The National for April 2, 2019 – Wilson-Raybould and Philpott Out of Liberal Caucus


(*)>>Rosemary: TONIGHT, TWO FORMER STAR CABINET MINISTERS KICKED OUT OF CAUCUS.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THE TEAM HAS TO TRUST EACH OTHER. THAT TRUST HAS BEEN BROKEN.>>Rosemary: JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD AND JANE PHILPOTT ARE NO LONGER LIBERALS. TONIGHT THEIR REACTION, THE POLITICAL FALLOUT, AND WHERE THIS LEAVES THE SNC-LAVALIN AFFAIR. (*)>>I WON THE LOTTERY AND RECEIVED A TRANSPLANT.>>Andrew: NOVA SCOTIA MOVES TO MAKE ALL RESIDENTS AUTOMATIC ORGAN DONORS, BUT SHOULD A GOVERNMENT PRESUME CONSENT? (*)>>Ian: AS SCIENTISTS WARN CANADA IS WARMING FAST, WE’RE ON THE GROUND WITH CREWS PREPARING FOR CLIMATE EXTREMES. IS CANADA READY FOR IT?>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>Rosemary: THE PRIME MINISTER FINALLY MADE HIS MOVE TODAY AFTER WEEKS OF BEING HAUNTED BY THE SNC-LAVALIN CONTROVERSY, AND OPENLY QUESTIONED BY TWO OF HIS OWN TEAM MEMBERS AND TODAY HE EXPELLED THEM FROM CAUCUS. JANE PHILPOTT SAYS THAT SHE’S DISHEARTENED AND JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD SAYS SHE HAS NO REGRETS. BOTH HAVE RESIGNED FROM CABINET, DECISIONS TIED TO ALLEGATIONS THAT THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE INAPPROPRIATELY PRESSURED WILSON-RAYBOULD WHEN SHE WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL. TONIGHT WE ARE GETTING A NEW VIEW OF THAT PART OF THE STORY TOO. WE’LL SORT THROUGH NEWLY RELEASED MESSAGES BETWEEN WILSON-RAYBOULD AND FORMER TRUDEAU ADVISOR GERALD BUTTS AND WE’LL PUT ALL OF THIS TO “AT ISSUE.” IS THE PRIME MINISTER’S DECISION TODAY ENOUGH TO TURN THE PAGE? BUT LET’S START WITH WHAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU HOPES NOW IS THE END OF THIS STORY. AFTER CONSULTING WITH HIS CAUCUS IT WAS THE PRIME MINISTER WHO TOLD HIS TEAM THAT HE HAD REMOVED THE TWO M.P.s, SAY HE HAD LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE TWO WOMEN AT THE CENTRE OF IT ALL. KATIE SIMPSON BEGINS OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT.>>Reporter: THE PRIME MINISTER IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT HE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO ACT.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THE TRUST THAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED BETWEEN THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS AND OUR TEAM HAS BEEN BROKEN. WHETHER IT’S TAPING CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT CONSENT, OR REPEATEDLY EXPRESSING A LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR GOVERNMENT AND IN ME PERSONALLY AS LEADER, IT’S BECOME CLEAR THAT MISS WILSON-RAYBOULD AND DR. PHILPOTT CAN NO LONGER REMAIN PART OF OUR LIBERAL TEAM.>>Reporter: JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD AND JANE PHILPOTT WERE BOTH TOLD THIS AFTERNOON THEY HAD OFFICIALLY BEEN KICKED OUT OF CAUCUS. A DECISION THAT CAME AFTER A SERIES OF MEETINGS WHERE LIBERALS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT WILSON-RAYBOULD’S DECISION TO SECRETLY TAPE A KEY CONVERSATION IN THE SNC-LAVALIN AFFAIR.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WHEN THAT CABINET MINISTER IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA SECRETLY RECORDING THE CLERK OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL, IT’S UNCONSCIONABLE.>>Reporter: BOTH WILSON-RAYBOULD AND PHILPOTT PUT UP A FIGHT TO THE VERY END.>>I FACE EACH DAY AS IT COMES AND CONTINUE TO WORK AS HARD AS I CAN FOR THE PEOPLE OF VANCOUVER-GRANVILLE AS A MEMBER OF THE PARTY.>>Reporter: SHE MADE AN APPEAL WITH A DEFIANT TWO-PAGE LETTER PLEADING HER CASE. WHILE PHILPOTT TRIED A MORE PERSONAL APPROACH.>>I HAVE TO GO TO A MEETING. I HAVE TO GO INTO A MEETING THAT IS STARTING RIGHT NOW.>>Reporter: AT AN EARLIER EMERGENCY MEETING OF ONTARIO LIBERAL M.P.s SHE TOLD THE ROOM THAT SHE HAS CONFIDENCE IN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THAT SHE WANTED TO STAY. BOTH PITCHES ULTIMATELY FAILED.>>IT’S BEEN BROKEN BY TWO MEMBERS. IT’S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT’S KIND OF A SAD NIGHT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO DO.>>THE PRIME MINISTER HAS MADE A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION, SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US ARE PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT. BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON.>>Reporter: IN A STATEMENT TONIGHT, PHILPOTT SAYS THAT SHE IS PROFOUNDLY DISHEARTENED AND DENIES THAT SHE IS DISLOYAL. ON THE CONTRARY, I REMEMBERED THAT THE GOVERNMENT ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT HAPPENED IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. IN TWEETS WILSON-RAYBOULD SAYS THAT SHE WILL TAKE TIME TO REFLECT ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED. “I HAVE NO REGRETS, I SPOKE THE TRUTH AS I WILL CONTINUE TO DO.” JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL NOW TRY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT HE CAN TO PUT THIS SAGA BEHIND HIM AND HIS TEAM. SOMETHING THAT HE’S BEEN UNABLE TO DO FOR NEARLY TWO MONTHS.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: OUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS WIN WHEN LIBERALS ARE DIVIDED. WE CAN’T AFFORD TO MAKE THAT MISTAKE, CANADIANS ARE COUNTING ON US.>>Reporter: GETTING PAST THIS STORY IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY. TOMORROW TRUDEAU WILL HAVE TO DEFEND HIS DECISION TO KICK TWO WOMEN OUT OF CAUCUS WHEN MORE THAN 300 YOUNG WOMEN WILL BE ON PARLIAMENT HILL FOR AN EVENT THAT ENCOURAGES MORE WOMEN TO GET INTO POLITICS. ROSIE?>>Rosemary: OKAY, KATIE, THE PRIME MINISTER MENTIONED HIS OPPONENTS IN THAT SPEECH THERE. THE OPPOSITION I GATHER HAS ALREADY JUMPED ON ALL OF THIS?>>Reporter: THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE REALLY BEEN PREPARING FOR THIS MOMENT AND THEY’RE ALREADY ATTACKING TRUDEAU FOR KICKING OUT TWO PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP TO HIM AND WHO ARE SEEN BY SOME AS WHISTLEBLOWERS. AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO QUESTION WHETHER TRUDEAU IS A FEMINIST SINCE IT IS TWO WOMEN FROM HIS INNER CIRCLE WHO ARE NOW GONE. ROSIE?>>Rosemary: OKAY, KATIE, THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORTING TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT.>>Reporter: THANKS.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT HAPPENS TO JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD AND JANE PHILPOTT NOW? STARTING TOMORROW, THEY’LL BE SITTING IN THE COMMONS CHAMBER IN THE BACK CORNER AS INDEPENDENTS, NOT TIED TO A POLITICAL PARTY. THE TWO CAN STILL RUN IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION, JUST NOT AS LIBERALS AS THE PRIME MINISTER MADE CLEAR TODAY AS WELL. THEY COULD APPEAR ON THE BALLOT AS INDEPENDENT OR THEY COULD TRY TO RUN FOR ANOTHER POLITICAL PARTY, BUT THERE’S CERTAINLY NO INDICATION THAT THEY’D DO THAT FOR NOW. THAT ELECTION IS JUST SIX MONTHS AWAY, SO JUST HOW ARE THE CONSTITUENTS IN THEIR RIDINGS FEELING AFTER TODAY’S DEVELOPMENTS? (*)>>I THINK SHE HAS A LOT OF CANADIAN SUPPORT FOR BEING SO FORTHCOMING AND HONEST AND SHOWING A LOT OF RESPECT FOR CANADIANS.>>INTEGRITY IS MISSING IN POLITICS. AND FOR SOMEONE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT SHE BELIEVES IN TAKES A LOT OF GUTS. (*)>>IF THE PEOPLE STAND FOR THE TRUTH I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE SUPPORTED. INSTEAD OF BEING KICKED OUT LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT PUTS MORE FEAR FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK OUT.>>IT’S GOOD TO HAVE A VARIETY OF VOICES IN THE LIBERAL PARTY. SO, YEAH, I DON’T KNOW REALLY. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY PROBABLY FEEL THAT SHE’S NOT BEING ONE OF THE TEAM BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES TIME TO WORK TOGETHER AGAIN, RIGHT?>>Rosemary: REMEMBER THAT AT THE VERY CORE OF ALL OF THIS, THE ALLEGATION FROM WILSON-RAYBOULD THAT SHE WAS PRESSURED TO CONSIDER A DEAL FOR SNC-LAVALIN BY THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE, AND THAT INCLUDES FORMER TOP TRUDEAU ADVISOR GERALD BUTTS WHO SEES THE WHOLE AFFAIR VERY DIFFERENTLY. AND TODAY WE GOT ANOTHER LOOK INTO THEIR CONVERSATIONS, THANKS TO SOME NEWLY RELEASED TEXT MESSAGES BETWEEN THEM. IT WAS SENT DURING THE SIX-WEEK PERIOD THAT ENDED WHEN SHE WAS SHUFFLED FROM HER JOB AS JUSTICE MINISTER. DAVID COCHRANE TAKES US THROUGH WHAT’S IN THEM AND WHAT’S NOT.>>Reporter: AT THE HEART OF JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD’S STORY IS THAT SHE LOST HER JOB AS ATTORNEY GENERAL BECAUSE OF SNC-LAVALIN.>>I STATED THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE REASON WAS BECAUSE OF THE S.N.C. MATTER. THEY DENIED THIS TO BE THE CASE.>>I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE OCCURRED HERE. AND THAT NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE OCCURRED UNTIL AFTER THE CABINET SHUFFLE.>>Reporter: GERRY BUTTS SENT NOTES AND TEXT MESSAGES TO THE JUSTICE COMMITTEE TO BOLSTER HIS CLAIM. TEXTS RELATED TO A DECEMBER 5th MEETING WHERE THEIR TESTIMONY IS AT ODDS.>>MINISTER WILSON-RAYBOULD SOLICITED THE MEETING WITH ME. SHE ALSO RAISED THE SUBJECT WITH ME.>>I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING BRINGING UP S.N.C. AND THE BARRAGE OF PEOPLE HOUNDING ME AND MY STAFF.>>WE PARTED THAT MEETING AS FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES AND EXCHANGED PERSONAL TEXT MESSAGES A COUPLE OF HOURS LATER. I WROTE “NICE TO SEE YOU.” SHE REPLIED, “NICE TO SEE YOU TOO. THANKS FOR THE CONVO. PLEASE SAY HELLO TO THE P.M..”>>Reporter: THE TEXTS ARE AS BUTTS SAID, NO OBVIOUS SIGNS OF TENSION, AND NO MENTION OF S.N.C., A FOLLOW-UP TEXT FROM WILSON-RAYBOULD ON DECEMBER 11th DOESN’T MENTION IT EITHER. ON JANUARY 7th, THE PRIME MINISTER CALLED WILSON-RAYBOULD ON VACATION IN BALI TO DISCUSS THE CABINET SHUFFLE. BUTTS LISTENED IN AND TOOK NOTES. “I FEEL I’M BEING SHIFTED OUT OF JUSTICE FOR OTHER REASONS,” BUTTS QUOTES HER AS SAYING. “WE WOULD NOT BE DOING THIS IF IT WEREN’T FOR SCOTT’S DECISION,” TRUDEAU REPLIES, REFERRING TO SCOTT BRISON’S RESIGNATION FROM CABINET. “I DON’T AGREE”, SHE REPLIED. “THAT’S NOT HOW WE CHANGE PEOPLE’S LIVES.” THERE’S NO MENTION IN BUTTS’ NOTES IN THE EXCHANGE THAT FOLLOWED, BUT WILSON-RAYBOULD RAISED OBJECTIONS. AT THE TIME INDIGENOUS PROTESTERS WERE BLOCKING A GAS PIPELINE. SHE RAISED THIS, NOT S.N.C. “PUSHING ME OUT, WHICH WILL BE THE PERCEPTION WHETHER TRUE OR NOT, IS TERRIBLE. IT WILL BE CONFOUNDING AND PERPLEXING TO PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME, THIS IS ABOUT AN APPROACH TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.” THE BULK OF THE TEXT SHOWED THE MINISTER AND BUTTS TRYING TO CONNECT ACROSS MULTIPLE TIME ZONES. THE TONE SEEMS CORDIAL BUT ON JANUARY 12th IT CHANGES. “WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS A MISTAKE,” SHE TEXTS. “THERE IS NO WAY TO FULLY EXPLAIN THIS. MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN ON THIS SHIFT.” THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SHUFFLE SHE FOLLOWS UP, “KNOW I WILL BE PREPARED FOR TOMORROW. AND I KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING.” BUTTS REPLIES “YES, YOU DO, BECAUSE THE P.M. TOLD YOU WHY THIS IS HAPPENING. WE PLAN ON SAYING THE TRUTH. SCOTT’S DEPARTURE LEFT A LARGE HOLE.” AT NO POINT IN THESE EXCHANGES DOES SHE DIRECTLY MENTION S.N.C. OR A D.P.A. TWO THINGS THAT OTTAWA HASN’T STOPPED TALKING ABOUT SINCE. DAVID COCHRANE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT DOES TODAY’S MOVE SHOW US ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT MANAGES AT CAUCUS AND IS IT ENOUGH FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO TURN THE PAGE FOR GOOD ON ALL OF THIS? TIME FOR A SPECIAL TUESDAY “AT ISSUE.” ANDREW COYNE IN TORONTO TONIGHT AND ALTHIA RAJ IS IN OTTAWA. AND OTTAWA’S BUREAU CHIEF, ROB RUSSO IS ALSO HERE IN OTTAWA. GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. LET’S START I THINK WITH WHAT WE THINK WAS THE FINAL STRAW FOR CAUCUS AND FOR THE PRIME MINISTER. ANDREW, WHAT WOULD YOU ASSESS, HOW WOULD YOU ASSESS THAT?