HER OWN FOR THE FIRST TIME.>>TAKING CARE OF MY OWN KEYS AND LOCKING MY DOOR AND MAKING SURE THAT I’M NOT LOSING ANY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS.>>Reporter: AND DEALING WITH THE ACADEMIC WORKLOAD.>>I END UP TAKING A LOT ON MY PLATE AND THEN I PANIC AND GET OVERWHELMED.>>Reporter: SHE’S NOT ALONE. FOR YEARS STUDENTS HAVE BEEN DEMANDING MORE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES ON CAMPUS. STATISTICS SHOW BETWEEN 2% AND 10% OF STUDENTS THINK ABOUT KILLING THEMSELVES. EVERY YEAR SOME FOLLOW THROUGH.>>THIS IS ABOUT PREVENTION.>>Reporter: SO THIS MENTAL HEALTH EXPERT HAS CREATED A NEW RESOURCE AIMED SPECIFICALLY AT BUILDING RESILIENCE FOR FIRST-YEAR STUDENTS.>>SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE STRESSED, WHEN YOU ARE OVERWHELMED, WHEN YOU ARE IN CRISIS, THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO AND KNOW HOW TO MANAGE FOR YOURSELF.>>THEY WERE STRUGGLING.>>Reporter: SAM FIORELLO KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. HIS SON, LUCAS, KILLED HIMSELF WHILE STUDYING COMPUTER SCIENCE AT CARLETON UNIVERSITY IN 2014.>>ON TOP OF THE SHOCK OF LOSING A CHILD, THERE WAS THE SHOCK OF NOT EVEN KNOWING THAT IT WAS POTENTIALLY COMING.>>Reporter: FIORELLA SAYS THAT THIS NEW HANDBOOK IS A GREAT START BUT HE SAYS THAT THE FORMAT IS A LITTLE OLD-FASHIONED.>>THIS SHOULD BE A MOBILE APP THAT COULD ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THEM, A REMINDER, HEY, IT’S A GOOD TIME TO CHECK IN BEFORE EXAMS.>>Reporter: BACK IN WINNIPEG, ANUREET KAUR LIKES TO BE PREPARED.>>I HAVE PINNED SOME LISTS ON PINTEREST.>>Reporter: SHE LIKES TO GET HOLD OF THE HANDBOOKS BEFORE UNIVERSITY EVEN STARTS.>>I THINK THAT IT’S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU COULD BE NERVOUS ABOUT BECAUSE KIND OF GETTING SURPRISED BY IT IN THE MOMENT IS NOT OKAY BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN’T DEAL WITH IT.>>COME HERE.>>Reporter: IF THIS NEW RESOURCE CAN HELP STUDENTS DEAL WITH STRESS BETTER, RESEARCHERS SAY THEY’LL GIVE IT A PASSING GRADE. KAREN PAUL, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: JUST AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>THE DANGER THAT MAY LURK IN DEER. SOME DOCTORS AND ACTIVISTS WARN THAT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT A FRIGHTFUL DISEASE DOESN’T GET IN YOUR FOOD SUPPLY.>>THE CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY HAS TO CREATE A NEW POLICY IMMEDIATELY.>>Andrew: WHITE-TAILED DEER ARE FOUND ALL OVER CANADA, FROM SOUTHERN B.C. TO CAPE BRETON ISLAND. BUT IN SOME EXCEPTIONALLY RARE CASES THEY COULD ACTUALLY POSE A SERIOUS HEALTH RISK. NOW THEY CAN BE CARRIERS OF WHAT SOME HAVE NICKNAMED ZOMBIE DEER DISEASE. AND RECENTLY MORE THAN 30 DOCTORS, RESEARCHERS AND ACTIVISTS CALLED ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN’T SPREAD INTO THE HUMAN FOOD SYSTEM. ALISON NORTHCOTT EXPLAINS WHY.>>Reporter: AT THIS MARKET, VENISON IS ON OFFER HERE AND THE STAFF ARE CONFIDENT THAT IT’S SAFE.>>WE GET THE DEER FROM THE SAME — THE SAME SUPPLIER AND THAT SUPPLIER NEVER REALLY HAD ANY PROBLEMS.>>Reporter: THE CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY SAYS THAT ANIMALS LIKE DEER AND ELKS SLAUGHTERED IN QUÉBEC AND SASKATCHEWAN AND ALBERTA AND MANITOBA AND YUKON MUST BE TESTED FOR CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE OR C.W.D., BEFORE THE MEAT CAN BE SOLD FOR FOOD. THE DISEASE AFFECTS THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IN HOOVED ANIMALS LIKE DEER AND IS SIMILAR TO MAD COW DISEASE. WHILE THE CFIA SAYS THAT THERE’S NO DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT IT CAN BE TRANSMITTED TO HUMANS IT RECOMMENDS THAT PEOPLE DON’T EAT INFECTED MEAT AND SAYS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CAUTIONS TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE FOOD SYSTEM. BUT THREE CASES DETECTED THIS YEAR HAVE SOME CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE.>>THE CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY WHICH IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF OUR FEDERAL HEALTH MINISTER AND HEALTH CANADA HAS TO CREATE A NEW POLICY IMMEDIATELY THAT ENSURES THAT NO MEAT FROM CONTAMINATED C.W.D. FARMS, DEER OR ELK, IN CANADA, IS PERMITTED TO GO INTO THE HUMAN FOOD CHAINS.