Recap of Mavrick Fisher’s preliminary hearing for murder of Grant Whitaker


I will show you video clips
of the preliminary hearing at the Lake County Courthouse
on October 23. The case is named People
of the State of California vs Mavrick William Fisher. The purpose of this hearing
is for the judge to see what evidence there is for
Mavrick’s four criminal counts: premeditated murder
of Grant Whitaker, assault with a deadly
weapon (a rock) with a special allegation of
inflicting great bodily harm, removing and keeping possession a 2011 Chevrolet Impala
from a dead body, and grand theft auto. Thomas Feimer is
Mavrick’s public defender. The prosecutor is District
Attorney Susan Krones. The judge is Michael S. Lunas. On Wednesday, there was a lot
of new information and evidence that was presented in
verbal testimony from Sheriff Wesley Besgrove and Detective Richard Kreutzer. Both are from the
Lake County Sheriff’s Office. I will give you a summary
and then show you clips of the testimony. The murder was on Tuesday,
August 20 in the early morning at Richardson Grove
State Park in Humboldt County. Grant and Mavrick were camping
out at lot #80 in a tent. Mavrick allegedly used
a rock to kill Grant, then wrapped his body in
a sleeping bag and placed it in a 2011 Chevrolet Impala
that Grant borrowed from his grandmother Pam Theirry, then drove to
a large ranch owned by Lee McCarrell in Lake County. He parked the Impala
on Lee’s ranch and told him that he would do repairs on the car. The body was apparently
in the vehicle without Lee’s knowledge. Mavrick had a cut on his
right hand on his pinky finger. Mavrick told Lee that he got
the cut from repairing the car. But later on,
he said the cut was from Grant trying to stab him. That was Mavrick’s main
statement of self-defense by accusing Grant of
trying to stab him, which was the reason
why he hit Grant with a rock. On Friday, August 23, Mavrick
asked Lee to borrow his ATV so he could clean out the car. Mavrick then apparently removed
Grant’s body from the car, placed it on the ATV,
drove it to a remote site, and left it there. After this, Mavrick left Lee’s
ranch by driving the Impala to a site near Dollar General
in Clearlake Oaks, where he abandoned the car. Mavrick met with a friend of
his named Michael Fucci. They went to a police station to
report that Mavrick was stabbed at Humboldt County, but it seems like nothing
happened afterwards. On Saturday,
August 24, Mavrick made his way down to Mexico on
a Greyhound bus. On that same day,
Grant’s grandmother Pam Thierry filed a mission person’s report
in Tazewell County, Illinois. She lives there and
Grant is from Illinois as well. On Monday, Mavrick was
detained in Mexico. He was brought over to
a jail in San Diego. Detective Kreutzer flew there to
do his first interview with him. The next day,
on Tuesday, August 27, Mavrick was extradited
to Lake County and Kreutzer did a second
interview with Mavrick. It was filmed. Besgroves: I saw many dead flies
on the car dashboard. I also saw live flies flying around. I saw blood on the front seat
and also on the console and the back seat as well. Krones: When you opened
the door, what did you notice? Besgroves: I noticed a strong
scent of a dead person inside. Besgrove: I saw that
on the rear seat’s floor, there was decomposing
blood and wet blood. I also saw maggots. Krones: Did you find any kind
of ID belonging to Grant? Besgrove: Yes. I did find a
California ID card for Grant and papers with
his name on it. Feimer: Did you find
a knife in the car? Besgrove: Yes. Feimer: Where exactly
did you find the knife? Besgrove: On the door
compartment on the driver’s seat. Feimer: Can you describe
what the knife looked like? Besgrove: It was
metallic in color, similar to what you
would find in a kitchen. Feimer: How long
was the blade? Besgrove: Three to four inches. Feimer: Did the knife
have blood on it? Besgrove: Yes, a small amount. Feimer: Did the blood on
the knife get tested? Besgrove: I don’t know. That was not a part
of my investigation. Kreutzer: That time I was
focused on getting a cellphone. Someone told me there was one. Krones: Where did you
find the cellphone? Kreutzer: I found it in
the glove compartment. Krones: Did you figure out
who owned the phone? Kreutzer: No,
unfortunately I couldn’t. The iPhone was “locked.” The Sheriff’s Office doesn’t
have the technology to bypass Apple’s