>>WELL, I’M NOT SURE THAT THEIR CLAIM THAT IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH TAPING IS ACTUALLY WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS. WHAT PRECIPITATED IT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, JANE PHILPOTT NEVER ENGAGED IN THIS. WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS IS THAT THE TWO OF THEM ARE CRITICAL ON THE PRIME MINISTER WITH A CRITICAL ISSUE, WHICH IS THE ATTEMPT TO INTERFERE WITH A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, WHICH THE PRIME MINISTER DOESN’T EVEN MUCH BOTHER TO DENY ANYMORE. THEY JUST SIMPLY SAY IT’S NOT WRONG FOR HIM TO HAVE DONE SO. IT’S A PECULIAR ETHIC COMPASS THAT SAYS TO ME THAT WHEN SUCH ALLEGATIONS ARE RAISED WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER SHOULD BE DRUMMED OUT OF CAUCUS, RATHER THAN THE PRIME MINISTER ANSWERING THE SERIOUS QUESTIONS RAISED BY THIS. I UNDERSTAND WHY THE PRIME MINISTER HIMSELF WOULD FEEL THAT WAY. IT’S A LITTLE STRANGER TO SEE THE MEMBERS OF CAUCUS, THE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, WHOSE JOB CONSTITUTIONALLY IS TO HOLD THE GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT AND INSTEAD DECIDING TO HOLD THE WHISTLEBLOWERS TO ACCOUNT.>>Rosemary: I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY THOUGHT THEIR JOBS WERE UNDER THREAT. ALTHIA, YOU WERE IN THAT ROOM TODAY. CERTAINLY, I REALIZE THAT IT WAS A PARTISAN ACTIVITY, BUT PEOPLE SEEMED RELIEVED TO SOME EXTENT. WHETHER IT CHANGES THINGS MATERIALLY, I DON’T KNOW.>>I WOULD SAY THAT THE M.P.s WHO HAVE HAD MORE THAN ONE TERM UNDER THEIR BELT WERE RELIEVED TO SEE THE PRIME MINISTER TAKE THIS STAND AND WERE EGGING HIM ON AND NODDING ALONG WITH HIS SPEECH. AND, YOU KNOW, LEAPING TO THEIR FEET TO GIVE HIM A STANDING OVATION. SOME OF THE NEWER FACES WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO READ, FRANKLY. AND I THINK THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE NATURE OF THE CAUCUS DISCUSSIONS. IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THERE WASN’T ACTUALLY A VOTE OF THE NATIONAL CAUCUS THAT THIS DECISION WAS TAKEN AFTER THE GROUP DECISION WAS TO GET RID OF THE TWO WOMEN. BUT THAT THE PRIME MINISTER MADE THIS DECISION. THERE WAS NO LIKE OH, 10% THINKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE M.P.s SHOULD STAY. I AGREE WITH ANDREW, I THINK THE TAPE IS A CONVENIENT EXCUSE. I THINK THAT THE REASON THAT THE PRIME MINISTER TOOK THE DECISION THAT HE MADE TODAY IS BECAUSE CAUCUS WAS ADAMANT THAT HE DO SO AND HIS OWN LEADERSHIP OF CAUCUS WAS IN SOME WAYS IN TROUBLE BECAUSE HE WAS REFUSING TO ACT.>>Rosemary: ROB, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IT HAPPENED TODAY AND NOT MANY DAYS AGO? DAVID COCHRANE IS WALKING AROUND AND SAYING IT’S ON 54 DAYS THAT HE DECIDED TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG DECISION IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP.>>WELL, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THERE ARE SOME M.P.s WHO SAY THAT THIS WAS THE PROVERBIAL STRAW THAT CRACKED THE CAMEL’S BACK. BUT I THINK THAT WHEN YOU STRIP IT ALL AWAY IT’S THAT KEENLY FELT SENTIMENT OF DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED POLITICIANS EVERYWHERE. IT’S NAKED SELF-INTEREST. A LOT OF THEM FELT THAT MISS WILSON-RAYBOULD AND DR. PHILPOTT WERE ENDANGERING THEIR CHANCES OF ACTUALLY HOLDING ON TO THEIR JOBS AND HOLDING ON TO THEIR SEATS AND THEY TOLD THEM SO. CERTAINLY, DR. PHILPOTT WAS TOLD THAT IN ONTARIO CAUCUS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO BY SOME OF HER COLLEAGUES WHO LOOKED HER RIGHT IN THE EYE AND SAID, YOU ARE GOING TO COST ME MY JOB. SO IT WAS NAKED SELF-INTEREST. NOW AS TO WHY THEY MOVED TODAY, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT IT’S BECAUSE IT TOOK THIS LONG FOR THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE — I KNOW THAT THEY ALL WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CAUCUS DECISION BUT IT WAS REALLY THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN ENGINEERING A LOT OF THIS BY TALKING TO CAUCUS CHAIRS AND SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE, HERE’S HOW WE’LL HAVE IT DONE. AND HERE’S WHEN WE’LL HAVE IT DONE. I THINK THAT TODAY’S TIMING WAS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE EVENTS TOMORROW. SO THEY WANTED TO GET IT DONE AND THEY WANTED TO GET IT DONE ON A CERTAIN TIMETABLE. AND THEY WANTED TO HANG ON TO THEIR SKINS.>>Rosemary: WELL, THAT — THAT SPEAKS I THINK TO THE OTHER PART OF THIS THAT IT MAY OFFER US SOME LIGHT ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S LEADERSHIP. I WANT TO PLAY ANOTHER LITTLE CLIP THAT HE MADE TO CAUCUS AND TO CANADIANS TODAY. HERE’S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT SORT OF CAUCUS AND UNITY.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: IN LEARNING TO DO NEW THINGS AND DOING THEM DIFFERENTLY, WE ENCOUNTER DIFFICULT MOMENTS. JUST DOING NEW THINGS AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS IS HARD AND WE’RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE PERFECT.>>Rosemary: I MEAN THAT WAS PRETTY TELLING I THOUGHT, ANDREW, BECAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PRIME MINISTER WHO DID THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN STEPHEN HARPER. AND I WONDER WHAT WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THAT COMMENT AND HOW THIS DAY HAS ENDED?>>WELL, CLEARLY, IF ANYTHING, THIS CAUCUS AND THIS PARTY IS UNDER TIGHTER CONTROL THAN UNDER STEPHEN HARPER. I THINK THAT ROB MAKES THIS POINT VERY WELL THAT THE NOTION THAT THIS WAS SOME KIND OF CAUCUS REVOLT AND THE UNWILLING PRIME MINISTER WAS FORCED TO LOWER THE BOOM ON PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN A THORN IN HIS SIDE THROUGHOUT THIS AFFAIR STRIKES ME AS FANCIFUL. WHETHER IT WAS OR NOT, I’M STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT NO ONE ALLEGES THAT EITHER WOMAN IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. THAT WHEN THEY ALLEGE THAT A SERIOUS EFFORT WAS MADE TO INTERFERE WITH A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, EVERYONE JUST BRUSHES PAST THAT AND WAVES IT ASIDE AS IF IT’S UNCONSEQUENTIAL AND TALKS ABOUT THE OPTICS. WE’RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE. IT’S NOT HOW OUR SYSTEM IS TO WORK. IT’S CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT IT’S AN OFFENSE WORTH DRUMMING YOU OUT OF THE PARTY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH THE LEADER AND THAT’S ONLY IN CANADA WHERE WE ALLOWED IT TO BE EMINATIONS OF THE LEADER AND THE CREATURES OF THE LEADER ALMOST. WHERE HE HAS TO SIGN THEIR NOMINATION PAPERS FOR YOU.