Smart living – balance between man and technology

SMART TECHNOLOGIES AND… HUMAN Welcome to the next episode
of “Smart technologies and human” Welcome to the amazing
interior of EC1. Behind us there’s some kind of
incredible ventilation structure, which we may still discuss
later, if imagination allows us to. Meanwhile, I’m going to introduce
guests of today’s episode: As usual, the irreplaceable Dominika
[Faculty of Management, University of Łódź] And our special guest – Jacek
Fischbach, Innovation Zone Leader from the Cybercom company That’s right,
good afternoon everyone. We are in our usual
surroundings, where we like to talk about the latest
developments in technology, about innovations and
smart technologies. Let’s talk about what exactly
changes us and our lives and what changes human
perception in everyday life. Yes, today we’re going to
talk about smart living concept, that combines the concept of smart
city, smart transport, smart home, smart workplace and,
of course, smart inhabitant. However, it is increasingly
being emphasized that this is not about
technology in itself, but rather about how we use it
to create space that is more safe, more functional,
more ecological and energy efficient, and, I hope, more and more adapted
to our real needs and expectations. So, are we Poles already “smart”? Have we managed to
familiarize ourselves with this technology available
on the market today? I would reverse the question.,
or put it differently. Because I don’t think
it’s ever gonna be like we’re in a position to
have everything adapted. It is so that some are already more
advanced, others are just getting in, and some are just
appearing on the horizon, a lot of them
and they are very new. PROGRAMME PARTNER I’ve reasearched a little bit on
these smart cities and smart living. I’ve found a few definitions… Ones were from the
viewpoint of technology, like smart city is about wide use of
technology – data, sensors, everything… Another kind of definition
is rather about people. It’s about our lives be
easier, more enjoyable, more efficient,
maybe cheaper and safer. – We can also distinguish the point
of view of local administration. Smart city for them is an
organized, economical place that generates lower
costs, right? – Yes, we will come to this later,
because it is very important. I’ve compared different
rankings for smart cities. Among others, there was a ranking by
the Vienna University of Technology. Few years ago they’ve created
a model of smart city. This model uses a number
of assessment criteria to determine whether a
city is smart or not. These criteria are: the economic
competitiveness of the city, smart people, i.e. to what extent educated people
and universities are present, smart living, or what the quality of
life of the inhabitants looks like, and this quality consists of many elements
– transport, health, entertainment, etc. Also smart government, i.e. local government,
city management, administration. And according to these statistics, Vienna
is the European leader in being “smart”. – We are not surprised at all. Large cities were also examined
in this ranking, but it mainly concerned cities between 100
and 500 thousand inhabitants, with at least one university, where up to one and a half million
people live in the vicinity of the city. It also includes Polish cities, e.g.
Szczecin, Bydgoszcz, Rzeszów… – What about Łódź? – No, I didn’t see Łódź there.
– Łódź is above 500 thousand… – It’s between 100 and 500.
I didn’t find Łódź there, no. But what is crucial, these Polish cities
are rather at the end of the ranking. Out of 80 cities, our Polish cities
occupy positions between 50 and 60. – But why? Are we not willing to have technologies in
our space or do we invest insufficiently? – Maybe we can’t afford it yet. – I think it’s all of these. When I was looking for factors
that make cities more smart… Back to Vienna – Vienna has a smart city
strategy adopted for many years to come. They have decided that
they want to operate in the area of quality,
resources and innovation. and they’re commited
to implementing this and what is most important, they have it
clarified, they have a strategy written down. It turns out that Polish cities in most
cases do not have a strategy of this kind. Therefore, the actions are not coherent
– there is a lot of innovation happening in the background, but it is difficult
to integrate all these elements. Smart living and smart city consists
of a lot of different elements. We’ve already started
talking about it before… It is a question of
economics, transport, health, environmental protection,
water treatment management, sewage management, processing and obtaining
energy from waste… A lot of elements.
It’s not easy to manage. Let’s leave the Vienna topic, but Vienna,
and it’s very important, relies on data. Vienna does indeed collect and
share data in Gaussian models. They make this data available in
order to co-create different solutions. – They share it with
companies or with users? – Both with companies and with
users, simply for public use. It also happens in Poland,
it begins to happen. Cities like Gdańsk, Gdynia, Warszawa,
Łódź, Lublin give away data. I think there’s a lot going on
and even more is going to happen. We just need more time. – Cities are giving data away but do
we, inhabitants, make use of them? I think not directly, because it is rather
data for private companies, start-ups, which can offer something
to citizens on this basis. – However, it does happen sometimes.
I myself use the so-called orthophotomap. It is created specially
for individual cities, for example Łódź and Pabianice
have satellite photos, which can be accessed by any user, city
has payed for this, anyone can use them. These are photos of great quality, used
in urban planning, geodesy, architecture. Nevertheless, every inhabitant can see
each plot of city land at a high zoom and find out, for example,
if there are any obstacles in the way of buying it,
investing there or building a house… This is a situation that shows that
cities invest in this type of data. They are investing and these are the
beginnings. I will often mention that there are a lot of great cases and
solutions, but it’s not common yet. Interesting fact,
do you know that there is an ISO standard? – For smart city?
