Sadhguru – If you want to survive in human society


It’s In the last twenty years I’ve been particularly focusing on global
business leaders including many of the top and variety of businesses in India. Why this is because the traditional, so-called spiritual always is skeptical about
this – “Why should a spiritual leader be talking
to business leaders? Be in business meetings? Be in Economic Forums and those kind of summits?” See, we must understand this, today and for always – it’s just people who live of calendars and
slogans they don’t understand this – otherwise, the success of a nation is not
in the success of its politics, not in the success of its… even its armies but it’s always in the success of its commerce
and its business. In which nation the businesses are doing really
well that nation is doing well. There’s no question about it. So when this is the reality of our existence
– There was a time two-hundred-and-fifty years
ago when everybody wanted to come to India risking
their life. You know, all the European expeditions, don’t think they came here because they
were in love with us. Because this was the richest nation so everybody wanted to come here. But today, if western nations open up their visas, seventy percent of Indians will swim across
the oceans and get there. Why? Because their businesses are successful, ours are not as successful as they should
be – essentially it’s that. So, business is not a bad word, in my understanding
of life. Business essentially means it’s a transaction where both the parties
benefit. And in my experience of life whatever kind of transactions we have whether they’re transactions of market place
or marriage both the parties should benefit otherwise
it will not sustain. Yes? So business is not a bad word at all for me. The business also had this resistance. In 2006 or 2005 – don’t remember the years – when I first went to World Economic Forum, people were almost resentful, “What is a mystic doing in a Economic Forum?” So this one person who spoke to me in a very not so business like language, said, “What are you doing here?” I said, “What’s your business?” He said, “We are the third largest computer
making company.” Well, very proudly he said. Three months later they were taken over by
the Chinese. I said, “See, it doesn’t matter whether
you make computers or safety pins or space crafts or cars. It doesn’t matter what you make, essentially the fundamental business is of
human well-being and that’s my business too. And that’s why I’m here. And that’s why you are here but you have forgotten your fundamental business. You gotten up in the process of your quarterly
balance sheets and you’ve forgotten why the hell you’re
doing this business. Every business that you do is essentially
for human well-being, isn’t it? Your idea of humanity may be just you unfortunately, or just you and your family, or just you and your community, or your idea of humanity may be the entire
world. The question is only of scale of understanding. But essentially, every business that we are
doing in this planet is for human well-being. So such an important business must be conducted
in the right way. When I say must be conducted in the right
way, essentially, any activity that we do is it inclusive or is it exclusive, that’s the main question. So, my effort has been to make the businesses
as inclusive as possible. In that particular Forum, I coined this word
Inclusive Economics. This is bouncing all over the world including the Prime Ministers have been using
this word now. Inclusive Economics, because economy has to be inclusive otherwise
economy or the process of economics becomes an exploitative process where the corrections will happen in brutal
ways later on. Whatever you have seen in the last two centuries
as revolutions is just actually economics becoming exclusive and corrections happening in brutal ways on
the street. If you don’t want that kind of corrections
to happen, it is very important that you run the business
in an inclusive manner. So that’s been my effort essentially. Interviewer (Swaminathan): Thank you, Sadhguru. My next question is on Chennai flood which
we witnessed in December 2015. Sadhguru: Chennai? Interviewer (Swaminathan): Chennai floods. Sadhguru: Oh! You are talking like Noah (Laughs). Interviewer (Swaminathan): So almost two-hundred-and-eighty
people lost their lives, almost three million people were cut off from
basic amenities. The heavy rainfall crossed around three crores
worth damages. I’m not sure if Chennai or Tami Nadu is
prepared to face another situation in the near future. What needs to be done Sadhguru? Sadhguru: We don’t know how to handle a
blessing, that’s a whole problem (Laughs). When water is something that is super scarce
in the country, but we built cities which are not capable
of handling even the normal monsoon rains, tch, not when a cyclonic storm happen, that’s
different, that’s an unusual level of water. When a tsunami came you can’t handle the
water, that’s a different matter, you can’t be prepared for that. But a normal monsoon we are not able to handle
in most of the cities, whether you see Mumbai, Mumbai is every year flood, Chennai only once it happened, but it will come to you also because there
is simply no planning. We are just building cities like shacks all
over the place whichever way we like without understanding the topography – nobody ever built a city even in ancient times without considering the topography of the
place. But today, we are such brilliant engineers, we have built things without considering the
topography. We have built bridges and roads all across
the country without considering the topographical issues, as if you can fix it – you can’t fix it. The flow of water and many other aspects of soil dynamics and other things are very topographically
decisive. So, without considering the topographic aspects we are just building cities. One building at a time, our plan is only one building at a time sanctioned. The entire plan, nobody knows where is that
plan. So, there is no way we can rip off the city and again put it back, not possible, we are not ready to do that, we have to make
corrections. Corrections could be painful for a few people
– which we must do. I think some corrections were done, people who are living in the riverbed, you
know, they’ve built in the riverbed, but it’s their home. When you demolish this home, it looks very