>>Rosemary: BUT ISN’T THAT BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE INTERFERING IN ANYTHING, THAT THEY BELIEVED THEY WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE A PUBLIC POLICY CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS? AND JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD NEVER AT ANY POINT EXPLAINED WHY SHE WASN’T GOING TO DO IT?>>WELL, SHE DID EXPLAIN TO THE PRIME MINISTER EXPLICITLY ON SEPTEMBER 17th AND HIS SUBORDINANTS IN REPEATED OCCASIONS AFTER THAT. LOOK, I CAN’T GET INTO THE STATE OF THE MIND OF THE PRIME MINISTER WHETHER HE HONESTLY BELIEVED THAT HE WAS INTERFERING WITH THE PROSECUTION OR NOT. IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS ARE MADE ABOUT THAT WE DON’T THROW UP OUR HANDS AND SAY KICK THEM OUT OF CAUCUS, WE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. THIS PARTY AND THIS GOVERNMENT HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO THWART THAT, SO I’M LESS INCLINED TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ON THAT SCORE.>>Rosemary: I MEANT THAT SHE HAS NEVER EXPLAINED TO THE PRIME MINISTER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE ANYWAY, WHY SHE WAS NOT WILLING TO CONSIDER –>>LOOK, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS NOT OBLIGED TO ANSWER TO THE PRIME MINISTER FOR THE CONDUCT OF A PARTICULAR PROSECUTION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.>>Rosemary: OKAY, ROB?>>WELL, I THINK TO GET BACK TO THAT CLIP THAT YOU — THAT YOU PLAYED IN THE FIRST PART THERE WHERE HE SAID IF YOU TRY TO DO POLITICS DIFFERENTLY THESE KIND OF THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE IS AN ACTIVE DEBATE ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AROUND THE PRIME MINISTER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOULD CONTINUE TO TRY TO DO POLITICS DIFFERENTLY. THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, LOOK, WHEN WERE YOU EFFECTIVE? YOU WERE EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU BASHED PATRICK BRAZEAU, THE SENATOR, AROUND THE BOXING RING. YOU WERE EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU WIELDED ON STEPHEN HARPER ON THE FIRST DEBATE AND THE FIRST QUESTION AND PLANTED ONE ON HIM BETWEEN THE EYES. SO, LOOK, YOU’RE IN A FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE AND YOU’RE IN A FIGHT FOR GOVERNMENT, GO AHEAD AND BRAWL. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU MIGHT NEED TO. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS AREN’T WORKING RIGHT NOW. SUNNY WAYS AREN’T WORKING RIGHT NOW. THE NUMBERS ARE DOWN FOR THE LIBERALS. THEIR OWN POLLS ARE TELLING THEM THAT THERE’S ALARMING THINGS HAPPENING IN ATLANTIC CANADA AND BRITISH COLUMBIA. SO GO AHEAD AND BE A BRAWLER. OTHERS ARE SAYING THAT’S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. AND GO BACK TO TRYING TO BE IN EFFECT THE UNICORN WHO BELCHES UP BUBBLES OF CHANEL NUMBER 5.>>Rosemary: OKAY. ALTHIA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS AS A LESSON OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S LEADERSHIP OR A TEST THEREOF?>>I THINK WE HAVE TO BE HONEST. THERE IS NO WAY THAT PRIME MINISTER HARPER WOULD HAVE WAIVED CABINET CONFIDENCES AND ALLOWED FORMER CABINET MINISTERS TO GO AND TESTIFY AT A COMMITTEE. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A VERY SHORT TERM STORY. SO I THINK IN SOME WAYS DOING POLITICS DIFFERENTLY, IF THAT’S WHAT WE WANT TO BELIEVE FROM THE LINE COMING OUT OF CAUCUS MEETING TODAY, REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE DOING POLITICS STUPIDLY. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT WE ALSO, JUST TO ROB’S EARLIER POINT, I DON’T THINK THAT IT’S JUST NAKED SELF-INTEREST. I THINK THAT THERE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THESE TWO MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT. THEY ARE EITHER INCREDIBLY NAIVE — THIS IS REALLY — IF THEIR STORIES ARE TO BE BELIEVED, THEY REALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON SOMETHING THEY REALLY THOUGHT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS, THE SAYING THAT I’M SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER AND THAT RESIGNATION LETTER OR THAT DEMOTION LETTER, IF WE WERE TO CALL IT THAT IN JANUARY WHICH WAS A CATNIP FOR REPORTERS — THE INTERVIEWS DURING THE BUDGET WEEK, THERE’S NO WAY TO SEE THAT THAN YOU’RE NAIVE AND THERE’S A PERSONAL AGENDA AT PLAY HERE. IF YOU WERE REALLY ACTING ETHICALLY AND HONOURABLY AND ON PRINCIPLE, YOU WOULD HAVE QUIT IN SEPTEMBER AT THE MEETING WHEN THE PRIME MINISTER ASKED YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS PARTISAN. IF THE STORY IS TO BE BELIEVED THAT YOU WANTED TO KEEP — AND THIS IS YOU, BEING JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD — WANTED TO KEEP THE POSITION OF A.G. TO PREVENT THE GOVERNMENT FROM DOING SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE, SHE, WHO SAYS HERSELF SHE TAKES COPIOUS NOTES OF EVERYTHING, WOULD HAVE PAPER TRAILED. SHE WOULD HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER, STOP BUGGING ME ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I AM NOT DOING THIS. I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN AN EMAIL SAYING PUT YOUR GOD DARNED — GUARD DOGS AWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE WOULD BE A RECORD THERE AND THERE IS NOT. SO I THINK THAT IS WHY A LOT OF THE LIBERAL M.P.s ARE WONDERING WHAT IS REALLY AT PLAY HERE. WE DON’T UNDERSTAND.>>Rosemary: OR — OR SHE COULD HAVE, ANDREW, SHE COULD HAVE RELEASED THAT TAPE MUCH EARLIER FROM WERNICK. IF THIS WAS AN ISSUE WHERE — AND SHE FELT THAT IT WAS AN EVIDENCE OF BEING PRESSURED, AND CLEARLY SHE DID, I DON’T KNOW WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THAT TAPE TO BE RELEASED?>>PARTLY BECAUSE WERNICK DENIED WHAT SHE SAID IN TESTIMONY THAT HE HAD SAID TO HER. HE DENIED THAT HE THREATENED HER, FOR EXAMPLE. SO I IMAGINE THAT SHE KEPT THE TAPE AND MADE THE TAPE BECAUSE SHE WAS ANTICIPATING BOTH THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE IMPROPER AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT IT.>>Rosemary: ANYWAY –>>SO WHAT ARE HER MOTIVES OR AGENDA HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRUTH OR FALSITY OF HER ALLEGATIONS IT SEEMS TO ME IS A DEFLECTION. THE ALLEGATION IS MADE AND IT’S BEEN CONFIRMED IN MOST OF ITS RESPECTS. BUT THE PRIME MINISTER ATTEMPTED TO PRESSURE, TO CHANGE HER MIND, TO GET HER TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION ON A MATTER THAT IS WHOLLY THE BUSINESS OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA. WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP FOCUSED ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY RELEVANT HERE, RATHER THAN WHAT IS –>>ANDREW, PEOPLE ARE OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT ISSUE. YOU FIRMLY BELIEVE ONE THING. BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH YOU.