– Yes, for smart city. – I’ve checked it: 37 120 It’s been valid in
Poland for two years. Lublin has a certificate,
it meets the ISO standard. But it was just a digression.
Let’s go back to trivia. While working for Cybercom,
I often visit Nordic countries. I would like to talk
about Stockholm’s case. It is so-called
Europe’s green capital. There are many smart city
projects going on in Stockholm. One of the districts,
Hammarby, a post-industrial one, so it has a lot in common with
Łódź and its amazing areas. The project Urban Living
Lab was introduced there and in this district city
transport is being tested, transport in general, with electric
cars, electric bicycles, electric buses. Also the matter of energy and closed-looped
waste management is being tested. The question of water
and sewage as well. Many elements were developed in one
district and this project is now underway. – What are the
results, do you know? – Not yet,
it’s too early I think. I’ve heard about this project also
in Poland only few months ago. This is a fairly new
project, and such things developed in the cities
require some time. Constructing a new district with a new
infrastructure does not take half a year. – Constructing new district, you say. Aren’t
we facing the risk of gentrification here? I mean changing the function of a city
in order to implement, for example, smart technologies, intended mainly
for a more affluent part of society? – But we are talking only
about one district, right? – It’s only an example of a
project where they put in a lot of modern technology and are
testing how it will work. I know there are more similar tests going
on in Europe, in Germany for example… – Yes, but let’s use our imagination
a little more, do some futurology. If this project and a few others succeed,
aren’t we in danger of gentrification? – In my opinion, no.
I am full of hope and I’ll tell you why. I’ll go back to Poland because we indeed
have some really great innitiatives, ones related to transport and
traffic optimization and management, such things happen
in big Polish cities, ones related to safety, like 16.000
security cameras integrated in Warsaw, ones related to lighting
that adapts to the time of day, there is a real need
for this in urban space. Intelligent lighting is already
a standard in Barcelona, in Poland it gradually
becomes a standard. There are more and more
different developments. But… now I think we should categorize
a bit this whole smart living issue. So we can make it more
clear to our audience. I think we should go through the
topic of smart city, smart workplace, extend this with the theme of smart buildings,
and dive into the subject of our homes. Beginning with smart city…
I think the point is, intuitively speaking,
because there are many definitions…. The idea is that the city should give
its citizens the highest quality of life. So that people would want to live
there and not move out of town. That quality of life is built on a daily
basis by several different elements. One of such elements is
simply the transport. – Indeed, the most visible and
vital issue in everyday life, in the city. It’s very important in Poland. Did you know in Warsaw there are many more
cars per thousand inhabitants that there are in Berlin? We have gasped on the number of
cars, there are a lot of them. In Malmo, where I travel, in the city
centre there are long streets, but no cars. People ride bicycles. Typical view at the
train or bus station – hundreds of bicycles. It’s not like that in here, yet. And the
weather in Malmo, believe me, is worse. And people can handle it. We discuss smart
parking lots a lot. It’s about loading the city center
with cars, but in a smarter way, so as to maximize the use of space. Of course it is possible and such projects are
being developed and there will be many of them. And here goes a question
– human or technology? Should we load more cars to the
city centre or, and that is crucial, this is not all about technology,
nor is it about us waking up one day in the city centres,
where there are thousands of cars. Some effort is needed
to change habits. – Yes, it is a continuous
tendency that we see in the discussions of local
government administration. And of local politicians involved
in local government administration. They operate in a conflict,
in a certain tension between the interests of a
resident who lives here and now, has his own car, commutes home, would
like to comfortably travel to work by car, and city administrators who see that there
are too many cars in the city center, especially in rush hour,
when all is stuck in traffic jams, because there are too many cars, so they suggest that citizens change
from cars to buses, tramways or bicycles. – Wait, you say it’s
impossible to load so many cars… However, given the multitude
of technologies, I will oppose – it cannot be that
something is impossible. – It is possible but the
question is: do we want to? – Exactly,
do we want to and how to do it? After all, we say in the context of
smart technologies that in smart cities they are supposed to, among other
things, increase traffic capacity, to better manage parking spaces… – Yes, exactly, but on one hand we have
the good of people, what they really need, and on the other hand
we have technology. Technology is just technology. If it is used improperly, it can
actually result in thousands of cars. The question is: don’t we,
humans, need something else? I have a car but it stays in
the garage when I’m in town. I usually use it only when
I’m going out of town. In the city I travel by train or by bike.
I really try to. Alone or with my family. I can do it. It’s actually faster.