>>Reporter: PART OF HER CONCERN IS AROUND WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WHEN THE DISEASE WAS CONFIRMED AT A DEER FARM IN QUÉBEC. THE HERD WAS CULLED, ALONG WITH THE WILD DEER IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. BUT CFIA SAID THAT THE MEAT THAT TESTED NEGATIVE WAS ALLOWED TO BE SOLD FOR FOOD, EVEN THOUGH ITS WEBSITE STATES THAT A NEGATIVE TEST DOESN’T GUARANTEE THAT THE ANIMAL IS NOT INFECTED. STILL ONE RESEARCHER WHO HAS STUDIED THE DISEASE FOR YEARS SAYS THAT THE RISK TO CONSUMERS BUYING FARMED MEAT IS EXCEPTIONALLY LOW, BUT SAYS THAT HUNTERS SHOULD BE CAREFUL.>>I WILL NEVER SAY THAT THERE’S NO RISK. AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE BIGGER RISK IS TO HUNTERS THAT AREN’T TESTING THEIR ANIMALS OR THAT ARE EATING TEST POSITIVE ANIMALS.>>Reporter: QUÉBEC’S RED DEER PRODUCERS SAID THAT IT HAD A RIPPLE EFFECT ON THE INDUSTRY.>>ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE VENISON MARKET IS VERY, VERY DISTURBED.>>Reporter: THE CFIA SAYS THAT NONE OF THE ANIMALS FROM THE LAST TWO CASES ENTERED THE FOOD SYSTEM AND THE FARMS REMAIN UNDER QUARANTINE. ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, MONTRÉAL.>>Ian: UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>WHY THE SQUID ARE ROLLING BACK INTO CONCEPTION BAY, NEWFOUNDLAND.>>I DON’T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS , I DON’T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY GO WHEN THEY LEAVE. AND WE HAD SQUID YEARS AGO AND EVERYBODY KNOW THAT SQUID WENT AWAY. AND NOW THEY’RE ON THE WAY BACK.>>Ian: THE MYSTERIOUS PHENOMENON MAKING WAVES IS NEXT. (*>>Ian: SQUID-JIGGIN’ IS AN OLD TRADITION IN NEWFOUNDLAND. YOU TAKE A JIGGER, WHICH I LEARNED TODAY IS AN UNBAITED FISHING LINE, AND DROP IT IN THE WATER AND JERK IT UPWARDS WITH HOPES OF CATCHING SQUID BY THE FINS AND FLIPPING THEM IN YOUR BOAT. CONCEPTION BAY WAS LONG KNOWN FOR ITS SQUID FISH RYE BUT DECADES AGO THEY STOPPED COMING. BUT NOW THE SQUID ARE BACK IN A BIG WAY AND SO THAT IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>I USED TO SEE THIS REGULARLY IN THE 1970s. THERE USED TO BE A ROUTINE AND NOW IT’S A PHENOMENON.>>Ian: THEY USUALLY ROLL BEST IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING BUT EVEN AT MID-DAY THERE’S SO MANY SQUID THAT YOU COULD REACH IN AND CATCH THEM WITH YOUR BARE HANDS. BUT BEWARE, YOU DO RUN A RISK OF GETTING A SQUIRT.>>IS IT INK OR JUST WATER IS THIS.>>Reporter: DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW?>>Ian: SQUID-JIGGIN’ HAS SPAWNED A POPULAR SONG WRITTEN IN THE 1920s.>>* OH, THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE THE FISHERMEN GATHER *>>Ian: THIS WAS THE FIRST COMMERCIAL REPORTING OF A NEWFOUNDLAND FOLK SONG.>>Reporter: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE?>>NOT REALLY, NOT IN MY LIFETIME.>>Ian: NO ONE KNOWS WHY THEY’RE BACK BUT HERE’S ANOTHER WARNING — BEWARE OF THEM, SQUID >>Reporter: OW!>>Ian: TODAY CBC’S ZACH GOUDIE FOUND THAT OUT FIRSTHAND.>>HE MAY BE SMALL BUT HE BIT ME. I AM GOING TO BITE YOU BACK.>>Ian: THE RETURN OF THE SQUID SEEMS TO FASCINATE EVERYONE. [laughter]>>Andrew: SO, I MEAN, THE SONG IS LOVELY, IAN — BUT — AND, YOU KNOW THIS ABOUT ME, SO I’M ALLERGIC TO SEAFOOD AND I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU THAT THERE’S NO PART OF ME THAT FEELS SORRY FOR MYSELF RIGHT NOW. I TOTALLY DON’T FEEL THAT I’M MISSING OUT.>>Ian: SO I THINK IT’S AN ACQUIRED TASTE, RIGHT. BEING THERE AND DOING THE SQUID-JIGGIN’. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE IT. BUT THE SONG IS AN ACQUIRED TASTE TOO AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SONG FOR A MOMENT. WHERE I GREW UP ON THE EAST COAST, NOT IN NEWFOUNDLAND BUT IN THE MARITIMES, I REMEMBERED THAT SONG, RIGHT, IT WAS A FOLK SONG. SO I’LL DO SOMETHING NEVER DONE BEFORE ON “THE NATIONAL.” ON THE SAME DAY THAT I –>>Andrew: I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SING THE SONG.>>Ian: I WILL MAKE A REFERENCE TO STOMPIN’ TOM CONNORS. HE DOES A VERSION OF THE SONG ON YouTube AND I RECOMMEND THAT PEOPLE GIVE IT A TASTE AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK.>>Andrew: OH, OKAY.>>Ian: THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR AUGUST 14th. GOODNIGHT.>>Andrew: GOODNIGHT. (*) (*) (*)

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