>>WELL, THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS NOT WHETHER IT HAPPENED, IT’S WHETHER IT’S WRONG. THAT’S FINE, LET’S DEBATE THAT. BUT LET’S NOT GET INTO MOTIVES WHEN THEY DON’T GO TO THE GERMANE QUESTION WHICH IS WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER SAY AND WHAT DID MR. WERNICK SAY?>>OR WHAT IS THE EXTENT OF THAT INFLUENCE.>>WE KNOW WHAT MR. WERNICK SAID BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TAPE. IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THE TAPE THEY’D STILL BE DENYING IT.>>Rosemary: BUT I GUESS THAT THE PROBLEM — AND WHAT WE HAVE REALISED HERE — IS TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU THINK IS WARRANTED, ANDREW, AND I THINK THAT YOU’RE PROBABLY RIGHT — YOU CANNOT DO IT IN A CONTEXT IN WHICH WE ARE AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 54 DAYS — YOU CANNOT HAVE A REASONABLE, LOGICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE IS THE LINE IN THE CONVERSATION LIKE THIS –>>YOU COULD HAVE CALLED WITNESSES TO THE COMMONS JUSTICE COMMITTEE THE DAY AFTER THE STORY BROKE. INSTEAD, WHAT THEY FIRST TRIED TO DO WAS NOT TO CALL ANY WITNESSES EXCEPT FOR THE CLERK AND THE PRESENT ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THEN THEY RELUCTANTLY CALLED A COUPLE OTHER ONES. SOME ONCE, SOME NOT AT ALL. SO, YEAH, THE PROCESS HAS DRAGGED OUT. THAT’S BEEN THE STRATEGY.>>Rosemary: WELL, I — QUICKLY.>>THE PRIME MINISTER’S STORY HAS EVOLVED ON THIS.>>Rosemary: OF COURSE, OF COURSE.>>AND THEN IT WENT TO SOME MISTAKES WERE MADE. LOOK, I THINK THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE CAUCUS WHO THINKS THAT THE TALONS IN THE PRIME MINISTER’S LIVER ARE NOW OUT. I’M NOT SURE THAT IS TRUE. AT A MINIMUM, THE LIBERALS NUMBERS ARE DOWN AND THE PUBLIC HAS REAL HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND THE LIBERALS.>>Rosemary: I’VE GOT TO GO. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN ON A TUESDAY. WHERE IS THE STORY GOING NEXT? WE DON’T KNOW. BUT, ANYWAY, YOU CAN STAY IN THE KNOW WITH THE “AT ISSUE” PODCAST. AND THIS IS HELPFUL TO GET A BIT OF DISTANCE WITH THIS, WE’LL BE BACK WITH ANOTHER “AT ISSUE” ON THURSDAY NIGHT SO STICK AROUND FOR THAT. OKAY, IAN, ANDREW, THERE HAS BEEN OTHER NEWS AND YOU’RE WATCHING THE REST OF IT.>>Andrew: YOU CAN GO ON WITH THE PANEL FOR ANOTHER 20 MINUTES.>>>THERE’S LOTS AHEAD, STARTING WITH A BIG CHANGE IN NOVA SCOTIA’S ORGAN DONATIONS.>>WE DEPEND ON SOMETHING ELSE TO LIVE.>>Andrew: WHY IT WILL SOON BE THE FIRST PROVINCE WHERE YOU’LL HAVE TO OPT OUT, INSTEAD OF IN.>>WE’RE DEFINITELY MUCH BUSIER.>>Ian: AND WE’LL HEAR FROM FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FRONT LINES OF CLIMATE CHANGE, PREPARING FOR MORE EXTREME FIRES.>>Andrew: AS POLICE MAKE A ARREST TONIGHT IN THE KILLING OF NIPSEY HUSSLE WE’LL TAKE YOU TO THE RAPPER’S L.A. NEIGHBOURHOOD.>>WE’RE ABOUT TO GO BACKWARDS, LIKE, WHO WILL COME OUT AND OPEN UP THEIR OWN BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY?>>Andrew: ALL OF THAT AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>SO WE WILL NEED A FURTHER EXTENSION OF ARTICLE 50, ONE THAT IS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE AND WHICH ENDS WHEN WE PASS A DEAL.>>Ian: THERESA MAY IS STILL HAVING NO LUCK PASSING HER BREXIT DEAL THROUGH PARLIAMENT SO SHE’LL BE ASKING THE EUROPEAN UNION FOR YET ANOTHER EXTENSION. THE U.K. HAS TO APRIL 12th TO PROPOSE A PLAN TO THE E.U. WHICH THEN NEEDS TO BE ACCEPTED OR IT WILL LEAVE WITHOUT A DEAL. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL HAS BEEN VOTED DOWN TWICE IN PARLIAMENT.>>>CHARGES HAVE NOW BEEN LAID OVER THE KIDNAPPING OF THE CHINESE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT WANZHEN LU IN ONTARIO. ABDULLAHI ADAN TURNED HIMSELF IN TO POLICE OVERNIGHT AFTER A CANADA-WIDE WARRANT WAS ISSUED YESTERDAY. HE’S ONE OF FOUR SUSPECTS OF FORCING LU INTO A VAN ON MARCH 23rd POLICE HAVE A MESSAGE FOR THE REMAINING THREE.>>IT’S TIME TO SEEK COUNSEL AND TURN YOURSELF IN. AND OUR INVESTIGATORS ARE CLOSING IN ON THEM AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY’RE IN CUSTODY AS WELL.>>Ian: LU WAS FOUND OUTSIDE OF A HOUSE THREE DAYS AFTER HE WENT MISSING. INVESTIGATORS SAY THAT THERE WAS A RANSOM DEMAND MADE, BUT WON’T SAY WHAT IT WAS.>>Andrew: IN THE NEAR FUTURE ALMOST EVERY ADULT IN NOVA SCOTIA WILL AUTOMATICALLY BECOME ORGAN DONORS AFTER THEY DIE.>>IT WILL BE PRESUMED CONSENT WHEN THIS BILL BECOMES LAW AND IT WILL NO LONGER BE A QUESTION OF REGISTERING TO BE AN ORGAN DONOR, WE WILL ALL BE CONSIDERED TO BE ORGAN DONORS.>>Andrew: THAT’S THE PREMIER TODAY ANNOUNCING THAT HE TABLED NEW LEGISLATION THAT WILL BASICALLY TURN THE CURRENT SYSTEM ON ITS HEAD. SO RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO BE AN ORGAN DONOR IN THIS COUNTRY YOU HAVE TO OPT IN BY FILLING OUT A FORM THAT GIVES CONSENT. BUT THIS NEW LEGISLATION WILL PUT THE ONUS ON NOVA SCOTIANS TO OPT OUT. THE LAW WILL BE A FIRST OF ITS KIND IN NORTH AMERICA. BUT OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE TAKEN A SIMILAR APPROACH. SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT BEING AN ORGAN DONOR BY DEFAULT? VIK ADHOPIA WEIGHS THE PROS AND CONS.>>THOSE ARE THE PLASTIC CABLES.>>Reporter: THROUGH THE TUBES TWO LITRES OF SOLUTION PUMP THROUGH MARCEL ROSEN’S BODY AND DOING THE CRITICAL JOB OF HIS KIDNEYS WHICH BARELY WORK.>>PERISHED IN AUSCHWITZ…>>Reporter: FOR SOMEONE WHO SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST, DAILY DIALYSIS DOESN’T FEEL LIKE LIVING.>>YOUR LIFE IS AT A STANDSTILL. YOU DEPEND ON SOMETHING ELSE TO LIVE.>>Reporter: ROZEN IS SO DESPERATE TO FIND A KIDNEY DONOR THAT LAST YEAR HIS WIFE JULIA RESORTED TO POSTING FLIERS.>>IT’S FRUSTRATING, OKAY, I DON’T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.>>Reporter: ROZEN IS AMONG THE MORE THAN 4,000 CANADIANS WAITING FOR AN ORGAN TRANSPLANT. AND HUNDREDS DIE EVERY YEAR AFTER NOT GETTING ONE. WHILE ALMOST 90% OF CANADIANS SUPPORT ORGAN DONATION AND ONLY 20% HAVE SIGNED UP. SEVERAL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVE LONG HAD PRESUMED CONSENT IMPROVING TRANSPLANT RATES, BUT WILL WHAT WORKS IN EUROPE WORK IN CANADA?