– I also came here by bike today. – It is possible,
but it requires some discipline. I’ve been practicing this habit
for about a year and a half. Previously,
I was a hard user of a car. I also have read about a
project in New York, where city administration urged people to
switch from cars to public transport. Of course the public transport must be
accessible, of good quality, not crowded, etc. It would be great if it was well
communicated, punctual, with the possibility of buying a ticket online,
which fortunately works in Poland. It’s not a problem anymore. This is one example
of smartness. Second example of city smartness is
what concerns healthcare development. We have public and
private healthcare. However, now,
because of social changes, that is to say the number of people
50+, 60+ will increase, local governments are aware of this and
are looking for solutions, designing solutions that will be
able to support those elderly people. You are thinking, for example,
of a digital employee who we have already talked about in one
of the episodes on smart medicine. Is that what you’ve meant? – Yes,
exactly. Wristbands that track many… – Or even simpler solutions, that are
already implemented in Wrocław, I suppose, for elderly people, if there is a transportation
needed, to the doctor’s office etc. the city organises the cab
ride and it is highly automated. The person doesn’t have
to call and ask for a ride but if he or she is registered,
it can be organised. – But you know,
in Łódź we also have similar project. We have “Łódź –
city of telecare”. The elderly person equipped
with a smart wristband is being monitored – basic vital
parameters are being tracked. If any fainting or any
other health issues happen, the information immediately reaches the
centre that takes care of this person. I guess that’s a good example
of how the technology develops. It’s a great example of improving the
quality of life of the inhabitants. Let’s talk about what
your company does. How do you participate in the smart
world and what do you contribute to it? I’ll give an example from Sweden.
It will also concern healthcare, because it’s very
important in my opinion. I hope one day it
will happen in Poland. We’ve created a solution for one of the
counties. The project is called MovereX. It works with wristbands and the idea
is to prescribe excercise to patients. The patient comes to the doctor,
who determines the exercise heart rate and then gives a
wristband to the patient. Patient’s task is to move
at the same rate for some time every day. All excercise is being
reported to the system. – So it forces him to be active.
– Yes, it forces him to be active. It’s not pills,
it’s being active that gives one health. Once again – a better
quality of life. – Instead of “take the pill, take the
pill” we have “move, move, move” reminder. – Yes, exactly!
This is the right direction. We operate in the world of the UN’s goals
for sustainability, sustainable economy. Growth and development is
key in Nordic countries. In Poland, I can see that such elements are
also appearing. There’s more understanding. But we still have a lot
of education ahead of us. A few more examples
of what we do… We are experts in new technologies and help our
clients to digitise their services, products. But all the time we keep in mind
sustainable goals and we look for not only financial results, but also additional
value for people and the environment. This is what we do. However, if we are constantly digitising a
large number of services and products and have more and more
sensors and cameras around us, are we not losing our privacy at the same
time? Isn’t it the excessive surveillance? Isn’t it excessive
behavioural scoring? How to find a balance between the person’s
needs and technology we take use of? – We all have watched “Black Mirror” or
“Minority report”, the movies that scared us. The fact is that Google already knows
everything or almost everything about us. This is probably unavoidable. Although trends such as digital
minimalism are emerging. People actually stop
using their phones, but it’s probably impossible or very
difficult, unless you leave to Bieszczady, or they eliminate the number of apps,
leaving only those that are actually needed. – One can always go back to using old
Nokia, which only supports phone calls. – But look, it’s something you mentioned
earlier: a change in our habits. If I don’t consciously walk away from something,
I don’t think there is any other way. – This is the key: maturity
of societies and our maturity. It’s very easy to get lost. The number of technologies that
we can surround ourselves with may cause disorder similar to ADHD in
everyone and then it requires long treatment. Balance is the most
important thing. I will leave the topic of smart
city and go to smart workplace. There’s a lot going on
here, too. In modern workplaces and buildings I notice
the trend that start-ups have brought along with co-creative
spaces, like shared desks, so that each day I sit
down at different desk or I rent ,
I can book myself an office room. – So-called co-working.
– Yes, a co-working. It occurs in ordinary office
buildings more and more often. We have worked a lot with
companies that are industry leaders, and it slowly becomes the norm,
at least in new office buildings. Through an app you can
reserve a space, a desk or a locker for clothes
when you come by bike. You can reserve a room and while entering
it, you can set up the air-conditioning, all that can be done with a phone,
you can also matt the windows, if you need it for some reason. There are many
similar solutions. Another trend is
zero-energy buildings. They are truly self-sufficient. In Poland, we have already gone through
the stage of building insulation. There’s still little
smartness in the buildings, as these systems are quite expensive
and one have to look far to the future. In Europe and in the world heating
up the buildings is not a problem anymore. It will probably happen
in Poland one day, too. There is a problem with
cooling the buildings. The question is, because there are
many experiments with smartness, whether to use for cooling the
typical technologies we already know, the energy-intensive ones,
or the more sustainable, e.g. green walls. – We’ve talked about what
is going on in the world and a little bit about
what is going on in Łódź. We looked at everything from
a technological point of view, but we hopefully did not
forget about human perspective. – No,
we can’t forget about human. Although one can talk about
a human infinitely, too. I think we have to go
back to this topic, very soon! Maybe in few weeks or few
months, so as to complete our reflections,
because they are fascinating. Maybe something interesting
will happen during that time. You both go to all kinds of meetings,
shows, exhibitions, events, conferences… I’m sure you’ll be familiar
with some interesting news. We must end our
conversation for today. I wish we could
continue with it. We create a program about different smart
technologies, about how they look like and about human in
relation with them. Thank you very much. – Thank you. SPECIAL THANKS TO: UNIVERISTY OF

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