operating system security. Krones: What did he (Lee)
say to you about how he knew Grant and Mavrick? Kreutzer: He said he knew
both from prior experiences where Grant and Mavrick
went on the property to do varying work
for Mr. McCarrell. Krones: Did he say that
he had any problems with either Mr. Whitaker
or Mr. Fisher? Kreutzer: Yes. He did. He said previously he had
some concerns about Mr. Whitaker, who he… I can’t quote him exactly,
but I got the impression that he had a hot temper. He was asked to not come back
on (Lee)’s property, I believe, in May
2019 of this year. Krones: Did Mr. McCarrell say
he recently saw Mr. Fisher? Kreutzer: Yes, he did. Krones: When did
he see Mr. Fisher? Kreutzer: He saw him on
August 20th and he told me he saw him again
for the next few days up to Friday evening of that week. Krones: Did Mr. Fisher
arrive on the 20th? Kreutzer: Yes. Krones: How he get there? Kreutzer: Lee said he drove
and then left the car near the temporary building
I talked about before. (Lee said) Mavrick was
working on the car and got a cut during the week,
I think on the 20th to the 23rd. He told me that this
information changed later, that Mavrick said
he was with Grant and there was a fight
in Humboldt County. He told me the fight
became very physical and that’s how Mavrick got
the cut, from the incident. Krones: Where was the cut? Kreutzer: On his right hand
on his pinky finger. Krones: Did Mavrick tell
McCarrell whether Grant was dead or alive?
Did he tell him this? Kreutzer: Oh yes, thank you. As far as I understand, Mr. McCarrell got
a text from Mavrick on where Grant’s body
was left behind, but that he was not informed
until Saturday morning, when Mavrick
had already left. Kreutzer: I believe he borrowed
the ATV on Friday afternoon. Krones: Did Mavrick tell
McCarrell why he wanted to borrow the ATV? Kreutzer: He told him
that he wanted the ATV to drive to the car
and clean it up for some unknown reason. Krones: Did McCarrell say
whether he went with Mavrick to help with
the ATV? Kreutzer: He said he did not
go with him to help him with the ATV. Krones: You said you got
information from Mavrick on where Grant’s body
was left behind? Kreutzer: Yes, that’s right. Krones: Did he say
when he got this information? Kreutzer: He was informed
on Saturday morning. Krones: Was Mavrick still
around at that time? Kreutzer: No.
The text said, “First, open the gate
when you go in Lee’s ranch. Go past
the yellow gate. Then go to the fork in
the road to Lee’s ranch. Go to the blue gate
and follow the road to the blue gate
but don’t go through it. You will see a hill behind it. Look at the blue gate,
go up the hill, and you will see
branches on the floor. Keep on driving until you see
a hill on the right side. You have to use the 4×4. The body is 10 meters
on the left side. Krones: Did you search
Mr. McCarrell’s property to find Grant’s body? Kreutzer: Yes. I followed the
directions I got from the text. I followed it and went
through the yellow gate, then to the blue gate, and we were able
to find the hill that the text spoke about. We did have to use a 4×4
and we were ultimately able to find a human body
approximately 9:41 that morning. Krones: Was his body wrapped up? Kreutzer: Yes. It was wrapped
in a blue sleeping bag. Krones: According to the doctor,
what was his physical findings? Kreutzer: It was determined that
the cause of death was homicide using blunt force
to the head and face. Based on what I remember
from observing the autopsy, it was on the left
temporal lobe. (The doctor) said that excessive
force was used to the point that the strikes went
through his skull to the base of his brain. Kreutzer: Mavrick said
on the tent, there was one side
with a zipper. Mavrick he was on
the side near the zipper. Grant’s sleeping bag was
on the opposite side. Krones: Did Mavrick say
anything about preventing the tent from
blowing away? Kreutzer: Yes, Mavrick said
they used four rocks that were placed on
four corners to keep it down. Krones: Did he say whether
the rocks were inside or outside of the tent? Kreutzer: Mavrick said
the rocks were on the outside of the tent. Mavrick said that approximately
1:00 in the morning on Tuesday,
August 20th, he couldn’t sleep and
was watching Grant outside. He was still upset because they
had an argument on that day. Mavrick told me that Grant
came in the tent and for about 30 seconds