>>I’M NOT SURE THAT IT’S A GREAT FIT FOR CANADIAN SOCIETY.>>Reporter: THIS BIOETHICIST QUESTIONS WHETHER WE WOULD EMBRACE PRESUMED CONSENT AND WHETHER PEOPLE WILL KNOW TO OPT OUT.>>THIS IS TRULY AN INFORMED DECISION OF AN INDIVIDUAL. AND I THINK THAT WITH SOMETHING LIKE OPT OUT OR PRESUMED CONSENT, IT MAY NOT BE.>>Reporter: CANADIANS HAVE SHOWN A WILLINGNESS TO ACT ON ORGAN DONATIONS. WHEN LOGAN BOULET WAS KILLED SIX PEOPLE RECEIVED A TRANSPLANT AND NEARLY 100,000 CANADIANS SIGNED UP TO BE DONORS. BUT REGISTRATIONS HAVE TAPERED OFF. FOR THOSE IN THE TRANSPLANT FIELD ALL EYES ARE NOW ON NOVA SCOTIA.>>I HOPE THAT THIS FACILITATES THOSE PEOPLE TO BECOME DONORS WHO DIDN’T MAKE THEIR WISHES KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME. AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO DON’T WISH TO DONATE.>>Reporter: PRESUMED CONSENT WOULD IMPROVE THE ODDS OF A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FOR MARCEL ROZEN.>>I THINK IT’S A GOOD IDEA.>>Reporter: AS IT STANDS HE DOESN’T KNOW HOW LONG HE’LL HAVE TO WAIT. VIK ADHOPIA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: THE NOVA SCOTIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT IT WILL BE AT LEAST 12 TO 18 MONTHS BEFORE THE BILL ACTUALLY BECOMES LAW. THEY WANT TIME TO EDUCATE AND TRAIN HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS ON ORGAN DONATION. IT’S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THE LAW WILL NOT APPLY TO PEOPLE UNDER 19 OR TO THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO CONSENT FOR THEMSELVES.>>>OKAY, LET’S FOLLOW-UP ON AN IMPORTANT STORY ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. THAT STARK REPORT WARNING CANADA IS HEATING UP TWICE AS FAST ON AVERAGE THAN REST OF THE PLANET.>>Ian: AND, ANDREW, TODAY HARSH WORDS ON WHO’S TO BLAME. THE ENVIRONMENT COMMISSIONER SAYS THAT SHE FINDS IT DISTURBING HOW LITTLE CANADA HAS DONE.>>CANADA NEEDS TO GET READY TO ADAPT TO A CHANGING CLIMATE AND MUST DO MORE TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS OF REDUCING GREENHOUSE GASES.>>Ian: JULIE GELFAND CRITICIZED THE GOVERNMENTS OVER THE YEARS FOR FAILING TO REACH THEIR OWN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION TARGETS. IN ONE OF HER FINAL AUDITS SHE TAKES AIM AT THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT FOR NOT KEEPING A PROMISE TO SCRAP SOME OIL INDUSTRY SUBSIDIES.>>WHEN WILL THIS GOVERNMENT TAKE BOLD ACTION TO TAKE ON CATASTROPHIC CLIMATE CHANGE?>>(Speaker of the House): THE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT.>>MR. SPEAKER, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT WE NEED BOLD ACTION AND THAT’S AND WILL WHAT WE DO.>>Ian: CANADA IS 90 MILLION TONNES SHORT ANNUALLY OF MEETING ITS 2030 EMISSIONS TARGET. THE CLIMATE CHANGE REPORT WARNS THAT THE RISK OF WILDFIRES WILL ONLY GROW. BRIAR STEWART TAKES US TO B.C. NOW WHERE THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE ALREADY ADJUSTING TO THE NEW NORMAL.>>Reporter: AS THE HELICOPTER HOVERS ABOVE THE GROUND, CREWS PRACTISE HOW TO DESCEND INTO A FIRE ZONE. PREPPING FOR WHAT COULD BE ANOTHER BUSY SEASON.>>WE’RE KIND OF USING THE HOVER AS A LAST RESORT. IF THERE’S NO OTHER OPTIONS TO GET INTO THE FIRE.>>Reporter: WHILE THEY’RE TRAINING ABOUT 200 KILOMETRES TO THE NORTHWEST, OTHERS ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH THE REAL THING AS A FIRE BURNS NEAR SQUAMISH. IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, B.C. HAS SEEN ITS WORST WILDFIRE SEASONS ON RECORD. A FEW SECTIONS OF THE PROVINCE BURNED AND SMOKE WAFTED FAR AND WIDE.>>A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER…>>Reporter: WHICH IS WHY THE DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW PREPARING FOR WHAT COULD BE ROUND THREE.>>THE COVERALLS THAT THE GUYS WOULD WEAR.>>Reporter: GERALD BASTEN IS THE CHIEF OF THE AGASSIZ FIRE DEPARTMENT. IN ADDITION TO FIGHTING A LARGE FIRE NEAR THE COMMUNITY LAST YEAR, HIS TEAM WAS DEPLOYED ACROSS THE PROVINCE.>>WE’RE DEFINITELY MUCH BUSIER AND DEFINITELY HAVE MANY MORE MANHOURS AND EXPECT MORE FROM OUR VOLUNTEERS AND TASK OUR VOLUNTEERS ON A REGULAR BASIS.>>Reporter: AND THE OUTLOOK ISN’T GOOD. NORTHERN B.C. IS ONE OF THE PLACES IN CANADA THAT HAS SEEN SOME OF THE HIGHEST INCREASES IN TEMPERATURE.>>AND FIVE YEARS AGO WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CLIMATE MODELS AND WE WERE THINKING THAT WE HAD TIME. WE THOUGHT THAT THINGS WOULD CHANGE GRADUALLY. THINGS CHANGED JUST LIKE THAT.>>Reporter: HE SAYS IT’S NOT ENOUGH FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS TO TRY TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS. ENTIRE FORESTS HAVE TO BE THINNED OUT AND CARBON EMISSIONS HAVE TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY CURBED.>>SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME REALLY BIG TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGES IN A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE ECONOMY AND THE SOCIETY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.>>Reporter: HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT WILL HAPPEN?>>NOT VERY. THERE’S SO MUCH INERTIA AGAINST MAKING BIG CHANGES.>>Reporter: THE TYPE OF DRASTIC ACTIONS THAT HE BELIEVES ARE REALLY NECESSARY TO TRY TO REVERSE THE ALREADY DESTRUCTIVE TREND. BRIAR STEWART, CBC NEWS, HOPE, B.C.>>Ian: THOSE TWO RECORD-BREAKING WILDFIRE SEASONS HAVE LED TO A 58% BUMP IN B.C.’S FIREFIGHTING BUDGET THIS YEAR. THAT’S $101 MILLION TO HELP TO REDUCE WILDFIRE RISKS IN AFFECTED COMMUNITIES AND TO PAY FOR MORE CREWS AND EQUIPMENT.>>Andrew: STARTLING NEW INSIGHT INTO THE DEADLY COLLAPSE OF AN OUTDOOR STAGE IN TORONTO SEVEN YEARS AGO. JUST HOURS BEFORE A RADIOHEAD CONCERT. AT AN INQUEST TODAY THE MAN WHOSE COMPANY BUILT THE STAGE MADE A DRAMATIC ADMISSION — THAT THIS WAS ALL AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. KATIE NICHOLSON HAS THE DETAILS THAT STUNNED THE COURTROOM.