cruel because there’s a family living there and they’re suddenly out on the street. But if you want long term well-being some
hard steps are needed, we should be willing to go through some pain if we want long term well-being. If we don’t do those things, we will live like… very, you know, “for the day” kind of people. Again when it rains or when it floods or when it something happens, we will always have problems. Now, our problem is not a flood, Chennai has only fifty percent of the water
that it needs right now. They are saying by 2030, you will have only
twenty-two to twenty-five percent of water that you need – that is what you need to bother about, not really flood. But, flood was a very artificial situation
in my opinion. I know many people will be angered by this, the administration will be angered by this, but in my opinion this was a very artificial
flood, lot of wrong things being done. It should not rain? (Laughs) You want rain or no rain? Or you Did you come up in the nursery rhymes of “Rain
rain go away” or… (Few laugh)? No, we want rain in this country, this is a tropical nation which receives only forty to forty-five days of average rain in
the… in the year, we want as much rain as possible. Only thing is, we have to build capacity to see how the rain water goes down into the
soil, not flowing into your home. This needs some planning, this needs some correction. Corrections will look cruel when you do it but later on citizenry will enjoy that, the city will be good place to live but, they will be painful when we do it. Interviewer (Bramarambika): Sadhguru, right in those lines you were talking about asking people to change the places in which
they live. So, how can we make them think about the society? Many of the people are selfish, they think about themselves. So, how can we make them see that it is harming
another person, how can we make them see that we have to do
good to the society? Sadhguru: See, it’s not about doing good
to the society, you must understand – there is no such thing
as society, there are only human beings, together, we call them a society. If we have to live in a place, if you want to live by your own rules, you must withdraw to the mountains and live
by your own rules, but you can’t live by your own rules in
nature. There, there are other creatures, animals, you have to follow their rules if you want
to survive. So, if you want to survive in a human society, you have to follow those rules which are inclusive
and beneficial to all, otherwise you become unfit to live in a human
society. If you go to the jungle, you must understand when the tiger is prowling, you must sit on a tree. If you walk in front of him like this (Gestures) then you become breakfast. So, wherever you go there are rules, if you want to play the game there is a rule. So, to live in a city there are rules. If we don’t understand this, then we become unfit to live in human societies, especially, when the society has a concentrated
population, everybody has to follow the rules, otherwise every little thing that we do harms
somebody else. So, we need to understand this, this sense of living in closed proximity is a certain challenge. And our cities are very closely packed people. So, how we walk, how we breathe, how we drive, how we throw our garbage, how we use water, everything needs to be calibrated carefully otherwise nobody can live properly here. Because of population pressure and poverty and variety of other stresses that people
are going through, they try to find shortcuts, that is how it is everywhere believe me – people are like this. This is why we must become a law abiding nation. Right now, even with the rivers this is what I am trying to do, everybody
wants to do things out of their emotion, this is a nation which runs on people’s
emotion. Anything you say, they want to get into action
today. Wherever I go this Rally for Rivers, “Sadhguru, we will plant trees tomorrow,” I said, “You are not going to plant a single
tree, just shut up and give a missed call” (Few
laugh). Because there’ll what is lacking in the country is a strategy. Emotionally we do things and it dies down
after three days. We have to approach our problems strategically. Right now, Chennai flood as an example – topographical maps are there, all right? If you just see it, we know which are the areas which we’ll
have to go. Now, they are not willing to go, so if they are not willing to go, we have to do much more engineering of laying
underground pipes and doing things, all this stuff. If this we have to do there’s a cost involved. If this we have to do – if we don’t dig out your house, at least may be we have to dig your garden. You must be ready for that. If you are not ready for that, there must
be a law which will anyway do it. But now, if you have to make a law like that, we should not have people who are very nervous about winning the next election or winning the next vote… confidence vote, they can’t make these laws. They cannot enforce these laws. There must be leadership, which is willing
to do what is needed for the long term well-being of the city and
the people. This needs some courage and commitment to
execute what needs to be executed.

3 thoughts on “Sadhguru – If you want to survive in human society

  1. HUmans do not have to sur vive, they have to "vive". Surivive is made of two words Sur french and vive latin. or" on live". meaning living on each other. in other words some sick people want to get energy from other people .NO This is definitely not a way of life. we must be and think separately.
    Business has become a bad word because it encourages competition and competition is not good . it results in waste, theft , and human values. A society must produce in a planned thoughtful manner whatever the people need and is beneficial to them. nowadays we can see that everybody can have a business and they can produce anything they want even if it is not beneficial to the health of the societies. like for example India produces thousands of movies per year. Is this beneficial????? No, it is not.It encourages people to become spectators and not participants to the society. the success of a society is measured by the state of the health and vigor of the society by the natural movement of the generations.

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