he was staring intensely at Mavrick as he was lying down
to sleep near the zipper. Krones: Did Mavrick
say it was dark in the tent? Kreutzer: Yes,
he said it was dark, but he could see
a figure of a body and he knew
it was Grant’s body shape that was standing there. Grant was staring at him
and he was holding a knife and raised it near him. Mavrick said with
his right hand, he grabbed on Grant’s hand
with the knife and realized that he was cut. Mavrick said he wrestled
Grant’s hand away and both fell on the floor,
then Mavrick grabbed a rock, and that it happened so fast, he used the rock to strike Grant
and he was knocked out. Then Mavrick struck him
about two more times. Krones: Did he say anything
about his emotions? Kreutzer: I don’t remember
if he said anything about his emotions or
feelings at that time. He put Grant’s body
in Mavrick’s sleeping bag. That bag was
a mummy bag that you could tie at
the top above the head. Grant did not have that
kind of sleeping bag, so Mavrick used his bag to put
Grant’s body and closed it. He then gathered everything
and took down the tent and everything and put it
in the 2011 Chevrolet Impala and drove straight to
Mr. Lee McCarrell’s ranch. Mavrick said
when he grabbed Grant’s hand, he did not see a knife, but felt the cut and
realized Grant had a knife. And he did not see it
until he was cleaning up the area and car and found
the knife on the tent floor. He said after he grabbed Grant’s
hand and wrestled it down, Mavrick was halfway inside
and outside of the tent. He said he was
able to grab a rock from outside and
used it to strike Grant. Krones: Did Mavrick say
anything about how he was stronger compared to Grant? Kreutzer: Yes. (He said)
because Grant was weak, I was able to overpower him. Krones: What did
Mavrick say happened when he got to
McCarrell’s property? Kreutzer: He said
when he got to the property, he went to the front gates
about 4 in the morning. He slept for five hours
until about 9 in the morning when the gates
were opened. Krones: Did Mavrick explain
about dumping Grant’s body? Kreutzer: To me? Krones: Yes. What did he say? Kreutzer: When I showed him
the printout of his texts with the information
and Mavrick confirmed that he typed
the message. I told him that
we found Grant’s body and we also
found the car. Mavrick responded
by saying, “Oh! Already?” Mavrick told me that he dumped
the body by himself, that nobody
helped him. Kreutzer: He was with
Michael Fucci and left Lake County on
Friday evening to go to Mr. Fucci’s home
somewhere in Sacramento, I’m not sure. Later on, Mavrick left
from Fucci’s home and the U.S. to go to
Mexico, in Tijuana. Krones: Did Mavrick say
why he went to Mexico? Kreutzer: Yes he did. Through our investigation
of text messages that I got from a man named Scotty Jackson, those text messages showed
Mavrick taking a selfie in front of a sign
that said, “Mexico.” I brought the picture
with me and other things for our interview
in San Diego. It seemed like
from that picture that Mavrick
was smiling. He said he knew what
I was talking about, that he did take a selfie. I asked him
why he was smiling. He replied that he felt
he was in a safe zone, that he felt secure. That’s why he was smiling. Krones: Did he share
what he felt secure from? Kreutzer: His response was
specifically about the incident with Mr. Whitaker. He said during the
interview that he knew there were prior instances
of some innocent people going to jail and
he was concerned that it would happen to him. Krones: Did Mavrick say he had
conversations with other people while in Mexico by texting
or other social media? Kreutzer: Yes. He confirmed that he had
texts with Scotty Jackson and communication with
his girlfriend, Emily. Krones: Did he say anything
about where the rocks were in the tent? Kreutzer: Yes. Krones: What was his response
in the second interview? Kreutzer: He explained
that the rocks were at the four corners,
but inside of the tent. Krones: Did he say anything else
about what was different from his first statements
in Southern California? Kreutzer: I can’t remember if
there was anything different at this point, however we had
an unique opportunity during the second interview, we were able
to film our session. Krones: Did he say
anything about how he felt, about his emotions
after the first rock strike? Kreutzer: Yes, he did respond.
He was angry. I’m trying to remember his exact
words, he said “I saw red.” Feimer: Did you know if Mavrick,
during the second interview, indicated if he preferred using
a laptop over an interpreter? Kreutzer: Yes, I remember
him saying that. Feimer: Do you remember
Mavrick saying the interpreter in San Diego was
not a “five-star interpreter?” Kreutzer: Yes, that is right. Feimer: Do you feel that
she (the interpreter) struggled to understand him
during the interview? Kreutzer: A few, or a couple
times. I don’t remember. Feimer: Mr. Fucci and Mavrick
made some type of report to the Lake County
Sheriff’s Department? Kreutzer: I found out from
Mavrick and the Lakeport Police that someone did go to
the police department that Friday night to tell them
that there was an altercation on Friday night in
Humboldt County. Feimer: Is it true that it was
not reported as a murder, right? Kreutzer: Can you repeat that? Feimer: It is true that there
was no murder that night, right? Kreutzer: That’s right. Feimer: Mr. Fucci was
told to report it to the Humboldt County? Kreutzer: Yes, the Lakeport
Police Department told him to do that. Feimer: When Mavrick
had his first encounter with Mexican authorities, he was the one who
first approached them, right? Kreutzer: That’s
what he told me. Feimer: When he was talking
with them (Mexican police), they found out that he was
“WANTED” in the U.S., right? Kreutzer: I believe
that is right. Feimer: Then the Mexican
police detained him and brought him to
American authorities right? Kreutzer: That’s right. Kreutzer: What I found out
from my interview with Mavrick was that
there was an argument because they couldn’t
work together to develop a farming community that
they wanted to develop. Feimer: Did Mavrick tell you
that the altercation became physical in any way? Kreutzer: I can’t
remember that, no. Feimer: However, he did tell you
that on that day, the incident, that he was suspicious of
Grant’s behavior, is that right? Kreutzer: Yes,
that is right. Feimer: Also, Mavrick was
sleeping with one eye open to keep watch, right? Kreutzer: Yes,
that is right. Feimer: I have no
more questions. Krones: Did Mavrick tell you
at some point on how much stronger
he was than Grant? Kreutzer: Yes, he said that
Grant was weak and it was easy for him
to overpower him. Krones: I have no
more questions. Feimer: For first degree
homicide, which is willful, deliberate, and
premeditated murder, I would argue that
there is no evidence within the record
to support that idea. What we have is statements
where two people were alone when it happened. Related to the second count,
the assault, again I would argue that it’s
the same as the first count, it seems to be
out of self-defense. Krones: The fact that
the defendant acted after the death is not consistent
with self-defense. Because he did not seek
for any help for Grant. He fled with the body. There is nothing to show
for his statements that Grant came up
to him with a knife. There is no evidence
to support that. The evidence is consistent
with Grant coming in to his sleeping bag
while Mavrick was angry from the argument, then Mavrick struck a rock
on him several times. With the force he used, it would be hard for him
to maintain his balance while hitting him
with that much force if Grant was standing up. I think you can use
your common sense. Judge Lunas: The court finds
that there is sufficient evidence for counts
one, two, and four. Not the third one. We’ll have to hold
on the third one. Okay, we’re finished. The judge said that
the third count of taking a valuable object
from a dead body would not be included
because it was not clear based on the evidence that
Mavrick intended to use the car for his personal use
and benefit. So the third one did
not go forward. The judge ordered a trial. It is not known exactly
when it will start. Mavrick will have
a second arraignment hearing on November 5. In California, there are two
arraignment hearings. The first must happen shortly
after a person is arrested. The second is after
the preliminary hearing if the defendant is
ordered to stand trial. It appears that Mavrick
and his attorney will plead not guilty again
on November 5th. The prosecutor,
District Attorney Krones, has indicated
she will seek to convict Mavrick with premeditated murder. Captioned by
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15 thoughts on “Recap of Mavrick Fisher’s preliminary hearing for murder of Grant Whitaker

  1. I will show you video clips of the preliminary hearing at the Lake County Courthouse on October 23.

    The case is named People of the State of California vs Mavrick William Fisher.

    The purpose of this hearing is for the judge to see what evidence there is for Mavrick’s four criminal counts: premeditated murder of Grant Whitaker, assault with a deadly weapon (a rock) with a special allegation of inflicting great bodily harm, removing and keeping possession a 2011 Chevrolet Impala from a dead body, and grand theft auto.

    Thomas Feimer is Mavrick’s public defender. The prosecutor is District Attorney Susan Krones. The judge is Michael S. Lunas.

    On Wednesday, there was a lot of new information and evidence that was presented in verbal testimony from Sheriff Wesley Besgrove and Detective Richard Kreutzer. Both are from the Lake County Sheriff’s Office.

    I will give you a summary and then show you clips of the testimony.

    The murder was on Tuesday, August 20 in the early morning at Richardson Grove State Park in Humboldt County. Grant and Mavrick were camping out at lot #80 in a tent. Mavrick allegedly used a rock to kill Grant, then wrapped his body in a sleeping bag and placed it in a 2011 Chevrolet Impala that Grant borrowed from his grandmother Pam Theirry, then drove to a large ranch owned by Lee McCarrell in Lake County.

    He parked the Impala on Lee’s ranch and told him that he would do repairs on the car. The body was apparently in the vehicle without Lee’s knowledge.

    Mavrick had a cut on his right hand on his pinky finger. Mavrick told Lee that he got the cut from repairing the car. But later on, he said the cut was from Grant trying to stab him. That was Mavrick’s main statement of self-defense by accusing Grant of trying to stab him, which was the reason why he hit Grant with a rock.

    On Friday, August 23, Mavrick asked Lee to borrow his ATV so he could clean out the car. Mavrick then apparently removed Grant’s body from the car, placed it on the ATV, drove it to a remote site, and left it there. After this, Mavrick left Lee’s ranch by driving the Impala to a site near Dollar General in Clearlake Oaks, where he abandoned the car.

    Mavrick met with a friend of his named Michael Fucci. They went to a police station to report that Mavrick was stabbed at Humboldt County, but it seems like nothing happened afterwards.

    On Saturday, August 24, Mavrick made his way down to Mexico on a Greyhound bus. On that same day, Grant’s grandmother Pam Thierry filed a mission person’s report in Tazewell County, Illinois. She lives there and Grant is from Illinois as well.

    TEXT: Grant's car was found by police on Saturday, August 24. On Sunday, August 25, police were told that Grant's body was located on Lee McCarrell's ranch.]

    On Monday, Mavrick was detained in Mexico. He was brought over to a jail in San Diego. Detective Kreutzer flew there to do his first interview with him.

    The next day, on Tuesday, August 27, Mavrick was extradited to Lake County and Kreutzer did a second interview with Mavrick. It was filmed.
    TEXT: Deputy Sheriff Wesley Besgrove was one of the first officers to inspect the abandoned 2011 Chevrolet Impala.

    He describes what he found on the vehicle to District Attorney Krones.

    Besgrove: I saw that on the rear seat’s floor, there was decomposing blood and wet blood. I also saw maggots.

    Krones: Did you find any kind of ID belonging to Grant?

    Besgrove: Yes. I did find a California ID card for Grant and papers with his name on it.

  2. Funny how the rocks was outside, but yet grant was inside the tent and Fisher grabbed a rock and killed him all while inside the tent? Story don’t add up, rocks outside, but how rock inside??

  3. Thank you for sharing your ASL News. I think so he is cover-up his truth. It look-like Cain killed his brother Abel. God asked Cain where is his brother? He responded God that he do not know where is he? God already know him.

  4. In my acknowledgement that Mavick’s heart seem strange because of Grant’s possessions and escaped to Mexico. He seems that he didn’t fear for his life and strong compassion. I believe the story in what he said may be lie. Find out next month! This is the first time I ever seen a deaf person committed murder like this. Just like O.J. Simpson’s trail.

  5. They should test the knife and blood. It should have the DNA on it. If it has Grant's DNA on the knife and Maverick's blood means Grant started first. If none of those, then Maverick is guilty.

  6. Think Mav cut his hand by rock while he used it to killed grant… just do DNA test on knife and rock as it will reveal & determines the true side of story of grant’s death also (maybe it’s too late unless they done it!) check his finger got “clean” cut (by knife) or rough cut (by rock)… if not then healed scar won’t tell us anything(!) 😕

    So many questions to find the truth but I know we all won’t know the truth as an see that Mav continues tell us porky stories…

    One thing doesn’t make any sense that Mav said he’s much stronger than grant so he can disarm him and give him a good beat instead killed him… which it tells us that he killed grant while he’s asleep or didn’t see him approach to him before hit his head with rock!
    If mav stick to his story to the end of murder trial then he can enjoying free three hots and pen for life in gaol!

    I know why Mav smirks cos he say daily moth filmed him in the court and knew it will be all over in social media: THAT attentions he always desires…

    It’s like “DEAF” making a murderer which it got so many unanswered questions that police failed to investigate on first 72 hours (!)

  7. Hey, The Daily Moth!!!! Please cover the news on my deaf friend, Nisha Chand! She is in trouble with legal issues over animal pet therapy at the ranch! https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/investigations/escaped-wallaby-leads-investigators-to-controversial-pet-ranch/63-2ffbc3b1-1d47-4f3d-a277-908ff3d369ee

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