>>Reporter: EVERY SUMMER FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS THIS STAGE WENT UP IN ONTARIO. BUT BEHIND THE NUTS AND BOLTS A DANGEROUS PROBLEM THAT TOOK THE LIFE OF SCOTT JOHNSON WHEN ALL OF THIS CAME CRASHING DOWN ON THE RADIOHEAD DRUM TECHNICIAN. TODAY AT THE INQUEST INTO HIS DEATH, EXPLOSIVE ADMISSIONS FROM THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT BUILT THE STAGE. SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS ONE PART — A TRUSS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP TO BEAR THE HEAVY ROOF LOAD. “IT’S GARBAGE,” DALE MARTIN SAID OF THE TRUSS COMPONENT, “IT NEVER EXISTED. THIS DRAWING WAS ALWAYS WRONG.” AND STILL THE STAGE WENT UP AGAIN AND AGAIN AND FINALLY AND FATALLY AT TORONTO’S DOWNSVIEW PARK. MARTIN TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TRAGEDY. “THE SYSTEM FAILED. MY PEOPLE, ME. I’M RESPONSIBLE.” BUT SCOTT JOHNSON’S FATHER, KEN, IT WAS HARD TO TAKE IN.>>IT’S RIDICULOUS. IT IS, YOU KNOW, SCOTT SHOULD BE HERE. THEY — WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TRUSS ALL WEEK AND EVERYBODY ADMITS THAT IT NEVER EXISTED.>>Reporter: THE INQUEST HEARD EVIDENCE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THE STAGE TOGETHER YEAR AFTER YEAR WORKED AROUND WHAT MARTIN PERCEIVED AS A DESIGN FLAW.>>THAT’S EXACTLY THE DANGER OF COMPLACENCY, RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE WITHOUT INCIDENT.>>Reporter: THIS FORENSIC ENGINEER HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE CASE FOR YEARS.>>WHAT I HEARD IN THERE WAS RIDICULOUS. TO SEE THAT KIND OF DEVIATION FROM WHAT IS EXPECTED IN A DESIGN AND WHAT’S ACTUALLY BUILT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.>>Reporter: AFTER THIS COLLAPSE, THE DOWNSVIEW STAGE IS NO MORE. BUT IT HAS A SISTER STAGE WITH THE EXACT SAME DESIGN, SOLE TO A — SOLD TO A COMPANY IN OSAKA, JAPAN, WHERE A COURT HEARD THAT IT’S STILL STANDING TODAY. KATIE NICHOLSON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Rosemary: I KIND OF WANT TO DO THIS NEXT ONE IN A HIGH VOICE BUT I CAN’T. AHEAD TONIGHT HOW A HELIUM SHORTAGE COULD AFFECT EVERYTHING FROM YOUR HEALTH CARE TO YOUR SMARTPHONE.>>Ian: A TOUGH TRADE FOR THE JAYS FANS. THEY ARE LOSING SUPERMAN.>>Reporter: WHAT MAKES THIS SO EMOTIONAL FOR YOU?>>IT’S ALL I’VE EVER KNOWN. (*) (*) (singing). (*)>>Ian: LOS ANGELES POLICE ARRESTED A SUSPECT IN THE MURDER OF THE RAP STAR NIPSEY HUSSLE WHO WAS SHOT DEAD ON SUNDAY IN FRONT OF HIS LOS ANGELES CLOTHING STORE. 29-YEAR-OLD ERIC HOLDER IS A KNOWN GANG MEMBER BUT POLICE BELIEVE THAT HE HAD A PERSONAL DISPUTE WITH NIPSEY. LAST NIGHT THERE WAS CHAOS AT A VIGIL FOR THE MURDERED MUSICIAN AFTER A MAN BRANDISHED A GUN. AT LEAST 19 PEOPLE WERE INJURED, RATCHETING UP TENSIONS IN THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD. NIPSEY WAS KNOWN FOR HIS COMMUNITY ACTIVISM AND FIGHTING GANG VIOLENCE AND TRYING TO IMPROVE PEOPLE’S LIVES. TODAY THE CBC’S KIM BRUNHUBER HEARD FIRSTHAND WHAT NIPSEY MEANT TO PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBOURHOOD AND TO ASK WHETHER ANYONE ELSE WILL TRY TO TAKE UP HIS MISSION TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.>>Reporter: HERE THEY COME DOWN THE ALLEY, 25 AT A TIME UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYES OF THE LAPD. THESE DAYS AUTHORITIES DON’T EVEN TRUST THE COMMUNITY TO MOURN IN PEACE. THE STREET OUTSIDE OF NIPSEY HUSSLE’S STORE, MARATHON CLOTHING, WAS SHUT DOWN AFTER A VIGIL LAST NIGHT TURNED VIOLENT. SO HE PAYS HIS RESPECTS FROM BEHIND THE POLICE TAPE.>>YOU START OFF SMALL, YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING.>>Reporter: JONES USED TO SEE THE MAN HE CALLED “NIP” AND LIKE HIM HE HAD HIS OWN CLOTHING LINE. HE WAS SELLING SOCKS AND T-SHIRTS IN THE PARKING LOT AND CAME BACK AND BOUGHT THIS BUILDING, HOPING TO BUY MORE, HOPING TO STOP GENTRIFICATION THAT WAS NIBBLING AWAY AT THIS HISTORICKIC NEIGHBOURHOOD.>>WE’RE GOING BACKWARDS. WHO ELSE WOULD COME OUT AND OPEN UP A BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY.>>Reporter: AND THE NEIGHBOURS STILL CAN’T BELIEVE THAT HIS NEIGHBOUR IS GONE.>>IF YOU ASK ME ABOUT HIS MUSIC, I HAVE VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. BUT I DO KNOW THE MAN. AND I’M TELLING YOU THAT HE’S INSPIRATIONAL.>>Reporter: HIS LEGACY, ONE OF EMPOWERMENT.>>WE COULD BUY STUFF, WE COULD OWN STUFF, THAT WAS HIS KEY THING.>>Reporter: NOW THE NATION OF ISLAM WHICH HAS BEEN TRYING TO BROKER PEACE IN THE AREA SINCE NIPSEY’S DEATH SAY IT’S TIME FOR ANOTHER STAR TO GRAB THE BATON.>>SO WHAT NIPSEY WAS DOING NEEDED TO BE EXPANDED, SO THAT THE SNOOP DOGGS OF THE WORLD AND THE DR. DRE’S OF THE WORLD, THEY NEED TO COME AND TO FINISH HIS LEGACY.>>FOR THE COMMUNITY THIS IS A WAKEUP CALL.>>Reporter: ANTI-VIOLENCE ADVOCATES SAY THAT EDUCATION IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE ARGUMENTS THAT END WITH THE WINNER IN JAIL, AND THE LOSER IN THE CEMETERY.>>WE HAVE TO WORK IT AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AND NOT A GANG ISSUE, NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO HURT US. THESE ARE OUR OWN CHILDREN AND OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE HURTING US THE MOST.>>Reporter: THE FIRST TEST HE SAYS IS NIPSEY’S FUNERAL. IF THE COMMUNITY CAN GET THROUGH THAT WITHOUT FURTHER BLOODSHED, HE SAYS, THAT’S A START. KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, LOS ANGELES.>>Andrew: A LOT MORE AHEAD TONIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL,” INCLUDING WHAT IS BEHIND A SERIOUS SHORTAGE OF HELIUM AROUND THE WORLD AND WHY THAT AFFECTS FAR MORE THAN JUST PARTY BALLOONS.>>IT’S A KIND OF A DISASTER BECAUSE IF I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EXPERIMENT AT LOW TEMPERATURE AND I CAN’T GET HELIUM, I HAVE TO STOP. (*) (*)>>Ian: THE CITY OF CHICAGO MADE HISTORY TONIGHT, ELECTING ITS FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN FEFEMALE MAYOR. THEY CHOSE FORMER PROSECUTOR LORI LIGHTFOOT IN A RUNOFF VOTE. WHEN SWORN IN LIGHTFOOT WILL BE CHICAGO’S FIRST OPENLY GAY MAYOR.>>>ONTARIO M.P. TONY CLEMENT SAYS THAT HE WILL NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION THIS FALL. HE’S SITTING AS AN INDEPENDENT SINCE BEING KICKED OUT OF THE CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS IN NOVEMBER IN A SEXTING SCANDAL. IT CAME TO LIGHT AFTER HE SENT SEXUALLY, ACCOMPLICEIT IMAGES TO SOMEONE ONLINE AND THEY TRIED TO EXTORT HIM IN. A STATEMENT TODAY HE SAID THAT IT’S TIME TO MOVE ON. MY PERSONAL LIFE IS BACK ON TRACK AFTER THE PERSONAL CRISIS THAT I CREATED AND THAT BETTER LIVED LIFE WILL CONTINUE.>>Andrew: WELL, IT IS THE SECOND MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE, BUT HERE ON EARTH THERE’S A MAJOR SHORTAGE OF HELIUM. SUPPLIES ARE SHRINKING, PRICES SKYROCKETING. IT’S PUTTING A DAMPER ON THE PARTY BALLOON BUSINESS. BUT THE PROBLEM RUNS FAR DEEPER THAN JUST THAT. AS AARON SALTZMAN SHOWS US, HELIUM IS USED WORLDWIDE IN WAYS THAT YOU MAY NEVER HAVE CONSIDERED.>>Reporter: WHAT’S A PARTY WITHOUT BALLOONS? BUT PAYING FOR THESE PARTY FAVOURS –>>116… GOING UP AND UP.>>Reporter: HAS SOME PEOPLE FEELING DEFLATED.>>I HAVE TO THINK TWICE ABOUT THE DECORATIONS AND WHETHER I CAN AFFORD TO HAVE THE BALLOONS FOR THE PARTY.>>Reporter: HELIUM COSTS HAVE SOARED.>>I USED TO GET THOSE TANKS FOR $100 AND NOW THEY’RE RUNNING $300.>>Reporter: HELIUM BALLOONS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE LUXURIES THAT ONE COULD EASILY DO WITHOUT. BUT THEY’RE ALSO A HARBINGER OF A POTENTIALLY FAR MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM. HELIUM MAY BE THE WORLD’S MOST VERSATILE GAS. IT’S USED TO MAKE SMARTPHONES, FIBEROPTIC CABLES AND SEMICONDUCTORS AND SCUBA DIVERS USE HELIUM. AND SO DO WELDERS. THERE’S HELIUM IN COMPUTER HARD DRIVES, IN M.R.I.s, IN PARTICLE ACCELERATORS AND NUCLEAR FUSION RESEARCH USES HELIUM. BUT IN SPITE OF ITS MANY USES THERE ARE VERY FEW SOURCES. JUST 14 LIQUID HELIUM PLANTS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, AND FOR ABOUT THE LAST YEAR OR SO SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS.>>THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS PLANNED AND UNPLANNED PLANT MAINTENANCE OUTAGES WHICH HAVE TAKEN ADDITIONAL CAPACITY OFF THE MARKET.>>Reporter: A HANDFUL OF CANADIAN COMPANIES HAVE STARTED DRILLING FOR HELIUM IN SASKATCHEWAN AND ALBERTA, HOPING TO CASH IN ON THE HIGHER PRICES. BUT THESE TYPES OF OPERATIONS ACCOUNT FOR ONLY ABOUT 3% OF THE WORLD’S HELIUM. THE REST IS A BY-PRODUCT OF NATURAL GAS PRODUCTIONS WHICH MEANS THAT HELIUM PRODUCERS CAN’T EASILY OR QUICKLY INCREASE SUPPLY. JOHN BEAMISH USES LIQUID HELIUM TO STUDY THE FUNDAMENTAL PROPERTIES OF MATERIALS AT TEMPERATURES CLOSE TO ABSOLUTE ZERO. NO HELIUM, NO RESEARCH.>>THAT COULD HAPPEN AND IT’S KIND OF A DISASTER BECAUSE IF I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EXPERIMENT AT LOW TEMPERATURE AND I CAN’T GET HELIUM, I HAVE TO STOP AND THEN ALL OF THE DATA AND WORK THAT I HAVE DONE IS GENERALLY WASTED.>>Reporter: HE’S OKAY FOR NOW BECAUSE OF LONG-TERM CONTRACTS, BUT THIS IS THE THIRD HELIUM SHORTAGE SINCE 2006 AND THIS ONE MAY OUTLAST THOSE CONTRACTS. BACK AT THE BALLOON STORE, OWNER TAMMY STILL IS STRUGGLING TO AVOID PASSING ON HER HIGHER COSTS.>>IT’S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY FOR ME AND IT’S ABOUT THE FUN OF DOING THE BALLOONS.>>Reporter: AND NO ONE IN THIS BUSINESS WANTS TO BE A PARTY POOPER. AARON SALTZMAN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Ian: “THE MOMENT” IS UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL.” BUT FIRST… (*)>>>”IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” TORONTO’S SUPERMAN IS FLYING AWAY. THE BLUE JAYS TRADED KEVIN PILLAR TO THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS FOR THREE PLAYERS, A MOVE THAT HIT PILLAR HARD.>>I SPEND MORE TIME WITH PEOPLE HERE THAN I DO WITH MY OWN FAMILY. SO THAT PART OF IT IS HARD.>>Ian: AND HIS TIME IN TORONTO HAS BEEN ALL HE KNOWS. FIRST DRAFTED IN 2011, PILLAR WAS THE BLUE JAY WITH THE LONGEST TENURE ON THE TEAM. AND WITH MOVES LIKE THIS…>>TO THE WALL!>>Ian: AND THIS… AND THIS…>>PILLAR MAKES THE CATCH!>>Ian: IT’S EASY TO UNDERSTAND HOW PILLAR GOT HIS NICKNAME AND QUICKLY BECAME A FAN FAVOURITE.>>A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED, I AM A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND THE REASON AND EVERYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE JAYS GAME TONIGHT I WAS HOPING TO SEE HIM.>>IT HAS TO BE THOSE SUPERMAN CATCHES. RIGHT IN THE BACK FIELD AND HIT THE WALL, OH, IT’S BEAUTIFUL.>>Ian: BUT AS JAYS FANS LOOK TOWARDS A FUTURE WITHOUT PILLAR THE TEAM SENT ITS PARTING WORDS IN A TWEET, “THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING, KEVIN PILLAR. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE OUR SUPERMAN.”>>Rosemary: DAN CARDINAL HAS BEEN A BELLMAN AT THE SHERATON IN SASKATOON FOR 50 YEARS. FOR FIVE DECADES HE’S GREETED HOTEL GUESTS AT THE DOOR AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. BUT NOW DAN IS RETIRING AND TODAY HE WALKED OUT OF THE HOTEL FOR THE LAST TIME AND HIS FINAL DAY IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING?>>GOOD, THANKS A LOT. HOW ARE YOU?>>GOOD. I’M DOING WELL, THANK YOU. I TELL EVERYBODY THAT’S BEEN ASKING, I SAY THAT’S MY YOUNGER EVIL BROTHER. BUT THAT’S ME BACK IN THE MID 1980s, ROUGHLY. THAT’S A GREETING TO PEOPLE WELCOMING THEM. I TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT I DO AND I DO IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. I’M GOING TO MISS THE PEOPLE MORE SO THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I’D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME OUT, I HAD TOUGH DAYS AND BAD DAYS, AND IT MADE ME A BETTER PERSON TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. SO IT’S PARTY TIME NOW. GOODBYE, I’M OUTTA HERE. SEE YA! SEE YA, EVERYBODY. BYE! I’LL GET MY OWN DOOR.>>Andrew: I’LL GET MY OWN DOOR, THAT’S GOOD. SO BESIDES LEARNING THAT HE’S JUST A WONDERFULLY NICE GUY, I LEARNED THAT I HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH HIM AND THAT IS SO HE SAYS THE FAVOURITE PART OF HIS JOB IS INTERACTING WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND HEARING THEIR STORIES. I AGREE, FAIR ENOUGH.>>Rosemary: CLASSIC. AND HE’S ALSO MET KISS, KENNY ROGERS AND JOHNNY CASH, SO THE PERFECT JOB, REALLY.>>Ian: OKAY. SO THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND — KISS, THE FRONTMAN GENE SIMMONS, I DON’T KNOW IF YOU HAVE READ MUCH ABOUT GENE SIMMONS BUT HE MAKES A LOT ABOUT HIS EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. SO HE SPENT TIME IN SASKATOON. DAN, I THINK THAT THERE’S A STORY IN THERE FOR US.>>Rosemary: OH, YEAH A BOOK.>>Ian: SOME SECRETS TO TELL. WE’RE HERE, WE’RE AVAILABLE.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR APRIL 2nd. GOODNIGHT.>>Rosemary: GOODNIGHT.>>Andrew: GOODNIGHT.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *