Phoenix City Council Formal Meeting – June 6, 2018


>>Int. Mayor Williams: I’M GOING TO OFFICIALLY CALL THE ASSISTIVE HOUSING GOVERNANCE BOARD MEETING. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL]>>I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, MARCH 21st, 2018. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?>>MOTION –>>DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION?>>MOVE FOR APPROVAL.>>DO I HAVE A SECOND?>>SECOND.>>ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]>>MOTION CARRIES. WE NOW HAVE A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AND TO ADOPT THE PHOENIX PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY’S PROPOSED ASSET MANAGEMENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2018-19.>>I MOVE FOR THE MOTION.>>SECOND.>>ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]>>MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE NOW HAVE ITEM 5, ANOTHER RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPOINT AND ACCEPT UP TO 250 ADDITIONAL SECTION 8 MAINSTREAM VOUCHERS AND UP TO 100 ADDITIONAL SECTION 8 FAMILY UNIFICATION PROGRAM VOUCHERS FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. AND FURTHER AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTS NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE TO IMPLEMENT THE AWARD AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY TREASURER TO ACCEPT AND THE CITY CONTROLLER TO DISBURSE ALL FUNDS RELAYED TO THIS ITEM. DO I HAVE A MOTION?>>MOVE.>>I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]>>MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. RESOLUTION TO APPROVE UP — FOR APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ISSUE AN RFP TO CREATE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR SPECIAL POPULATIONS UTILIZING UP TO 100 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT PROJECT-BASED SECTION 8 HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS. FURTHER RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION. AND FURTHER RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE APROPOSERS. DO I HAVE A MOTION?>>I MOVE THE MOTION.>>SECOND.>>WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE THAT’S THE END OF THIS AGENDA. SO WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED. [GAVEL]>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE WILL NOW GO TO OUR FORMAL COUNCIL MEETING. ROLL CALL?>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: HERE.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: HERE.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: HERE.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: HERE.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: HERE.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: HERE.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: HERE. OUR INTERPRETER IS HERE. ARE YOU ALEX? ALEX TORREZ? DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF?>>(IN SPANISH).>>Int. Mayor Williams: THEY’RE GIVING ME INSTRUCTIONS IN CASE I’M MESSING UP THE FIRST TIME. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. THIS IS CITIZENS’ TIME, UP TO THREE MINUTES EACH. IF WE RUN OUT OF TIME FOR THE CARDS I HAVE RECEIVED, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PERIOD AT THE END OF THIS MEETING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINISH THE DIALOGUE, IF YOU HAVEN’T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY NOW. FIRST SPEAKER IS KIM BAKER.>>GOOD EVENING. I DO HAVE A DOCUMENT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT, THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS I SAID ONCE BEFORE, I’M NOT ALWAYS HERE WITH BAD NEWS, BUT TODAY I JUST FEEL LED TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE NEED CHANGE. ♪ O SAY CAN YOU SEE JESUS DIED FOR YOU AND ME ♪ ♪ WHAT SO PROUDLY WE HAILED AT HIS GLORIOUS RESURRECTION ♪ ♪ DEATH COULD NOT HOLD HIM DOWN WITH VICTORY HE IS CROWNED ♪ ♪ GIVING PROOF TO HIS CHURCH THAT HE IS STILL HERE ♪ ♪ HE WAS BEATEN ALL NIGHT LONG, GOD’S DESIRE IS TO MAKE US STRONG ♪ ♪ AND THROUGH HIS BLOODSHED WE CAN NOW LIVE FOREVER ♪ ♪ HAVING FAITH IN GOD’S SON YOU’LL EXPERIENCE VICTORY WON ♪ ♪ AS CREATION EASILY AWAITS FOR THE REVEALING OF GOD’S SON ♪ ♪ O WAIT AND YOU WILL SEE THE KINGDOM GLORY ♪ ♪ AND HIS KINGDOM COME ♪ ♪ HOME AT LAST HOME AT LAST ♪ ♪ WE ARE ONE ♪ THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. BEAUTIFUL. NEXT UP IS ADRIANNA GONZALEZ.>>FIRST I’D LIKE TO SAY WELCOME, MAYOR WILLIAMS. BUT AS A CITY COUNCIL YOU HAVE A LOT OF CULTURE OF VIOLENCE WITHIN THE PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT’S A VIOLENT UNACCOUNTABLE POLICE FORCE. PHOENIX POLICE ARE ON TRACK TO KILL MORE THAN THEY EVER HAVE IN ONE YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND ALL THAT IT IS JUNE 6. HOW MANY PHOENIX RESIDENTS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU MUST GET THE COURAGE TO ACT. YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING. YOUR INACTION IS SHOCKING. PHOENIX RESIDENTS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, ARE LITERALLY DYING AND YOU DO NOTHING. AFTER EVERY MURDER COMMITTED BY YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WE ARE LEFT TO HEAL WITH NO SUPPORT FROM YOU. WE ASK FOR A COMPENSATION FUND FOR THIS EXACT REASON. WE WISH WE DIDN’T HAVE SUCH A HORRIBLE EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS COMPENSATION FUND IS SO IMPORTANT. WE HAVE ASKED REPEATEDLY FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE ASK AGAIN TODAY, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW OUR ASK FALLS ON CLOSED EARS AND CLOSED HEARTS. ROBBIE BROWN AND HIS FAMILY DESERVE JUSTICE BUT THERE WILL BE NO JOE TUESDAY HAIR TODAY BECAUSE OF YOUR MORAL COWARDICE. OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICE VIOLENCE BUT THERE WILL BE NO ACCOUNTABILITY HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF POLITICAL WILL. PROVE US WRONG. INCLUDE A COMPENSATION FUND FOR OUR COMMUNITIES TO HEAL FROM THE VIOLENCE OF YOUR POLICE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: PAT VINT?>>HELLO THERE, SAL. WE’RE GOING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING TODAY. OKAY? ANYWAY, I’VE BEEN HERE MANY TIME. MY NAME IS JOSEPH PATRICK VINT, 8340 NORTH 16th STREET, RIGHT AT THE END OF 16th STREET AND BUTLER. SO ALL OF US HERE ARE NOT — WELL, LET’S SAY PICKED ON OR WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT EVERYBODY HAS A REASON FOR BEING HERE. SO I’M HOPING THAT MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL ARE ALL LISTENING BECAUSE I’M PUTTING OUT AN OLIVE BRANCH TODAY. ONE MONTH AGO WE GOT INVITED TO SAL DiCICCIO’S OFFICE AND HIS TWO DAUGHTERS ARE HERE TO SEE SO I’LL BE NICE TO YOU. ANYWAY, YOU DIDN’T SHOW UP, BUT YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF SAMUEL G. GARDNER STONE, HE’S MADE OF STONE, TRIED TO PUT ME OUT OF THE OFFICE BEFORE WE EVEN GOT STARTED, BUT WE SETTLED THAT DOWN. THEN ED ZUERCHER COME. WHAT A WONDERFUL GUY HE WAS THAT DAY. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM? ANYWAY, SINCE THAT MEETING WAS A MONTH AGO AND SAMUEL G. STONE AND ED ZUERCHER HEARD IT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO — THEY WERE GOING TO ANSWER US BACK WITHIN A WEEK OR 10 DAYS, AND DO YOU THINK THAT THAT’S CORRECT, THAT IT’S BEEN A MONTH THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD? WE DON’T CARE WHAT — WELL, WE DO CARE WHAT YOU SAY, BUT AT LEAST YOU COULD SAY “GO JUMP IN A RIVER,” OR WE’RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING OR NOT DO ANYTHING, BUT AT LEAST ANSWER PEOPLE. AND, THELDA, WHEN YOU SPEAK INTO THAT MIC, WOULD YOU SPEAK UP BECAUSE WE CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. I THINK MY VOICE IS CARRYING, AND YOU HAVE A VOICE, AND WE’RE VERY GOOD FRIENDS. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A NICE HUG UP THERE AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF –>>Int. Mayor Williams: DON’T TELL EVERYTHING YOU KNOW.>>WHAT DID SHE SAY? [LAUGHTER] ANYWAY — BOY, THANKS, THELDA. AND ED ZUERCHER — WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM? WELL, THERE HE IS. YOU’RE HIDING BEHIND THEM GLASSES. YOU WERE THERE. YOU HEARD THAT, ED. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE GETTING PAID A LOT OF MONEY. IT’S A WONDER THAT THERE IS ANY AFTER –>>Int. Mayor Williams: PLEASE DON’T INTERRUPT.>>WHAT?>>Int. Mayor Williams: I’M ASKING THE AUDIENCE NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU. GO AHEAD, PAT.>>THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYWAY, SAL, I GUESS IT SAYS UP THERE CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND THERE’S SOMETHING BELOW OR ABOVE THAT SAYS YOU DON’T NEED TO ANSWER OR YOU DON’T WANT TO ANSWER, BUT WOULD YOU SAY RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF YOUR TWO DAUGHTERS THERE THAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND THAT’S GREAT PLENTY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF DISTRICT 6 THAT JOHN AND MYSELF ARE BOTH IN. SO IT’S SIMPLE IF YOU WOULD JUST LISTEN AND LOOK UP THE WORD IN THE DICTIONARY “FIX,” F-I-X. VERY SIMPLE. THANKS, THELDA. BYE-BYE. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU, TOO. JOHN RUSINEK.>>OKAY. I GOT A MEMORANDUM HERE FROM PAUL LEE. IT SAYS ZONING ORDINANCE 702-B-2 AND CITY CODE SECTION 36-145 SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTS FAMILIES, RESIDENTIAL REAR YARDS FROM DUST PROOFING REGULATIONS. [INDISCERNIBLE] TO ISSUE A DUST-PROOFING — CITY STAFF HAS NO AUTHORITY TO ISSUE DUST-PROOFING VIOLATIONS IN OUR ORDINANCE. UNDER ARS 49-411 THE CITY MUST PROVIDE A DUST PROOFING REGULATION TO THE ANNUAL REPORT ON ADEQ. I DON’T BELIEVE WE RECEIVED A COMMENT FROM ADEQ. OKAY. I’M GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE. ON TOP IT READS: CITY CAN’T REGULATE LESS THAN STATE LAW, ONLY MORE. SUCH WAS WRITTEN ON A MEMORANDUM. SO I CAN SEE WHY THE CITY ISN’T DOING ANYTHING FOR MY PROPERTY. NOW, PAT VINT HAS GOT — HIS PROPERTY, HE’S GOT A LARGE — HE’S GOT AN ACRE OR MORE THAN AN ACRE, AND HE WAS THREATENED BY RAYMOND STEIN ON $2500 FINE OR SIX MONTHS IN JAIL. IT COST HIM $3,000 TO DUST-PROOF HIS LOT. NOT ONLY DID THEY DUST-PROOF HIS LOT, THEY USED THE WRONG GAVEL ON THERE. AND THAT’S WHERE HE IS TODAY. HOW CAN WE DO THIS? IT SAYS SO HERE. AND WHAT ABOUT 30-39, AN ORDINANCE WE HAVE THAT’S SUPPOSED TO COVER THIS DUST-PROOF. SO YOU TAKE THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU WANT, NOT THE ONES SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO DO THE JOB. SO I THINK WHAT YOU OUGHT DO IS DO SOMETHING. NOBODY EVER TOLD ME I COULDN’T — THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE DUST-PROOFED. AND THEN THEY USED HIM, USED ME AS THE BAD GUY. THE GUY NEXT DOOR SAID I WAS BOTHERING HIM WHEN THEY WERE DOING THINGS. I NEVER DID NOTHING. I TOOK PICTURES, AND I’VE GOT A HUNDRED PICTURES. I’VE GOT PICTURES THAT I COULD TAKE. I’M GOING TO BE DOING IT, AND THE CITY HAS NOT EVEN TALKED TO ME, ONE PERSON IS NOT EVEN SAID NOTHING TO ME. SAL, YOU OUGHT TO DO SOME — GET SOMETHING DONE ONCE IN A WHILE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ALANDRA SANCHEZ?>>HELLO. I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE TO RAISE OUR CONCERNS AND MAKE OUR DEMANDS WE WERE TOLD WE WERE PREACHING NONSENSE AND THAT WE WERE ATTACKING, YET YOU ARE THE ONES STILL SITTING HERE WHILE RABBI BROWN WAS SHOT DOWN BY YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHILE DOZENS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THAT BUS WERE — LIKE TESTIMONY, WERE WITNESSES TO THE POLICE SHOOTING, THE POLICE VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE OF YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT’S WHY — THE TRUST FUND, THE FUND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE TRAUMATIZATION BY YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NECESSARY. JUST ONE WEEK OF COMING TO ASK YOU GUYS, WEEKS, TO PROTECT US, THAT WE FOLLOWED YOUR PROCESS AND STILL NOTHING HAS COME FROM IT. WE SEE YOUR TRUE COLORS. WE ARE WATCHING YOU. COMMUNITY IS WATCHING YOU. AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO FAIL YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, IGNORE OUR DEMANDS, YOU ARE SIGNING OUR DEATH SENTENCES. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE. I THINK IT’S MARIA SANCHEZ.>>HELLO. WELCOME, MAYOR WILLIAMS. YOU HAVE ALLOWED A CULTURE OF VIOLENCE WITHIN THE PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT’S UNACCEPTABLE. ON MAY 29th ROBBIE BROWN WAS KILLED IN FRONT OF A BUS FULL OF PASSENGERS, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE OF YOU SPEAK ABOUT THIS, HOW YOU’RE HELPING HIS FAMILY, THE PEOPLE IN THAT BUS WHO WENT HOME WITH THIS TRAUMA, EVEN MYSELF WHEN I WENT DOWN THERE, I GREW UP RIDING THE CITY BUS ALL MY LIFE, WHEN I FOUND OUT WHERE THE SHOOTING HAPPENED I REALIZED IT WAS THE SAME ROUTE THAT I WOULD TAKE WITH MY FAMILY, WITH MY FRIENDS TO GO TO THE MALL, THE LIBRARY BACK BEHIND THAT MALL. THAT’S THE SAME ROUTE WE WOULD TAKE. SO WHEN I FOUND OUT LIKE WHERE IT WAS I WAS LIKE, MY GOD, WHAT ARE THEY DOING FOR THESE PEOPLE? EVEN I HAD A BREAKDOWN THAT DAY. MY SON HAD TO WATCH ME BECAUSE IT HURT THAT MUCH TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR THESE PEOPLE. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU WILL FINALLY HAVE THE COURAGE ENOUGH TO DO WHAT WE’VE BEEN ASKING YOU FOR WEEKS AFTER SIX MONTHS — I AM SORRY AFTER THE LAST MONTH AND 600 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT TO GIVE A COMPENSATION FOR THIS TRAUMA FOR PEOPLE LIKE ROBBIE BROWN’S FAMILY, THE PEOPLE ON THAT BUS. THERE WAS SOMEONE ACTUALLY IN THE BUS THAT SAYS THE POLICE SAID, THIS IS QUOTE, THE POLICE SAID, DON’T TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS, BUT TELLING MY STORY IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN DEAL WITH IT. I DON’T HAVE ANYONE ELSE TO TALK TO. I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO SLEEP. THE SOUND OF FOUR TO FIVE SHOTS IS STILL ECHOING IN MY EARS. WHAT ARE DOING FOR THAT PERSON THAT SPOKE UP AND ASKED YOU FOR HELP? NOTHING. I KNOW FIRST HAND I NEED THIS COMPENSATION FOR MYSELF BECAUSE, TRUST ME, WHEN I WENT HOME THAT NIGHT I WAS BROKEN. I CAN’T IMAGINE HOW I WOULD HAVE BEEN IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT BUS AND I WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN. I WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. SHOW SOME COURAGE FOR ONCE. STEP UP TODAY AND INCLUDE THE COMPENSATION FOR VICTIMS OF POLICE VIOLENCE IN THIS BUDGET.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THAT’S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL HOLD THE CARDS UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEN. GOING TO THE 24-HOUR PARAGRAPH.>>THE CLERK: THE TITLES OF THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION NUMBERS ON THE AGENDA WERE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LEAST 24 HOURS PRIOR TO THIS COUNCIL MEETING AND, THEREFORE, MAY BE READ BY TITLE OR AGENDA ITEM ONLY: G-6463 THROUGH 6473, S-44586, 44616, S-44629 THROUGH 44741, AND RESOLUTIONS – 21645 THROUGH 21649.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN VALENZUELA?>>Councilman Valenzuela: THANK YOU. LIKE TO ASK THAT WE PULL ITEMS 220 AND 221 OUT OF ORDER.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DO SO. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.>>>[ CHORUS OF AYES] MOTION CARRIES. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES, MY MOTION IS TO CONTINUE — I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMUNITY LEADERS FROM THE 107th AVENUE AREA, VILLA DE PAZ AREA, WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AND I KNOW CONVERSATIONS WILL CONTINUE, AND THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE TO JUNE 27th, AND THIS IS FOR ITEMS 220 AND 221.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE COUNCIL WISH — OKAY. WE HAVE LOTS OF CARDS. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE CONTINUANCE? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS NEW JUNE — WHEN WAS IT?>>Councilman Valenzuela: 27th.>>Int. Mayor Williams: 27th PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? ITEM CARRIES. THE ITEM IS MOVED TO THE JUNE 27th AGENDA. THANK YOU FOR COMING. WE HAVE NO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TODAY. GO TO LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATIONS. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 1-25 EXCEPT ITEMS 20 AND 25. AND FOR ITEM 25 THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JUNE 27th, 2018 MEETING.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DOES THE COUNCIL PERSON CONCUR –>>Councilwoman Gallego: I SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE OF ITEM 25.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE CARDS — NO, NO CARDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SAY –>>Councilwoman Pastor: SECOND. I MADE THE MOTION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: SHE MADE THE MOTION?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MADE A SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WHO SECONDED — COME ON, CRIS. WOMEN ARE FAST.>>Councilwoman Pastor: GET WITH US, CRIS. [LAUGHTER]>>Int. Mayor Williams: ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. BRINGS US TO ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS — OH, ITEM 20, SORRY. COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS OR HAVE A PRESENTATION?>>Councilman Nowakowski: I DON’T NEED A PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR DENISE. DENISE WE RECEIVED A COUPLE PROTEST LETTERS AND I JUST WANT — I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW LONG HAS THIS STORE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD?>>THIS LOCATION FOR DISCOUNT KING MARKET WAS ORIGINALLY LICENSED WITH A SERIES 10 BEER AND WINE STORE LICENSE IN AUGUST OF 1989, AND SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN LICENSED WITH DIFFERENT OWNERS UNTIL NOW. CURRENTLY THERE’S A PENDING APPLICATION AND THE APPLICANT OF THE PENDING APPLICATION MAY OPERATE WITH AN INTERIM PERMIT AS WELL.>>Councilman Nowakowski: AND IS THE APPLICANT HERE?>>Int. Mayor Williams: IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM 20?>>YES.>>[INAUDIBLE]>>Int. Mayor Williams: WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMING UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE, SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? YOU.>>MY NAME IS ANGIE AND I AM THE — I’M MANAGING THE STORE. I’M ALSO RENOVATING IT. ALTHOUGH WE’RE PETITIONING FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE, I’LL BE IN HOPES OF PETITIONING FOR A COMMUNITY GRANT FOR REDEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE NUTRITION, WHICH IT IS — THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY DEPRIVED BASED UPON THE HOMELESS RATE, THE DISABLED AND CHILDREN WITH WORKING PARENTS, AND BEING A SMALL BUSINESS IT IS VERY HARD. THAT LOCATION HAS HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK THROUGH RENOVATION AND SO FORTH IT WILL HELP ME PETITION FOR A MINORITY GRANT AND DO SOMETHING MORE OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT IS UP FOR GRABS. THE BUILDING WILL BE SELLING SOON AND THAT’S MY BIGGEST FEAR, SOMEONE WILL GO IN THERE, PLACE A DOLLAR STORE, THAT DON’T REALLY KNOW THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT CANNOT MAKE IT TO A GROCERY STORE. SO ALTHOUGH WE’RE PETITIONING FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE, I HAVE SEGREGATED THE ALCOHOL FROM ANY THEFT FROM ANY MINORS, AND IT’S CONTROLLED BY THE AMOUNT THAT WE’RE PUTTING OUT –>>Councilman Nowakowski: IS IT TAMMY?>>ANGIE.>>Councilman Nowakowski: ANGIE, BASICALLY SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE SAFETY IN THAT AREA, THE LETTERS WE WERE RECEIVING –>>YEAH, I UPGRADED THE SECURITY SYSTEM.>>Councilman Nowakowski: WHAT KIND MEASURES ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE TO MAKE IT MORE SAFE?>>I AM GOING TO ENFORCE THE NO LOITERING POLICY. ALSO I HAVE UPPED THE SECURITY AROUND THE BUILDING, ALSO RENOVATING IT RIGHT NOW WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF A LITTLE COMMUNITY EFFORT GETTING IT DONE, BUT I’M UPPING THE LIGHTING IN THE AREA AND ALSO JUST FOR THE SAFETY AS FAR AS THOSE THAT DO WALK, I AM HOPING ON ESTABLISHING SOME TREES IN THE AREA FOR SHADE. IT HAS SOME BIG — I HAVE SOME BIG GOALS FOR THE COMMUNITY. MY FATHER WAS A COUNTY MANAGER, SO I’M VERY FAMILIAR WITH GRANT FUNDING. SO I HOPE TO TURN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO LOSE IT. I HAVE ENJOYED THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE IN THE AREA, AND LIKE I SAID, IT’S A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. THERE’S NO KNOCKING DOWN THOSE BUILDINGS. THE LIGHT RAIL IS SET TO BE, I GUESS, I HAVE TOLD ON VAN BUREN. AGAIN, THAT’S STILL NOT PROVIDING ANY NUTRITION FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, AGAIN, ARE SINGLE PARENTS, DON’T HAVE A VEHICLE. YOU KNOW, THE CHILDREN COME IN — I WANT TO PROVIDE APPLES, ORANGES, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THE LIQUOR LICENSE, THE SECURITY, I HAVE ALREADY UPPED IT. AGAIN I AM RENOVATING RIGHT NOW. THE LIGHTS WILL BE A LOT BRIGHTER. PLUS I’M ALWAYS OUTSIDE WATCHING, LOOKING. SO –>>Councilman Nowakowski: ONE OTHER THING IS ARE YOU COMMITTED IN BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY ACTION OFFICER?>>YES.>>Councilman Nowakowski: OKAY. WITH THAT I THINK MOST OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY WAS THE LIGHTING, MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS CAMERAS AND BASICALLY HAVING ON FILE THAT THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO COME ON THE PROPERTY TO — IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED.>>YES, THAT WAS THE POLICE ENFORCEMENT AND IF THEY NEED SURVEILLANCE, I AM ABLE TO PROVIDE IT ALL AROUND THE BUILDING. AND, EITHER WAY ON THE STREET.>>Councilman Nowakowski: WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 20.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE –>>THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES] OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW READY FOR ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, NEW BUSINESS AND PLANNING AND ZONING.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 26 THROUGH 223 EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING: ITEMS 26, 31, 35, 44, 50, 55, 73 THROUGH 78, 95, 102, 103, 106, 109, 119, 120, 121, 129, 136, 137, 141, 143 THROUGH 145, 154, 211 AND 222 THROUGH 223. ITEM 135 IS REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED TO JUNE 20th, 2018 PEP AND EXCLUDE THESE ITEMS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT: 75, 79, 102, 103, 106, 130, 133, 159, 207, 208 AND 120 THROUGH 223.>>Int. Mayor Williams: MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE’RE NOT PASSING ANYTHING. DID YOU SAY 122?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I DID NOT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY.>>Councilman Waring: I’M SAYING TO ADD 122.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YEAH, AND ITEM 122. RIGHT. RIGHT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. ARE WE SETTLED? VOICE OR ROLL? ROLL CALL. DID YOU SECOND?>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. ITEM 26.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MOVE TO APPROVE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO I HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN WARING?>>Councilman Waring: THIS IS A BIG ISSUE KNOTS JUST FOR US BUT A LOT OF FOLKS. WE HAVE HAD A PRETTY GOOD RECORD SO FAR, AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO SERVE ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. THE TECHNOLOGY KEEPS CHANGING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST WE HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR SPHERE. I KNOW THAT’S TRICKY BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, AND I GUESS I JUST FELT LIKE IT SHOULDN’T JUST BE ON CONSENT. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. NO FURTHER COMMENTS?>>Councilwoman Gallego: I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WARING. WE HAVE SEEN THIS ITEM RELATED TO CYBERSECURITY BE AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. PEER CITIES SUCH AS ATLANTA HAVE FRANKLY BEEN DEVASTATED BY ISSUES RELATED TO CYBERSECURITY SO WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER FOR TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ROLL CALL.>>>>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio:. YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>CLERK: COUNCILMAN VALENZUELA.>>COUNCILMAN VALENZUELA: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. ITEM 31?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE APPROVAL FOR ITEM 31.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: A MOTION AND A SECOND. DID ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? NO? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. ITEM 35?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM 35.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. NO ONE IS INDICATING THEY WANT TO SPEAK. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: [INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ITEM 44. OH, I’M SORRY. IT DID PASS 5-2. THAT’S RIGHT. CAN’T SUBTRACT FROM NINE. OKAY.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM –>>Int. Mayor Williams: CAN WE COMBINE ANY OF THESE?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I’M ASSUMING WE CAN, BUT DO YOU WANT TO — I AM 44.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT COUNCILMAN?>>Councilwoman Pastor: 44.>>Councilman DiCiccio: A QUICK QUESTION. I THINK, EDD, YOU ARE AWARE, BUT I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION ANYWAY. I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR DATA FOR YEARS NOW AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS WILL ALLOW US TO MODEL ALL OUR PENSION QUESTIONS WE’RE GOING TO HAVE. I KNOW IT’S NOT GOING TO BE 100 PERCENT PRECISE BECAUSE WE HAVE PSPRS ON THE OTHER END BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT LONGEVITY, YEARS OF SERVICE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WE’LL BE ABLE TO MODEL DIFFERENT TYPES OF COSTS, I GUESS, ASSOCIATED WITH OUR PENSION PLAN.>>WHILE THIS IS NOT ACTUARIAL DATA ITSELF IT USES DATA TO BE ABLE TO MODEL AS YOU SAID AND IT DOES IT MUCH FASTER THAN WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT. SO, YES, IT WILL ALLOW US TO MODEL MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PENSIONS AND WHAT-IFs IN THE PENSION SYSTEM.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AND THAT IT SHOULDN’T TAKE EIGHT HOURS — PART OF THE EIGHT-HOUR RULE –>>ONCE WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE, NO, IT SHOULD NOT TAKE EIGHT-HOUR RULE TO MODEL.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT’S WHAT I NEED.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 50, I MOVE APPROVAL FOR ITEM 50.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECONDS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEM 50?>>Councilman DiCiccio:, WELL IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY JUST TO IMPROVE THE MARGIN OF ERROR, .6%. IT’S NOT EVEN NEGLIGIBLE. IT JUST DOESN’T SEEM LIKE WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I GET IT, BUT THERE’S AN ASSUMPTION THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU INCREASE YOUR POOL OF RESPONDENTS YOU’RE GOING TO GET A BETTER SAMPLE BUT THAT’S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE AND THE AMOUNT MUCH MONEY BEING SPENT ON THIS CAN BE BETTER USED ON OTHER THINGS. I JUST DON’T THINK FOR A .6% DIFFERENCE YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING MONEY AS A CITY ON THAT, MAYOR. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 7-1 I BELIEVE IS THE TALLY. NEXT ITEM?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 55.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. I BELIEVE THAT WAS 7-1. NEXT ITEM IS –>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 73.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THIS IS THE FORMAL MEETING. IT’S A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 2018-2023 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. I’LL DECLARE THE MEETING OPEN. ARE THERE ANY CARDS? NO CARDS. OKAY. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? HEARING NONE, MEETING IS CLOSED. ITEM 74 IS THE ADOPTION OF THE 2018-2023 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MAYOR, I MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION 21-646. THE 2018-2023, 2023 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: [INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. I BELIEVE THAT’S 7-1. ITEM 75 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE 2018-2019 ANNUAL BUDGET ORDINANCES. I WILL NOW DECLARE THE HEARING OPEN. AND WE DO HAVE CARDS ON THIS. CRAIG TRIBKEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME DOWN?>>I’LL PASS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU’RE PASSING. YOU ARE JUST IN FAVOR. OKAY. WE HAVE CARDS THAT ARE OPPOSED BUT DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK. JOSÉ ROMERO, MARCO HERNANDEZ. KEN LAUGHLIN. PARIS WALLACE. BERTHA RITA MARIO CASTRO. JENNIFER HERNANDEZ. MAX MOW GUERRERO. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE — ZIRDANA I BELIEVE IT SAYS FERNANDEZ. AND MICHAEL INGRAM. ALL SAY THEY DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK BUT ARE OPPOSED. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. HEARING NONE, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>>Clerk: CLOSE THE MEETING.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING. ITEM 76 IS THE ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE 2018-2019 ANNUAL BUDGET.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MAYOR I MOVE THAT ITEM 76 BEING ORDINANCE S–44632 TENTATIVE 2018-2019 ANNUAL BUDGET BE ADOPTED.>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: –>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR, I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS AND WHY I WILL BE VOTING NO. A COUPLE THINGS RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND I DON’T THINK THE PUBLIC IS EVEN AWARE OF THIS, IN THIS BUDGET THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE IN THERE FOR OVER $2 BILLION IN NEW DEBT THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX CREATED BY IMPOSING THIS DEBT STRUCTURE ON THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION PLANS. THESE PLANS ARE ALREADY STRESSED AND THEY’RE HAVING SIGNIFICANT ISSUES, BUT THIS $2 BILLION BEING ADDED, YOU ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THIS IN THE FUTURE IF THIS BUDGET GOES THROUGH AS PLANNED. ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY OF PHOENIX COULD HAVE DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB OF HIRING MORE POLICE OFFICERS AND EVEN SOME WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS BUT THEY DID NOT. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE MONIES ALLOCATED IN HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS DONE, WHEN IT LOOKS AT THE POLICE OFFICERS ON OUR STREETS, WHAT IT DOES IS IT LOOKS AT A FINANCIAL MODEL LIKE, OKAY, HERE IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET FINANCIALLY FOR THE CITY, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE POPULATION NEEDS AND PUBLIC NEEDS. SO WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IS BASING EVERYTHING OFF OF A FINANCIAL STRUCTURE RATHER THAN A NEEDS STRUCTURE. I HAVE ASKED FOR THIS REPEATEDLY AT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HERE. I SAID, LOOK, TELL US WHAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED BY THE WAY OF POLICE OFFICERS. IS IT 3125 OFFICERS THAT WE NEED OR IS IT 3300? WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE NEED? AND EVERYTHING IS BASED OFF OF FINANCIALS — OFF OF A NUMERIC NUMBER, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT DOESN’T GIVE THE PUBLIC A REAL ANALYSIS AND VIEW OF WHAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX REALLY NEEDS WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS OBVIOUSLY IN THIS BUDGET THAT I LIKE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT OVERALL, IT CREATES THE STRUCTURAL IMBALANCE THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS HAD YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND THERE’S NO FIXING THAT. WHAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX DID BY ADDING THIS $2 BILLION, THEY EXTENDED THE TERMS. NOW, WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU EXTEND THE TERMS OF A LOAN, RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS? YOUR DEBT INCREASES. YOU’RE ABLE TO GET A LOWER PAYMENT BY EXTENDING THAT OUT. WHAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX DID BY INCREASING ITS DEBT, IT’S BURDENED FUTURE INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX, CHILDREN, OUR FAMILIES. WE’RE GOING TO BE HAVING TO PAY FOR THIS LONG TERM. SECOND THING, WHAT IT — IT DESTABILIZED THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSIONS ALREADY HAVING SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. SO WHY ADD THAT ON, THAT $2 BILLION’ WORTH OF DEBT, WHY ADD THAT ON TO THE POLICE AND FIRE BUDGET — NOT BUDGET, BUT THEIR PENSION PLANS. NONE OF THE STAFF THAT RECOMMENDED THIS, NOT ONE SINGLE STAFF MEMBER, SAID THAT THEY SHOULD DO THIS TO THEIR OWN PENSION PLAN, NOT ONE. BUT SEE THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE IN THE ROOM TODAY? THEY’RE GOING TO BE CARRYING THIS DEBT BURDEN. WE’RE GOING TO BE CARRYING THE DEBT BURDEN. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEIR PENSION PLANS, WHICH ARE ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER WATER, GET WORSE? WHY DESTABILIZE THEIR PENSION PLANS? THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE BUDGE IT IN ITSELF IS WRONG. IT’S THE WRONG DIRECTION. AND IT INCREASES THE INSUREDNESS OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX FUTURE — I BELIEVE WE HAVE A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT WITHIN THE CITY OF PHOENIX, AND THAT IS WHY YEAR AFTER YEAR THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH THESE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, AND IT SOLVES IT BY — AND EVERYONE TAKES THESE ACCOLADES. EVERYONE UP HERE SAYS WE SOLVED IT. THEY SOLVED IT BY ADDING DEBT. THAT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT JUST SHOWS YOU AND POINTS OUT THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS BEEN OPERATING UNDER AND WHY IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED LONG TERM. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I’M VOTING NO.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE. MY VOTE IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE CITY MANAGER’S BUDGET AND IT’S NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT CONTAINS, BUT RATHER ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF WHAT IS MISSING. A LARGE GROUP OF CONCERNED CITIZENS LIKE SO MANY OTHERS ATTENDED THIS BUDGET HEARING AND MADE THEIR VOICES HEARD AND WHILE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK THEIR CONCERNS, NONE OF THEIR REQUESTS WERE EVER CONSIDERED. THROUGH THIS VOTE THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE ESSENTIALLY ATTEMPTING TO SILENCE AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT IS SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT I CANNOT ABIDE BY. I BELIEVE IN EQUITY, IN UNITY, AND HOW — REALLY ON HOW THE SAME COUNCIL CAN VOTE IN FAVOR OF ONE ITEM THAT SUPPORTS INCLUSION AND BEING COUNTED BUT ON ANOTHER ITEM PROMOTING THE SAME THINGS AND THE IN THE SAME MEETING IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION. AND I’M SPEAKING ABOUT THE MEETING, THE PREVIOUS MEETING. AT LEAST WE — WE SHOULD AT LEAST HEAR OUR COMMUNITY AND WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY ON THE CONCERNS THAT ARE THERE. I SUPPORT EVERYTHING PRESENT IN THE BUDGET BUT I CANNOT BACK OMITTING SOMETHING FURTHER, AND THAT ERODES COMMUNITY TRUST. SO THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NONE? ROLL CALL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. SO IT’S 5-3.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM — MOVE ITEM 77.>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THE ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE 2018-2019 CAPITAL FUNDS BUDGET.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES I MOVE THAT ITEM 77 BEING ORDINANCE S–44723 THE TENTATIVE 2018-2019 CAPITAL FUNDS BUDGET BE ADOPTED.>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: [INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. BRINGS US TO — OH, 7-1? OKAY. ITEM 78. THIS IS THE ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE 2018-2019 REAPPROPRIATED FUNDS BUDGET.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MOVE THAT ITEM 78 BEING ORDINANCE S–44633, THE TENTATIVE 2018-2019 APPROPRIATED FUNDS BUDGET BE ADOPTED.>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN WARING?>>Councilman Waring: JUST FOR BRIEF EXPLANATION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU MAY.>>Clerk: THE REAPPROPRIATED FUNDS BUDGET ALLOWS US TO TAKE FUNDS BUDGETED AN ENCUMBERED IN THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR OR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND ALLOWS US TO ROLL THAT FORWARD SO THOSE BILLS CAN BE PAID.>>Councilman Waring: SO — WE BASICALLY WOULDN’T BE PAYING BILLS ON PROJECTS WE OWE MONEY ON IF WE DON’T PASS THIS? THIS ISN’T THE BUDGET. THIS IS STUFF THAT’S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED IN THE PAST. WE WILL JUST BE WELCHING ON THAT –>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>Councilman Waring: THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0, I BELIEVE IS THE COUNT. THAT TAKES US TO –>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM NUMBER 79. I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 79.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE DO HAVE ONE CARD, LEONARD CLARK. WE NEED A SECOND. DO I HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS ITEM, I BELIEVE S TO APPROVE FUNDING FOR THE — MORE SPECIFICALLY THE JAIL FOR MARICOPA COUNTY BECAUSE HOPEFULLY –>>Councilwoman Gallego: SPECIAL ELECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.>>OH, THIS IS THE SPECIAL ELECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL?>>Int. Mayor Williams: TO ELECT A NEW MAYOR.>>MY BAD. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT. SO I JUST — I’M NOT TRYING TO TAKE SIDES HERE BUT I BELIEVE THE PERSON THAT JUSTICE KENNEDY MOST RESEMBLES IS THELDA WILLIAMS, SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL BE — YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU’RE IN THE MIDDLE, MODERATE, AND I THINK PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES RESPECT YOU ON THAT. SO A LITTLE BIAS THERE, AND IT’S NOT FAIR BECAUSE IT’S HARD FOR ME TO BE SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY WHEN THELDA WILLIAMS IS THE MAYOR. IT’S JUST HARD FOR ME.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THAT’S VERY KIND OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS. ITEM 79, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A SECOND, I BELIEVE. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 95.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM 95. ANY COMMENTS? ROLL CALL.>>Councilwoman Gallego: ITEM 95 IS A PEDESTRIAN SAFETY PROJECT ON ROSIER ROAD IN DISTRICT 8. THIS IS ONE WHERE THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN TO US PARTICULARLY ABOUT SAFE PASSAGES TO SCHOOLS AND PARKS. I WANTED TO THANK THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANYONE ELSE? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 7-1. NEXT ITEM IS –>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 102.>>Councilman Valenzuela: MOTION TO APPROVE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE DO HAVE SOME CARDS.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THAT’S A SECOND. DISEASE SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: JOSEPH WITT?>>GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. ITEM 102 IS IMPORTANT. IT BRINGS FIRE DISPATCHERS TO PARITY WITH POLICE DISPATCHERS. IT’S SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET COMPLETED FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS. JOBS ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR. WE’RE JUST AS BUSY AS THEY ARE. WE HAVE 26 DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS WE DISPATCH FOR. WE ANSWER 911 CALLS AND DISPATCH FIRE EMS EVEN THROUGH THREE COUNTIES, YAVAPAI, MARICOPA AND PINAL COUNTIES. WE AVERAGE ABOUT 1300 CALLS A DAY. ON A NATIONAL AVERAGE, NORMALLY THEY TAKE 3,000 CALLS IN AN 8-HOUR PERIOD. WE’RE TAKING NEARLY 5,000 CALLS IN A FOUR-POWER PERIOD. THE REST OF THE TIME IS SPENT ON RADIOS. LAST YEAR WE LOGGED ROUGHLY 480,000 CALLS. THIS YEAR WE’RE DESTINED TO BREAK THAT TOTAL AS THE CALL TOTALS INCREASE EACH YEAR. SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON NUMBER 102. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. MARGIE POTTER? WHO IS ALSO A NURSE.>>I AM. HI. I’M COUNCIL DISTRICT 8. I’VE BEEN A DISPATCHER FOR 23 YEARS. UNFORTUNATELY THIS PARITY ISSUE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THE 23 YEARS. IT STARTED IN 1995 WHEN I WAS HIRED. WE TRIED TO RECTIFY THIS IN 1997 WITH A BUDGET AND RESEARCH STUDY. AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY THIS WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME THAT BUDGET AND RESEARCH CAME TO VISIT AND OBSERVED WHAT WE DO FOR THE PARITY. SO FAST FORWARD NOW TO 2018, WE DISPATCH FOR 26 CITIES IN THREE COUNTIES, AS JOE STATED, AND OVER THE LAST 23 YEARS I’VE ANSWERED ROUGHLY 100,000 911 CALLS FOR SERVICE. IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE ALSO RETURN AND SIMULTANEOUSLY MAKE CALLS TO OTHER AGENCIES LIKE POLICE, OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, MCSO, DPS AND WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND WE DO THIS 24 HOURS A DAY, 365 DAY AS YEAR JUST LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DISPATCHERS DO. I DO INVITED YOU ALL TO COME DOWN AND SEE WHAT WE DO. WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW DISPATCH CENTER AND IT’S LOVELY AND PLENTY OF SPACE FOR ALL OF YOU TO SIT DOWN AND WATCH AND LISTEN TO WHAT WE DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANKS FOR THE INVITATION. MICHELLE NEWCOMBE?>>GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MICHELLE NEWCOMBE, AFSCME LOCAL 2960. WHEN I BECAME A STEWARD FOR AVIATION I DID NOT REALIZE HOW LOW THE PAY WAS FOR THE AVIATION DISPATCHERS RECEIVED. THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND MULTIPLE JOB DUTIES THEY PERFORM IN A SHIFT ARE IMPRESSIVE. I’M SURE I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU ALL THE JOB DUTIES THAT THE DISPATCHERS PERFORM BUT I’M GOING TO TRY TO GIVE YOU WHAT I KNOW. THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANSWERING AIRPORT EMERGENCY PHONE LINES AND REQUESTING POLICE OR MEDICAL SERVICE. THEY RECEIVE CALLS FROM PASSENGERS FOR EMERGENCY DURESS, STUCK ELEVATORS, PAGING AND WORK ORDERS. THEY MONITOR AND RESPOND TO ALARMS GENERATED BY THE AIRPORT’S ACCESS CONTROL MONITOR SYSTEM. THEY HAVE PROCEDURES, PROTOCOLS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED AND RECEIVED IN INCOMING ALARMS. THEY VIEW SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND ANSWER — AND DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF RESPONSE REQUIRED AND THEN DISPATCH POLICE AND OPERATION PERSONNEL. ALSO THEY MONITOR THE EEL INNOVATORS, ESCALATORS, MOVING WALKWAYS, DISPATCH PERSONNEL AS NEEDED. DISPATCHERS MAINTAIN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATION WITH POLICE, FIRE UNITS, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL AND HIGHER UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. MONITORING AND DISPATCH PURPOSES FOR THE AIRPORT FIRE ALARM SERVICE COVER SECURITY ALARM, SECURITY CHECKPOINT RING DOWN LINES, AIRCRAFT EMERGENCY RING DOWN, AIRPORT LIGHTNING DETECTION AND THE AIRPORT EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION. I ASK THAT YOU ALL VOTE FOR THE TWO-STEP INCREASE DUE TO THE INCREASED RESPONSIBILITY AND MULTIPLE JOB DUTIES THAT ARE PERFORMED DAILY. ALSO THEY ARE PART OF A TEAM THAT KEEPS OUR PASSENGERS, CUSTOMERS AND VENDORS AND PUBLIC SECURE AND SAFE. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALAN ALTMAN AND BUDDY.>>HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ALAN. THIS IS MY SON BRODY. I WON’T REPEAT THE STATISTICS BUT I HAVE BEEN A CURRENT DISPATCHER FOR FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS AND I DISPATCH FIRE. I’M HERE TO OFFER SUPPORT AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD, TOO. WE’RE TWO STEPS BEHIND PD. THE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT WE STAY ON THE PHONE WITH PATIENTS, PATIENT’S FAMILY FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD AMOUNT OF TIME. I CURRENTLY AM ALSO A PARAMEDIC. I WORK IN THE FIELD. SO WE OFFER LIFESAVING TIPS, CPR, DIFFERENT OTHER MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT WE CAN — WE CALL IT EMD. SO WE STAY ON THE PHONE EAR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME UNTIL THE HELP ARRIVES. SO — I GOT MY HANDS FULL. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: HE IS ADORABLE.>>Councilwoman Gallego: BRODY IS ALSO IN FAVOR.>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LOOKING INTO THIS. I APPRECIATE IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR TALKING. SONIA VALENZUELA?>>GOOD AFTERNOON. I’M A LITTLE NERVOUS, SORRY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE DON’T BITE.>>I’M SONIA VALENZUELA. I HAVE BEEN A PHOENIX FIRE DISPATCHER FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW. JUST TO REITERATE WHAT MY OTHER DISPATCHERS HAVE SAID, WE WOULD LIKE OUR INCREASE IN PAY AND TO BE EQUAL WITH PD BECAUSE WE DO JUST AS MUCH AS THEY DO. THEY DESERVINGLY GET THAT PAY, AND I FEEL THAT WE DO AS WELL. WE JUST DO IT IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY. WE ARE THE VOICES ON THE LINE THAT HELP YOU DELIVER YOUR BABY AT HOME. WE’RE THE VOICES ON THE LINE THAT WALK YOU THROUGH CPR WHEN YOUR CHILD IS FOUND IN THE POOL. WE DON’T — OUR CALL DOESN’T END WHEN WE GET THE TRUCKS ON THE ROAD. WE STAY ON THE LINE WITH YOU UNTIL HELP GETS THERE AND EVEN AFTERWARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR NEEDS ARE MET. WE DON’T NOT ONLY TAKE 911 CALLS, WE TAKE CALLS FROM CITIZENS WHO CALL IN FOR INFORMATION, WHO CALL IN JUST TO TALK BECAUSE THEY’RE LONELY, WHO CALL FOR RESOURCES THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DON’T PROVIDE AND WE PROVIDE SEAMLESS SERVICE. WE GET THEM THOSE RESOURCES. I WILL TAKE MY TIME TO FIND THOSE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED. I DON’T JUST HANG UP THE PHONE AND SAY, I AM SORRY, I CAN’T HELP YOU. WE ARE VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE DO. WE CHOOSE A THANKLESS CAREER. WE ARE THE VOICES ON THE PHONE AND RADIO YOU DON’T ALWAYS SEE AND I BELIEVE THAT WE DESERVE THIS. I’M RESPECTFULLY ASKING YOU TO VOTE YES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE SOME CARDS THAT ARE IN FAVOR BUT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. FRANK PICCIOLI, DEBORAH NOVAK SCOTT, BARRY McCUNE, REBECCA WESTOVER, VICTORIA GOMEZ. WE’LL PUT THOSE ALL ON THE RECORD THAT YOU’RE IN FAVOR. DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILWOMAN?>>Councilwoman Stark: I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO AS WELL. YOU GUYS DO AMAZING WORK FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX. THANK YOU.>>Councilman Valenzuela: I ALSO WANT TO THANK EVERY ONE OF OUR DISPATCHERS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT SONIA JUST MENTIONED. OUR PHOENIX POLICE DISPATCHERS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET. THIS IS ABOUT FAIRNESS AND EQUITY, AND AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH THE ALARM ROOM IF I’M AT MY OTHER OFFICE, YOU KNOW, OUR DISPATCHERS ARE ACTUALLY HELPING TO DELIVER CHILDREN AT HOME, WALKING PEOPLE THROUGH SOME OF THESE EMERGENCIES, TRAINED EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCHERS WORKING INCREDIBLY WELL UNDER PRESSURE. YOU KNOW, ASK FOR A TOUR. I BELIEVE THERE’S A WAY THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN GET A TOUR. I CERTAINLY WOULD ASK EVERYONE UP HERE TO GET A TOUR. BUT YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED JUST HOW MUCH GOES INTO THAT PARTICULAR JOB. AND SO I AM — I’M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE FRANK PICCIOLI. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PHOENIX FIRE DISPATCH CENTER. I BELIEVE 28 DEPARTMENTS, BY THE WAY, SO IT’S NOT JUST THE CITY OF PHOENIX, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE VALLEY WORKING OFF OF ONE 911 SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE SUCH A SEAMLESS SERVICE ACROSS THE VALLEY. IT’S BECAUSE OF THE WOMEN AND MEN TAKING THOSE PHONE CALLS. SO THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANYONE ELSE? I WANT TO SAY I UNFORTUNATELY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL YOU, AND YOU HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS HELP TO ME AND MY FAMILY. YOU’VE TAKE TEN US THROUGH SOME PRETTY PERILOUS SITUATIONS AND YOU HAVE DONE IT IN SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, COMPASSIONATE WAY. YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED, AND I THINK YOU ARE MOST DESERVING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, ROLL CALL. HE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES SEVEN-1.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 103. GIVE ME A SECOND. I MOVED IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A SECOND. I HAVE ONE CARD, LAURA ROSS.>>MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS LAURA ROSS. I’M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX RETIREES ASSOCIATION. I WORK FOR THE CITY FOR 30 YEARS AND RETIRED, THANKFULLY. AS AN EMPLOYEE, I WAS THE HEALTHCARE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE MIDDLE MANAGERS FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS, AND AS A RETIREE I HAVE BEEN THAT SAME REPRESENTATIVE FOR 13 YEARS I RETIRED AS A DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE MANAGEMENT SERVICES DIVISION OF STREET TRANSPORTATION. YOU CAN SEE THAT I HAVE A STRONG INTEREST AND BACKGROUND IN HEALTHCARE ISSUES. THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS ALWAYS PROVIDED VERY GOOD HEALTHCARE FOR THE CITIZENS. HOWEVER, WE DID GET A LITTLE GLITCH AND HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THE CITY CHOSE TO MOVE THE RETIREES TO A PRIVATE EXCHANGE WITH TOWERS WATSON JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. THE BIGGEST PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS WITH THE PRE-MEDICARE INDIVIDUALS AND I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT THE CITY STEPPED UP AND OFFERED AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THOSE PRE-MEDICARE RETIREES TO COME BACK TO THE CITY. BUT THE CITY ONLY BROUGHT BACK THE PRE-MEDICARE INDIVIDUALS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, HEALTHCARE IS A VERY EXPENSIVE ISSUE AND WE AS RETIREES PAY 100% OF WHAT THE COST IS, AND SO AS A PART OF THE GROUP THAT REPRESENTS RETIREES I’M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL OFFER A VIABLE, STABLE WAY TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE. WE HAVE BEEN PURSUING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS THE ABILITY TO MOVE INTO THE STATE SIS TEMPTED SO THAT WE WOULD BE PART OF A LARGER GROUP, AND THAT WOULD HELP AS FAR AS RATES ARE CONCERNED. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE THINGS. I VERY MUCH ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THIS ISSUE IS BECAUSE IT IS A STEPPING STONE TO GET US TO A PLACE WHERE THE RETIREES WILL HAVE A STABLE, AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE OPTION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE ONE OTHER CARD THAT DOESN’T WISH TO SPEAK, DEBORAH NOVAK SCOTT IS IN SUPPORT. ANY COMMENTS? ROLL CALL.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE COMMENTS AND I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO — REGARDING THIS — SO — LAURA, I KNOW YOU WEREN’T HERE, LESLIE, I’M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE HERE IN 2016, BUT IN 2016, AT THAT MOMENT IN 2016, OF COURSE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR EFFICIENCIES AND EFFECTIVENESS, AND ONE OF THE AREAS WE FOUND — OR TRIED TO FIND EFFICIENCIES WAS IN HEALTHCARE. AND IN 2016 I HAD DEEP, DEEP CONCERNS REGARDING GOING ON THE EXCHANGE AND WHAT IT WOULD DO TO OUR RETIREES AND THE SHIFTING OF WHAT WE HAD PROMISED EMPLOYEES IF THEY GAVE THEIR YEARS TO WORKING FOR US AND THE BENEFIT WAS THERE — NOT ONLY THEIR RETIREMENT BUT THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. AND SO TODAY I FEEL LIKE IT’S A DEJA VU OF A CONVERSATION I HAD IN 2016 BECAUSE WE’RE HERE WHERE I THOUGHT WE WOULD LAND IN THE SENSE OF THE EXCHANGE IS NOT WORKING FOR THE RETIREES. THERE IS A GAP THAT WE’RE MISSING PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRED. AND NOW WE’RE PLAYING CATCH-UP AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. I AM JUST GOING TO BE FRANK WITH MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE AT THE FACT THAT WHEN WE START MESSING AROUND WITH OUR HEALTHCARE AND REALLY LOOKING AT QUALITY, WE’RE STARTING TO MESS WITH THE QUALITY OF OUR HEALTH CARE WHEN WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES, AND UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS MOMENT OUR RETIREES ARE THE ONES WHO ARE PAYING THE PRICE. SO THOSE ARE MY — LAURA, YOU WEREN’T HERE, SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? BUT I THINK I KIND OF SUMMED IT UP AND YOU CAN SAY WHY WE’RE DOING THIS.>>MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, VICE MAYOR PASTOR, WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE ARE INTERESTED IN OFFERING A BETTER OPTION TO OUR RETIREES. ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL, AS LAURA ROSS ARTICULATELY SAID, IS TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN WORK WITH THE ASRS SYSTEM AND HAVE OUR RETIREES BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT SYSTEM. ASRS IS NOT READY FOR THAT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH ADEQUATE DATA TO SHOW THEM THAT OUR RETIREE POOL MATCHES THEIRS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, AND SO THAT IS — THIS IS THE BRIDGE TO HOPEFULLY GET US TO THAT POINT. WE ARE — WE ARE INTERESTED IN OFFERING A BETTER OPTION THROUGH UNITEDHEALTHCARE TO OUR RETIREES AT THIS TIME TO EXPAND OUR POOL, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RETIREES ENROLLED IN THAT POOL, WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL PROVIDE A MORE BALANCED POOL THAT ASRS WILL THEN HOPEFULLY IN A FEW YEARS ACCEPT INTO THEIR POOL AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT TO OUR RETIREES AS WELL.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MY QUESTION NOW TO YOU IS WHAT TYPE OF POOL ARE THEY LOOKING FOR?>>I AM GOING TO ASK LESLIE OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR TO SPEAK TO THAT. SHE HAS BEEN THE ONE WITH THE MAJORITY OF CONVERSATIONS WITH ASRS AND CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL.>>MAYOR, COUNCIL, COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR, ASRS IS LOOKING FOR THE ADDITION OF THE RETIREE GROUP FROM THE CITY TO BE DEMOGRAPHICALLY MATCHED TO THEIR GROUP, AND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR GROUP HAS BEEN SLICED UP AND HAS BECOME MUCH SMALLER THAN IT WAS AT ONE TIME, IT IS NOT MATCHING UP EXPERIENCE-WISE, UTILIZATION-WISE TO THE ASRS GROUP.>>Councilwoman Pastor: WHEN YOU SAY EXPERIENCE-WISE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?>>THE CLAIMS EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MATCH UP. IT IS HIGHER. IT’S GREATER BECAUSE THIS IS A SMALLER GROUP.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. THANK YOU. AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING, PEOPLE PROBABLY DON’T KNOW THIS, I STARTED WORKING AT 14, AND I GUESS AT 14 I WAS ABLE TO BE EXPOSED TO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. ONE AREA WHEN I RETURNED BACK FROM CHICAGO, I WORKED IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND I UNDERSTAND — I WORKED THERE FOR THREE YEARS, AND IT’S A REGULATORY AREA, BUT IT’S ALSO — YOU LEARN A LOT ABOUT POOLS AND DEMOGRAPHICS, EXPERIENCE, AND BASICALLY WHAT INSURANCE COMPANIES LIKE, THEY LIKE HEALTHY POOLS. THEY LIKE TO SEE HEALTHY POOLS IN ORDER FOR THE INSURANCE TO BE REASONABLE, AND DEMOGRAPHICALLY — AND I SEE WHERE THE ASRS IS, BECAUSE I SAT ON THE ASRS BOARD AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY LOOK AT, AND ALL THESE ITEMS BASICALLY YOU HOPE TO GET ON THE ASRS. ASRS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SYSTEM TO GET ON. AND ASRS LOOKS AT THE PATH IT IS GOING TO TAKE OF RETIREES FROM OUR SYSTEM AND WHAT IT’S GOING TO HIT ON THEIR SYSTEM AND THEY ARE PROTECTIVE AND VERY CONSERVATIVE. SO I AM JUST SAYING US — TO MY COLLEAGUES WE HAVE TO MONITOR THIS AND REALLY SEE THE IMPACT THAT WE DID TO OUR RETIREES. SO THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WARING?>>Councilman Waring: ISN’T THE PROBLEM THAT THE POOL HAS SHRUNK BECAUSE THE COSTS FOR THE INSURANCE THAT THE EMPLOYEES — IT’S NOT SUBSIDIZED BY TAXPAYERS, CORRECT? THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FULL FREIGHT.>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>SOMETIMES DOING IT BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE SO IF YOUR SPOUSE IS STILL WORKING, OR SOME OTHER OPTION, THAT’S WHAT YOU DO, SO THE POOL DOWN TO 1100 WHO SKEW OLDER AND NOT AS HEALTHY AND THE STATE WON’T TAKE US, BOTTOM LINE. THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO VOTE AND SO FAR THEY HAVE SHOWN NO INCLINATION TO DO. HAD A PLAN IN 2016 AND THAT PLAN DIDN’T WORK. BUT YOU HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING — I DON’T SEE IT AS AN ISSUE OF US TRYING TO SAVE MONEY. IT’S THE — IT’S THE EMPLOYEES CAN’T AFFORD IT AND THERE’S BEEN A LONGSTANDING COMMITMENT OF THE CITY TO OFFER INSURANCE TO RETIREES IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IT’S NOT EVEN REALLY A CONTRACTUAL THING. IT’S JUST SOMETHING THE CITY HAS ALWAYS DONE. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?>>City Mgr. Zuercher: I WOULD HAVE TO ASK LESLIE ABOUT THE CONTRACTUAL PIECE. WE CERTAINLY HAVE DONE IT — I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY A MORAL CONTRACT AT LEAST.>>Councilman Waring: FAIR ENOUGH. SO IT’S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO, BUT IF THE EMPLOYEES CAN’T AFFORD IT, THEN THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE EITHER. THE STATE HAS EIGHT PLANS YOU CAN PICK AND THEY WOULD BE CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE’RE OFFERING TODAY, WHICH IS NOT AS GOOD A PLAN AS YOU MIGHT HOPE AND CERTAINLY IS NOT AS GOOD A PLAN AS CURRENT EMPLOYEES GET. FOR 18 MONTHS WHEN YOU LEAVE YOU CAN GET A COBRA, RIGHT. SO YOU RETIRE AND GET COBRA FOR 18 MONTHS AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT 18 MONTHS YOU ARE SUDDENLY PAYING MORE FOR A CRUMBIER PRODUCT. SO IF — FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, THAT’S A SYNOPSIS. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAXPAYER MONEY. SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A THREE-YEAR PLAN STARTING FROM, I GUESS, TODAY.>>STARTING FROM JANUARY 1st 2019.>>Councilman Waring: I GUESS MY FEAR IS IN THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS AT THE STATE ARE STILL LIKE, YEAH — NO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN? I MEAN IS THERE A BACK-UP PLAN? I KNOW IT’S THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS BUT IT WILL GO BY PRETTY QUICK. IT’S ALREADY BEEN A COUPLE YEARS SINCE 2016.>>MAYOR, COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO MONITOR THIS VERY CLOSELY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO SEE HOW THIS IN FACT PROGRESSES AND IF THE POOL INCREASES AS WE ANTICIPATE DOING IT, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY KNOW INCREMENTALLY HOW THINGS PROGRESS WELL BEFORE THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNCIL AND TO ADVISE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD, BUT ULTIMATELY DECISIONS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE ALONG THE WAY AND AT THE TWO-YEAR, THREE-YEAR MARK DETERMINE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO PROCEED. AT THIS TIME WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR OUR RETIREES. THEY PAY THEIR FULL PREMIUM. WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE AN OPTION THAT IS AFFORDABLE AND THAT IS A BETTER OPTION THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY.>>Councilman Waring: I’M NOT SAYING, MADAM CHAIR, YOUR PLAN WON’T WORK, BUT WHAT I REMEMBER YOU WERE TRYING TO GO FROM A THOUSAND AND CHANGE AND IT’S NOW TO ABOUT 4,000.>>THREE TO 4,000 COUNCILMAN WARING OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS.>>Councilman Waring: I ASKED THIS IN THE HEARING, WHY CAN’T YOU PUT THE RETIREES IN WITH THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND THE AVERAGE COST WOULD GO UP 2% BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU WOULD BE MIXING A YOUNGER — ACTUALLY THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES ARE YOUNGER THAN THE RETIREES, BUT I DO HEAR WHAT ED IS SAYING. CERTAINLY WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRY. BUT IT SOUND LIKE FROM WHAT HE IS SAYING WE ARE GOING TO KEEP DOING THIS. IT JUST SEEMS AT SOME POINT WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AND WE CAN’T FORCE — THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN HAPPEN WITH THE STATE IS IF THE LEGISLATURE VOTES. THEY HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS. AND OUR HISTORY IS A LITTLE UP AND DOWN.>>THERE IS A STATE STATUTE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED AS A FIRST STEP BEFORE OUR CITY RETIREES COULD JOIN THE ARIZONA STATE RETIREMENT SYSTEM BENEFITS PLAN FOR HEALTHCARE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE ASRS ADMINISTRATION WOULD NEED TO AGREE TO IT AS WELL. THERE IS JUST, AS AN ASIDE, FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL’S INFORMATION, A HELD CARE TRUST BOARD THAT OVERSEES THIS ISSUE AS WELL. IT IS COMPRISED OF PRIMARILY CITIZEN MEMBERS AND ONE EMPLOYEE. THOSE CITIZEN MEMBERS COME FROM THE WORLD OF INSURANCE AND FINANCE AND HEALTHCARE PRIMARILY, THEY, TOO, ARE CONCERNED. THEY HAD, TOO, WORRY ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY. THEY MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH. AND THIS IS A TOPIC ON THEIR AGENDA AT EVERY MEETING.>>Councilman Waring: SO I WOULD JUST — I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY MANAGER, THIS IS GREAT YOU HAVE A PLAN, BUT WE ALSO HAD A PLAN COUPLE YEARS AGO NOT POO-POOING THIS CURRENT PLAN BUT MAYBE THINK ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES, TOO. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. IN OUR PRIVATE MEETING IT DIDN’T SOUND LIKE THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE. AND THERE IS — YOU CAN CUT IT OFF BUT I DON’T THINK IS NECESSARILY FAIR. BUT IF THIS GETS TO BE SO EXPENSIVE THAT NOBODY CAN AFFORD IT, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A POOL WITH 200 PEOPLE IN IT? IS THAT EVEN — I’M SURPRISE YOU CAN DO IT WITH 1100. I WAS KIND OF SHOCK BY THAT GIVEN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE. GIVEN THE FACT EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMS TO BE FLEEING FOR ANOTHER OPTION TELLS WITH US WE’RE AT. NOBODY’S FAULT. JUST WHERE IT IS. I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO IT — THE BENEFITS PACKAGES FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES IS NEGOTIATED — IT’S A NEGOTIATED THING. IT’S NOT SOMETHING WE DECIDE. IT’S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY MANAGER DECIDES. THAT’S A NEGOTIATED THING. ALL THOSE RETIREES, I ASSUME, HAD AT SOME POINT BEEN COVERED BY THE CITY, RIGHT, I DON’T SEE HOW THEY WOULDN’T BEEN. IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT SO IT DOESN’T HIT THE TAXPAYER BUT EMPLOYEES MIGHT VOLUNTARILY SAY, WELL, IF I AM GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY THIS GOING FORWARD — MAYBE THERE ISN’T ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT MAKE SENSE. I GUESS I’M THROWING SOMETHING OUT THERE. ANYTHING THAT MIGHT WORK. AT SOME POINT IT’S NOT GOING TOOK PRACTICAL AND YOU’RE GOING TO BE RUINING THE LIFE BASICALLY OF ANYBODY WHO IS LEFT WHO ARE SUDDENLY WE’RE NOT OFFERING THIS AT THIS MOMENT. IT’S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: JUST TO BUILD ON THAT AND EMPHASIZE WHAT LORI AND LESLIE SAID, WE’RE GOING TO KNOW ALONG THE WAY INCREMENTALLY WHAT OUR RESULTS ARE SO WE DON’T HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS TO DECIDE WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE OTHER POINT THIS PLAN WITH UNITEDHEALTHCARE IS A BETTER OPTION THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY AND SO IT IN ITSELF IS AN OPTION MOVING FORWARD, EVEN IF ASRS DOESN’T DO SOMETHING, THIS PLAN WOULD — WE WOULD ASSUME WOULD CONTINUE TO BE AN OPTION THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS AND REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE, AS YOU SAY, THREE YEARS GOES BY FAST AND SO WE KNOW WE HAVE TO BE ON THIS AS VICE MAYOR PASTOR SAID AS WELL, THAT WE HAVE TO BE MONITORING THIS EVERY MONTH.>>Councilman Waring: IF IT DOESN’T WORK, YOU HAVE TO START PLANNING A YEAR-AND-A-HALF OUT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. IF I MISSPOKE, I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TODAY IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT THIS SECOND. SO I I UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS STATE WOULD BE BETTER STILL — I ASSUME THE EIGHT PLANS ARE TIERED. I’M A RETIREE FROM THE STATE, SO I KNOW. THERE’S EIGHT — THERE ARE EIGHT PLANS AND YOU CAN KIND OF PICK WHAT YOU NEED. IF YOU’RE WILLING TO PAY MORE IF YOU HAVE SOME ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND PAY LESS IF YOU DON’T OR HAVE A SMALLER FAMILY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THAT’S CERTAINLY THE BEST ALTERNATIVE, BUT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT DICEY GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE AND BASICALLY BEGGING GIVEN THEY HAVE — ALREADY SAID FLAT NO.>>TO THIS POINT, COUNCILMAN WARING, IT HAS BEEN A NO.>>Councilman Waring: THAT’S ENOUGH OF THAT, BUT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THE ISSUE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I WANT TO ADD CLARITY, RETIREES ARE THE ONES IN THE BUBBLE. I CALL THE BUBBLE IF I RETIRE AT 55, 55 TO 65 I’M UNABLE TO GET ON MEDICAID OR MEDICARE.>>VICE MAYOR PASTOR, YOU ARE CORRECT. THOSE THAT ARE — THAT WERE MOST AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE WERE THOSE IN BETWEEN 55 AND 65. YOU ARE CORRECT.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I JUST WANT TO SAY, WARING, IF I WAS IN THAT SITUATION, EVEN THOUGH I COULD RETIRE, I THINK I WOULD STAY JUST FOR MY HEALTHCARE. SO WE MAY SEE THAT. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ACTUALLY YOU DO SEE THAT A LOT. YOU JUST DON’T KNOW IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. I THINK IT’S 8-0. COUNCILMAN WARING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION SINCE YOU DID ALL THE HARD WORK?>>Councilman Waring: THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 106.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU HAVE TO READ THE TITLE.>>Councilman Waring:>>Clerk: (READING OF TITLE).>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. NEED THE MOTION –>>NO –>>Councilwoman Pastor: GO AHEAD.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 106.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SECOND.>>Councilman Waring: IT WAS WORTH DOING TWICE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: IT IS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK. I KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT FOR TWO YEARS –>>Councilman Waring: I HATE TO BE DISAGREEABLE. I THINK YOU SAID ALL MY EFFORTS. THAT’S — THAT’S GROSSLY, GROSSLY OVERSTATED. I WANT TO THANK MAYOR STANTON FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE TASK FORCE AND ALL OF YOU GUYS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS, ESPECIALLY YOURSELF, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS BUT I DON’T THINK ANYBODY ACTUALLY TOOK THAT SERIOUSLY THAT IT WAS ALL ME. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. IT’S CERTAINLY — WE GOT A GREAT COMMITTEE AND WE ARE I TRYING TO MAKE THIS CITY AND FRANKLY THE STATE TO THE EXTENT WE CAN AS UNPLEASANT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ABUSE AND AGAIN A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS KIDS, WE WANT TO HEIGHTEN THOSE PENALTIES AND MAKE THIS THE MOST UNPLEASANT PLACE TO GET CAUGHT ENGAGING IN THIS HORRENDOUS ACTIVITY. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW MANY VICTIMS WE HAVE HAD AT OUR COMMITTEE. IT’S BEEN SINCE, I THINK, 2013. SO WE’VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. THE STORIES THAT WE HEAR ARE JUST AWFUL. A LOT OF IT INVOLVING KIDS. AND IF YOU ARE OUT THERE AND YOU ARE WATCHING THIS, HOPEFULLY THAT’S UNLIKELY, BUT THIS IS A PRETTY PREVALENT ACTIVITY, IF YOU ARE OUT THERE ENGAGING IN PROSTITUTION ON THE JOHN SIDE OR YOU’RE OUT THERE OR THINK THIS IS COOL OR HARMLESS BECAUSE HOLLYWOOD TOLD YOU SO OR WHATEVER, THAT IS JUST A BUNCH OF HOOEY. IT IS DISGUSTING WHAT GOES ON. IT’S A DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITY. IT’S NOT BUILT GENERALLY AROUND BIG SPORTS EVENTS NECESSARILY BUT IT’S COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE WHAT YOU’RE DOING. YOU SHOULD STOP. IF WE CATCH YOU, IF THIS ITEM INDICATES, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT AS UNPLEASANT FOR YOU AS WE CAN AND I DON’T FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT AT ALL. I KNOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO SPEAK. I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I HOPE IF THEY GET CAUGHT AND THEY GET IN JAIL THEY ANNOUNCE TO THE WHOLE JAIL POPULATION WHAT THEIR OFFENSE WAS. ANOTHER SOURCE OF PUNISHMENT. SEAN SEVERUD? NO MERCY FOR THOSE PEOPLE.>>MAYOR, INTERIM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I DO WANT TO APPLAUD THE COULD YOU BE SILL IN TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS SEX TRAFFICKING EPIDEMIC. UNFORTUNATELY I DO FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY WITH THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WE ARE MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. SEX WORKS DOES NEED TO BE DECRIMINALIZED. IT WILL BE EVENTUALLY YEARS AND YEARS FROM NOW. AND SUBSEQUENTLY NORMALIZED, REGULATED AND TAXED. WE SHOULDN’T BE PROSECUTING PURCHASERS OF THIS SERVICE JUST AS WE SHOULDN’T BE PROSECUTING INDIVIDUALS OFFERING THE SERVICE. YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH THIS SEX WORK BECAUSE OF YOUR MORAL COMPASS, AND I GET THAT, WHETHER IT’S DUE TO YOUR PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS PERSUASION OR OTHERWISE, BUT SOMETIMES IN THE CIVILIZED SOCIETY WE DO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THINGS WE DON’T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH. FOR INSTANCE, HERE TODAY I DID SEE EARLIER, THEY PROBABLY LEFT, BUT I DID SEE MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR LOCAL HATE GROUP. I DON’T AGREE WITH WHAT THEY SAY OR WHAT THEY DO, BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THEIR RIGHT TO BE HEARD AND TO SPEAK. WE CAN’T OUTLAW ALL THOSE WE DISAGREE WITH. PROSTITUTION IS A VICTIMLESS CRIME. IN FACT, IT SHOULDN’T BE A CRIME AT ALL. SEX WORK IS ENORMOUS INDUSTRY AND IT WILL EXIST NO MATTER WHAT. WE ALL KNOW THAT IT’S THE OLDEST PROFESSION IN THE WORLD. WE NEED TO BRING IT OUT OF THE SHADOWS. BY DOING SO WE WILL MAKE IT A SAFE AND REGULATED INDUSTRY IN WHICH SEX WORKERS CAN FEEL SAFE TO REPORT CRIMES TO THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES AND WILL PROVIDE VISIBILITY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PREVENT THOSE TRULY HEINOUS CRIMES SUCH AS SEX TRAFFICKING. AS I’M SURE YOU ALL PROBABLY RECALL FROM PREVIOUS TIMES I HAVE COME HERE I AM VERY MUCH PROGRESSIVE BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I FEEL LIKE THOSE WHO WOULD CONSIDER THEMSELVES FISCAL CONSERVATIVES COULD AGREE WITH PROGRESSIVES ON, RIGHT? THERE IS A TON OF WASTED MONEY GOING TOWARDS PROSECUTING THESE VICTIMLESS CRIMES. SO, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL HEARING ME OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE NEED TO STOP PROSECUTING VICTIMLESS CRIMES. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL.>>COUNCILMAN WARING: LET ME JUST SAY, A LOT OF THE FOLKS WE HAVE MET WHO ARE NOW BY AND LARGE ADULTS, THEY WERE KIDS, 14 YEARS OLD. I THINK THAT’S THE AVERAGE AGE TO START. WHEN I WAS 14 I DIDN’T GET TO PICK MY OWN JOB. I LIVED WITH MY PARENTS. I THINK I WAS A HIGH SCHOOL FRESHMAN. I THINK IT’S A MYTH TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE GO INTO THIS BECAUSE THAT IS A CONSCIOUS CHOICE. THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE LIKE THAT. THERE’S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS, BUT THE PEOPLE WE HEAR FROM, THEY’RE NOT MAKING A CHOICE. THEY GOT SOLD BY THEIR PARENTS OR — I MEAN, I’M NOT THE MOST EMOTIONAL GUY, BUT THERE WAS ONE WOMAN, SHE’S LIVING A LIFE, AND SHE’S IN HER 40s, BUT SHE TOLD HER STORY AND THEN SHE LOOKED AT US AND SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS 14 YEARS OLD. I THINK AN AUNT AND UNCLE SOLD HER FOR DRUGS. SHE SAID THESE ADULTS ALL THIS STUFF TO ME. THEY WERE ADULTS. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? I WAS A KID. IT WAS REALLY HARD TO HEAR THAT. IT’S KIND OF SHOCKING WHAT PEOPLE DO TO EACH OTHER. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY’S GOT A RIGHT TO AN OPINION. I KNOW THAT’S OUT THERE, TOO. IT’S A VICTIMLESS CRIME. I PERSONALLY DISAGREE. I JUST THINK ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME AND HEAR SOME OF THESE STORIES. THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS WHO WOULD COME AND SAY, YEP, I CHOSE THIS AFTER FOUR YEARS AT PRINCETON OR SOMETHING. THERE PROBABLY ARE A COUPLE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT’S A SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IT’S MOSTLY KIDS AND A LOT OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE INVOLVED. WE WILL TRY TO HELP THEM HOW WE CAN. BUT FOOT ADULTS ABUSING THEM, I WOULD MAKE THESE PENALTIES IF I COULD. WE WERE KIND OF CONFINED BY STATE LAW AND OTHER ORDINANCES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR A QUICK COMMENT. I WANT TO THANK JIM FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THIS HAS BEEN YOUR ISSUE EVEN WHEN YOU WERE AT THE LEGISLATURE AND — YOU’VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE YOUR LEADERSHIP FROM THERE TO HERE AND MOVE QUITE A BIT OF THE ISSUES FORWARD FOR THINGS DEALING WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, YOU AND COUNCILWOMAN KATE GALLEGO WORKED ON. IT’S FUNNY, A LOT OF US THINK OF US AS PART SUNS. WHICH WE ARE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING THE PUBLIC WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, AND I THINK WHAT JIM WARING AND COUNCILWOMAN KATE GALLEGO HAVE DONE TO WORK TOGETHER ESPECIALLY ON THESE ISSUES HAS BEEN EXEMPLARY AND I THINK THEY NEED TO BE COMMENDED FOR THE WORK THEY PUT INTO THIS. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?>>Councilman Valenzuela: MAYOR, WHAT A GREAT ITEM TO FINALLY BRING FORTH AND VOTE ON AND SUPPORT, AND I — YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT, COUNCILMAN WARING. YOU HAVE BEEN COMMITTED, AND TO HEAR SOME OF THE STORIES FROM UP HERE THIRD PARTY, WE’VE HAD SOME STUFF, AND WE HAVE AN AMAZING CITY STAFF THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, STARFISH AND OTHER THINGS, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE BACK ON TRACK BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME LAWS THAT ARE BEING ENFORCED IN MANY CASES. THE JOHNS GET OFF PRETTY EASY. AND SO SOME CHANGES HAVE TO BE MADE. SO I’M DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE, BUT I’M ALSO VERY APPRECIATIVE. COUNCILMAN WARING HAS DONE SO MUCH WORK ON THIS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE CARD FROM JAMES DEIBLER WHO IS IN FAVOR BUT DOESN’T WISH TO SPEAK. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I AM ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTING THIS. ANYTHING WE DO TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, BOYS AND GIRLS, FROM THIS TYPE OF ABUSE HAS MY FULL SUPPORT. SO WITH THAT WOULD YOU DO ROLL CALL, PLEASE?>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0. OUR NEXT ITEM, I THINK, IS 109.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE APPROVAL OF 109 AND THEN I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILWOMAN, VICE MAYOR?>>Councilwoman Pastor: REGARDING THIS CONTRACT, IT SAYS AMENDMENT OF EXISTING CONTRACT WITH COMMUNITY BRIDGES, AND AT UP TO 325,000 FROM 2018-2019 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS AND 225,000 IN THE GENERAL FUNDS FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL NAVIGATORS. IT WAS UNDER MY IMPRESSION BACK — THIS IS WHERE I NEED CLARITY — THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE VARIETY OF CONTRACTS FOR HOMELESS OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT OTHER THAN CDI. IS THIS NOT THE CASE?>>GOOD AFTERNOON. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO GOING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD ENSURE AS WE CONTINUE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR OUTREACH AND NAVIGATION SERVICES FOR OUR HOMELESS COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE TAKING THOSE OUT FOR A BID, IF YOU WILL. WE BRING THIS BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THIS WAS TWO ITEMS ACTUALLY ONE THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN OCTOBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OF 2017, AND SO WHAT WE ARE SIMPLY DOING WITH THIS IS ONE THING RELATIVE TO THAT, AMENDING THE CONTRACT, WHICH WE APPROPRIATELY NEEDED TO BASED UPON THE DIRECTION AND VOTE YOU GAVE TO US. AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE BUDGET FOR ’18-19 THE ADDITION OF TWO MORE NAVIGATOR TEAMS AND IN ORDER FOR US TO BRING THOSE ONLINE EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY, WE ARE CHOOSING TO GO WITH CDI, HOWEVER, GOING FORWARD WE WILL ENSURE THAT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL SERVICES WE’RE ISSUING THOSE THREE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, COMPETITIVE PROCESS.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO THE REASON WHY THIS CONTRACT IS BEING AMENDED IS BECAUSE — WHAT I’M INTERPRETING IS YOU ARE SAYING THAT CDI IS THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR AND YOU WANT TO GET FOUR ADDITIONAL NAVIGATOR TEAMS UP AND GOING AND THAT’S WHY IT’S THE CURRENT CONTRACT?>>THAT IS CORRECT, AND IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, WE WARRANT TO GET THEM UP AND GOING IMMEDIATELY. THIS ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILWOMAN?>>Councilwoman Gallego: AND THIS ONE I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE CREDIT TO COUNCILWOMAN STARK WHO HAS BEEN TALKING WITH A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS ABOUT PHX C.A.R.E.S. AND RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT THE ORIGINAL HOURS OF OPERATION WERE HELPFUL BUT OFTEN THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE NEEDED THE MOST SUPPORT WERE OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS, SOMETIMES INCLUDING EVEN INTERACTIONS AND PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO HELP FAMILIES GET TO A SAFE BED. SO CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE EXPANDED HOURS WILL IMPACT — SO, MAYOR WILLIAMS AND COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO, IT — OUR HOURS ARE CURRENTLY FROM 8:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. THIS ALLOWS US THE ABILITY TO SEND MORE TEAMS OUT DURING THOSE PERIODS OF TIME TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE NEED AS WELL AS IT’S GOING TO ALLOW US TO PROVIDE SOME SPECIFIC SERVICES RELATIVE TO NAVIGATION. SO AS WE BRIEFED THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS YOU FIND WITH INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE HOMELESS IT TAKES MULTIPLE TOUCHES AND IT REQUIRES REALLY SPENDING CONSIDERABLE TIME WITH THEM TO BUILD TRUST IN ORDER TO ENGAGE THEM AND MOVE THEM TO SERVICES. SO IT ALLOWS US WITHIN THAT 5:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. TIME FRAME TO HAVE MORE AVAILABILITY OF INDIVIDUALS AS WEALTH AS BE ABLE TO DEDICATE SOME TEAMS DOING THE FOLLOW-UP IF YOU WILL TO DEVELOP THAT TRUST SO WE CAN MOVE MORE INDIVIDUALS INTO SERVICES.>>Councilwoman Gallego: THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI?>>Councilman Nowakowski: MARCHELLE AND STAFF I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND GREAT PROGRAM, COMMUNITY BRIDGES ALLOWS THE CITY TO HAVE A TRACKING DEVICE, AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO FIND OUT WHERE THE MOST NEEDS ARE. I KNOW IN EACH OF OUR DISTRICTS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR MORE SERVICES, MORE TEAMS AND MORE HELP. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND THE GREAT JOB MUCH STEPPING INTO THIS NEW POSITION. YOU JUST RAN WITH IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARCHELLE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 119 AND 120 TOGETHER.>>SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I BELIEVE SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS. COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT OR –>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO, I WAS GENERALLY OKAY WITH 119 BUT I CAN VOTE AGAINST BOTH. I’M VOTING NO ON 120.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THAT’S WHY I BUNDLED IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: IF YOU WANT THAT NEW UNDERPASS NOT TO BE PRETTY, I UNDERSTAND. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 6-2.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. AND THEN –>>Councilman Waring: GO AHEAD.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I WAS LIKE, OKAY. THEN I WOULD LIKE ITEMS 121 AND 122 TO GO TOGETHER.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilman Valenzuela: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN WARING?>>Councilman Waring: I DON’T KNOW IF ARTS GUYS ARE HERE BUT THESE ARE NOT JUST ARTS FEATURES, THEY ARE SAFETY FEATURES AS WELL CORRECT, 121 AND 122?>>YES, INDEED, THESE — BOTH OF THESE ITEMS INCLUDE SAFETY FEATURES.>>Councilman Waring: THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY OTHER? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0, I BELIEVE.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I WANT TO NOTE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT. THANK YOU, JIM.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 129, MOVE APPROVAL.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO I HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN WARING.>>Councilman Waring: AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW WHO IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE.>>Councilman Waring: IF I MAY, SO WE’VE MET ABOUT THIS — THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES SOME DISHARM’ COMMITTEE. FRANKLY I’VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO QUIT. WHERE DOES THIS STAND NOW? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS AND BEST USE. SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN HASN’T BEEN POSITIVE. IT’S BEEN A WHILE, THOUGH, A MONTH OR MORE. AS ANYTHING SORT OF SETTLED DOWN?>>SIMPLY STATED, YES, WE TOOK INPUT FROM YOU, FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WE CONDUCTED A PRESENTATION IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND VETERANS SUBCOMMITTEE AND ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES OF ONE OF THE ITEMS NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING, THAT WAS RESOLVED AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE SPECIFICALLY AS RELATE TO FUNDING FOR WAKE-UP CLUBS.>>Councilman Waring: I APPRECIATE IT. I’M NOT IN PUBLIC SAFETY. I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST AS WE’VE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE FEEDBACK, NOT PERTAINING TO YOU OR STAFF, HAS BEEN A LITTLE CONCERNING. I WILL SUPPORT P BUT CERTAINLY GOING FORWARD I — PERSONALLY I’M SURE WE ALL DO, WE WILL KIND OF LOOK AT THESE ITEMS. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY MAKE SENSE. SOME OF THE FEEDBACK — FROM OUR VOLUNTEERS, THEY’RE JUST TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB, HAVE NO REAL SKIN IN THE GAME OUGHT THAN THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY’RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI AND.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES, MAYOR, I’M TRYING TO — THERE’S AN ITEM ON THE LAVEEN BASEBALL THAT IT WASN’T FULLY GRANTED AND IT’S A BASEBALL LEAGUE THAT WAS CREATED THROUGHOUT IN LAVEEN. WE DON’T HAVE A RECREATIONAL CENTER, SWIMMING POOLS, OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF — YMCA, BOYS & GIRLS CLUBS OUT IN THAT AREA. THERE ARE THREE HIGH SCHOOLS OUT THERE. THEY WERE ASKING FOR A BLOCK GRANT FOR THE LIGHTS, AND THEY WERE GIVEN HALF OF THE GRANT. I WAS WONDERING IF WE CAN GIVE THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE GRANT, AND IT GOES JUST FOR THE LIGHTS OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS THAT GOES TO CESAR CHAVEZ MARK.>>Int. Mayor Williams: IS THAT THE GRANT, PAGE 135, LAVEEN BASEBALL LEAGUE THAT ASKED FOR 10,000, THEY APPROVED 4120?>>Councilman Nowakowski: CORRECT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TO 10?>>Councilman Nowakowski: CORRECT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: VICE MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS?>>Councilwoman Pastor: YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY, NOT THIS VOTE, BUT THE PROCESS OF THE AWARDS AND REALLY LOOKING AT — THERE WAS SUCH DISCERNMENT THIS TIME AROUND AND ME STUDYING THE LIST AND LOOKING AT IT AND THE REASONS WHY, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS — NOT THIS ITEM, BUT LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY AREA REGARDING THIS BLOCK WATCH. REGARDING BLOCK WATCH, NOT THIS ONE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I WAS SOMEWHAT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS AND COMMENTS AND COMPLAINTS, QUITE FRANKLY, AND I OBSERVED, LOOKED AT THE FORMS AND WHATEVER, AND FOUND NOT ALL COMMENTS WERE NOT CORRECT. I ASKED FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THEIR GUIDELINES AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, THAT NEED TO COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AND I WOULD EXPECT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT, WHAT, SEPTEMBER? SHE’S SHAKING HER SAID YES. SO, YES, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU. SO I GUESS THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE TO APPROVE THIS TO INCLUDE COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S REQUEST –>>Councilwoman Pastor: I’LL SECOND IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN DICICCIO IN.>>Councilman DiCiccio: JUST A QUICK ONE. THIS IS THE FIRST I’VE HEARD OF IT, TOO. IT DOESN’T SEEM LOGICAL TO FUND HALF OF SOMETHING WHEN IT NEVER GETS ACCOMPLISHED AT THAT POINT. SO WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT HOW WE COMPLETE PROJECTS, TOO. I DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. THIS IS THE FIRST I HAVE HEARD OF IT, SO I DON’T KNOW THE FULL DEBATE OR WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN THERE. IT JUST DOESN’T SEEM LOGICAL THAT YOU DON’T DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. KIDS, DO I ALWAYS TELL YOU TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME? ALWAYS. EVEN IF IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME AND EFFORT. EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING THEIR BEDS IN THE MORNING, THEY HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, RIGHT?>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU’RE A MEAN DAD.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YEAH, I’M PRETTY STRICT, BUT NOT STRICT AS THEIR MOM. THEIR MOM IS A LOT MORE THAN I AM. ANYWAY, AS WE LOOK FORWARD ON SOME OF THESE, WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT’S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHATEVER THE GOAL THEY LOOKED FOR TO GETTING AND ASKING WHAT THEY REQUESTED FOR. SO THAT’S WHY I’LL BE. THANKS, MAYOR.>>Int. Mayor Williams: JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK, THERE’S SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO COVER THAT RECOMMENDED INCREASE, CORRECT?>>MAYOR WILLIAMS, YES.>>CITY MGR.ZUERCHER: THE AMENDED MOTION WAS TO GO THE FULL AMOUNT FOR LAVEEN BASEBALL LEAGUE, THE FULL 10,000?>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: GOT IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. ITEM 130?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 130. I NEED A SECOND.>>Councilman Nowakowski: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LEONARD CLARK?>>THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR. I HAVE BEEN WITNESS OUTSIDE WHEN FELLOW LIBERTARIANS, OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE MARICOPA COUNTY JAIL, AND THE REASON I AM ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO AND I KNOW YOU WON’T, ON THIS ITEM TO FUND THIS JAIL BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE ANOTHER JAIL TO HOLD OUR PRISONERS IS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS OUT THERE WITH THESE LIBERTARIANS AND OTHER HUMAN RIGHTS PEOPLE HANDING OUT NUTRITION, WATER AND FOAL CALLS, I WAS WITNESS TO THE PRISONERS COMING OUT IN PAUL PENZONE’S JAIL, FORMER JOE ARPAIO’S JAIL, FEMALE PRISONERS COMING OUT, SEEING A PREGNANT LADY BEING DENIED WATER, MEDICATION, DIABETICS, A MAN WHO WAS MENTALLY ILL BEGGING AND PLEADING TO JUST HAVE A DRINK OF WATER AND THE GUARDS SADISTICALLY LAUGHING AS HE HAD TO DRINK OUT OF THE TOILET. OF COURSE, NOT LAST, I’M NOT SURE IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA, IT WAS IN THE MEDIA, THE CITY OF PHOENIX AGREED TO HAVE THE OUT OF COURT SETTLEMENT ON MY FELLOW UNITED STATES ARMY VETERAN MARTY ARTENSIO AS HE WAS THE OBJECT OF SADISTIC TORTURE. HE WAS MENTALLY ILL. SOME PHOENIX OFFICERS UNFORTUNATELY PARTICIPATED IN THAT WHEN THEY WENT OVER TO THE COUNTY JAIL WITH THESE SHERIFFS AND HE WAS TASERED REPEATEDLY, BEAT DOWN, LEFT FOR DEAD, AND, OF COURSE, NOW THERE IS AN OUT OF COURT LAW SETTLEMENT BUT I FEEL THAT THIS JAIL UNDER PAUL PENZONE, I DON’T CARE IF’S A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, SO I WILL MAKE THE DEMOCRATS MAD HERE, MAJOR HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS ARE CONTINUING AT THIS JAIL. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. OUR OFFICERS GO OVER THERE AND THEY ARE — THEIR BEHAVIOR IS INFECTING SOME OF OUR OFFICERS I BELIEVE IN THE WAY THEY CAN TREAT THE PUBLIC AND I UNDERSTAND MY FRIENDS OUT THERE WILL TELL YOU, WELL, LEONARD CLARK, HE JUST WANTS TO BE EASY ON THE CRIMINAL, BUT NONE OF THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME YET. SO THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 133?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 133. IS THERE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Stark: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE. LEONARD CLARK?>>THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LEONARD CLARK, LIVE RIGHT HERE IN PHOENIX. YES, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE — I HOME YOU’LL VOTE ON THIS. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE TELL YOU WHY DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT ANIMALS AND HUMANS, AND, OF COURSE, THAT’S BLACK AND WHITE THINKING, NEW NUANCE, OLD TESTAMENT, STONE THEM, KILL THEM, LETTER OF THE LAW. MANY OF MY FELLOW VETERANS, MANY PEOPLE, THEIR ONLY COMPANIONSHIP IS THE LITTLE DOG. IF YOU ASK PEOPLE WHO HAVE PIT BULLS THEY WILL TELL YOU CAN’T GET BETTER SECURITY THAN THAT. SO I BELIEVE THAT DOGS, CATS, THEY ARE [INDISCERNIBLE] CREATURES AND THEY PROVIDE COMFORT TO MANY PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING, YOU KNOW, EVEN PAIN MEDICATION WON’T WORK. SO I HOPE PEOPLE WILL THANK YOU FOR VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. WE NEED TO BRING DOWN ALL OF THE BABY — BABY KITTENS AND PUPPIES BEING BORN INTO THIS WORLD AND SUFFERING. YOU CAN SEE THEM RUNNING ON THE STREETS. THEY DO FEEL PAIN. I JUST BELIEVE WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HELP THE COUNTY HOW IT TREATS OUR ANIMALS AND THAT COMES DOWN TO US. I KNOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ENFORCING HOPEFULLY AND THE COUNTY SHERIFF PEOPLE WITH THE WATER AND ALL THAT THAT I TRY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR ANIMALS, SO THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU.>>Councilwoman Gallego: MAY I? THANK YOU. EYE I’VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET SOME OF THE ANIMALS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RESCUED AND THAT THE HUMANE SOCIETY HAS NURSED BACK TO HEALTH WHILE IN PROTECTIVE CUSTODY AND IT’S A GREAT SUCCESS STORY. SO THANK YOU TO OUR PARTNERS AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO. ONE OF THEIR FACILITIES IS IN MY DISTRICT AND IT’S SOME POWERFUL SUCCESS STORIES. OUR OFFICERS ALSO CARE A LOT ABOUT THESE ANIMALS AND WANT THE BEST CARE. SO A WIN-WIN TODAY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN?>>Councilwoman Pastor:.>>Councilwoman Stark: A QUICK CLARIFICATION, THIS IS FOR THE ARIZONA HUMANE SOCIETY, THIS IS NOT THE COUNTY ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL?>>Int. Mayor Williams: CORRECT.>>Councilwoman Stark: THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: AND THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH — WE HAVE A COUPLE ANIMAL INVESTIGATORS, ANIMAL ABUSE INVESTIGATORS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER. THEY GO OUT. THEY HAVE — THEY HAVE SEIZED ANIMALS AND CARED FOR THEM. I’M VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: [INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. ITEM 136.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 136, I MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITION OF WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING WILSON SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE ITEMS OF THEIR CONCERN.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILWOMAN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?>>Councilwoman Gallego: I DID. THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROPERTY ACQUISITION BY THE CITY FOR SKY HARBOR AIRPORT. THIS IS IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 8 AND ASK THAT THIS ONE BE CONTINUED AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. THE AIRPORT HAS ACQUIRED A LOT OF PROPERTY IN THE WILSON SCHOOL DISTRICT AND IT’S HAD AN IMPACT ON THEIR OPERATIONS. SO BEEN TALKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THE CONVERSATION PUBLICLY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND GIVE THE CITY MANAGER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS. OR CITY STAFF IF THE AIRPORT WOULD PREFER.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: YES, CONSISTENT WITH THAT, AND I THINK CAPTURED IN THE MOTION, THE AIRPORT WILL BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY BUY LAND AND IT’S TAKEN FROM THE TAX ROLLS FOR THE WILSON SCHOOL DISTRICT, SO WE’LL BE WORKING WITH WHAT’S POSSIBLE UNDER FAA RULES AND WHAT HE CAN DO TO HELP PROTECT THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT’S REVENUE STREAM.>>Councilwoman Gallego: WONDERFUL. ALSO SPOKEN WITH MANAGEMENT ABOUT THE TIME IT TAKES US TO GET THESE PROPERTIES LEASED. WE’VE HAD SOME PROPERTY THAT WE TELL FOLKS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS ABOUT TO BE READY AND SOMETIMES WE MISS OUR SUGGESTED TIME LINE BY MANY MONTHS AND LOSE SOME GREAT TENANTS AND IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE CONSTITUENTS AND RESIDENTS. SO IF YOU LOOK OUGHT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEPS ME UPDATED ON CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND IT’S TRESPASSING, LIQUOR VIOLATIONS, DANGEROUS DRUGS, AND IF WE GET THOSE ACTIVATED I THINK THEY WILL BE SAFER FOR ALL THE COMMUNITY. SO JUST IN TERMS OF METRICS WE’RE GOING TO REALLY LOOK AT REVENUE AND TIME TO MARKET.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: YES, MR. BENNETT AND MISS MACKAY FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND AVIATION ARE WORKING TOGETHER. WE WILL HAVE A REPORT ON THE METRICS AND WORK TO SPEED TIME TO MARKET ON OUR PROPERTIES WHICH WILL ALSO HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO RETURN THOSE PROPERTIES BACK TO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.>>Councilwoman Gallego: WONDERFUL. EVEN IF WE CAN GET THEM LEASED UP AND ACTIVE I THINK THAT’S ALSO IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I NEED A SECOND.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI?>>Councilman Nowakowski: THANK YOU. THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT WANTS TO BUY THIS PROPERTY FOR $3.6 MILLION. THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT FOR $1.8 BACK IN 2012. I’M CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T SEEN ANY TYPE OF PLAN HE FOR WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN, THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY AND CURRENTLY WE’RE IN THIS MASTER PLAN FOR THE 376 ACRES MUCH LAND SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT, AND I KNOW THAT WE HIRED SOMEONE TO DO THIS PLAN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT’S MOVING VERY SLOW AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE PURCHASING PROPERTY FOR ALMOST TWICE THE VALUE OF WHAT IT WAS ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO THAT WE HAVE A PURPOSE FOR IT AND THAT THERE IS A FULL PLAN, NOT JUST BUYING PROPERTY AROUND THE AIRPORT BECAUSE WE MIGHT EXPAND IN THE FUTURE.>>AS COUNCILMAN HAS INDICATED, WE ARE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE PLANS FOR THE ENTIRE NORTHERN AREA AS PART COMPREHENSIVE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND, IN FACT, THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 13th WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS WHAT THE FUTURE PLANS ARE FOR THAT AREA, AND WE WOULD BE SHARING THOSE PLANS WITH THE COMMUNITY AT THAT MEETING. ESSENTIALLY THE ACQUISITIONS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AIRPORT ARE FOR FUTURE AVIATION USES AS THE COUNCIL IS WELL AWARE. SKY HARBOR IS VERY LAND CONSTRAINED FOR THE SIZE OF FACILITY THAT IT IS, AND THAT IS OUR FUTURE OPPORTUNITY FOR AVIATION USES AS WELL AS SOME SUPPORTING USES SUCH AS SOME INDUSTRY AND MANUFACTURING AND OTHER TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS UP THERE ALONG WASHINGTON.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN DICICCIO AND VICE MAYOR.>>Councilman DiCiccio: IT SEEMS TO BE FALLING IN WITH SOME OF THE MARKET BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE’RE GETTING INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS OF COSTS VERSUS WHAT THE CITY PURCHASE FOR ALMOST FALLS IN LINE WITH THE BUY HIGH SELL LOW PHILOSOPHY I HAVE SEEN HERE AT THE CITY OF PHOENIX. WE SHOULD ALWAYS ON ANY PURCHASE MOVING FORWARD, AT LEAST FROM MY END OF IT, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FOR, WHAT YEAR THEY PURCHASED IT FOR AND THEN WHAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS GOING TO BE BUYING IT FOR. 100% INCREASE IN A MATTER OF FIVE YEARS, FIVE-AND-A-HALF YEARS, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT IN THE MARKET TODAY. I JUST HAVEN’T SEEN THAT. THE OTHER POINT, AND I THINK COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI BRINGS IT UP QUITE ELOQUENTLY, UNTIL THERE’S A REAL PLAN IN PLACE, WHY ARE WE DOING ANYTHING? WHY ARE WE PURCHASING ANYTHING UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT THIS PLAN IS? IS THIS STILL IN LINE WITH THE FOURTH RUNWAY THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS BEEN LOOKING AT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS WHERE THE FOURTH RUNWAY WAS GOING TO GO.>>THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO PLANS FOR A FOURTH RUNWAY AT SKY HARBOR. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IS UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW AND BEING UPDATED DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE AN ADDITIONAL RUNWAY WITHIN THE PLANNING HORIZON AS PART OF THAT STUDY. THIS LAND WOULD BE FOR AVIATION SUPPORT SERVICES SUCH AS AIR CARGO DEVELOPMENT, AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, OTHER — FLIGHT KITCHENS, OTHER SUPPORT SERVICES THAT WE ARE OUT OF SPACE FOR, AND AS — YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S EARLIER POINT, THIS FACILITY WE’RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT IT DOES HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT THAT WE, AS SOON AS WE — IF COUNCIL APPROVES AND WE COMPLETE THE ACQUISITION, WE’LL BE WORKING WITH CED TO IMMEDIATELY MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR LEASE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP IT IN PRODUCTIVE USE IMMEDIATELY UPON ACQUISITION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: A FOLLOW-UP. THE PLAN, JUST SAID WE’RE GOING TO BE HOLDING A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS ON WHATEVER THE PLAN IS, CORRECT? SO WHY AREN’T WE WAITING UNTIL WE FINALIZE THE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING AND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. ACTUALLY THE CITY HAS BEEN ACQUIRING PROPERTY UP IN THAT AREA SINCE THE MID-’90s ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS, AND WITH FUTURE AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT THERE’S REALLY TWO STRATEGIES AS TO HOW YOU CAN DO DEVELOPMENT. ONE IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE CITY HAS BEEN PURSUING, WHICH IS ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS WHERE YOU DON’T ACTUAL ACTIVELY GO OUT AND TRY TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES, BUT AS PEOPLE COME TO YOU, IF IT MAKES STRATEGIC SENSE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY, THEN YOU TRY TO PUT INTO IT YOUR PORTFOLIO FOR FUTURE USE. THE OTHER WAY, WHICH USUALLY WINDS UP COSTING A LOT MORE MONEY AND CONSIDERABLY MORE DISRUPTIVE IS TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN AND THEN GO IN AND DO KIND OF A FORCEFUL ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WITH SOME KIND OF BONDED INDEBTEDNESS AND USUALLY A FAR MORE EXPENSIVE A AND A MORE DISRUPTIVE PROCESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I DON’T THINK I’M ADVOCATING FOR AN OUTRIGHT CONDEMNATION PROPOSAL. ALL I AM SEEING IS GOING TO COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S COMMENTS, I THINK IT’S LOGICAL TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AS TO WHAT IT IS WE EXPECT TO SEE AND WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS. SO EVEN IF WE ARE LOOKING TO DOING A VOLUNTARY ACQUISITION AS YOU SAID WE’VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE ’90s, AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE AN IDEA WHERE WE WANT TO GO. I HAVE CONCERNS WHEN SOMEBODY PURCHASES — THAT’S JUST SEPARATE. THAT’S ONE END OF IT. THE OTHER END OF IT IS, AND COUNCILMAN WARING AND I — THANKS — THANKS TO COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI CAUGHT THIS AT THIS — THE $1.8 MILLION PURCHASE PRICE FIVE YEARS AGO. COUNCILMAN WARING CAUGHT ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE THE CITY OF PHOENIX WAS LOOKING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY THE GUY ACQUIRED 12 MONTHS EARLIER –>>NINE.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NINE MONTHS EARLIER AND MORE THAN TRIPLED — THREE TO FOUR TIMES WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO SELL IT TO THE CITY. SO IT WAS A TOTAL FLIP. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM, I JUST DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR IT SOMETIMES IF I DON’T HAVE TO. SO MY CONCERN ON THIS IS GOING TO DEAL WITH THE — I THINK PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE WHAT THEY WANT. WE JUST HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY “YES” OR “NO” TO THAT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT JUST DOESN’T SEEM RIGHT FOR ME. THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THAT. I CAN REMEMBER IN THE EARLY ’90s, MAYBE BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON THE COUNCIL, I WAS ON THE AVIATION BOARD, AND I ALSO CO-CHAIRED WITH MARVIN ANDREWS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MASTER PLAN EARLY IN THE ’90s. IT TOOK, WHAT, TWO YEARS, AND I’M NOT SURE WE EVER DID GET A CONSENSUS ON WHAT THAT PLAN WOULD BE, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED STRONGLY THAT SKY HARBOR IS THE KEY TO ECONOMIC SUCCESS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, AND ESPECIALLY TO THE CITY OF PHOENIX. IF WE GET LANDLOCKED AND WE HAVE NO OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE NEEDS CHANGE, AIRLINES CHANGE, THEIR NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT — I MEAN, NOW SOME OF THEM ARE SERVING MEALS AGAIN. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION POINTS. AND AS WELL AS THE ACCOMMODATIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I JUST THINK IT’S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY. IF YOU HAVE A TOTAL PLAN, IN MY VIEW, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE SET A HIGHER VALUE. AS LONG AS IT’S RATHER OPAQUE AND THEY DON’T KNOW FOR SURE I THINK YOU WILL GET IT MORE REASONABLE. BUT I MET WITH THE OWNER, HE BOUGHT DURING THE RECESSION, AND ACCORDING TO YOUR ESTIMATES THIS IS A FAIR PRICE ON HOW IT WAS VALUED, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I DO BELIEVE IN THE ECONOMIC ENGINE OF THE CITY, BUT WHO OUT THERE DOESN’T KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING THIS? I MEAN, ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THIS IS ALREADY OCCURRING. SO IF THERE IS A BUILT-IN INFLATION AND VALUE, IT’S ALREADY OCCURRED. THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS IN THEIR MINDS. AT THE VERY LEAST THE COUNCIL OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE OUT OF THAT AREA. I MEAN, TO THINK WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE’RE SENDING A STRAW MAN OUT THERE TO PURCHASE IT, THAT’S JUST NOT HAPPENING. I MEAN, IT JUST ISN’T HAPPENING. I KNOW SOME CITIES DO IT AND SOME PLACES DO THAT, THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO SEE AN OVERINFLATED VALUE. THIS AREA KNOWS THIS ALREADY. ALL I’M SAYING TO COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S POINT, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHAT WE’RE ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY FOR.>>Councilman Nowakowski: JUST LAST COMMENT. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE BOUGHT OUT FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, FOUR HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS, 120 ACRES OF LAND STILL SITTING OUT THERE AND WE REALLY DON’T HAVE A MASTER PLAN. WE’RE STILL WORKING ONE FOR THAT COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE ARE GOING TO BUY SOMETHING, AND ESPECIALLY IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST DOUBLED THE PRICE. AT ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS TIMES TWO EQUALS 3.6. DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THERE’S ANY TYPE OF NEGOTIATION. YOU JUST DOUBLED THE PRICE OF WHAT THAT PERSON BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. I WAS ADDING IT UP RIGHT NOW AND I DON’T THINK THERE’S THAT MUCH NEGOTIATION. I BELIEVE THAT WE ONLY HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY AND OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS I HAVE BEEN HEARING FAMILIES FROM THE WEST PART OF THE AIRPORT THAT WHOLE SACRED HEART, BRAUN SACRED HEART — BROWNE’S ISSUES HOW WE WENT IN THERE, HOW WE WENT IN THERE, DISRUPTED FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND STILL DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPLACE IT. WE’RE BARELY AFTER 33 YEARS TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN CPLC, SACRED HEART CHURCH AND THE DIOCESE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE 33 YEARS FROM NOW WE’RE NOT IN THE SAME SITUATION WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DOUBLE PAID THE PRICE FOR.>>WHEN AVIATION ACQUIRES PROPERTY ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS WE ARE BOUND BY COMPLYING WITH OUR FEDERAL GUIDELINES ON PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS THAT SOMEWHAT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE ON THE VALUES. WE HAVE SOME GUIDELINES ON THE APPRAISAL PROCESS AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE THE JUST COMPENSATION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT WHEN WE ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY THAT IT NOT BE A LESS THAN WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE JUST COMPENSATION. IN TERMS OF THE APPRECIATION ON THE VALUE, PERHAPS THE APPRAISERS’ OFFICE COULD ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS ON THE APPRECIATION.>>MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, JAMIE SPEAR, REAL ESTATE. THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 2012. AT THAT TIME THE PROPERTY HAD SAT VACANT FOR TWO YEARS. SO WE CONSIDERED IT A DISTRESSED SALE, WHEN YOU ARE COMPARING IT TO OTHER PROPERTIES THAT SOLD AT THAT TIME. AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY THE CURRENT OWNER, IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE. ON TOP OF THAT, RUNNING A REPORT SHOWS THAT PROPERTY IN THE AREA HAD APPRECIATED 40%. SO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT APPRAISAL WE HAVE. ANY APPRAISALS THAT ARE SIX TO 12 MONTHS OLD WE CONSIDER UPDATING THOSE FOR CURRENT DATA VALUE.>>Councilman Nowakowski: MAYOR, MY CONCERN IS WE JUST PROVED NO LESS THAN 423 FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AVIATION OWNS, RIGHT OFF 24th STREET AND WASHINGTON, WHICH IS JUST BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I’M NOT SURE WHY THERE’S SUCH A DIFFERENCE IN THE VALUE OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY VERSUS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A HISTORIC BUILDING ON THERE AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A WAREHOUSE WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO DEMO IN THE FUTURE ANYWAY. I MEAN — DEMO IN THE FUTURE. IT DOESN’T ADD UP AS A LAYPERSON SITTING HERE, NOT KNOWING THAT MUCH ABOUT REAL ESTATE, BUT TWO BLOCKS DOWN THE STREET IT’S FOR 423 WE’RE SELLING AND NOW WE’RE TURNING AROUND AND BUYING PROPERTY FOR $3.6 MILLION. IT’S KIND OF CONFUSING.>>Int. Mayor Williams: VICE MAYOR?>>EACH PROPERTY IS UNIQUE, AND AS FAR AS LIKE THE BANK BUILDING, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THE PROPERTY WE ARE ACQUIRING IS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. SO THEY WOULD NOT BE COMPARED WHEN DOING AN APPRAISAL. EACH APPRAISAL TAKES A LOT OF WORK OBVIOUSLY. WE PULL COMPARABLES IN THAT WE CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCES TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE APPRAISER USES COMPARABLES IN HIS APPRAISAL. I HAVE ALSO EVALUATED EIGHT INDEPENDENT OF MANY, WHICH ALL SUPPORT THE VALUE. AS FAR AS COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER PROPERTY — AS FAR AS COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER PROPERTY, IT WOULD NOT BE COMPARABLE BECAUSE IT’S NOT THE SAME TYPE OF PROPERTY.>>Councilwoman Pastor: WHAT WAS THE APPRAISAL VALUE? OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY WE ARE SPEAKING OF.>>3,626,000.>>Councilwoman Pastor: AND WE ARE PURCHASING IT, I BELIEVE, FOR –>>THE SAME AMOUNT.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN VALENZUELA?>>Councilman Valenzuela: I THANK YOU, MAYOR. WOULD LIKE TO FIRST MENTION I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ITEM. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I THINK EVERYONE IS DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. WE ALL DUTY BEST WE CAN WITH THESE POSITIONS. BUT I THINK WE COULD PICK ANY ONE OF THE 223 ITEMS IN THIS PACKET THAT WE’RE VOTING ON AND I GUESS THE LAYPERSON MAY NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY — AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. WE’RE NOT REALTORS. I KNOW THAT DIRECTOR BENNETT HAS VETTED THIS THROUGH, PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT. I THINK TWO BLOCKS OVER — WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE LIVE IN. I DON’T KNOW IF I COULD AFFORD TO LIVE TWO BLOCKS OVER FROM MY PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT’S NOT APPLES TO APPLES. THERE’S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. I KNOW THAT MY TEAM, LISA, IS HERE, MY CHIEF OF STAFF HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB AS WELL. I CHAIR THE DOWNTOWN AVIATION, ECONOMY AND INNOVATION SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. HEARING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: NO.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: NO.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. IS IT 4-4? IT FAILS. WE WILL GO TO ITEM 141.>>Clerk: 137.>>Councilwoman Pastor: 137. SORRY. ITEM 137, MOVE — MAKE A MOTION FOR 137. I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MY QUESTION ON THIS WAS, WASN’T THERE A PAST CONTRACT VERY SIMILAR TO THIS NATURE THAT WAS PASSED FOR THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES RECENTLY?>>THE RECENT CONTRACT THAT I THINK YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS FOR A FINANCIAL ADVISOR THAT WORKS WITH THE CITY’S FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND AVIATION ON OUR BOND ISSUES AND ALSO WITH OTHER FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS. THIS IS THE AIRPORT CONSULTANT — CONSULTING CONTRACT THAT ADVISES US AND WORKS WITH US AS WE NEGOTIATE OR GO THROUGH OUR ANNUAL — OUR BIENNIAL AIRLINE RATES AND CHARGES CALCULATIONS AND THEN ALSO STUDIES THE FEASIBILITY OF VARIOUS CAPITAL PROGRAMS THAT WE MAY HAVE A NEED FOR AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THAT THOSE ARE FEASIBLE GIVEN OUR MARKET DEMOGRAPHICS AND FORECASTS FOR FUTURE GROWTH.>>SO WHAT I’M UNDERSTANDING OR HOW I’M INTERPRETING IT, THIS IS A CONSULTANT — I AM GOING TO GET A SECTION OF IT — THAT’S GOING TO SEE IF IT’S FEASIBLE FOR BONDING AND SEE IS PROJECTS CAN GO FORWARD AND IF IT’S IN THAT WORLD OF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT?>>AND TO — LAYER, TO COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR, YES, IN FACTS, ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS THAT THIS CONSULTANT REPAIRS IS WHAT THE REPORT AIRPORT CONSULTANT, WHICH ANALYZES EVERYTHING ABOUT THE METROPOLITAN PHOENIX AREA, THE AIRPORT AND AIR SERVICE ENVIRONMENT TO DETERMINE THE FEASIBILITY OF ANY PROGRAM THAT WE MAY BE PROPOSING AND TO WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A FEASIBLE ENDEAVOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE PUT AN RFP OUT FOR — ON 24th STREET REGARDING PARKING, POSSIBLY A HOTEL, ALL OF THAT. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, SO THAT WENT OUT AS AN RFP AND SOMEBODY TO BID ON IT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE ITEMS WITHIN THE AIRPORT THAT WE OWN AND THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY A REFINANCING OR BONDING ONCE AGAIN FOR SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCY.>>EXPANDING.>>Councilwoman Pastor: EXPANDING.>>MAYOR, TO THE COUNCILWOMAN, THAT WOULD BE THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.>>Councilwoman Pastor: WHAT WOULD THIS PIECE BE, THEN? I’M GETTING CONFUSED NOW.>>FOR INSTANCE, ON THE –>>Councilwoman Pastor: GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE.>>AN EXAMPLE, ON THE SKY TRAIN THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER WAY AS WELL AS TERMINAL 3 MODIFICATION AND THE PROPOSED CONCOURSE FOR SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, THEY DO AN ANALYSIS OF OUR MARKET, OUR PASSENGER ACTIVITY, THE FORECASTED GROWTH OF THE AIRLINES, THEY COME BACK TO US AND TELL US WHAT THE PHONE ESSENTIAL IMPACTS ARE ON AIRLINE RATES AND CHARGES GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE WE CAN AFFORD THIS, STAY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET. THEY PREPARE A REPORT ON THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE PHOENIX METROPOLITAN AREA, EXPECTED GROWTH AND THE ECONOMY HERE, AND THEN THEY PACKAGE THAT UP INTO A FEASIBILITY REPORT THAT THEN THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR CAN USE TO DETERMINE A BOND STRUCTURE THAT MIGHT, IN FACT, ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAM.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO WE NEED TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONSULTING SERVICES IS WHAT I’M HEARING. WE NEED A FINANCIAL AND THEN WE NEED A FEASIBILITY STUDY.>>THAT IS CORRECT, TWO SEPARATE PORTFOLIOS OF RESPONSIBILITIES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW TO 141.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE APPROVAL OF 141.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. QUESTIONS?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I PULLED THIS ONE. ON THIS ONE COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT EXACTLY THE NEEDS ARE FOR THE SERVICES AND HOW WAS THE SCOPE AND CONTRACT AMOUNT DETERMINED?>>YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO THIS IS A — THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT IS ACTUALLY A STAFF AUGMENTATION PROGRAM AND THEY PROVIDE VARIOUS SKILL SETS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO HELP US ADMINISTER OUR $2 BILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE UNDER WAY. SO THEY DO COST ESTIMATING, THEY ARE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS, THEY ARE QUALITY CONTROL EXPERTS, THEY REVIEW PAYMENTS THAT THE CONTRACTORS SUBMIT TO MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS. AND THEN, IMPORTANTLY, IN THIS AGREEMENT — OR THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN CERTAIN SKILL SETS FOR CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIMES. AIRPORTS AND PHOENIX HAS BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. YOU DO THIS IN ORDER TO KEEP FROM STAFFING UP WHEN YOU HAVE A MAJOR PROGRAM SUCH AS WE HAVE UNDER WAY TODAY AND THEN WHEN THAT PROGRAM IS OVER YOU’RE LOOKING TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH ALL OF THESE STAFF. SO YOU THEREFORE CONTRACT THAT SERVICE OUT TO THESE EXPERTS. SO THE SCOPE IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SCOPE THAT’S BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. SO THERE’S NOT REALLY A CHANGE IN THE SCOPE. IT’S JUST THAT THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM CONTRACTS ARE EXPIRING AT THE END OF THE JUNE AND WE NEEDED A NEW FIRM TO REPLACE THEM.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. I BELIEVE THAT’S 8-0.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULDN’T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT 143, 144 AND 145 TOGETHER. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUES.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON 143, 144, 145. NO COMMENTS? OKAY.>>Councilwoman Gallego: I THINK — CONGRATULATIONS TO SKY HARBOR. IT’S WONDERFUL NEWS THAT WE SHARED YESTERDAY ABOUT CONDOR EXTENDING THEIR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE NONSTOP DIRECT SERVICE BETWEEN PHOENIX AND CONTINENTAL EUROPE. WE’VE HAD A LOT OF GREAT WINS ON INTERNATIONAL AIR SERVICE EXPANSION. SO MIGRATIONS TO THE TEAM AT SKY HARBOR.>>Int. Mayor Williams: JIM, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF INTERNATIONAL ROUTE TO SKY HARBOR, DO WE GAIN IN THE ECONOMY IN THIS AREA?>>MAYOR, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, THE AVERAGE EXPENDITURE OF AN INTERNATIONAL VISITOR ON A DAILY BASIS ON ONE OF THESE FLIGHTS WHEN THEY VISIT PHOENIX IS ABOUT $1500 TO $2,000 PER VISITOR, AND IT ACCOUNTS TO, I BELIEVE, IT’S ABOUT 3 BILLION ABOUT THE TOTAL OF INTERNATIONAL — ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE INTERNATIONAL ROUTES OVER A YEAR AT SKY HARBOR.>>Int. Mayor Williams: AND I’VE HEARD, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ROUTE IS, ANYWHERE FROM 100 TO $200 MILLION PER ROUTE IT CAN ADD TO OUR ECONOMY. I GUESS I HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM. IF WE WANT THEM TO COME, ACTUALLY OUR PROGRAM IS NOT AS LUCRATIVE TO AIRLINES AS MANY OF OUR COMPETITIVE CITIES ARE. I COMMEND YOU FOR NEGOTIATING THE AGREEMENT YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN FREE BUT YOU HAVE GIVEN SOME INCENTIVES TO COME HERE, ESPECIALLY HELPING WITH ADVERTISING AND PROMOTING THE NEW ROUTE. SO I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL?>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 6-2, I BELIEVE.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 154. HE.>>Councilwoman Gallego: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE A CARD. JAMES DEIBLER. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.>>HELLO. I AM JAMES DEIBLER. I LIVE IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY OF PHOENIX TO FIX CRACKED SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE GETTING INJURED EVERY DAY WHEN THEY WALK OR RUN WITHIN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. TWO MONTHS AGO I GOT INJURED ON A PUBLIC SIDEWALK AT 7th STREET AND MISSOURI NEAR THE WALGREENS. LAST MONTH I HAD SURGERY ON MY ELBOW TO PUT SIX SCREWS AND ONE PLATE ON ME. BUT MY RECOVERY IS DOING GOOD. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE PHOENIX RESIDENTS TO REPORT CRACKED SIDEWALKS TO AVOID INJURIES, TO MAKE SURE THE SIDEWALKS ARE SAFE. THANKS FOR THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU.>>Councilman Valenzuela: GLAD YOU’RE DOING WELL, JAMES.>>INT. MAYOR WILLIAMS: DO WE HAVE A –>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MOVE APPROVAL OF 154.>>SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?>>Councilman DiCiccio: I AM GOING TO BE VOTING AGAINST THIS. THIS IS PUTTING — THIS IS SPENDING ALMOST LITERALLY JUST 84 CENTS OFF OF SPENDING $350,000 TO PUT TOGETHER A MANUAL. THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A HEAD SCRATCHER. THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY OF PHOENIX IN THE PAST HAS PUT TOGETHER THEMSELVES. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING $350,000 OF YOUR MONEY ON PUTTING TOGETHER A MANUAL. IT JUST — I THINK KIM LEA HORNE IS A GREAT COMPANY, I THINK THEY ARE FANTASTIC, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I JUST — I — THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A HEAD SCRATCHER AND I PUT THIS IN THE LINE OF GOVERNMENT WASTE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I THINK I’M PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN ADAMANT WE NEEDED TO DO THIS. WHEN I REALIZED THE FACT THAT WE HAD COMPLETE STREETS PLAN A BIKE MASTER PLAN, A PLANPHX PLAN, A WALKABLE URBAN CODE, A DOWNTOWN CODE, A TREE AND SHADE MASTER PLAN, A DOWNTOWN PHOENIX COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND A REINVENT PHOENIX PLAN THAT HAD NOT BEEN COORDINATED BY STAFF, IT WAS DONE BY SEPARATE CITIZEN COMMITTEES, AND I SAID, PLEASE STOP, BECAUSE UNTIL WE KNOW THOSE PLANS ARE COMPATIBLE, WHAT THE COST IS FOR THOSE PLANS, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE IT IN SOME FASHION, AT LEAST OVERLAY THEM AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH THAT THEY APPLY TO ALL AREAS OF THE CITY AND NOT JUST TO A SMALL AREA. SO I AM ONE THAT HAS REALLY PUSHED FOR THIS. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT, SAL, AND THAT’S THE ROBE WHY — I DON’T TO HAVE TO PUT IN A STREET AND TEAR IT OUT BECAUSE IT DOESN’T WORK. I KNOW WHERE YOU’RE COMING FROM, BUT I DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THIS ALL HAPPENED WITHOUT COORDINATION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR, MAY I RESPOND? I AGREE, THEY ALL SHOULD BE COORDINATED, BUT EVERYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT ARE ALL WRITTEN PLANS. THEY’RE ALREADY IN PLACE. IT’S MESHING ALL THOSE PLANS TOGETHER SHOULD NOT BE $350,000. IT’S NOT LOGICAL TO ME — YOU HAVE — I THINK YOU OUTLINED FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN PLANS THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS CURRENTLY, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS DONE AND CAN DO AND THERE’S JUST NO REASON TO SPEND THIS MUCH MONEY ON MESHING A PLAN. THEY’RE NOT EVEN STARTING FROM SCRATCH. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS CREATING A DOCUMENT BASED OFF PLANS ALREADY WRITTEN. IT’S JUST NOT LOGICAL TO ME, MAYOR. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE A STREET RIPPED UP BUT THE LOGIC HERE IS ILLOGICAL.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THIS 350 — AND I VOTED ON IT, SO — IN SUBCOMMITTEE. MY QUESTION IS, WE DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY OF DOING THIS WITHIN OUR SCOPE — WITHIN OUR EMPLOYEES? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY WAS WORKING IN A VERY SILOED FASHION AND EVERYBODY WAS THEN RUNNING OFF AND DOING OR HAVING COMMUNITY INPUT OR COMMUNITY COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WRITING ALL THESE PLANS, AND THEN NOBODY WAS THERE TO COORDINATE ALL THE PLANS AND — AND BASICALLY OVERLAPPING AND HAVING A MANUAL REGARDING IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ONE OF MY PROBLEMS IS THEY WERE ACTING INDEPENDENTLY, BROUGHT TO US ONE AT A TIME, AND WE HAD NO IDEA AS A COUNCIL ALL OF THIS WAS OCCURRING.>>THE ANSWER IS WE DO NOT HAVE THE STAFF AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PLANS OURSELVES. HOWEVER, WHAT WE DO NEED TO DO ON THIS IS MAKE SURE WE’RE DOING A VERY TIGHT COORDINATION ON THIS AND OVERSEE — WHAT THIS CONSULTANT WILL DO IS COMB THROUGH THE PLANS AND LOOKING FOR ANY OF THOSE CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE VARIETY OF PLANS THE MAYOR MENTIONED AND IDENTIFY THOSE CONFLICTS WITH US. THEY WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH OUR STAFF ON A TECHNICAL ADVISORY TEAM THAT WILL INCLUDE A VARIETY MUCH STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE ARCHITECT COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS OUR MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS AND INTERNAL CITY DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE ALL THAT COMES OUT COHESIVELY. THEN WHEN THERE ARE CONFLICTS IT GOES THROUGH THAT GROUP FIRST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR A FINAL DECISION. WE’RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THIS MANUAL, UNLIKE THE ONE DONE 10 YEARS AGO, BE VERY VISUAL, VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND READABLE TO OUR CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS DOING WORK IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX, AND THEN ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL AT THE END OF THE WORK ONCE IT’S COMPLETED.>>JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP, THEN, SO WHAT I HEARD IN BUREAUCRATIC LINGO IS THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN LOOKING AT ALL THE PLANS AND MAKING SURE THEY WERE ALL COMPATIBLE WHEN SOMEONE CAME IN WITH A PROJECT. IS THAT HOW IT’S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST?>>MAYOR –>>Councilman DiCiccio: IF SO — GO AHEAD.>>MAYOR, COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, YOU KNOW, THEY DO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THEM TO MAKE SURE BUT WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE — WE’RE CONCERNED THAT THERE ARE GAPS BETWEEN THE PLANS AND THAT IS ONE OF THE INTENTS, IS TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM AND FROM THIS TIME FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALL IN COMPLIANCE.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AGAIN, ONE, THERE’S MULTIPLE AREAS WHERE THIS COULD GO. ONE, THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS JUST LITERALLY ADMITTING IT’S NOT DOING IT RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO STREET PROJECTS, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT’S A VERY SIMPLE THING TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PLANS. THAT’S WHAT YOU DO. AND TO BE ABLE TO COMPILE THOSE PLANS, PUT THEM TOGETHER, THE CITY — 10 YEARS AGO DID THEM, THEY CAN DO THEM NOW. I’M JUST HEARING THEY MAY NOT WANT TO DO THIS. THAT’S WHAT I HEAR. I WOULD JUST — I WOULD SAY THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN DO. IT’S JUST NOT LOGICAL TO SPEND $350,000 ON SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE MESHED.>>Councilwoman Stark: ISN’T A LOT OF THIS TO ALSO LOOK AT THE DETAIL OF THE STREET ITSELF AND HOW WE DESIGN IT, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE BIGGER VEHICLES — WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LANE WIDTHS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SHARING THE ROADS WITH BICYCLISTS AND HOW TO MAKE IT SAFER. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK AND WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK FOR PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE ALSO LOOKED AT IS ADDITIONAL SHADE BECAUSE THE CITY WE LIVE IN, OUR BATTLE CRY IS MORE SHADE. SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE’RE GOING TO LOOK AT, MY UNDERSTANDING, IS TO LOOK AT THOSE KIND OF DETAILS AND HOW TO INTEGRATE IT IN THE RIGHT WAY WE ASK IT FOR FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, HOW DO WE MAKE 55 FEET OF ROADWAY DEDICATION WORK? SO IS THAT PART OF IT AS WELL?>>THAT IS PART OF IT, IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THAT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE BACK TO THE DEVELOPERS, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WHO DOES THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORK AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE AN EASILY ACCESSIBLE PLAN ANNUAL TO GO BACK TO GET THAT INFORMATION.>>Councilwoman Stark: I THINK THERE HAS ALSO BEEN CHANGED IN THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT IN THE WAY WE DESIGN OUR SIDEWALKS AND CURBS AND THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW.>>Int. Mayor Williams: VICE MAYOR?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING YOUR STATEMENT. WHAT DO THEY DO NOW? BECAUSE THE STATEMENT WAS THIS WOULD BE A MANUAL THEY COULD GO TO TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TO DO. WHAT DO THEY DO NOW? AND — HANG ON — MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WE’RE UPDATING THIS. WHAT WAS THE COST 10 YEARS AGO? AND WHO DID IT?>>MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR PASTOR, THE DOCUMENT DONE IN 2009 WAS DONE INTERNALLY. THERE WAS A STAKEHOLDER GROUP, A TECH GROUP OF — WHETHER I SPOKE WITH STAFF, I WASN’T IN STREETS THEN, BUT IN DISCUSSION WITH THEM, THERE WAS A TECH GROUP THAT HAD SERIES OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHO PROVIDED INPUT. TO GO ALONG WITH COUNCILWOMAN STARK’S COMMENT, WE ARE A CHANGING CITY WITH OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION NOW. WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR STREETS TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THEM MORE EFFECTIVE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR PAVEMENT SO THIS DOCUMENT, THIS USER-FRIENDLY MANUAL, WILL HELP US IN OUR DAILY DECISION-MAKING IN PROVIDING A MORE EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT STILL DOESN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION SHE ASKED. WHAT DO YOU DO NOW?>>RIGHT NOW WE USE THIS DOCUMENT BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT OUR OTHER NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE. WE ALSO CONFORM WITH OUR WALKABLE URBAN CODE AND OTHERS AND WORK WITH WITH OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ON ITEMS OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.>>Councilman DiCiccio: WHAT DON’T YOU DO THAT THIS DOCUMENT WILL HELP YOU DO?>>City Mgr. Zuercher: I THINK WHAT THEY DO NOW IS THEY HAVE A 10-YEAR-OLD DOCUMENT THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THE PLANS THAT THE MAYOR READ OFF, AND SO I DON’T THINK IT’S THAT STAFF DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT. IF SATISFY DOES IT, IT WILL TAKE US LONGER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE FROM DOING THINGS THEY ARE DOING NOW TO DO IT. IT WON’T BE AS USER-FRIENDLY BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN DOING THESE MANUALS. SO IT WILL TAKE US LONGER. IT WON’T BE AS USEFUL PROBABLY. SO I THINK THAT’S THE TRADE-OFF.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AGAIN IT GOES INTO WHAT DON’T YOU DO NOW THAT THIS MANUAL WILL HELP YOU DO?>>IF I MAY JUMP IN, AS MR. ZUERCHER POINTED OUT, THIS IS A 10-YEAR-OLD DOCUMENT THAT WE’RE WORKING ON THAT PROVIDES ESSENTIALLY THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR ALL THE CITY STREETS, AND LOOKING AT ALL — HOW ALL OF THE PLANS THAT HE CITY HAS, WHICH CURRENTLY THE CITY HAS TO GO TO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS TO SEEK THE DIRECTION ON THE SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE IN PLACE. SO THAT’S HOW THAT ESSENTIALLY IS BEING DONE NOW. THIS IS GOING TO BRING ALL OF THAT IN. SO IN A LOT OF CASES WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS PLANS THAT ARE ASPIRATIONAL AND THIS THE DETAILED DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT HELP IMPLEMENT THE DIRECTION IN THOSE PLANS. BUT AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, MAYOR WILLIAMS, IT’S ESSENTIAL THAT AS WE INCORPORATE THIS AND UPDATE THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE PLANS WHICH WERE DEVELOPED OVER MANY YEARS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE DO OUR BEST TO COORDINATE, SOMETIMES THE PLANS CAN COME ACROSS AND SAY DIFFERENT THINGS OR WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL AREAS WHERE POTENTIAL CONFLICT EXISTS OR WE NEED TO REFINE THE DIRECTION. SO THAT’S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS AND BRING THOSE AREAS FORWARD AS WE GO ABOUT UPDATING THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE STREETS THAT ARE INTENDED TO HELP ALL THE DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTORS AND SO FORTH THAT ARE ACTUALLY BUILDING THOSE STREETS.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AGAIN, I’M ASKING THE QUESTIONS, WHAT SPECIFIC THING DON’T WE DO RIGHT NOW THAT THIS MANUAL WILL HELP US DO? DON’T WE ALREADY PROVIDE DETAILED DESIGN DRAWINGS WHEN STREETS ARE DONE — NOT DONE, BUT IN THE PLANNING STAGES? ISN’T THAT ALREADY DONE? WHAT DON’T WE DO THAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP US DO?>>TO HOPEFULLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INSTANCES NOW WITHIN THE CITY WHERE — THAT SHOW A CHANGING ENVIRONMENT. ALONG THE GRAND CANAL IN WHICH WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A PROJECT NOW, WE ARE IN NEED OF PROVIDING DETAILS ON CONNECTIONS THAT CROSS MAJOR ARTERIALS. WELL, THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS TO HANDLE THAT, AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DETAILS AND SPECIFIC INFORMATION INTO DESIGN GUIDELINES WHEN WE LOOK TO OTHER CANAL CROSSINGS TO IMPLEMENT THE SAME TYPE OF FEATURE. IN ADDITION, WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT — THE EMPHASIS WOULD BE ON SAFETY. WE’VE SEEN THAT AT THE FOREFRONT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT WOULD BE ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS DOCUMENT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: SO WE DON’T HAVE ANY MECHANISM IN PLACE TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO AND TO MESH THESE PLANS TOGETHER AND THERE’S NO WAY OF PROVIDING SAFETY? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ME WE DON’T DO THAT RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION, WHAT WE DON’T DO.>>WE DO RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER BEST PRACTICES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT, THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO OUR WAY OF DOING THINGS.>>Councilman DiCiccio: BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT THIS PLAN IS DOING? PARDON ME?>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT’S WHAT THIS MANUAL IS DOING. MOST OF IT IS JUST MESHING PLANS WE HAVE IN PLACE.>>ACTUALLY, THIS PLAN IS GOING TO COMBINE ALL OF THOSE. SO IT IS — IT’S GOING TO LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES NATIONWIDE, THE THINGS — THE PLANS THAT WE DON’T CURRENTLY HAVE AS MARK MENTIONED FOR DESIGN MECHANISMS LIKE CANALS WHERE WE’RE THE ONLY ONE — ONLY CITY THAT HAS A LOT OF CANALS AND THAT’S NOT A NATIONAL STANDARD. IT’S ALSO LOOKING AT ALL THE REST OF THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER AS WELL AS THE STREET CLASSIFICATION MAPS. SO IT’S LOOKING AT ALL THE VARIETY OF THEM TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR FOR OUR CONTRACTORS TO GO TO ONE PLACE. AND, COUNCILMAN, YOU MENTIONED, SO HOW ARE THEY DOING IT TODAY? SO WHEN THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO LOOK IF FIVE DIFFERENT PLACES TO GET THAT INFORMATION OR MORE THAN THAT, AND IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETE, AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, ONE, WE WANT TO MAKE OUR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT BE MORE COST-EFFECTIVE IN PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR PLANS BY HAVING ONE PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO TO TO GATHER THE INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU ARE OUR GUIDELINES WOULD BE SO THAT THEY CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR PLANS AND GET THEM APPROVED BY THE CITY OF PHOENIX.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU PUT ALL OF THE PLANS TOGETHER DOWNTOWN, YOU CAN’T HAVE CARS. IF YOU PUT ALL THOSE PLANS TOGETHER THE WAY THEY ARE TODAY, THE WAY THEY’RE WRITTEN, YOU WON’T HAVE ANY CARS DOWNTOWN. AND THAT DOES NOT MAKE OUR BUSINESSES — IT DOESN’T MAKE PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHOUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION VERY HAPPY, BUT THAT’S WHAT’S OCCURRED IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENED. COUNCILWOMAN STARK AND THEN I’LL COME BACK.>>Councilwoman Stark: I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME NEW WAYS OF THINKING. I THINK THIS DESIGN MANUAL WILL HELP US. FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF OUR LOCAL STREETS ARE 50 FEET WIDE, AND THEY’RE RACEWAYS, AND THEY’RE JUST NOT SAFE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO THROUGH SOME OF OUR COMMITTEE WORK WE’VE TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT LIKE A 45-FOOT-WIDE STREET AND HOW DO WE PARK HEAVY ON-SITE PARKING, HOW DO WE SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC SO KIDS PLAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SAFE. HE ALMOST EVERY LOCAL STREET YOU SEE THOSE LITTLE SIGNS THAT SAY DON’T SPEED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, CHILDREN AT PLAY. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO RETHINK THE WAY WE LOOK AT DESIGNS OF OUR STREETS. WE ALSO ARE IN AN AGE OF LYFT AND UBER AND SO MAYBE WE DON’T NEED AS MUCH PARKING. MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT A WAY TO DESIGN OUR RIGHT-OF-WAYS TO DROP OFF PEOPLE. I KNOW — MY KIDS BEING MILLENNIALS, THEY REALLY DO RELY ON UBER AND LYFT. IT’S A NEW WAY OF THINKING. I THINK THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE WAY WE DESIGN OUR STREETS GIVEN THE CHANGE OF TECHNOLOGY AND CHANGE OF LIFESTYLE. I THINK IT’S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK THIS MANUAL CAN HELP US. AND I THINK IT REALLY IS GOING TO HELP HAVING THE DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY IN THERE. BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE HOME BUILDERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GOING TO 45 OR 40 FOOT STREET. I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD. I LIVE ON NARROW STREET, I LIVE ON A PRIVATE STREET. IT’S VERY NARROW AND PEOPLE DRIVE VERY SLOWLY. IT’S VERY SLOWLY. THERE IS A CALMING FEATURE WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND A LOT OF THOSE STUDIES HAVE TALKED BIT BUT THEY’RE ALL TALKING DIFFERENTLY AND SO IF WE CAN BRING THEM TOGETHER AND REALLY DESIGN A MANUAL THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY CAN WORK UPON, I THINK IT’S A GREAT THING. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN STARK JUST MENTIONED. I THINK THIS IS ABOUT EVOLVING. WE HAVE ALL THESE PLANS. IT’S NOT JUST MESHING THEM TOGETHER. YES, THAT’S PART OF IT, BUT MOVING FORWARD HOW DO WE MANAGE ALL THESE PLANS. IF YOU TALK TO OUR CONSTITUENCY WHO COMES OUT TO ANY OF THE PLANNING EXERCISES WE HAVE, WHETHER IT’S 19 NORTH OR WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PARK OR THE GENERAL PLAN, WE’VE ALL HEARD IT, WE HAVE A FEW CONSTITUENTS IN EVERY DISTRICT THAT IS WONDERING IF WE’RE JUST GOING TO PUT THAT IN A BOOK, PUT ON IT A SHELF AND ALLOW IT TO COLLECT DUST AND WE’RE GOING TO GET IT DOWN AND — THIS GIVES US A CHANCE TO EVOLVE, TO MOVE A LITTLE QUICKER, PERHAPS AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS OR THE PRIVATE SECTOR, CLOSER TO THAT, AND WHAT WAS DESCRIBED HERE IS ACTUALLY, I THINK, A PRIVATE SECTOR WAY OF THINKING. YOU THINK OF ALL OUR PARTNERS IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, THEY’RE EVOLVING, THEY’RE USING TECHNOLOGY. SO WE’VE ASKED OUR CITY STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO THIS. YES, IT’S — IT’S NOT FREE. IT’S THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY. MORE THAN 500 SQUARE MILES, NEARLY 1.7 MILLION PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY. AND WE’RE STILL GROWING. WE’RE STILL 50 YEARS YOUNGER OR MORE THAN MOST MAJOR CITIES OUT THERE. SO AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND EVOLVE, WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE A SYSTEM LIKE THIS WHERE WE CAN MAXIMIZE OUR POTENTIAL. WE DON’T HAVE THE EXPERTISE FOR THIS SO WE’RE GOING TO GO OUT AND WHICH IS WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WOULD DO. IF THERE IS A SOFTWARE THEY NEED, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO GO TO THEIR I.T. GROUP AND SAY FIGURE IT OUT. THIS THEY DON’T HAVE IT, THEY’RE GOING TO GO AND CONTRACT OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT FOR THEM AND TO DEVELOP THAT FOR THEM. AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX TO DO JUST THAT. SO I’M SUPPORTIVE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN WARING?>>Councilman Waring: ONE THING THIS DISCUSSION HAS MADE ME APPRECIATE IS WHY I VOTE NO SO MUCH. IF IT’S TRUE IF YOU PUT ALL THE PLANS TOGETHER YOU CAN’T DRIVE CARS IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, MAYBE YOU’VE GOT TOO MANY PLANS. MAYBE YOU DIDN’T THINK IT THROUGH. MAYBE IT’S TOO HODGEY-PODGEY. MOST IMPRESSIVE THING IN ANYTHING I’VE HEARD IS COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS — SORRY, MAYOR WILLIAMS’ — THAT MAYOR WILLIAMS COULD ACTUALLY REMEMBER APPARENTLY WITHOUT A LIST IN FRONT OF HER THE ACTUAL NAMES OF ALL THOSE COMMITTEES AND READ THEM OFF. AND THEY SAY EXPERIENCE DOESN’T MATTER. SHOWS WHAT THEY KNOW. BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE’RE NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE OLD RULES WE THEORETICALLY VOTED ON, THIS HAS ALL KIND OF BEEN THROWN TOGETHER, WE ARE IGNORING SOME, ACCEPTING OTHERS. A FEW DAYS AGO I GOT LIT UP TO THE CITY — I THINK IT WAS ON MISSOURI, WHICH ISN’T IN MY DISTRICT, THEY WERE COMPLAINING, I THINK, ABOUT SIDEWALKS THAT GOT PUT IN THAT THIS THEY DIDN’T WANT SIDEWALKS. NOW THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THAT’S PART OF THE COMPLETE STREET PLAN. I THINK THAT WAS THE BASIC GIST. THE STREET NEED IN MY AREA ARE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN DOWNTOWN. AGAIN, I HEAR ABOUT ALL THE BIKE LANES AND EVERYTHING WE DO DOWNTOWN, AND THAT IS FANTASTIC UNTIL YOU CONSIDER 1% OF THE PEOPLE LIVE DOWNTOWN AND 555 PEOPLE LIVE AND WORK DOWNTOWN. WHO ARE YOU BUILDING ALL THESE LANES FOR? THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. A LOT OF THESE PLANS, YOU GO IT THROUGH, IT’S PROBABLY A BUNCH OF NONSENSE. I DON’T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD PAY $350,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF DOING THAT. MAYOR WILLIAMS IS EXTREMELY WELL INTENTIONED IN TRYING TO COORDINATE THIS, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD REVISIT ALL THESE PLANS AND MAYBE GET RID OF A FEW BEFORE WE SPEND 350 GRAND, AND DO IT OURSELVES AND GET RID OF A FEW THINGS OR SEE IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED THEM AND THEN COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT THE WORD COMPREHENSIVE SCARES ME BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU ARE BUILDING BIKE LANES IN OUTER AREAS WHERE NOBODY IS GOING TO RIDE A BIKE. IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE WHAT WE’RE DOING. I ASSUME THIS THING WILL PROBABLY PASS. I UNDERSTAND IT MAY BE NECESSARY NOW IN LIGHT OF THIS FIASCO, WHICH REALLY ANYBODY WHO LISTENING TO THIS IS LIKE — “I CAN’T — FIFTH BIGGEST CITY. I CAN’T BELIEVE THESE GUYS ARE TALKING LIKE THIS.>>>IS IT TRUE WE CAN’T DRIVE CARS DOWNTOWN?” I’M JUST PARROTING WHAT I HEARD. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? WHERE WAS THE BRIEFING FROM STAFF WHEN THESE THINGS WERE PUT BEFORE US, BY THE WAY, IF YOU DO THIS, IT CONFLICTS WITH THAT AND THEN YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO DRIVE A CAR DOWNTOWN. SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE COME UP AT SOME POINT. THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE ALL THESE STAFFERS FOR. AT SOME POINT I WOULD SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE THIS, SEND IT TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, THEY SHOULD COME PRESENT. HERE IS WHAT EACH PLAN DOES. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KEEP? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF? SEE WHAT’S LEFT AND MAYBE MAKE THAT THE PLAN. SCRAP THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT APPARENTLY ISN’T BEING FOLLOWED. THAT WOULD BE MY DRUTHERS, BUT THAT’S TOO LONG FOR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SO I WILL STOP TALKING NOW TO MAKE YOU HAPPY. DO AS YOU WILL, I AM VOTING NO.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I MEAN — I WILL TELL YOU, I MAY HAVE EXAGGERATED A LITTLE BIT. ONE OR TWO CARS WILL GET THROUGH DOWNTOWN. BUT I WILL TELL YOU –>>Councilman Waring: [INAUDIBLE]>>Int. Mayor Williams: I KNOW. BUT IT’S CLOSE. AND IT IS — IT WENT THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE OVER TWO OR THREE, FOUR-YEAR PERIOD, THESE DIFFERENT PLANS, AND IT DIDN’T REALLY DONNELL ON ME, AND I’M SURE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THAT WHAT HAD HAPPENED, THAT THESE WERE DEVELOPED IN THAT SILENCE AND INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT COORDINATION, AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNED SINCE THEN — BECAUSE, MARIA, YOU WERE IN MY OFFICE THIS MORNING TALKING ABOUT THE BY SICK YOU LANES AND THEY’RE BEING INSTALLED ACCORDING TO THE BICYCLE PLAN. DOES THAT MEET WITH THE REST OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? DO YOU HAVE YOUR — HAVE YOU EVALUATED? DO YOU NEED NEW SIDEWALKS? DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE MORE ADA COMPLIANCE IN THERE? BECAUSE ANYTHING I HATE IS GOING BACK OVER AND OVER AND MAKING — SPENDING MORE MONEY ON DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS WHEN IF WE DO IT ALL AT ONCE AND WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE DOING WE WOULD SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN AND A LOT OF PUBLIC AGGRAVATION. I SEE THIS AND HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME. I KNOW WHEN YOU AND I GOT TO GO DOWN AND WATCH THE TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN WHEN THERE WAS A BASEBALL GOING AND JUSTIN WHATEVER HIS NAME IS WAS IN CONCERT, IT WAS A ZOO DOWN THERE. AND JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IT WAS CARS. IT WAS TRAINS. IT WAS UBER. IT WAS LYFT. IT WAS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET AT THE SAME TIME. AND I CAN’T SEE HOW — WE CAN STRIVE FOR PROSPERITY IN THESE CONDITIONS WHEN WE HAVEN’T IMPLEMENTED ALL THOSE PLANS YET. AND WHEN YOU THROW IN LIGHT RAIL, WHICH I DIDN’T MENTION, BUT IS INCLUDED, I KNOW — I’VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES, I’VE TALKED TO THE HOME BUILDERS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS I’VE TALKED TO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHO HAVE SAID, DON’T YOU DARE PUT THOSE LIGHTS ON MY STREETS AND, NO, I DON’T WANT A SIDEWALK, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COORDINATED AND THERE’S FLEXIBILITY IN THERE TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR CITY. WE ARE UNIQUE BY THE VERSATILITY AND DIVERSITY WE HAVE WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT MAKES PHOENIX SPECIAL, AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE LIMITED STAFF AND DIFFERENT — YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENTS WHO WERE INVOLVED ON THOSE PLANS. I FEEL STRONGLY WE NEED AN OUTSIDE PERSON WITHOUT ANY BIAS OF BEING PART OF THOSE COMMITTEES TO LOOK AT THEM, EVALUATE THEM AND CONSOLIDATE THEM. SO I AM SUPPORTING THIS.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE A QUESTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY WHAT WE — WE REALLY NEED SOMEBODY, AN OUTSIDE EYE, TO COME IN TO REALLY LOOK AT A BIG — THE OUTSIDE — IS THIS POSSIBLE WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANS. I HEAR YOU ON THE BIKE LINES. RIGHT NOW I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIKE LANE A AND — WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PLAN AND THEY’RE PUTTING BIKE LANES IN HERE. CAN WE HOLD OFF UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN AND LOOK LIKE IF IT’S GOING TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED. THE OTHER PIECE I FEEL LIKE IS VERY IMPORTANT IS WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILY IN OUR CORE, NOT JUST IN DOWNTOWN, BUT IT’S GOING UP THE CORE AND ALONG THE LIGHT RAIL AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING LANES — AREAS TO ONE LANE. AT THAT MOMENT WHAT’S THE GRIDLOCK GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I THINK THESE ARE CRITICAL QUESTIONS TO ASK AN OUTSIDER TO SAY, LOOK AT THIS, AND A BIG — A LARGER SCOPE. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IN THIS PROCESS ARE WE, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT BECOMING A SMART CITY, ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT BECOMING A SMART CITY WITH OUR SINGLE — OUR SIGNALS, OUR TIMING, ALL OF THAT, SO THAT AS WE’RE EVOLVING WE’RE ALSO MODERNIZING AND KNOWING WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE? HE SO THAT’S A QUESTION, TOO — STATEMENT AND QUESTION.>>THE STREETS TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS LOOKING TO DO MORE IN TERMS OF INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION AND USING TECHNOLOGY TO ENHANCE OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL SYSTEMS, TO BETTER MOVE OUR TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND MAKE SURE THAT’S A PART OF ALL WE’RE DOING. THIS WORK THAT WE’RE SEEKING TO DO THROUGH THIS EFFORT ISN’T — IT RECOGNIZES THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT’S NOT — IT’S NOT A TECHNOLOGY COMPONENT. THIS IS — IT’S ALMOST GOING TO COME IN AND UPDATE OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES BUT RECOGNIZING INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THAT EFFORT.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT A SMART CITY BUT THE ISSUE OF SMART CITY IN OUR SIGNALS AND STREET TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, WE’RE WORKING ON THAT. THIS MANUAL IS NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT BUT IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE — WE DO HAVE AS A FILTER FOR WHAT WE’RE DOING.>>Councilwoman Pastor: HERE IS MY CONCERN NOW. YOU KNOW WHERE I’M GOING. MY CONCERN IS NOW WE HAVE THIS MANUAL AND NOW YOU’RE TELLING ME THERE IS THIS OTHER MANUAL OR THIS OTHER PIECE THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT AS A SMART CITY — TO ME, THIS IS A GLOBAL — IT’S A HOLISTIC WAY OF HOW WE’RE GOING TO MAP OUT AND PLAN OUR CITY. SO I’M BEING CHALLENGED BY THIS AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE AS A PERSON WHO IS A VISUAL PERSON AND LIKES A MAP AND LIKES A STRATEGIC PLAN, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. SO I’M STRUGGLING IN THE RESPONSE, I GUESS.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: THIS IS A MANUAL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS A MANUAL FOR DEVELOPERS AND DESIGNERS. THE SMART CITY ASPECT WOULD BE WHAT THE STREET DEPARTMENT IS DOING WITH ITS OWN SIGNAL HARDWARE AND EQUIPMENT. SO WHAT YOU’RE DESCRIBING IS THE MANUAL IS VISUAL. THAT’S PART OF IT, TO MAKE IT A VISUAL, ACCESSIBLE THING –>>Councilwoman Stark: CAN I –>>Int. Mayor Williams: I THINK COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI IS NEXT.>>Councilman Nowakowski: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU’RE GOING. WHAT I’M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THAT I BELIEVE WE’RE THE POLICYMAKERS AND WE SHOULD BE TELLING THE DEVELOPERS AND INDIVIDUALS BUILDING OUT THERE WHAT THE POLICIES ARE. SAME SITUATION HAPPENED WITH AVENIDA BROADWAY. WE SPENT $55 MILLION. WE WERE TEARING UP THE STREETS THREE, FOUR TIMES. INDIVIDUALS WERE COMING UP TO US SAYING, DON’T YOU ALL COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER? AT THAT TIME THE CITY MANAGER WAS DAVID CAVAZOS, AND HE DECIDED TO ACTUALLY HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AVENIDA BROADWAY. AND BASICALLY FOR THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS IT TURNED OUT EVERY OTHER MONTH, THEN IT BECAME QUARTERLY MEETINGS AND WE SAVED A LOT OF MONEY AND WE STARTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. I THINK THERE IS AN INSTITUTIONAL CULTURE WE HAVE HERE THAT WE DON’T COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, I MEAN, WITH OUR I.T. SAME SITUATION. WE HAD TO BRING STAFF TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT JUST THE I.T. NEEDS OF THIS BUILDING. AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MORE OF AN ISSUE FOR LIKE A WORK STUDY. I HEAR WHERE YOU’RE COMING FROM. I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THIS. I THINK THERE’S DEEPER CONCERNS THAN JUST COMING UP WITH A MANUAL FOR DEVELOPERS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO BUILD IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND JUST WITH THE TIME THAT WE’RE TAKING HERE, THERE IS A NEED TO DO THOSE WORK STUDIES THAT I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BRINGING BACK, AND I THINK THIS IS A FINE EXAMPLE, AND IF WE DON’T HAVE THOSE EXPERTISE AND THE DEPARTMENTS AS DEPARTMENT HEADS THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THAT. WE ARE THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY. SHAME ON US, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE THE POLICYMAKERS, MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE — HAVE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POLICIES ARE, AND WE JUST DON’T CREATE PLANS AND CODES JUST BECAUSE A GROUP COMES AND ADVOCATES FOR THAT. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT’S THE BEST PRACTICE, THE BEST NEEDS FOR A CITY, AND I THINK THAT’S THE TYPE OF LEADERSHIP I THINK YOU’RE BRINGING TO THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK THERE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY BRINGING THOSE DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER, AND I THINK YOU’RE THE RIGHT PERSON TO TRY TO DO THAT, BUT I CAN’T VOTE ON THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THERE’S SOME TYPE OF COMMUNICATION PLAN WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE IT’S NOT JUST THE LIGHT RAIL SITUATION WE HAVE IN SOUTH PHOENIX. I MEAN, PEOPLE DON’T WANT LANES, I’LL TAKE YOUR LANES, I’LL TAKE YOUR SIDEWALKS, AND THERE’S NO LIGHTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. I’LL TAKE YOUR LIGHTS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS INTO A WORK STUDY OR CONTINUE THIS TO HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION ON THIS ISSUE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT QUICKLY, MY FEAR IS THINGS STILL BEING BUILT, BIKE LANES ARE GOING IN AND THEY’RE ALL GOING IN UNDER THOSE SEPARATE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE ACCEPTED THE PLANS AS A COUNCIL. SO THEY ARE ESTABLISHED POLICIES BY US. AND IF THEY CONTINUE, I’M JUST FEARFUL THAT IT WILL END UP THAT IT DOESN’T MATCH WITH WHAT WE COME UP WITH. I THINK IF WE COULD HAVE SOMEONE WORKING TO CONSOLIDATE IT, BRING IT BACK TO A WORK STUDY GROUP IN SEPTEMBER WHERE WE CAN REALLY DELVE INTO IT BUT I’M CONCERNED WE’RE GOING TO DELAY A LOT OF PROJECTS — YOU’RE EITHER GOING TO DELAY THEM OR YOU’RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO GO FORWARD UNDER WHAT’S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THEY’RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT’S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS. POLICY IS INTO PLAY. STAFF IS GOING TO SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED ON AND WE’RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS.>>Councilman Nowakowski: BUT I BELIEVE OTHER THINGS IN THE NEAR FUTURE WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED BY THIS POLICY HANDBOOK WE’RE GOING TO CREATE AND, I THINK WE’VE GOT TO FIND WHAT THE CORE ISSUE IS, AND I BELIEVE THE CORE ISSUE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIX THE MAIN ISSUE INSTEAD OF PUTTING A LITTLE BAND-AID ON WHAT’S NEEDED RIGHT NOW.>>Councilman DiCiccio: JUST ONE LAST COMMENT AND I’M DONE. THE ILL LOGIC OF THIS, REALLY WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE IS BASICALLY THE SILO — YOU’RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THIS BECAUSE CITY STAFF JUST DOESN’T WANT TO WORK TOGETHER, IT CAN’T WORK TOGETHER, CAN’T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER, A WAY TO MESH THEM THEMSELVES. YOU AS TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THIS. AND IF YOU THINK A MANUAL IS GOING TO SERVE INTERNAL PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE INTERNALLY ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY OF PHOENIX, THIS MANUAL AIN’T GOING TO DO IT. IT’S JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT’S GOING TO SIT ON SOMEONE’S WALL, SIT ON SOMEONE’S DESK AND IS NOT GOING TO BE USED. IT’S JUST A GLOSSOVER FOR ALREADY INEFFICIENCIES. BY MOVING THIS FORWARD TODAY YOU ARE FORCING STAFF TO BASICALLY SIT BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMEONE ELSE’S RESPONSIBILITY. NO, IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, AND THEY SHOULD DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME THEMSELVES. SO BY DOING THIS YOU’RE JUST BASICALLY CREATED ANOTHER GLOSSOVER HERE AND IT’S JUST GOING TO BE ONE MORE THING THAT’S ADDED ON BECAUSE IT SOUNDS NICE, IT LOOKS GOOD. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT’S NOTHING MORE THAN GOVERNMENT WASTE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I’M DONE.>>Councilwoman Stark: I DON’T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE PUT ON A BOOKSHELF BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A MANUAL SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN TO DO A DEVELOPMENT, THEY’RE GOING TO BE TOLD, HERE IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IT IS. IF IT’S A ONE-ACRE HORSE PROPERTY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE LIGHTING, SIDEWALKS. AND THEN YOU HAND THEM A DETAIL. I’M NOT A GOOD DRAWER, BUT A DETAIL LIKE THIS AND YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO BECAUSE YOU ARE IMPLEMENTING THE POLICIES THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED. SO I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. I DO LIKE THE IDEA, COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI AND, MAYOR, YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING PERHAPS IN SEPTEMBER AND STARTING TO REVIEW SOME OF THE WORK THAT’S BEING DONE TO MAKE SURE THEY’RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS, AS YOU SAID, IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOU WANT MORE LIGHTS, YOU WANT MORE SIDEWALKS. I HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE UP AGAINST THE PRESERVE AND THEY DON’T WANT THE LIGHTS, THEY DON’T WANT THE SIDEWALKS. SO I THINK IT’S WORTHY OF THAT DISCUSSION BUT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD SOME DETAIL, SOME STANDARDS TO LOOK AT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA, THOUGH, COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI AND MAYOR WILLIAMS, TO HAVE THAT WORK STUDY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WELL, HEARING NO MORE COMMENTS — MOTION TO APPROVE AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: MAYOR, I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE. I’LL BE VOTING YES ON THIS BECAUSE OF THAT WORK STUDY THAT YOU PROMISED THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING. RIGHT?>>Int. Mayor Williams: I DO PROMISE. YOU’RE GOING TO GET REAL STICK OF SICK OF WORK STUDIES.>>Councilman Nowakowski: WITH THAT THAT WILL BE A YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI IS AT EVERY WORK STUDY WE’RE HAVING. THANK YOU.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: [INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 6-2? PASSES. THANK YOU.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 159. MOVE A MOTION FOR 159.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LEONARD CLARK. STILL HERE? HE LEFT. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM 207.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO I HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I NEED A SECOND.>>Councilman Valenzuela: SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A SECOND.>>Councilman Valenzuela: CAN WE DO 207 AND 208 TOGETHER?>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: TOGETHER?>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES, THEY ARE TOGETHER.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THE SECOND CONCUR?>>Councilwoman Pastor: WHO IS THE SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: SHE DOES. WE HAVE CARDS IN FAVOR AND A CARD OPPOSED ON BOTH ITEMS. I WILL ASK TAYLOR EARL — I GUESS DO YOU WANT TO TELL US WHAT’S GOING ON FIRST AND WHAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN SO FAR AND GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION?>>CERTAINLY. ITEMS 207 AND 208 ARE RELATED ITEMS. ITEM 207 IS THE FINAL ABANDONMENT RESOLUTION TO DISSOLVE THE PUBLIC’S INTEREST IN RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR NORTH 30th DRIVE AND WEST COLTER STREET AND ITEM 208 IS THE ACTION TO SELL THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY TO GRAND CANYON EDUCATION, INC., WHO WAS THE HIGH BIDDER THAT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR $122,000. THE COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT BACK IN OCTOBER 21st OF 2015 YOU HEARD THIS ITEM, WHICH WAS REALLY THE LEGISLATIVE DISCUSSION UNDER NUMBER 207 TO ABANDON OR NOT. SO AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM GCU THAT FOCUSED ON THIS AREA. THIS MAP SHOWS YOU PURPLE, WHICH IS THE PLANNED GRAND CANYON UNIVERSITY OWNS. THE WHITE ARE PRIVATE PARCELS THEY DIDN’T OWN AT THAT TIME. SOME OF WHICH HAS CHANGED BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THESE TWO PROPERTIES HERE, THEY STILL DO NOT OWN. AND SO THIS NEXT SLIDE ZOOMS IN TO THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS. SO THERE WAS AN ABANDONMENT HEARING THAT WAS APPEALED TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DID ULTIMATELY APPROVE THAT ABANDONMENT FOR THIS PORTION OF COAL STIR STREET AND THIS PORTION OF 30th DRIVE SHOWN IN THE CROSSHATCH HERE. AS PART OF THAT ABANDONMENT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS PUT ON THAT PROPERTY. IT ULTIMATELY WAS LITIGATED BY ONE OF THE FOLKS IMPACTED BY THIS, THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. BUT THEY LOST THAT IN COURT THROUGH AN APPEAL IN COURT AS WELL. THERE ARE STIPULATIONS THAT REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE PUBLIC EASEMENT SO THAT YOU CAN STILL GET TO ALL THOSE PROPERTIES. THERE REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT GCU IS DOING TO ENSURE SAFETY OF THEIR STUDENTS FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GUARD GATE THERE TO MONITOR PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CAMPUS BUT AS PART OF THIS REQUIREMENT, MEETING THE STIPULATIONS, THEY’RE DEDICATING EASEMENTS TO THOSE PROPERTIES FOR BULK TRASH PICKUP, FOR ANY USERS TODAY OR ANY USERS IN THE FUTURE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. THEY ALL WILL GET ACCESS TO THOSE PROPERTIES PURSUANT TO A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT THAT GOES ACROSS THE COLTER STREET PROPERTY TO ALLOW THEM ACCESS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: SO WITH A WE’RE DOING TODAY, WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE AMENDMENT, WE’RE JUST APPROVING THEY HAVE MET THE STIPULATIONS?>>THAT IS CORRECT FOR ITEM 207. IT’S IN KIND OF THE — THE TERMINOLOGY OF COUNCILMAN WARING, IT IS PAYING A CHECK TO THE COUNCIL ACTION OF 2015 THAT SAID YOU CAN GO FORWARD AND ABANDON THIS PROPERTY. GCU HAS NOW EXPENDED A LOT OF FUNDS TO DO THOSE THINGS. THIS IS NOW THAT FINAL ACTION SAYING YOU WERE THE HIGH BIDDER. IN ITEM 208, YOU ARE ABLE TO PURCHASE IT. 207 YOU HAVE MET ALL THE STIPS, STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH AND MELT VERIFICATION AND WE’RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I WILL HAVE TO — GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE HEARING ON THIS, I GUESS, TO THE APPLICANT — YOU WANT TO SPEAK?>>I’LL JUST BRIEFLY SAY AND THEN MAYBE RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL IF THERE IS ANYTHING I COULD RESPOND TO, HIGH NAME IS TAYLOR EARL ON BEHALF OF GCU. OUR ADDRESS IS 3101 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE. REALLY THE MERITS WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ABANDONED WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE ABOUT TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS AGO, VOTED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE COUNCIL. WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING MR. PALMER, WHO I BELIEVE HAS SUBMITTED A CARD, TO TRY TO WORK OUT STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS, ACCESS TO THE LITTLE CANYON TRAIL, MAYBE SURE THE ROADWAY COULD NOT BE NARROWED, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE CONDITION IN A CONDITION COMMENSURATE WITH PUBLIC ROADWAYS. SO AS TO THOSE PRIOR PROPERTIES, IT WOULD FUNCTION LIKE A REGULAR STREET. THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS AROUND THE GUARD GATES IN AN EXPRESS LANE. ALL THOSE MANY STIPULATIONS WERE WORKED OUT. THEN AFTER THAT IT DID GO THROUGH LITIGATION, THE TRIAL COURT UPHELD THE CITY COUNCIL’S DECISION, THE COURT OF APPEALS UPHELD, AND SO GCU WENT FORWARD AND HE CAN EXPENDED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN RELIANCE IF WE COMPLETE THESE STIPULATIONS THEN THIS WILL BE ABANDONED. SO AS MR. STEPHENSON WE’RE AT THAT WRAP-UP SEEN, OKAY, YOU HAVE COMPLIED AND NOW WE’RE GOING FORWARD. AND SO AGAIN I’LL RESERVE ANY MORE TIME TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE QUESTIONS I CAN BE HELPFUL ON.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. GALE PALMER?>>YES — YES — EXCUSE ME. MAYOR WILLIAMS AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS GALE PALMER. MY ADDRESS IS 7227 NORTH 35th AVENUE, PHOENIX, 85051. THIS SHOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. I WANT TO — THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC STREET FOR 90 YEARS. JUST BECAUSE SOME FAT CAT COMES INTO TOWN, EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BOW TO THEM AND GIVE UP THEIR STREETS. YOU MAY BE NEXT. BUT I REMEMBER MY MOM AND DAD IN ’50, ’51, THEY HAD TO PAY TO PAVE THAT STREET, THEIR HALF OF THE STREET. IT REALLY WORKED A HARDSHIP ON THEM AT THAT TIME, THEM PAYING FOR A PUBLIC STREET, THAT THEY HAD TO PAY THEIR HALF OF. THIS SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, BECAUSE IN AUGUST, IN JULY OF ’15, GCU WENT, THERE WAS A HEARING OFFICER AT THAT MEETING. HE SAID HE NEEDED TO GO UNDER ADVISEMENT, AND HE WOULD GIVE US AN ANSWER. ON, I THINK IT WAS AUGUST THE 4th, HE COME OUT WITH 10 STIPULATIONS. AND HE STATED IN THERE THAT THESE STIPULATIONS HAD TO BE DONE BEFORE IT COULD GO ANY FURTHER — OR THEY COULD GET OWNERSHIP OF THIS. THERE’S ONE STIPULATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE, AND THAT’S ONE REASON I SAY THIS SHOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. WHY ISN’T IT BEEN DONE OR WHY — WHY, I CAN’T TELL YOU. THE OTHER POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS THERE’S TWO OR THREE THINGS, BUT I KNOW I’M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME — THE PRICE THE CITY IS GETTING OUT OF ALL OF THIS ABANDONMENT PROPERTY COMPARED TO WHAT THE REAL PROPERTY IS SELLING FOR WITHIN THIS — THESE ABANDONMENTS. I WAS HERE LAST OCTOBER TRYING TO DISCUSS THAT, TRYING TO EMBARRASS YOU ABOUT LETTING THEM BUY THAT — THOSE ABANDONMENT STREETS FOR 3.50 A SQUARE FOOT. THIS ONE, I THINK, IS LIKE 80 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT. THE POINT IS, GCU HAS BOUGHT PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES MUCH THESE ABANDONMENTS AND I THINK THE CHEAPEST PRICE THEY HAVE PAID $9.55 A SQUARE FOOT. THE HIGHEST IS BY THAT $85 A SQUARE FOOT. YOU ARE GIVING THIS PROPERTY AWAY TO GCU FOR 85 CENTS A FOOT. 3.50 — OKAY. THE OTHER THING, ONCE THIS GUARD SHACK GOES INTO PLAY AND THEY MAN IT, IT’S BEEN THERE FOR THREE YEARS — IT WILL BE THREE YEARS WHEN SCHOOL STARTS, I DO BELIEVE. BUT, ANYWAY, THE HARASSMENT THAT I AND MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SUFFERED FROM BEING HARASSED, FALSE POLICE REPORTS, AN INJUNCTION AGAINST ME LOOKING AT PRISON TIME. THIS WILL NOT MAKE IT BETTER. IT’S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT A LOT WORSE. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, HEY, THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR. PLEASE, REGISTER AND GET OUT TO VOTE AND MAYBE REPLACE SOME OF THESE COUNCIL PEOPLE. THANK YOU. I’M NOT SAYING — I’M TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL 5. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: JOHN [INDISCERNIBLE] CAN I GET — JUST USE JOHN?>>HONORABLE MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, HONORABLE COUNCIL, I’M JOHN MENDIBLES, 1719 EAST FAIRMONT AVENUE. I’M A VETERAN, A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION. THIS ISSUE WITH MR. PALMER AND GCU HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE, OF COURSE. THIS COUNCIL HAS ATTRIBUTED ITS MOVEMENT IN COURTS AND WITH ITS STAFF, VERY CAPABLE STAFF, AND GETTING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THROUGH THE FINITE OF THIS PROCESS. SO WHAT I’M DOING HERE TODAY IS I’M HERE BECAUSE TODAY ON THIS DAY, D-DAY, THE LONGEST DAY, AN ACT WAS SIGNED BY OUR PRESIDENT, THE VA MISSION ACT OF 2018. IN THAT ACT IT PROVIDES FOR $59 MILLION FOR VETERAN ISSUES IN HEALTHCARE NEEDS, HOUSING CARE AND IN CARE OF VETERANS FOR HOME CARE NEEDS. SO WITH MR. EARL’S LAND IN PLAY HOPEFULLY, AND IN THE DISPOSITION OF ITS LOCATION AND GCU, THERE IS AN ACCOMMODATION IN THAT ACT FOR VETERANS COMING OUT OF SERVICE, NOT HOMELESS VETERANS, VETERANS COMING OUT OF SERVICE TO BE HOUSED IN TRANSITION FOR THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS HONORABLE COUNCIL, PERHAPS MR. PALMER, MR. EARL IS A VERY KIND MAN, TO LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS, LOOK AT THOSE PROPOSALS, TO CONSIDER THOSE PROPOSALS ONCE THEY COME TO YOU, AS MUCH AS YOU CONSIDERED THE ABEYANCES AND DISPOSITION YOU GAVE GCU AND MR. PALMER, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN VERY GRACEFUL ON BOTH ACCOUNTS. I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE WITNESSED IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA’AM.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR, WE DO — CAN’T HEAR YOU. WE WARRANT TO THANK YOU, JOHN AS A COUNCIL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY. HE IS NOT JUST A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION, HE IS ONE OF THE TOP LEADERS. I THINK YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT. HE IS BEING VERY HUMBLE TODAY. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO, JOHN.>>THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DICICCIO.>>Int. Mayor Williams: JAMES DEIBLER?>>HELLO, I AM JAMES DEIBLER. I LIVE IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA. THE REASON I SUPPORT THIS PLAN IS BECAUSE GRAND CANYON UNIVERSITY IS GROWING WITH A LOT OF NEW STUDENTS, AND THEY NEED TO BUY THIS STREET FROM THE CITY OF PHOENIX TO EXPAND THEIR CAMPUS. I AGREE WITH THE VETERANS GUY THAT WE NEED MORE EDUCATION FUNDING FOR VETERANS SO WE CAN GET EDUCATION TO GO TO COLLEGE OR GRADUATE SCHOOL, AND I NOTICE THAT GCU IS GROWING EVERY DAY BECAUSE THEY COUNT ON STUDENTS TO GO TO COLLEGE TO GET THEIR DEGREE OR A CERTIFICATE. I GRADUATED FROM GLENDALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WITH MY ASSOCIATE IN GENERAL STUDIES AND PHOTOGRAPHY CERTIFICATE. I GO TO ASU FOR MY PUBLIC SERVICE AND PUBLIC POLICY. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN?>>Councilwoman Gallego: QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF. WERE THERE STIPULATIONS THAT GCU WAS REQUIRED TO MEET AND DID THEY MEET THEM?>>YES, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS THAT THEY MET AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO MEET AND THEY HAVE MET ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: NO, PLEASE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?>>ASSUMING THE COUNCIL APPROVES ITEM 208, WHICH IS THEN TO SELL THEM THE LAND, THAT’S THE LAST THING TO FULFILL THEIR STIPULATION. SO 207 SAYS — ITEM 207 IS HERE IS ALL YOUR STIPULATIONS. THEY HAVE COMPLIED WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS. AND THEN ITEM 208 IS THE FINAL DISPOSITION OF THE LANDS. THEN THAT WILL BE THE FINAL ITEMS THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO.>>Councilman Nowakowski: MAYOR — MR. PALMER — I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM A QUESTION. SO YOU SAY THERE IS ONE STIPULATION THAT THEY DIDN’T FULFILL? WHICH ONE IS THAT?>>IT’S ONE THAT SAYS THAT THEY WILL WIDEN THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COLTER FROM 30th DRIVE WESTWARD TO THE TRAIL. THINK WENT UP TO THEIR DRIVE WAY THAT GOES INTO THEIR NEW BUSINESS COLLEGE, AND THERE’S ABOUT 50 — THERE’S 75 FEET OF APPROXIMATELY THAT HAS NOT BEEN WIDENED. THAT’S ONE OF THEM. AND I GUESS — I’M NOT GOING TO — THIS IS 207. WILL I NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON 208?>>Int. Mayor Williams: YOU CAN –>>I FILLED OUT TWO CARDS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: AND WE COMBINED THE TWO ITEMS TOGETHER.>>WELL, I HAD LOTS MORE TO SAY, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS –>>Councilman Nowakowski: THE 208, YOU CAN SPEAK ON THAT –>>Int. Mayor Williams: HE’S GOT THE SAME.>>Councilwoman Pastor: 207 AND 208 ARE TOGETHER. IF YOU SOMETHING TO SPEAK ON 208, YOU HAVE TIME TO SPEAK ON IT.>>WELL, THERE’S SEVERAL THINGS I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO SAY THAT I WANTED TO SAY. IT’S ABOUT THE A ABANDONMENT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THIS IS ABOUT –>>THIS HARASSMENT I HAVE SUFFERED OVER THE YEARS FROM FALSE POLICE REPORTS AND ACCUSING ME OF HAVING GUNS, SHOOTING THEM, AND HAVING A — I’M SORRY — A — BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME AND LOOKING AT TWO YEARS IN PRISON. THIS ISN’T GOING TO GET BETTER BECAUSE I’VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THEIR GATE NOW AND MY PEOPLE. THEY FILED AN INJUNCTION AGAINST ME THAT I COULDN’T EVEN GET TO MY PROPERTY. I’VE GOT TWO PROPERTIES I COULDN’T GET WITHIN 100 FEET. I WISHED THE CITY OF PHOENIX PERSONNEL WOULD BACK AND ENFORCE THE PUDs THAT’S BEEN MADE AND THE STATE LAWS. THAT WOULD SURE COME A LONG WAYS TO HAVING THE COMMON MAN HAVE A CHANCE FIGHTING THE FAT CATS. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU.>>Councilman Nowakowski: HE SAID HE’S LANDLOCKED. IS THAT — CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO US?>>COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI, MAYOR WILLIAMS, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE PARCELS THAT MR. PALMER OWNS IS RIGHT IN HERE. IT’S KIND OF AN L-SHAPED PARCEL. AND SO THE ACCESS TO THAT PARCEL HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN DOWN COLTER AND 30th DRIVE TO THAT PARCEL. THE ABANDONMENT AREA, WHICH IS IN — KIND OF IN THIS BOX RIGHT HERE DOES REQUIRE THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE ABANDONMENT THEY HAVE TO DEDICATE AN ACCESS EASEMENT IN PERPETUITY FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DRIVE TO THESE PAR ACTUALS TO GET ACCESS TO IT. SO IT IS SIMILAR TO A PRIVATE STREET IN A NEW SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY MAINTAIN THE STREET BUT ANYONE IS ALLOWED TO GO IN AND HAVE A FRIEND VISIT YOU AT YOUR HOUSE THAT YOU LIVE THERE. IT’S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC IS MAINTAINING.>>Councilman Valenzuela: AGAIN, THIS ABANDONMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS AGO. THIS HAPPENS TO BE IN DISTRICT 5. I’VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY AND GCU FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. I’M PROUD OF THE WORK WE’VE BEEN ABLE TO DO. IT’S THE FASTEST GROWING UNIVERSITY IN THE COUNTRY IN ABOUT A FOUR-MILE RADIUS PROPERTY VALUES ARE UP 30%, CRIME RATES ARE DOWN 30%, THERE ARE KIDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE FIRST-GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENTS. MANY OF THEM ARE GOING FOR FREE — WELL, THEY’RE EARNING THEIR WAY THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED THE LEARNING LOUNGE. THESE KIDS — THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GOING IN AND THEY’RE TEACHING STUDENTS — THEY’RE TUTORING HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, THIS GENERATION OF COLLEGE STUDENTS, AND THOSE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, THEY DO WELL ENOUGH TO GET INTO SCHOOL, THEY CAN ALSO GO TO SCHOOL, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO TUTOR THE NEXT GENERATION. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING THERE. AND IT IS GROWING AT A PRETTY FAST RATE, AND MR. PALMER, I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR. MR. MENDIBLES I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR. AND MR. PALMER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL YOU HAVE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WORKING WITH GCU, WITH MR. PALMER IN MIND, AND MR. PALMER AND MR. MENDIBLES IS HERE, HERE TO SUPPORT MR. PALMER, AND HE IS A GOOD GUY, A GOOD PERSON, WHETHER WE HAVE ONE CONSTITUENT THAT LIVES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THIS CASE MR. PALMER, OR IF THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER IS BACKED, I WOULD BE WORKING WITH GCU, AND I AM PROUD OF THE RESPONSE OF MR. GCU. MR. PALMER’S ACCESS IS PROTECTED. HE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO STOP AT THAT GUARD GATE. HIS GUESTS WON’T HAVE TO STOP. IN FACT, GCU IS WORKING ON A SYSTEM — WILL AGREE TO WORK ON A SYSTEM TO IDENTIFY SOME OF HIS GUESTS IF HE WOULD LIKE. IF HE WOULD LIKE. THAT CAN GO BOTH WAYS. WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MR. PALMER. THE FULL ROADWAY WILL BE MAINTAINED FOR ACCESS. THE — THERE WAS A QUESTION OF THE BULK TRASH RIGHTS. MR. PALMER’S RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED THERE AS WELL. AND THE LIST GOES ON. SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LIKE THE PERSON I RESPECT SO MUCH IN THIS GENTLEMAN, BUT ALSO THE MORE THAN — THE NEARLY 20,000 STUDENTS THAT ARE THERE ON CAMPUS DURING A SCHOOL YEAR, AND ABOUT HALF OF THEM LIVE ON CAMPUS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. SO SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT FOR EVERYONE, OBVIOUSLY. SO THIS ACTUALLY — I’M PROUD OF THE WAY THIS HAS BEEN DONE AND I AM ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. YES, WE ARE VOTING ON 207. [ROLL CALL]>>Int. Mayor Williams: THAT TAKES US TO 211.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THE COUNT?>>Int. Mayor Williams: 8-0.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ITEM 211 — GO AHEAD.>>(READING OF ORDINANCE).>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO WE HAVE A MOTION?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MOVE A MOTION OF ITEM 211. I NEED A SECOND.>>Councilwoman Stark: AND I WILL SECOND IT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL. [ROLL CALL VOTE]>>Councilman Waring: I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE VOTE FOR THIS, ARE YOU WE GOING TO GET TO VOTE DOWNTOWN? YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 8-0. IS THAT — 222 –>>Councilwoman Pastor: I’M TRYING TO GET TO MY BOOKLET. IT’S 222 IS THE CITIZENS PETITION. I AM TRYING TO FIND IT IN MY BOOK. I MOVE — HANG ON. SOMEWHERE IN MY BOOK I HAVE — ITEM 222 IS THE FULL DEPLOYMENT OF POLICE BODY CAMERAS. I HAVE A MOTION. MOVE TO FORWARD THIS ITEM TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND VETERANS SUBCOMMITTEE TO DEVELOP AN AGGRESSIVE IMPLEMENTATION TIME FRAME ONCE A VENDOR HAS BEEN SELECTED.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I’LL SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE — OH, I’M SORRY. 222, KIM BAKER?>>ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL. I SUPPORT THE DEPLOYMENT OF BODY CAMERAS. THERE’S TWO ITEMS ON THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, BUT I SUPPORT THE PETITION AND WOULD ASK THIS COUNCIL TO STRONGLY CONSIDER EXPEDITING. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A PLAN IN EFFECT. OUR CONCERN WORKING WITH THE JO ANN SCOTT WOODS, OUR CONCERN IS THE PROBABILITY OF ANOTHER SHOOTING THAT MAY NOT BE DOCUMENTED OR ACCOUNTED FOR, AND THE TRANSPARENCY THERE BENEFITS BOTH SIDES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS. AND SO I SUPPORT THE PETITION IN EXPEDITING THE FULL DEPLOYMENT. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. JO ANN SCOTT WOODS?>>MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, I WANT TO SAY I ENJOYED HOW KIM BAKER OPENED THIS MEETING WITH GOODWILL. THANK YOU, KIM. PEOPLE DEMANDING JUSTICE COMMUNITY COALITION, OF WHICH I AM COORDINATOR, HAS BEEN DIALOGUING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON OUR 10 SOLUTIONS TO BUILD TRUST IN OUR CITY SINCE 2015. BODY CAMS HEADED THE LIST. ALTHOUGH MY PETITION, AS I STATED, IT WAS DENIED, WE AS A CITY WILL BE MOVING FORWARD ON TRANSPARENCY REGARDING UPDATES ON PROGRESS, PROBABLY ON THE POLICE WEBSITE IN ACHIEVING FULL DEPLOYMENT AND OTHER SOLUTIONS WITH WE MEET WITH EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF MIKE KURTENBACH AND COMMANDER KIMBERLY MITCHELL OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS BUREAU NEXT WEEK. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. I WAS, THOUGH, DIFFICULT APPOINTED IN THE REBUTTAL OF THE POLICE CONTACT INVOLVING JOSHUA BAKER BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MILT DOHONEY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS — MILT DOHONEY WROTE A LETTER OF APOLOGY TO HIS FATHER AFTER HIS HARASSMENT IN 2015. I WANT TO GO ON RECORD ADDRESSING THE POINTS LISTED ON THE CITY COUNCIL REPORT THAT WERE DISPUTED BY THE FACTS ON THE TRAFFIC TICKET AND ON THE PAPERWORK FROM THE EVIDENTIARY HEARING. ONE, AA MANDATORY INSURANCE SUSPENSION IS IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT AS A, QUOTE, MISDEMEANOR CRIMINAL VIOLATION, BUT IT IS CIVIL. ADDITIONALLY THE HEARING WAS HEARD IN A CIVIL COURT. TWO, HIS FINES WERE SUSPENDED ON THE TWO CHARGES, BUT THAT WAS ADMITTED OMITTED IN THE REPORT. ACTIONS RECORDED AT THE FIRST POINT OF CONTACT SHOW AN OFFICER RUSHING AND IMMEDIATELY OPENING THE DRIVER’S DOOR, BENDING OVER TO GO INTO THE CAB, PULL THE DRIVER OUT BEFORE THE DRIVER COULD PUT HIS CAR IN PARK, THROWING HIM ACROSS THE TRUNK IN HANDCUFFS — AND HANDCUFFING HIM, TAKING HIM TO THE CURB AND SITTING HIM DOWN, ALL DONE IN THE MATTER OF 44 SECONDS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP.>>OKAY. REVEALING THESE TRUTHS COULD HAVE BROUGHT US TOGETHER IN THE SPIRIT OF RECONCILIATION. HOPEFULLY, REALISTICALLY, AS ASSISTANT CHIEF KURTENBACH INFORMED ME LAST WEEK, BODY CAMS WILL BE DEPLOYED WITHIN THREE YEARS IN OF FIVE AFTER COUNCIL VOTES TO APPROVE THAT PERHAPS IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, PLEASE STAND UP IN SOLIDARITY OF THE TRUTH THAT GENERATIONALLY BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HARASSED DISPROPORTIONATELY BY THE POLICE –>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU.>>I JUST HAVE SIX MORE WORDS. EVIDENCE WHICH — BODY CAMS WILL SOMEDAY BRING TO LIGHT OR PERHAPS DISPERSE. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I’M NOT SURE IF IT’S LISA OR LESLIE.>>HI. I’M LISA. I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE BODY CAMERAS COMING UP, BUT I WANTED TO PUT OUT, THE BODY CAMS SHOULD BE AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. WE’RE SEEING AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE CALLS FOR BODY CAMS HAVE BEEN MET AND BODY CAMS ARE ON THE POLICE AND WE’RE SEEING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY NOW WHERE THERE’S THIS BIG CRY FOR HOW — I WAS RACIALLY PROFILED AND RACIALLY HARASSED AND RACIALLY THIS AND RACIALLY THAT AND THEN THE BODY CAM COMES OUT ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT WAS A LIE. SO WHILE I DON’T THINK THE BODY CAMS SHOULD BE AN ISSUE OF RACE, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE NORM IN TODAY’S POLITICS. AND TO ME I THINK THE BODY CAMS THERE ARE TO PROTECT THE POLICE AS MUCH AS THEY ARE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS, AND FIVE YEARS IS RIDICULOUS. MAYOR STANTON GAVE LA RAZA $2.4 MILLION BEFORE HE LEFT OFFICE, AND WE CAN’T PUT BODY CAMS ON OUR POLICE OFFICERS? THAT’S A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS IN MY MIND. YOU WANT TO RAISE THE TAXES IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX? YOU WANT TO DO ALL THESE THINGS. PHOENIX IS BROKE. TAKE CARE OF OUR OFFICERS. TAKE CARE OF OUR POLICE.>>>TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU CAN LOOK AT ME FUNNY BUT THAT’S ALREADY BEEN — ALREADY BEEN NOTED. AND AS FOR THE — AS FOR THE GUY THAT IS PROMOTING SEX TRAFFICKING, CALLING US A HATE GROUP, YOU DON’T HAVE TO LIKE MY POLITICS. DOESN’T MAKE US A HATE GROUP. OKAY?>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. JENNIFER HARRISON?>>HELLO. MY NAME IS JENNIFER AND I AM REPRESENTING THE CITIZENS THAT SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I FEEL LIKE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE ARE COMING DOWN TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE. AND THE OTHER SIDE, THEY HATE THE POLICE. THEY HATE THE POLICE. THEY DON’T WANT THE POLICE POLICING THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, CRIMINALS HAVE NO RACE. OKAY? SO WHEN YOU DON’T MIND THE POLICE, WHEN YOU DON’T FOLLOW THE POLICE’S ORDERS THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SHOOT YOU. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY. SO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DESERVES THE BEST AND AS MUCH MONEY AS THIS CITY SPENDS ON NONSENSE, AND YOU CAN ROLL YOUR EYES AS WELL, SIR, BUT IT’S TIME WE START PUTTING OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE FIRST. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. LAST CARD IS LEONARD CLARK, AND I THINK HE LEFT. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN?>>Councilman Valenzuela: THANK YOU. I SECONDED THIS MOTION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR FAR TOO LONG, RIGHT? SEVERAL YEARS AGO. I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST TOOK OFFICE IN 2012 WE DID A PILOT PROGRAM IN MARYVALE. IT WAS A BODY CAM PILOT. IN FACT, WE STILL HAVE OFFICERS WITH THE CAMERA, AND I’VE SAID IT THEN, I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY IT NOW, I THINK THE BODY CAM IS A GOOD IDEA. IT’S INTERESTING HOW THINGS EVOLVE. I FEEL LIKE LITERALLY EVERYONE THINKS THE BODY CAM IS A GOOD IDEA, REGARDLESS OF WHERE PEOPLE COME ARE FROM OR WHERE THEY LIVE. EVERYONE AGREES. AND I BELIEVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS AGREE. I HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT ARE POLICE OFFICERS. IT’S A TOUGH JOB. AND SO IT’S SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS GOES BACK — THIS GOES BACK A COUPLE OF POLICE CHIEFS AGO. THERE’S BEEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SOFTWARE, HOW DO WE STORE THIS STUFF, HOW LONG DO WE STORE IT, THE LEGALITIES BEHIND IT AND SO ON, AND I — YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I’VE BEEN A PRETTY STRONG ADVOCATE THEN. WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PUSH THROUGH THAT. IT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE, AND I’M GLAD THAT WE’RE ACTUALLY HERE AND I WANT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY STAFF FOR ALWAYS BEING WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. THANKS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN DICICCIO?>>Councilman DiCiccio: I WANT TO ASK LOGICAL QUESTIONS. WHAT IS CURRENT PLAN NOW AND WHAT IS THIS SO-CALLED EXPEDITED PROCESS? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH? I MEAN — EVERYTHING SOUNDS NICE BUT THERE’S NOTHING I SEE HERE.>>ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT MY MOTION OR –>>Councilman DiCiccio: YEAH, THE MOTION IS TO MOVE IT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO EXPEDITE IT. EXPEDITE IT TO WHAT? TELL US WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN IS FIRST.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YOU WANT CURRENT PLAN OR WHAT MY THOUGHT PROCESS –>>Councilman DiCiccio: I WAS ASKING STAFF.>>MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WAS TO DEPLOY BODY-WORN CAMERAS OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. THAT WAS BASED ON THE FINANCIAL REALITY THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT THERE’S BEEN ACTION TAKEN TO ACCELERATE THE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD. PRESENTLY WHERE WE ARE IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EXECUTING AN RFP TO ACTUALLY CHOOSE THE VENDOR THAT WILL PROVIDE THE NEXT ROUND OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS, AND SO THAT’S CAMERAS THAT ALSO INCLUDES OUR ABILITY TO DEAL WITH STORAGE, OUR ABILITY TO DEAL WITH PROCESSING PUBLIC RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ITEM. SO THAT’S THE PLAN AT PRESENT, AND THE VICE MAYOR CAN SPEAK TO HER OWN MOTION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: IF I COULD, JUST A COUPLE THINGS, AND THEN I WILL BE DONE WITH THAT PART OF IT. RIGHT NOW THE REASON IT WAS ALSO DELAYED IS THAT IT’S NOT JUST THE CAMERA EVERYONE THINKS YOU HAVE TO WEAR. THE CAMERA IN ITSELF IS THE EASIEST AND THE LEAST EXPENSIVE PART OF IT. IT’S THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO HIRE INDIVIDUALS TO INTERPRET THE DATA AND TO STORE THE DATA AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN’T GOING TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. SO IF YOU GO INTO SOMEBODY’S HOME AND YOU SCAN AROUND, BECAUSE THAT CAMERA IS NOW TAKING A PICTURE OF EVERYBODY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO RELEASE OUT OF THAT? WHAT IF YOU’RE SITTING IN A RESTAURANT, A POLICE OFFICER WALKS BY, HAS A CONFRONTATION — NOT A CONFRONTATION, BUT A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY, THAT ENDS UP GETTING SUBPOENAED IN. DOES THE FACT YOU’RE SITTING THERE HAVING A HOME SANDWICH, ROAST BEEF SANDWICH, ARE YOU NOW GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO BEING USED IN COURT? SO THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT HAD TO BE DONE. THERE WAS A THREE-YEAR PLAN WAS DONE BECAUSE IT WAS DONE LOGICALLY, IT ALLOWS THE CITY OF PHOENIX TO INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS AND WORK THOSE THINGS THROUGH. SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION, WHAT DOES EXPEDITED MEAN? WHAT IS THE PLAN? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT? YEAR-AND-A-HALF, TWO YEARS, THREE? RIGHT NOW WE’RE ON A THREE-YEAR PLAN.>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO I ASKED FOR IT TO BE THROWN BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY VETERANS SUBCOMMITTEE TO DEVELOP AN AGGRESSIVE IMPLEMENTATION TIME FRAME. ONCE THE VENDOR IS SELECTED. EARLIER TODAY I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION, I WAS SAYING I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON CITY COUNCIL, IT WILL BE FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS, AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BODY CAMERAS, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF BODY CAMERAS HAS BEEN DELAYED. IT WAS DELAYED TO THE FACT THAT THE VENDORS, TWO VENDORS FIGHTING WITH ONE ANOTHER, FINALLY THE OTHER VENDOR PURCHASED THE OTHER ONE, AND NOW WE HAVE ONE VENDOR. NOW WE’RE THROWING AN RFP BACK OUT. AND I WAS TOLD ONCE A VENDOR HAS BEEN SELECTED WITHIN OUR GROUP WE COULD DESIGN A PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTATION OUT TO THE DISTRICTS. I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC, AND THIS IS — I AGREE WITH THE GROUPS, BOTH GROUPS, IN THE SENSE IT’S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR BOTH PARTIES, AND BE ABLE, THEN, TO MOVE AND HAVE THE BODY CAMERAS ON THE GROUND AND BE ABLE TO SEE — OR BE ABLE TO HAVE EVIDENCE OR SEE FOOTAGE WHAT HAPPENED IN AN INCIDENT. IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF OUR INCIDENT REPORTS THAT WE GET, IT ALWAYS SAYS NO BODY CAMERA. NO BODY CAMERA. AND I THINK THIS WOULD HELP IN SEVERAL INCIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE THE FOOTAGE. SO THAT’S WHAT I WAS DOING.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THEN, TOO? HOW MANY PATROL OFFICERS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, ON PATROL? BECAUSE THAT IS THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.>>MAYOR WILLIAMS, COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I THINK WHAT YOU’RE ASKING IS HOW MANY CALL-TAKING UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE RESPONDING TO THAT 911 CALL. BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER UNIFORMS THAT DON’T NECESSARILY DO THAT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AGREED.>>JUST OVER 1100.>>Councilman DiCiccio: WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS CURRENTLY WEAR A BODY CAM?>>300.>>Councilman DiCiccio: OKAY. SO YOU’RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING 800 MORE OFFICERS WITH BODY CAMS.>>TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, IDEALLY AS WE GROW THE DEPARTMENT MOVING TOWARD 3125 THEN WE WOULD HAVE 1286 UNIFORMED FIRST RESPONDERS. THAT’S JUST THE FIRST RESPONDERS. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE YOU HAVE OFFICERS THAT RIDE MOTORCYCLES THAT DON’T COUNT IN THAT FIGURE. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT TEAM OFFICERS. WE HAVE COMMUNITY ACTION OFFICERS. SO IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM AS MUCH AS IS FEASIBLE TO DO SO TO ENSURE WE HAVE MAXIMUM COVERAGE BUT TO BE SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF UNIFORMS, ONCE WE GET TO 3125, WE’LL HAVE ALMOST 1300 FIRST RESPONDERS.>>Councilman DiCiccio: OF THOSE, 300 CURRENTLY HAVE THE BODY CAMS, CORRECT? THOSE ARE THE ON PATROL.>>WITH THE EXCEPTION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: OUT IN THE DISTRICTS.>>WITH THE EXCEPTION 17 CAMERAS ASSIGNED TO OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION SQUADS, ONES THAT SURGEON SERVE THE EMERGENT MENTAL HEALTH PICKUP ORDERS, THE REST ARE FIRST RESPONDERS.>>Councilman DiCiccio: OF THOSE 800, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE THREE-YEAR PLAN, CORRECT? ARE WE GOING TO BE EXPANDING IT TO THE ENTIRE 3125 OR SIT JUST TO THE 1300?>>THE PLAN WOULD BE TO PUT THEM ON THE UNIFORMS. SO — I DON’T THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT, COUNCILMAN, TO GIVE THEM TO DETECTIVES WHO NOT NECESSARILY FORWARD FACING, ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY ON A DAILY BASIS. TALKING ABOUT A THOUGHTFUL PLAN GOING FORWARD, THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES TO GO BEYOND THE UNIFORMED FIRST RESPONDERS AS I JUST MENTIONED. IDEALLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I KNOW CHIEF WILLIAMS IS COMMITTED TO DOING THIS, THOSE OFFICERS THAT ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON A REGULAR BASIS, RESPONDING TO 911 CALLS, TRAFFIC STOPS, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THEM WEARING THE TECHNOLOGY AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE TO DO SO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT’S 1300 WHEN WE’RE AT FULL CAPACITY, CORRECT?>>YES, SIR.>>Councilman DiCiccio: WHAT IS THE COST FOR THAT ADDITIONAL 800 TO 1,000 BODY CAMS, INCLUDING THE DATA AND EVERYTHING ELSE?>>COUNCILMAN, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT BETTER ONCE THE RFP RESPONDENTS SEND IN THEIR PLANS AND WE ARE BETTER ABLE TO EVALUATE IT. RIGHT NOW WE’RE IN SEARCH OF A VENDOR TO PROVIDE THAT. SO UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER.>>Councilman DiCiccio: ONE LAST QUESTION ON THE RECORD, THEN, WE’RE ONLY LOOKING AT THOSE 1300 THAT WOULD BE EMPLOYED AND WOULD BE THE UNIFORMS ON THE GROUND HAVING COMMUNICATION. THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS, DEPENDING WHERE WE ARE WITH THE NUMBER AT THE TIME, WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO WEAR THE BODY CAMS, CORRECT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT USING BODY CAMS ON DETECTIVES AND OTHERS? SAU –>>SO, COUNCILMAN, I’M NOT BEING COY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING. OUR PRIORITY IS TO OUTFIT UNIFORMED CALL-TAKING FIRST RESPONDERS FIRST. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE DILIGENT AND LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES AROUND THE NATION, LOOK AT WHAT MAKES SENSE AS WE POLICE OUR CITY TO SEE IF, AS YOU MENTIONED, OUR SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS UNIT OFFICERS, KNOWN AS S.W.A.T. IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY ON THEM. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE OUR MOTOR OFFICERS WEAR THE TECHNOLOGY. PERHAPS. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BEING A VERY TRANSPARENT POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THAT WE CAPTURE ANY INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY TO THE BEST EXTENT — TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. SO I’M A PROPONENT, I KNOW CHIEF WILLIAMS IS. ONCE WE IDENTIFY A VENDOR, MORE CAMERAS IS BETTER SO YOU HAVE A GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF CAPTURING AN ENTIRE EVENT. TO SAY ONLY 1300 WILL WEAR THE CAMERAS, I DON’T THINK THAT’S FAIR TO SAY.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT’S A POLICY DEBATE FOR LATER. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 3125 AS A MINIMUM — I THINK THE NUMBER NEEDS TO BE HIGHER ANYWAY, THE DATA STORAGE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS INSANE AND IT’S GOING TO BE EXORBITANT, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW NICE IT IS GOING TO BE TO DO ALL THAT AND HAVE ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS WEAR THESE CAMERAS BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINAL COST OF MANY, OUTSIDE OF THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, I THINK YOU’RE GOING TO END UP HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I AM NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK WE’RE ON PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN WE START LOOKING AT — AND EVEN THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WORKS EVEN AT A DESK OR PUTS IT ON — IT’S ILLOGICAL FOR ME. THANKS A LOT, MAYOR.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO WE HAVE MONEY IN THIS YEAR’S BUDGET, OR THE COMING BUDGET, FOR ADDITIONAL CAMERAS? AND HOW MANY?>>City Mgr. Zuercher: MAYOR, YES, THERE IS CURRENTLY $5 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THIS PROGRAM THAT’S AVAILABLE NOW, NEXT YEAR, WHENEVER WE GET THE PROCUREMENT DONE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: AND HOW MANY DOES THAT BUY?>>THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. WE’RE NOT SURE BECAUSE OF HOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING AND SOME THINGS ARE GOING UP — AS THE COUNCILMAN SAID, THE CAMERAS GENERALLY ARE BECOMING CHEAPER AND CHEAPER, BUT THE STORAGE IS WHERE THE MONEY IS AND THE PEOPLE TO MANAGE THE STORAGE. SO WE JUST DON’T HAVE A GOOD SENSE RIGHT NOW OF THAT COST.>>Int. Mayor Williams: BECAUSE I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION PROVIDED THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND TALK ABOUT THE COST AND THE AVAILABILITY YOU INCLUDE ALL OF THE COSTS. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT’S GOING TO COST AND TO STORE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE’RE TRANSPARENT BUT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF OUR BUDGET.>>YES, WE WILL DO THAT.>>Councilman Valenzuela: MAYOR –>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES?>>Councilman Valenzuela: JUST ONE MORE THING. I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO — I KNOW THAT WE — THERE HAS TO BE A SELECTION PROCESS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THIS IS A — THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO MAKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MORE INNOVATIVE THROUGH TECHNOLOGY. THE SOFTWARE THAT YOU CAN FIND OUT THERE NOW WITH BODY CAMS ALLOW POLICE OFFICERS TO KEEP THEIR HANDS FREED UP. RIGHT NOW THEY’RE DOING A TON OF PAPERWORK. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED WHAT IS OUT THERE, OFFICERS HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECORD A CONVERSATION, SOME OF THOSE THINGS GOING RIGHT INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM. SOME OF THE SOFTWARE IT WAS ARE USING THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY AND PHOENIX IS CATCHING UP IN THIS CASE, BUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION, IT USED TO BE THAT DOING THE PAPERWORK TOOK THE LONGEST. OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF LIABILITY AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. THERE’S NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE PAPERWORK THAT IT WAS DO IN THE FIELD VERSUS WHAT POLICE OFFICERS DO IN THE FIELD. SO THIS IS GOING TO GIVE OUR OFFICERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PATROL MORE, TO KEEP THEIR HANDS FREE. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. IT’S NOT JUST A CAMERA RECORDING SOMEONE. IT’S GOING TO HELP THAT OFFICER DO THEIR JOB. AND IN TURN I BELIEVE POTENTIALLY MAKING IT A SAFER CITY. SO THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CAN USE TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION TO HELP MOVE PUBLIC SAFETY FORWARD, IN PARTICULAR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I’M GLAD THAT IT’S BEING SUPPORTED BY THE MAYOR AS WELL. IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME. SHE HAS BEEN THE STRONGEST ADVOCATE FOR POLICE OFFICERS. SO THANK YOU.>>Councilwoman Gallego: EXPEDITING BODY CAMERAS IS A GREAT PUBLIC POLICY. IT WILL BE A WIN FOR OUR OFFICERS AND A WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY. I’M GLAD TO SEE THIS GOING FORWARD. I THINK IT’S WORTH NOTING EARLIER IN THE AGENDA THIS COUNCIL VOTED TO SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE TO SUPPORT THE BODY CAMERA PROGRAM SO WE DO HAVE SUPPORT FOR THAT PROGRAM. WE WANT IT TO BE INNOVATIVE AND COST-EFFECTIVE. I GET TO WORK ON THE EFFICIENCY SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT PROCESS. WE NEED TO TRANSPARENTLY PRODUCE RECORDS IN AN EXPEDITED WAY FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT. WE’VE HAD DIFFICULT STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE WHO NEEDED RECORDS AND COT GET THEM. WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I THINK AS — SORRY, I DIDN’T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.>>Councilwoman Gallego: I WILL TAKE A HINT AND CONCLUDE. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN –>>Councilman Waring: I GUESS I WOULD SAY THE DAY WILL COME WHEN EVERYBODY HAS THE BODY CAMERA. I’M NOT SURE TODAY IS THE DAY. HOW FAR BEHIND ON PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS IS THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW?>>AS YOU KNOW THERE WAS A TIME WHERE WE WERE ALMOST 22 MONTHS BEHIND. I’M HAPPY TO SAY WE’RE UP TO APRIL OF 2018 WITH OUR PUBLIC RECORDS PROJECT.>>Councilman Waring: SO YOU’VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SO IT’S STILL TAKING A WHILE. I GUESS I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CREATING SOMETHING COMPLICATED TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC RECORDS. THE COMMENT ABOUT THERE WAS AN ITEM IN OUR AGENDA EARLIER TO SUPPORT THE ALREADY EXISTING CAMERAS. THAT WASN’T FOR NEW CAMERAS. THAT’S NOT EXPANDING THE POOL OF 300 IN ANY WAY. I DO THINK AT SOME POINT THIS WILL HAPPEN. I’D RATHER SPEND EXCESS MONEY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW HIRING MORE POLICE OFFICERS THAN DOING THE CAMERAS, WHICH WE COULD USE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY TRAFFIC STOP RESULTS IN USING THIS DATA, BUT IT STILL GETS COLLECTED, IT’S GOT TO BE STORED, CORRECT? YOU CAN’T GET RID OF IT. AT SOME POINT OBVIOUSLY TECHNOLOGY, THINGS WILL GET MORE EFFICIENT. THE TWO COMPANIES WHO WERE FIGHTING OVER THIS BEFORE MERGED. THAT SOMETIMES PRODUCES EFFICIENCIES INVASION AND SO FORTH, BUT I — I WOULD HAVE QUALMS TRYING TO EXPEDITE SOMETHING THAT I ALREADY THOUGHT WAS MOVING A LITTLE TOO FAST GIVEN WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY IS RIGHT NOW. SO I’M GOING TO VOTE NO. THANK YOU.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I WANTED TO AMEND MY MOTION THAT AND I WANTED TO — IN THE AMENDMENT I WANTED TO ASK IN THE SEPTEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE THAT THERE WOULD BE A COST ANALYSIS WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS IN SEPTEMBER AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY VETERANS SUBCOMMITTEE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? OKAY.>>YES. I’M GOING TO AGREE WITH LAURA.>>Int. Mayor Williams: LOCAL CALL. –>>Councilwoman Pastor: THE MOTION WAS TO ON THE SEPTEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE TO HAVE A COST ANALYSIS AT THE SEPTEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE REGARDING THE BODY CAMERAS, THE STORAGE, ALL OF IT TO KNOW WHAT THE COST IS.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AND NOTHING ELSE? I’M GOOD WITH THAT. I LIKE TO HEAR — I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I KNOW YOU DO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THANK YOU FOR THAT.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I’M ADDING IT TO MY –>>City Mgr. Zuercher: A MOTION TO GO TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO DISCUSS EXPEDITING AND AS PART OF THAT HAVE A COST ANALYSIS AS BEST WE KNOW IT IN SEPTEMBER.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES. AND I WILL MOVE TO FORWARD THIS ITEM TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND VETERANS SUBCOMMITTEE TO DEVELOP AN AGGRESSIVE IMPLEMENTATION TIME FRAME ONCE A VENDOR HAS BEEN SELECTED IN THAT ADDITION I WOULD LIKE A COST ANALYSIS OF THE BODY CAMERAS, THE WHOLE PACKAGE, MEANING STORAGE, ALL THE PIECES THAT GO INTO BODY CAMERAS.>>Councilman Nowakowski: MAYOR?>>Int. Mayor Williams: COUNCILMAN?>>Councilman Nowakowski: AS CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION WE’VE HAD FOR A WHILE. I KNOW THEY’RE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU ALL NEED TO ACTUALLY BRING BACK THAT INFORMATION? WOULD SEPTEMBER BE ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU ALL? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU HAD LIKE A FOUR-MONTH WINDOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU’RE LOOKING AT.>>MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE CERTAINLY CAN COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS ASKING FOR BUT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO A FULL COST ANALYSIS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: WHAT WE’RE WAITING FOR IS THE PRICING INFORMATION FROM THE VENDORS BUT WE CAN DO A COST ANALYSIS AS BEST WE CAN –>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO YOU CAN DO AN ESTIMATE.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: YES.>>Councilwoman Pastor: LIKE WE DO IN OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES WHERE THERE’S AN ESTIMATE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE THE VENDOR IS CHOSEN, THEN IT COMES BACK TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN WE’RE TOLD, WELL, THIS IS REALLY WHAT IT’S GOING TO COST FOR WHAT YOU’RE ASKING FOR, SO YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION DO WE WANT TO ADD MONEY OR DO WE WANT TO TRACK SOMETHING, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: RIGHT. YES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I’M GOING TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NO.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: NO.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. 6-2 ABOUT THAT. 223?>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVE ITEM 223.>>Int. Mayor Williams: DO I HAVE A SECOND?>>WHAT IS THE MOTION?>>Councilwoman Gallego: THIS ONE IS IN DISTRICT 8. I COULD OFFER A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE DENY THE PETITION AND DIRECT THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMISSION TO STUDY HOW AND WHERE THE CITY CAN SUPPORT THE CHINESE COMMUNITY AND ITS PARTNERS IN CELEBRATING AND HONORING THE RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE OF PHOENIX’S CHINESE COMMUNITY.>>SECOND.>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. WE HAVE CARDS AND I WILL TRY TO — ASK THEM TO TRY TO KEEP IT — — THEIR SPEECH TO TWO MINUTES IF YOU CAN. I ALLOW YOU TO SUPPORT ANOTHER PERSON — TWO PEOPLE CAN DONATE TIME TO ONE, BUT A MAXIMUM OF THE SIX MINUTES. THAT INCLUDES ANY PRESENTATION OR VIDEO. IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE MOTION.>>I HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS FOR THE COUNCIL. CAN I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FROM YOU, MAYOR? SINCE I HAVE — I’M THE ONE THAT FILED THE PETITION, WHAT ARE THE TIME CONSTRAINTS YOU HAVE ME UNDER?>>Int. Mayor Williams: EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR TWO MINUTES, AND I HAD HEARD YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE DONATE TIME TO YOU, BUT I’M GOING TO LIMIT THAT TO TWO PEOPLE CAN DONATE SO YOU CAN HAVE A MAXIMUM OF SIX MINUTES IF YOU HAVE THOSE DONATIONS?>>ALL RIGHT. WE DO. BUT I THINK I ONLY NEED FOUR MINUTES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: SOUNDS BETTER. THANK YOU.>>MAYOR AND COUNCIL PEOPLE, I’M THOMAS SIMON. I REPRESENT CHINESE UNITED WHICH REPRESENTS 29 ASIAN-AMERICAN ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN THE PHOENIX METRO AREA. I ALSO REPRESENT BEIJING GARDEN RESTAURANT, SUPER L RANCH MARKET AND SZECHUAN PALACE RESTAURANT. MY CONVERSATION IS MAINLY GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT’S IN YOUR DISTRICT HOW YOU VOTE ON THESE KINDS OF THINGS IS VITALLY IMPORTANT, AND WHETHER YOU VOTE FOR THIS PETITION WILL SWAY OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL. I WANT TO THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, FOR MEETING WITH US TODAY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMAN VALENZUELA DID NOT TAKE TIME TO MEET WITH US. I WANT THE MINORITIES WATCHING OR LISTENING TO THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN A MINORITY GROUP WANTED TO TALK WITH HIM ABOUT A PETITION HE REFUSED TO MEET WITH US. THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT THIS PETITION TALKS ABOUT. ONE OF THEM IS THE CONDUCT OF TRUE NORTH VERSUS CHARLIE LI AND SUPER L RANCH MARKET. TRUE NORTH SUED CHARLIE LI AFTER HE TALKED TO THIS COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND HE TOLD THE COUNCIL TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THEY DEALT WITH TRUE NORTH BECAUSE HE DOUBTED THAT THEY WERE HONEST. TRUE NORTH SUED CHARLIE LI FOR DEFAMATION FOR THE WORDS THAT HE USED TO THE COUNCIL. THE COURT DISMISSED TRUE NORTH’S CASE AND I HAVE SUPPLIED YOU WITH THE MINUTE ENTRY OF THE COURT LABELED EXHIBIT A. AND THE SAID THE COURT FINDS THE COMPLAINT IN THIS MATTER WAS FILED TO DETER OR INFRINGE UPON DEFENDANT’S EXERCISE OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS SUCH AS THOSE STATEMENTS HE MADE AT THE PHOENIX CITY COUNCIL MEETING DURING WHICH THE PLAINTIFF’S PURCHASE OF AND REPURPOSING OF THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER HAD BEEN TREATED BY PLAINTIFF. THE COURT FINDS THAT THE ANTISLAP LAW QUALIFIES AS A LEGAL ACTION. SO THE COURT FOUND THAT TRUE NORTH WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW BY SUING SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE’RE ASKING FOR YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, NOT IN OUR BACK DOOR, NOT IN OUR YARD. WE DON’T WANT YOU BIG COMPANIES TO COME SUE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY TALK AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. THE COURT ALREADY ESTABLISHED THEY DID THAT. THEY DISMISSED THE CASE. YOU EVER THE FULL COURT MINUTE ENTRY THAT TELLS YOU WHY THEY DISMISSED THE CASE AGAINST CHARLIE LI AND WHY THEY SANCTIONED TRUE NORTH. TRUE NORTH’S ATTORNEYS ARE HERE TODAY. I SAW THEM. IT’S GOOD TO SEE THEM HERE TODAY. THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SPEAK. I WOULD REMIND YOU YOU COULD BUY ALL THE LIPSTICK AT NORDSTROM AND IF YOU PUT ON IT A PIG, IT’S STILL A PIG. SO REMEMBER THAT WHEN THEY GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS YOU. THE SECOND ITEM IN OUR PETITION ASKS THAT THE COUNCIL MAKE SURE THAT THEY TELL TRUE NORTH THAT IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THE WAY THAT THEY TREATED BEIJING GARDENS. THE CHEF IS IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. HE OWNS BEIJING GARDEN RESTAURANT. AND HE SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF TRUE NORTH. TRUE NORTH AND THEIR ATTORNEYS ORCHESTRATED A SCHEME TO CUT HIS PHONE LINES FOUR TIMES, TO CUT HIS INTERNET FOUR TIMES, TO STEAL THEIR ELECTRICITY AND MOVE THE ELECTRICITY INTO THEIR NAME AND THEN SHUT THE ELECTRICITY OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF LUNCHTIME WHEN PEOPLE WERE EATING. THEY DID THAT TO THIS FAMILY BUSINESS RIGHT THERE. THEY PUT HIM OUT OF BUSINESS BY DOING WHAT THE COURT SAID, AND I SUPPLIED YOU WITH THE COURT’S TALKING POINTS, MR. PAYNE, WHO IS SITTING RIGHT HERE SAID TO THE COURT, AND SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COOK, SO IF THEY THEN COOK WE HAVEN’T CREATED THAT DANGER. THEY HAVE RIGHT? AND THE COURT SAID, NO, CRIMINALLY WRONG. NO, I MEAN, RIDICULOUSLY CRIMINALLY WRONG. AND THE COURT SAID THE FACT THAT YOU, SPEAKING TO MR. PAYNE, WOULD SAY THAT TO ME IS AMAZING TO ME. IF YOU CREATE A CONDITION WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET HURT AND THEN SAY, WELL, IT’S ONLY A DANGER IF THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE, OTHERWISE IT’S OUR PROPERTY, WE CAN DO WITH IT WHAT WE WANT, YOU ARE GOING TO BE ACROSS THE STREET, COURT TOLD HIM, IN THE SOUTH COURT TOWER FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES IF YOU ARE DOING THAT. THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE. TRUE NORTH IS NOT A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN. THEY PUT THIS MAN OUT OF BUSINESS BY USING CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST HIM, AND WE’RE ASKING THIS CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, NOT IN OUR CITY. FINALLY, AND I’LL WRAP IT UP, THE CHINESE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION HAS WRITTEN A LETTER, AND I’LL FORWARD IT TO YOU, SUPPORTING THIS PETITION. THEY REPRESENT HUNDREDS OF ASIANS RESTAURANTS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND THEY HAVE ASKED YOU MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TO SEND A MESSAGE TODAY, BECAUSE THEIR CONSTITUENTS, OWNERS OF SMALL CHINESE BUSINESSES AND ASIAN RESTAURANTS IN THIS COMMUNITY, ARE AFRAID THAT IT COULD BE THEM NEXT, THAT SOMEHOW, SOMEWHERE, SOMEBODY LIKE MR. PAYNE AND TRUE NORTH WILL SHOW UP AND USE RIM CRIMINALLY WRONG ACTS TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. SO WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THIS PETITION. AND I WANT TO FINALLY SAY, MISS GALLEGO, WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MEETING WITH US TODAY. WE THINK IT’S IMPORTANT AS YOU RUN FOR MAYOR THAT THE MINORITY POPULATION, INCLUDING THE ASIAN POPULATION, UNDERSTANDS WHO REALLY STANDS UP FOR MINORITIES IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]>>Int. Mayor Williams: COME ON. KIM BAKER?>>I’M JUST GOING TO BE BRIEF. I HAVE — THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL. MISS GALLEGO. I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHINESE COMMUNITY, AND I STAND IN SUPPORT. I FEEL THEIR PAIN. AND YOU KNOW, AMERICA WAS LOOKED AT ONE TIME AS THE GREAT MELTING POT. IT’S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT THEY COULD COME AND BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE TO HELP CREATE AN OASIS FOR ALL TO ABIDE IN, AND, YOU KNOW, I’M LOOKING AT — I LIKE JAMBALAYA. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU. BUT IF YOU TAKE THE CRAB LEGS OUT, I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE. I DON’T COMPARE THE CHINESE COMMUNITY TO CRAB LEGS, BUT THEY ARE VERY VITAL TO OUR EXISTENCE. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. GEORGE ORTIZ?>>THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS GEORGE ORTIZ, I’M CHAIRMAN OF LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT 19. I WOULD LIKE TO STAND UP IN SUPPORT OF THE PHOENIX CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. WE HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL VOTE TO CONDEMN TRUE NORTH COMPANY FOR ITS ILLEGAL ACTIONS AGAINST ITS RENTERS AT THE PHOENIX CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. WE BELIEVE THE ACTIONS TAKEN BY TRUE NORTH AND ITS SUBSIDIARIES AGAINST BEIJING GARDENS DO NOT REPRESENT THE BEST PRACTICES IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. WE STAND HERE IN SUPPORT OF OUR FRIENDS AND THE CHINESE PEOPLE IN SUPPORT OF THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. I’VE BEEN A FRIEND OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS AND AN ACTIVIST ON THE WEST SIDE AND A RADIO HOST. AND A GOOD FRIEND OF SOME CITY COUNCILMEMBERS HERE. UNTIL TODAY I’VE SAT IN THE CHAMBERS IN SUPPORT OF OFFICERS AND OF OTHER PROGRAMS BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. TODAY I MUST STAND AND GIVE MY SUPPORT TO THE VERY IMPORTANT CAUSE. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION — YOUR TIME.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. VIRGINIA CHIN?>>MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, MY NAME IS HENRY CHIN, AND THE CRISIS OF THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER HAS BEEN LASTING FOR MORE THAN 10 MONTHS. IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME I HAVE SHARED HOW THE CITY OF PHOENIX DISCRIMINATES, PREJUDICE OUR CHINESE-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, SMALL BUSINESSES. [INDISCERNIBLE] INCLUDING A SPEECH HERE BEFORE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE BRUTALLY INTIMIDATED. [INDISCERNIBLE] BY THE CITY FOR [INDISCERNIBLE] BECAUSE YOU OF YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT OUR COMMUNITY HAS FAILED — THERE ARE RUMORS [INDISCERNIBLE] CHINESE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE IS — YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNISTS TO PERSECUTE OUR LOCAL CHINESE COMMUNITY. IT’S A SCANDAL. COMMUNIST CHINA — I MEAN, THE COMMUNIST MANAGER IS CORRECT AND HE WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO [INDISCERNIBLE] THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. THIS IS A REPUBLICAN TREE AND YOU WORK WITH THE COMMUNISTS. BE CAREFUL ABOUT COMMUNISTS. IF YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY — SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO ASK COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO. I KNOW YOU ARE RUNNING FOR THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX. YOU DON’T CARE OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY’S INTEREST. WHAT INTERESTS ARE YOU RUNNING FOR? YOU DON’T CARE [INDISCERNIBLE] SEVERAL –>>THANK YOU, SIR. LESLIE ANTONE? NOT LESLIE. LISA.>>HEY, GUYS. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE REASON WHY I CAME TODAY. WHEN WE WERE BACK IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE WERE CAME TO STAND UP FOR THE POLICE FOR, I DON’T KNOW THE THIRD OR FOURTH OR FIFTH TIME, THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER WAS ON THE SAME DAY, AND UNTIL THEN I HADN’T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND WE GOT — HOW LONG WAS THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING? MAYBE NINE HOURS. SO WE SPENT NINE HOURS GETTING TO KNOW THESE PEOPLE AND TALKING TO THEM AND LISTENING TO THEIR STORIES AND IT’S HEARTBREAKING, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE DEAL IS DONE AND THERE’S NOT A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE AT THIS POINT TO PROBABLY SAVE THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER, I THINK THAT THAT’S A BLIGHT ON PHOENIX, WATCHING KIDS COME UP AND CRY AT THE THOUGHT OF LOSING THIS PLACE THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO THEM, AND TO UNDERSTAND IT’S A BUSINESS DEAL AND IT’S DONE, BUT I WOULD ASK, AND ESPECIALLY GALLEGO — COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT, AND I KNOW THAT YOU’VE GONE ON “TUCKER CARLSON” AND SPOKE UP FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU STAND UP FOR THE CHINESE-AMERICANS, FOR THE AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT ARE HURTING. THEY ARE A MINORITY COMMUNITY AND THEY NEED YOUR VOICE AND THEY NEED YOU TO STAND UP AND SAY THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW BULLYING OF BIG CORPORATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND IF YOU CAN’T DO THAT, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE YOU SHOULD BE IN THE CITY BECAUSE IT SHOULDN’T BE SITTING UP THERE. YOU DON’T REPRESENT ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE. YOU REPRESENT ALL GROUPS IN YOUR DISTRICT. AND ACTIONS OF THIS CORPORATION AGAINST A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER HIDEOUS, AND I’M A CAPITALIST. I’M A 100% DOWN THE LINE CAPITALIST. BUT I DON’T BELIEVE IN BULLYING. AND THAT IS BULLISH BEHAVIOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND IT’S CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR AND IT’S ON YOU, IT’S ON ALL OF YOU TO DENOUNCE. BUT KATE GALLEGO, IT’S ON YOU THE HARDEST.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK YOU. DAVID GILES? DAVID HERE?>>MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU. MY NAME IS DAVE GILES, RUNNING FOR UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN CD9. I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING AND MASTER’S IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND I’M A JET PILOT. MY CAREER HAS AFFORDED ME OPPORTUNITY TO WORK DOMESTICALLY AND FOREIGNLY. WHEN I WORKED OVERSEAS I WORKED OVERSEAS IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR MORE THAN 2022 YEARS. THERE I LEARNED MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES AND THE VALUE THAT IS WITHIN THEM. MANY OF MY FRIENDS ARE CHINESE, THEY ARE OVER THERE STILL, BUT I LEARNED TO APPRECIATE THE CHINESE CULTURE, THE CHINESE ART, AND NOT ONLY THE PAINTINGS BUT THE ROSEWOOD, TEAKWOOD AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN TO HELP PRESERVE THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. THERE IS VALUE THERE. I APPRECIATE IT AND I’M SURE THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT APPRECIATE IT AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK YOU. FONG HO?>>MAYOR AND COUNCILMEN, MY NAME IS FONG HO. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU A REAL LIFE STORY. 20 YEARS AGO A FAMILY WITH TWO LITTLE GIRLS AND THEIR PARENTS MOVED INTO A NEW HOUSE. THEY PLANTED TREES IN THE FRONT YARD AND THE BACKYARD. ONE DAY FOR SOME REASON THE DAD DECIDED TO CUT DOWN ONE OF THE TREES. BUT HIS WIFE AND GIRLS WANTED TO KEEP THE TREE BECAUSE THEY LOVED IT. THEY DISCUSSED AND THE WIFE POINTED OUT CUTTING DOWN THE TREE WOULDN’T RESOLVE ANY ISSUE. SO EVENTUALLY THE DAD RECONSIDERED, AND TODAY THE TREE IS STILL THERE. SO I THINK THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER FACES THE SIMILAR ISSUE. FOR 20 YEARS I LIVE HERE, I DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING WRONG FOR [INDISCERNIBLE] I DO NOT BELIEVE THE GLAZE OF THE COLOR TILES THE GARDEN COULD BE THE REASON THAT BUSINESS WENT — NOT WENT WELL. THERE WAS NO TRUTH. SO INSTEAD OF — MY POINT IS IF IT IS A MANAGEMENT ISSUE, WE SHOULD CHANGE THE MANAGEMENT INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE OUTSIDE LOOK OF THE CENTER. ACCORDING TO THE EXPERIENCE OF BEIJING GARDENS, SZECHUAN PALACE AND THE SUPER L RANCH MARKET, THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CENTER DOES HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. THAT’S WHY I SUPPORTED THE PETITION. THANK YOU.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK YOU. JENNIFER HARRISON?>>HI, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] MOVEMENT AZ WE STAND WITH OUR CHINESE COMMUNITY. THESE ARE SOME OF THE MOST HARD WORKING, LAW ABIDING, SUCCESSFUL AMERICANS WE HAVE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND TO HEAR THE STORIES OF WHAT THE GENTLEMAN FROM BEIJING GARDENS HAS BEEN PUT THROUGH WITH THE CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST THEIR BUSINESS, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AND HAVING THEM REMOVE FROM THE BUILDING AND LOCKED OUT, IT’S HEARTBREAKING. WE UNDERSTAND IT IS A BUSINESS DEAL AND THE TRANSACTION IS DONE AND THERE’S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT WHAT WE ASK OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS TO STAND UP AND DENOUNCE THE CORPORATE BULLYING AND THESE PRACTICES OF THREATENING AND INTIMIDATING CITIZENS THAT AREN’T AS FINANCIALLY ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IN COURT, AND SO WE ASK THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX STANDS UP AND DENOUNCES TRUE NORTH AND THEIR ACTIONS THEY HAVE TAKEN AGAINST THE CITIZENS OF PHOENIX. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: CHRISTOPHER PAYNE?>>MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I AM APPARENTLY THE PIG THAT MR. SIMON WAS REFERRING TO WEARING LIPSTICK TODAY, BUT I REPRESENT 668 NORTH AND TRUE NORTH COMPANIES. I HAVE REPRESENTED THEM THROUGH THE LITIGATION THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED IN THIS PETITION AS WELL. I THINK MY GOAL DURING MY TIME HERE IS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF REALITY AND A FACT CHECK TO THE FICTION THAT’S BEING ADVANCED HERE THAT TRUE NORTH IS, ONE, A BULLY AND, TWO, HAS NO RESPECT FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNITY. THE FACTS QUITE SIMPLY DON’T SUPPORT THAT FICTION AND ARE CONTRARY TO THOSE CONCEPTS AND THOSE THOUGHTS. SO LET ME START BY ADDRESSING THIS IDEA THAT WE WERE ENGAGED IN SOME CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OR CONDUCT. JUDGE WHITTON HAD A HYPOTHETICAL CONVERSATION WITH ME DURING THE HEARING. HE MADE IT CLEAR IT WAS HYPOTHETICAL. HE DID NOT TAKE ANY EVIDENCE. HE MADE IT CLEAR HE WAS NOT MAKING ANY FACTUAL FINDINGS. TWO DAYS LATER AFTER MR. SIMON ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE ACCUSING ME OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT, ACCUSING MY CLIENT OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT WE WERE AGAIN IN FRONT OF JUDGE WHITTON. MR. SIMON ELECTED NOT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE TRANSCRIPT THAT FROM HEARING, BUT IN THAT HEARING JUDGE WHITTON VERY CLEARLY SAID THAT HE DID NOT INTEND TO MAKE ANY FINDINGS THAT ANY OF OUR ACTIONS WERE CRIMINAL, NOR DID HE MAKE ANY FINDINGS. HE CLARIFIED THAT IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION. AND HE ADDED HE WAS OFFENDED AT THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT HE HAD REACHED A CONCLUSION THAT ANY OF OUR ACTS WERE CRIMINAL. QUITE SIMPLY THEY ARE NOT AND WERE NOT CRIMINAL. NOW, LET’S TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT HERE. THAT NOTION OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR WAS RAISED IN LITIGATION. THE LITIGATION HAS BEEN ADVANCED BY THE CHINESE COMMUNITY. THERE HAVE BEEN SIX — AT LEAST SIX PIECES OF LITIGATION TARGETING MY CLIENT INDIVIDUALLY OR AS ENTITIES. THREE OF THOSE HAVE REACHED SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION TO WHICH — LET ME JUST CLARIFY THE ACTIONS HERE THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BULLYING. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL LANDLORD-TENANT SITUATION. WE RECEIVED AN ORDER. I THINK YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU — FROM THE COURT THAT SAID WE COULD CONTINUE WITH OUR SELF-HELP REMEDIES, AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. THERE IS NO RULING FROM ANY COURT THAT SAID WE ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. HEY, KNOCK IT OFFER. STEVEN ANDERSON.>>MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. STEVEN ANDERSON, 2 NORTH CENTRAL. WE ALSO REPRESENT TRUE NORTH AND 668 AND DAVID IN THREE OF THE SEVEN PIECES OF LITIGATION PENDING. TRUE NORTH IS AS YOU ALL KNOW A LOCALLY BASED COMPANY THAT IS DESIRING TO RELOCATE ITS CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS TO THE CITY OF PHOENIX. I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY REITERATE THE ARGUMENTS WE ALREADY SET FORTH IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION IN A LETTER WE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL EARLIER AND ALSO INDICATE OUR SUPPORT FOR COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO’S MOTION IN BOTH ITS PARTS, INCLUDING THE PART ABOUT SUPPORTING THE CHINESE CULTURAL EFFORT AS YOU KNOW OUR CLIENT HAS ALREADY MADE BOTH PRACTICAL AND FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS TO SUPPORT AND PRESERVE THE ARTWORKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE GARDEN AT THE CENTER. WE THINK THAT THE PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU IS — GOT THREE MAJOR FLAWS WITH IT. THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IT’S A BAD GENERALLY FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF ARBITRATING BUSINESS DISAGREEMENTS. WE’RE ABOUT FIVE HOURS INTO THIS MEETING ALREADY. IF YOU START ARBITRATING EVERY BUSINESS DISAGREEMENT THAT OCCURS IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX YOU NEVER GET ANYTHING ELSE DONE. THAT IS A FLOOD GATE I DO NOT THINK YOU WANT TO OPEN. THE SECOND REASON WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PETITION IS THAT WE THINK IT’S A BAD IDEA IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION BECAUSE THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS A DEFENDANT IN THIS LITIGATION, AT LEAST IN TWO OF THE PIECES OF LITIGATION, ALONG WITH OUR CLIENTS. WE DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS A WISE IDEA FOR THE CITY TO TAKE SIDES PUBLICLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL EITHER FOR OR AGAINST ANY PARTY TO THOSE PIECES OF LITIGATION. YOU HAVE ABLE COUNCIL COUNSEL WHO CAN ADVISE YOU BUT I WOULD DISCOURAGE YOU FROM DOING IT. LASTLY AS WAS JUST INDICATED BY CHRIS, WE THINK IT’S A BAD IDEA BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT’S GONE ON IN THIS CASE, SPECIFICALLY IN THREE OF THE SEVEN PIECES OF LITIGATION TRIAL COURTS HAVE ALREADY RULED IN OUR FAVOR. THE FORCIBLE DETAINER ACTION AGAINST THE RESTAURANT HAS BEEN UPHELD IN OUR FAVOR. THE FEDERAL TRIAL COURT JUDGES DISMISSED DISCRIMINATION CLAIMS AGAINST OUR CLIENT. AND IN THE CY&R LITIGATION THE TRIAL COURT JUDGE RULED IN OUR FAVOR AS WELL. THE COURTS ARE DOING THEIR JOCKS. WE SUGGEST YOU ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE. THANK YOU.>>MAY I ASK A QUESTION? COULD YOU, MR. ANDERSON, ON WHAT YOU JUST ABOUT THE FORCIBLE DETAINER.>>I CAN. JUST IN FULL CANDOR, MR. PAYNE IS HANDLING THAT LITIGATION –>>Councilwoman Gallego: MAYBE THE QUESTION SHOULD BE FOR MR. PAYNE.>>LET’S GO TO THE SOURCE.>>COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO, HOW CAN I HELP YOU?>>Councilwoman Gallego: YOU, MR. ANDERSON MENTIONED LITIGATION OVER A FORCIBLE DETAINER. COULD YOU GIVE US THE STATUS OF THAT AND ELABORATE MORE?>>ABSOLUTELY, YOUR HONOR. I’M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO. I’M USED TO BEING IN COURT. LET FEE GIVE YOU A QUICK LAYOUT OF THAT LITIGATION. WE WERE SUED BY BEIJING GARDENS, THE CHEF IN THAT CASE, ASKING FOR AN INJUNCTION TO PREVENT US FROM USING OUR STATUTORY RIGHTS, OUR SELF-HELP REMEDY TO LOCK BEIJING GARDENS OUT AT THE END OF THEIR LEASE, WHICH WAS AT THE END OF JANUARY. I SHOULD NOTE THAT I PERSONALLY WROTE LETTERS TO THEIR COUNSEL EXTENDING AND OPENING AN TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY INDICATING QUITE CLEARLY WE WERE WILLING TO AND WANTED TO WORK WITH THEM TO ALLOW THAT BUSINESS TO CONTINUE AND STAY IN PLACE, BUT FOR SOME PERIOD LESS THAN WHAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO, WHICH WAS A FIVE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE LEASE. WE GOT NO RESPONSE TO OUR OFFER TO DISCUSS SOME WAY TO RESOLVE THAT SITUATION. AS PART OF THE LITIGATION PROCEEDINGS WE ALSO BROUGHT A CLAIM WHICH IS KNOWN AS FORCIBLE DETAINER. IT’S TYPICALLY KNOWN AS THE EVICTION ACTION. THAT WAS HEARD IN A SUMMARY FASHION BEFORE A COMMISSIONER, AND ALL OF THE ARGUMENTS WERE CONSIDERED ABOUT WHETHER THEY WERE ENTITLED TO AN EXTENSION OR NOT. WHAT THE COURT FOUND IS THEY WERE NOT ENTITLED TO AN EXTENSION, THAT THE LEASE EXPIRED ON JANUARY 31st, 2018 AND EVERY DAY AFTER THAT THEY CONTINUED TO OCCUPY THE PREMISES THEY WERE GUILTY OF FORCIBLE DETAINER AND THAT WE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO EVICT THEM. BETWEEN THAT RULING AND NOW WE WERE ABLE TO USE OUR RIGHTS TO LOCK THEM OUT. SO WE NOW HAVE POSSESSION OF THAT. WE HAVE POSSESSION OF THE EQUIPMENT WHICH WE ACTUALLY OWNED AND WE WERE ALLOWING THE 10 OPPORTUNITY TO USE. WE HAVE OFFERED TO TRY TO RELOCATE THE TENANT, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE EQUIPMENT, AND THERE’S A PENDING REQUEST FOR OVER $90,000 AS DAMAGES IN THAT CASE THAT WE’VE INDICATED WE WOULD BE WILLING TO WAIVE AND TRANSPORT THE EQUIPMENT TO A NEW LOCATION TO ALLOW BEIJING GARDENS TO CONTINUE THEIR BUSINESS JUST IN ANOTHER LOCATION. AND SO THAT’S THE STATUS OF THAT.>>Int. Mayor Williams: NEXT IS JOANNA –>>YOU NEED TO REPLY –>>Int. Mayor Williams: I HAVEN’T HEARD THE COUNSEL ASK FOR A REBUTTAL –>>Councilman Nowakowski: I WILL ASK TOM TO GO AHEAD –>>I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, TOO.>>PURE FALLACY. WHAT YOU JUST HEARD IS AN UTTER, COMPLETE DISINFORMATION FROM MR. PAYNE. HE DIDN’T MENTION TO YOU THAT THAT CASE IS BEFORE THE APPELLATE COURT RIGHT NOW. WHY DIDN’T HE MENTION THAT TO YOU? ASK YOURSELF WHETHER YOU’RE BEING DEALT TRUTHFULLY WITH. THIS BUSINESS OF HIM TAKING THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY OWNED. CHEF TIAN WROTE A $4800 CHECK FOR THAT EQUIPMENT. HE HAS IT. AND THEY STOLE HIS EQUIPMENT. NOW THEY’RE SAYING — THEY’RE TELLING YOU THE COUNCIL THAT THEY OWN THAT EQUIPMENT? RIDICULOUS. THERE IS NO WAY TO INTERPRET WHAT THE JUDGE SAID TO MR. PAYNE BUT THAT THEY WERE CRIMINALLY WRONG. THE JUDGE SAID, NO, CRIMINALLY WRONG. NO, I MEAN RIDICULOUSLY CRIMINALLY WRONG. FOR MR. PAYNE TO STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU THAT THE JUDGE SAID TO HIM THAT HE WAS CRIMINALLY WRONG IN A HYPOTHETICAL WHEN YOU HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT IN FRONT OF YOU SAYING OTHERWISE IS A DISTORTION OF THE FACTS, PURPOSEFUL, AND YOU SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO IS WILLING TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND UTTERLY LIE TO YOU ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE SITUATION AND ASK YOURSELF ONE MORE TIME, WHY DID HE STAND UP HERE FOR THAT MUCH TIME AND NOT TELL YOU THAT THIS WAS ON APPEAL? WE’VE ALREADY WON ANOTHER APPEAL AGAINST THEM, WHICH KEEPS THEM FROM DESTROYING THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE’LL WIN THIS NEXT APPEAL. BUT DON’T BE FOOLED, CITY COUNCIL. DON’T BE FOOLED.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. JOANNA DONG?>>GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOANNA A. THIS IS MY SECOND TIME TO SPEAK AT THE HEARING. WE ARE HERE TOGETHER TO FIGHT FOR THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER AGAIN. WE DO NOT ONLY WANT OUR VOICE TO BE HEARD BUT WANT OUR PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED. WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT THE HUMAN RIGHTS, TREAT PEOPLE EQUALLY AND EFFECTIVELY RESPOND TO PEOPLE’S EXPECTATIONS AND APPEALS. FIRST, LET ME START OUR CONVERSATION FROM GRATITUDE. I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO MADE EVERY EFFORT TO SAVE THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER, EVEN I SHOULD BE THANKFUL TO THE TRUE NORTH COMPANY. LEARNING TO BE GRATEFUL THROUGHOUT THIS ISSUE CHANGED THE WAY WE INTERPRET OUR LIFE. THE INTENTION OF THE TRUE NORTH TO DEMOLISH THE CHINESE CULL CHERT CENTER MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE REALIZING HOW WONDERFUL AND VALUABLE THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER IS. BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE, THE KIND AMERICANS AND AMERICAN HERITAGE WHO SHARE THE SAME HERITAGE [INDISCERNIBLE] FOR SAVING THE BEAUTIFUL GARDEN AND NEVER COMPROMISES PRICELESS TREASURES THAT BELONGS TO ALL HUMANKIND. BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE, I — YOUNGER GENERATIONS GAINED OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP LEADERSHIP AND PRACTICE PUBLIC SPEAKING SKILLS THROUGH THIS CAMPAIGN. THE MORE HARD SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING, THE MORE IT IS TREASURED. SECONDLY, LET ME TALK ABOUT BELIEFS. MAYBE — [INDISCERNIBLE] TO SAVE THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. LET MIC EXPLAIN HOW IMPORTANT AND MEANINGFUL IT IS. MY WHOLE FAMILY [INDISCERNIBLE] WHEN I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD. THIS CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER FULLY DEMONSTRATES WHAT TRUTH, GOOD AND BEAUTY LOOKS LIKE. THAT’S WHY WE DO NOT WANT THIS PRECIOUS CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER TO BE DEMOLISHED. PEOPLE ARE JUST — WE THE PEOPLE EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT BE IMPARTIAL AND TREAT US EQUALLY. I AM PROUD OF THE ANCIENT CHINESE CULTURAL AND LOVE LEARNING IT. THERE WAS A CHINESE SAYING THAT MEANS [INDISCERNIBLE] CAN CARRY HEAVY RESPONSIBILITIES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. VERY GOOD JOB.>>I’M ALMOST DONE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ALMOST DONE? ALL RIGHT.>>I WROTE THIS IN CHINESE — [INDISCERNIBLE] I WANT YOU TO KNOW PEOPLE WILL VOTE AND SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO HAS GREAT VIRTUE, TREAT PEOPLE EQUALLY AND CARRY OUT DUTIES CONSCIENTIOUSLY. COULD SOMEBODY GIVE THIS TO MISS GALLEGO?>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES, I WILL HAVE THE CITY CLERK COME AND GET IT. VERY NICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>ONE MORE THING.>>Int. Mayor Williams: IS IT QUICK?>>YES.>>Int. Mayor Williams: ALL RIGHT.>>HOW DID YOU EVER — HAVE YOU TAUGHT YOUR CHILDREN WHAT IS TRUTH, BEAUTY AND GOODNESS? HAVE YOU TAUGHT THEM TO FIGHT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS? [INDISCERNIBLE] NOW, JUST SAYING THOSE ARE WORDS. IT’S TIME TO SHOW YOUR ACTIONS TO YOUNG GENERATIONS AND ALL RESIDENTS OF PHOENIX. PRESERVE HISTORY AND CULTURE. BRING HARMONY BACK TO PHOENIX. LET’S GO FORWARD TOGETHER TO CHAMPION FREEDOMS FOR OUR TIME, FOR ALL PEOPLE. THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER WISHING YOU LUCK FOREVER. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. PLEASE HOLD THE APPLAUSE, ALTHOUGH SHE DESERVES IT. I HAVE ONE CARD THAT DOESN’T WANT TO SPEAK, JAMES DEIBLER.>>I WANT TO SPEAK.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY. COME ON.>>HELLO. I AM JAMES DEIBLER. I LIVE IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 5. TRUE NORTH PROPERTIES IS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CHINESE-AMERICAN CITIZENS. THEY FORCED CHINESE-AMERICANS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS BY SHUTTING DOWN PHONE LINES AND INTERNET ACCESS. THEY FORCED PEOPLE TO MOVE OUT OF THE BUILDING. IT’S TIME FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX TO STAND UP AGAINST TRUE NORTH PROPERTIES TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CHINESE-AMERICAN PEOPLE. [INDISCERNIBLE] THE CITY OF PHOENIX WOULD PURCHASE THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER FROM TRUE NORTH PROPERTIES TO PRESERVE THE BUILDINGS AND THE GARDEN. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JAMES. COUNCIL?>>Councilman DiCiccio: I’LL SAY SOMETHING. JUST AS A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, I AM JUST GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY A HISTORICAL REFERENCE HERE. IT’S BEEN A LONG DAY. SO IF I DON’T SAY IT CORRECTLY IT’S BECAUSE I’M TIRED. I’M AMAZED MY KIDS ARE ABLE TO SIT THROUGH THE MEETING, TOO. HOW OLD ARE YOU?>>[INAUDIBLE]>>Councilman DiCiccio: YOU’RE AMAZING. YOUR MOM HAS TO BE VERY PROUD OF YOU. YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY PROUD. THAT’S JUST AMAZING WHAT YOU DID. SO LET’S JUST GO BACK IN TIME JUST A LITTLE BIT. I WAS THE ONE — BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO, THIS IS BACK IN THE ’90s, NO ONE UNDERSTOOD IT, NO ONE UNDERSTOOD HOW TO PUT A PROJECT LIKE THAT TOGETHER AND GET THE CITY OF PHOENIX INVOLVED, PLUS THERE WAS POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE FIRST DID THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER. SO I WAS THE ONE AT THE POINT OF BRINGING THEM IN, NEGOTIATING PUTTING THEM IN PLACE AND PUTTING THEM IN THE LOCATION THAT THEY ARE THERE. SO I HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY WITH IT, AND I’M ENAMORED WITH THE CENTER. I LOVE IT. I THINK IT’S FANTASTIC. I THINK IT’S BEAUTIFUL. HAD WE NOT DONE THAT — AT THE TIME THE — THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE TIME DIDN’T WANT TO GET THAT INVOLVED IN IT BECAUSE IT DEALT WITH THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT, AND WE WERE — BASICALLY AT A TYPE OF COLD WAR WITH THEM AT THE TIME. NOBODY REALLY WANTED TO TOUCH IT. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT CULTURAL CENTER. THERE WAS EVEN SOME DIVISION AT THE TIME BETWEEN THE TAIWANESE, CHINESE AND THE CHINESE MAINLAND CHINESE. AND EVEN THEN IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL. THERE WAS, WHY ARE YOU GETTING INVOLVED, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? SO I HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY WITH THE CENTER. A LOT OF HISTORY — I THINK IT’S BEAUTIFUL. LET’S FAST FORWARD NOW, AND THIS IS IN DEFENSE OF COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO, THE ONLY THING SHE COULD DO WAS WHAT SHE DID TODAY. LEGALLY, CONSTITUTIONALLY, THAT WAS IT. TO HAVE THE CITY OF PHOENIX GET INVOLVED IN ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED I THINK WOULD BE WRONG FOR THE CITY. WE DON’T HAVE THE ABILITY AS A COUNCILMEMBER OR AS A COUNCIL TO SUBPOENA INDIVIDUALS, MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. THAT’S WHAT THE COURT SYSTEMS ARE FOR. YOU HAVE TWO THINGS HERE. ONE IS THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER THAT ITSELF. WHEN THIS ENTIRE SITUATION CAME ABOUT I THINK YOU REMEMBER WHAT MY STATEMENTS WERE. IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PRESERVE IT, FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK, I ENGAGED. I KNOW IT WAS COUNCILWOMAN GALLEGO’S DISTRICT BUT BECAUSE OF THE AFFINITY I HAD WITH THE CENTER I WANTED TO TAKE IT TO A PERSONAL LEVEL AND ENGAGE ON IT MYSELF. I MET WITH TRUE NORTH. I WORKED OUT SOME, I BELIEVE, PHENOMENAL AGREEMENT TO SAVE PARTS OF IT. THEY WEREN’T GOING TO SAVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING. THEY JUST WEREN’T GOING TO DO THAT. THEY CAME IN AND BOUGHT IT FROM THE CHINESE COMPANY. THEY BOUGHT IT FROM COFCO AT THE TIME. THEY PURCHASED IT FROM THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT WITH. EYE SEW SO I CAME IN THERE TRYING TO SAVE THE GARDEN, WHICH I THINK IS BEAUTIFUL. THEY HAD AGREED WITH THAT. THEY SAID WE WILL SAVE CERTAIN PARTS OF IT BUT WE ARE STILL GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGES AS A PRIVATE OWNER, GO IN AND MAKE THE CHANGES INSIDE, AND THEY WERE GOING — AND THE TILE I KNOW IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THAT WAS SHIPPED OVER FROM CHINA. I WAS PART OF THAT, HELPING IT GET ACROSS. WE WORKED WITH THE U.S. SENATE OFFICES AT THE TIME IN ORDER TO GET THAT TILE ACROSS. I WAS AMAZED BY IT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. STILL THAT’S AN ISSUE STILL IN THE COURTS RIGHT NOW. SO YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE ACTUAL SAVING OF THE CULTURAL CENTER ITSELF. I THOUGHT I HAD AN AGREEMENT. MET WITH PAUL GILBERT AT THE AT THE PRESENT TIME REPRESENTING THE CHINESE COMMUNITY. I SAID I THOUGHT THIS WAS A STARTING POINT, AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN GET OUT OF TRUE NORTH IF WE COULD SIT DOWN. THE CHINESE COMMUNITY SAID NO, WE AREN’T WILLING TO SIT DOWN. WE WANT ALL OR NOTHING. THE SECOND PART DEALS WITH MR. SIMON AND HIS COMPLAINT AS A RESTAURANT OWNER AND A PROPERTY OWNER. AGAIN, AGAIN, INVOLVING US. WE COULD NOT GET LEGALLY INVOLVED IN A DISPUTE — THIS IS A CIVIL MATTER BETWEEN THE RESTAURANT OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. YOU HAVE TWO ISSUES THAT ARE KIND OF COMINGLED TOGETHER AND I’M TRY CRINGE TO SEPARATE THEM. BECAUSE I STILL BELIEVE — I DON’T KNOW — WE CANNOT GET INVOLVED, MR. SIMON, IN THAT PART OF THE DISPUTE. IT JUST ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. IT’S NOT LEGAL. IT’S NOT — IT WOULDN’T EACH BE PROPER FOR US TO GET INVOLVED IN A CIVIL DISPUTE OTHERWISE WE’RE GOING TO BE HEARING MULTIPLE CIVIL DISPUTES FOREVER AT THE CITY. BUT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE CHINESE CULTURAL CENTER I WAS ASKED A QUESTION EVEN LAST — AS OF LAST WEEK BY ONE OF THE EDITORIAL WRITERS OF “ARIZONA REPUBLIC,” THEY SAID, SAL, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENGAGE AT SOME POINT AND WHERE WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO? I SAID, HEY, I’M ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD, AND IF IT REQUIRES US TO WORK WITH THEM AGAIN OR IT REQUIRES US TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNITY, I SAID, I AM ALL IN TO DO THAT. THERE ARE CERTAIN BOND MONIES THAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED WITH THAT AS LONG AS WE DO SOME SORT OF MATCH. WE WALKED THROUGH A LOT OF SCENARIOS. I WAS ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION. HE SAID, DO YOU THINK IT’S — I SAID, NOT RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE STILL AT WAR. THEY ARE WORKING IT THROUGH THE LEGAL SYSTEM MY COMMITMENT I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU AS MEMBERS OF THE CHINESE COMMUNITY. I WILL DO THAT. I DID IT BACK IN THE ’90s. I WILL DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE I BELIEVE STRONGLY WE NEED THAT TYPE OF DIVERSITY IN OUR CITY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU CANNOT ASK US TO GET INVOLVED IN A LEGAL MATTER BETWEEN TWO PARTIES WHEN WE DON’T EVEN HAVE AN ABILITY AGAIN TO SUBPOENA INDIVIDUALS, TO BRING THEM INTO COURT, TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. WE DON’T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT THE FORUM FOR THAT. IT’S DONE THAT WAY CONSTITUTIONALLY. WE HAVE A SEPARATION OF POWERS. WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE, LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL POWER. THIS IS WHERE IT’S AT RIGHT NOW. UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED THROUGH THE COURTS THERE IS NULL NOTHING THE CITY OF PHOENIX CAN DO. THERE’S JUST NOT. IF YOU ARE ASKING US TO STOP THEM, TO DO THINGS, YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE AWARE THEIR RIGHTS AS INDIVIDUALS AND WE’RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT AS A BODY EVEN THOUGH WE BELIEVE STRONGLY WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO SAVE THIS. REMEMBER I ENGAGED EARLY ON ON THIS AND TRIED TO FIND A SOLUTION AND WAS TOLD NO. AND THAT’S JUST — YOU GOT TO SIT DOWN. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE OTHER SIDE IS WILLING TO GIVE YOU UNTIL YOU’RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND FIGURE IT OUT. SO WE COULD NOT EVEN GET INTO THE ROOM TO START A NEGOTIATION TO DO THAT. THIS IS WHY WE’RE HERE TODAY. SO I AM DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVED THEN AND I DO BELIEVE NOW THAT WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK. I BELIEVE THAT. OTHERWISE I WOULDN’T BE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. I WASN’T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING TODAY. I JUST WASN’T, BUT I’M GOING TO BECAUSE I JUST HAVE TO AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE I’VE HEARD THIS CASE REPEATEDLY AS A COUNCILMEMBER AND I JUST DON’T — WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO — IT’S JUST NOT LEGAL OR — IT’S JUST NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. AND UNTIL IT’S RESOLVED IN THE COURTS, UNLESS YOU’RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER SIDE. I STILL THINK I CAN GET THEM TO THE TABLE BUT I THINK EVERYBODY HATES EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW AND SOMETIMES THINGS HAVE TO TAKE ITS WAY, ITS COURSE AND ITS TIME IN ORDER TO BE WORKED OUT. THAT’S WHY I THINK THE MOTION ON THE TABLE — TO HER DEFENSE, I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO GET BEAT YOU UP TODAY, EVEN THOUGH WE DON’T AGREE POLITICALLY ON A LOT OF THINGS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO HER DEFENSE SHE IS ONLY DOING WHAT SHE CAN DO. SHE IS TRYING TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNITY TO COME TO THE TAKE AND WORK WITH US.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS. ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Councilwoman Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: LET ME EXPLAIN MY VOTE. I AM I GOING TO BE VOTING YES ON THIS. [INAUDIBLE] — I’M GOING TO BE VOTING YES BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMEMBER GALLEGO’S FOUND THAT WIN-WIN SITUATION THAT WE AS A CITY OF PHOENIX CAN DO. LEGALLY WE’RE NOT ABLE TO STEP INTO THIS, AS SAL EXPLAINED IT TO YOU ALL BUT WE WILL CONTINUE — I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US UP HERE WANT TO FIND THAT WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHEN YOU ALL HAVE A CULTURAL CENTER IT BENEFITS ALL OF US, AND IT’S SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO GO TO. SO I’M GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THAT FOR THAT REASON.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: VALENZUELA.>>Councilman Valenzuela: [INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: [INAUDIBLE]>>Int. Mayor Williams: COULD YOU REPEAT THAT?>>Clerk: WAS THAT A YES?>>Int. Mayor Williams: WE COULDN’T DISTINGUISH YOUR ANSWER. DID YOU VOTE “YES” OR “NO”?>>Councilman Waring: NO — ARE ASKING ME? I VOTED NO.>>Int. Mayor Williams: OKAY.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Int. Mayor Williams: YES. IT PASSES 7-1. THAT’S THE END OF THE FORMAL AGENDA. WE ARE BACK TO SILT ZEN COMMENTS AND WE HAVE FOUR CARDS. LEONARD CLARK.>>HELLO. MY YOU NAME IS LEONARD CLARK. I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN DEFENSE OF POLICE CHIEF JERI WILLIAMS. OUR POLICE CHIEF IS DOING THE RIGHT THING. WE DO HAVE MANY GOOD OFFICERS BUT THE MILITARIZATION THAT’S OCCURRED OF OUR OFFICERS JUST AS OCCURRING ACROSS THE COUNTRY DUE TO THAT INDIVIDUAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO IS ENCOURAGING LAW BREAKING HIMSELF –>>Int. Mayor Williams: PLEASE BE QUIET.>>I WOULD ASK MY TRUMP FRIENDS TO PLEASE — I WOULD BE SILENT WHILE YOU SPEAK. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE AWAY MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WOULD ASK THAT CHIEF JERI WILLIAMS THAT IF THEY TRY, THE PHOENIX LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATION, AND THERE ARE MANY GOOD OFFICERS WHO PUT THEIR LINES ON — TOLERATE BEING BEAT DOWN ANYMORE AND THE INJUSTICES DONE TO THEM. SO I AM ASKING THAT THE POLICE CHIEF JERI WILLIAMS LET HER INVESTIGATIONS GO THROUGH. I BELIEVE THAT OFFICERS SHOULD BE GIVEN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. BUT I DO NOT WANT THIS POLICE CHIEF TO BE FIRED SUCH AS THE OTHER POLICE CHIEFS. THIS SHOWS THAT THE POWER OF THE PHOENIX LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATION TO CLAMP PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND OTHERS IS TOO GREAT. WE ARE THE LAST MAJOR CITY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE OF THE LAST MAJOR CITIES, TO NOT HAVE A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT PHOENIX LAW ENFORCEMENT OVERSIGHT BOARD. NOW, IT HAS BEEN MADE THE ARGUMENT THERE IS A BOARD WHICH OVERSEES THAT. BUT IT HAS NO ENFORCEMENT POWERS. SO I ASK YOU TO PLEASE DO THIS NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE BUT FOR THE GOOD OFFICERS WHO ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, WHO IF THEY SEE SOMEBODY BEING BEAT DOWN LIKE IN MESA, WILL NOT BE AFRAID OF THE BROTHERHOOD AND TAKING THEM ADD AND PUTTING THEM ON A LIST. AND I I’VE HEARD THERE IS AN ENEMY’S LIST — TO SPEAK UP AND ASK FOR JUSTICE. I AM NOT ON THE LEFT. I AM NOT ON THE RIGHT. SO I WILL BE ATTACKED BY BOTH. I AM IN THE MOST DIFFICULT POSITION AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT JUST ASKS THAT THEY SERVE THE PEOPLE WITHOUT BRUTALITY, WITHOUT UNNECESSARY KILLING. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU. ART [INDISCERNIBLE] MANNY?>>MY NAME IS ART MANNY, DISTRICT 6, LONG TIME RESIDENT IN AHWATUKEE MOUNTAIN PARK RANCH. I MIGHT POINTING OUT SITTING HERE FOR OVER FIVE HOURS TO SPEAK AND MY COUNCILMAN HAS LEFT. I AM NOT VERY HAPPY. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT ENHANCED SCHOOL SAFETY. BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, AND SINCE I WAITED SO LONG, LET ME MAKE A COUPLE PREAMBLES IF I COULD. ONE IS, THANK GOD FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRST RESPONDERS. I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD DO WITHOUT THEM. NUMBER TWO, WE DO NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN PHOENIX. I CAN TELL YOU THAT MOUNTAIN PARK RANCH IN THE AHWATUKEE AREA HAS THREE PATROL OFFICERS FOR THE WHOLE AREA. WE WAIT HOURS FOR ANY KIND OF SERVICE. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO GET MORE OFFICERS. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE 125 AVAILABLE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE TROUBLE FILLING THEM. LET ME POINT OUT THAT YOU, MAYOR, AND THE COUNCIL PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CADETS ARE — OUR RECRUITS, THE PEOPLE IN TRAINING, THE CANDIDATES FOR THOSE POSITIONS KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THEIR BACKS AND THAT, UNLIKE THE PRIOR MAYOR, YOU’RE GOING TO SUPPORT THEM. ON THE SITUATION WITH SCHOOL SAFETY, I MADE A PROPOSAL LAST WEEK TO THE DISTRICT 6 GROUP, SAM AND HIS PEOPLE, SAL’S PEOPLE, AND I TOLD THEM I HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WILL ENHANCE SCHOOL SAFETY WITH VERY LITTLE IF ANY IMPACT ON THE BUDGET. IT INVOLVES A PROCESS USING CURRENT ASSETS AND USING VOLUNTEER RESOURCES. SO THE IMPACT WOULD BE VERY, VERY MINIMAL. FIRST TWO THINGS THEY TOLD ME IS, ART, IT’S GOING TO TAKE NINE TO 12 MONTHS, NINE TO 12 MONTHS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO GET ANY OF THIS STUFF REVIEWED. AND I SAID, WHY DOES IT TAKE THAT LONG? WE PROTECT OUR GOVERNMENT. WE PROTECT OUR MILLIONAIRES. OUR BILLIONAIRES. WE PROTECT OUR MONEY IN THE BANKS. BUT WE CAN’T PROTECT OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS. SO LISTEN TO MY APPEAL, PLEASE. CAN YOU ACCELERATE THE PROCESS. IT’S A MINIMUM TO ZERO IMPACT ON THE BUDGET. WE CAN USE CURRENT ASSETS. WE CAN USE VOLUNTEERS FOR THE RESOURCES. WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK. SO I WOULD ASK FOR A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING WHERE I CAN BRIEF THEM ON MY PROPOSAL. IT’S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE WHAT-IFs, ALL THE DEVIL ADVOCACY STUFF AND I CAN COME UP WITH THE ANSWERS AND I CAN HELP YOU MAKE SCHOOLS SAFER. WHAT IS MORE PRECIOUS THAN OUR ELEMENTARY STUDENTS? I HAVE THREE GRANDCHILDREN GOING TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, AND I THINK EVERY DAY ABOUT THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE THEM SAFER. SO, PLEASE, WOULD YOU LISTEN TO MY APPEAL. SET UP A MEETING. IF YOU ARE TOO BUSY TO LISTEN TO ME, HAVE EACH OF YOUR STAFFERS MEET WITH ME. I WILL MEET WHEREVER THEY WANT, WHENEVER THEY WANT, AND I WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPOSAL. VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT’S A DETERRENT. IT WILL ADDRESS STUFF LIKE KEEPING CRIMINALS OUT OF SCHOOLS. IT WILL ADDRESS THE PROBLEM –>>Int. Mayor Williams: I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP.>>IT WILL ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH SPEEDING IN SCHOOL ZONES, AND GOD FORBID, IT SHOULD DETER TO SOME DEGREE ACTIVE SHOOTERS. AND I’LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, LET ME MAKE THE PROPOSAL. I’LL BE THERE WHEN YOU WANT ME TO BE THERE.>>Int. Mayor Williams: I’M ASKING YOU TO GET WITH BRIAN JEFFRIES, RAISE YOUR MANNED. HE IS ON MY STAFF. GET THE PROPOSAL TO HIM. MEET WITH HIM. EXPLAIN IT. AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF IT CAN GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR TO PUBLIC SAFETY ON COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW. IT PROBABLY COULDN’T HAPPEN BEFORE SEPTEMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE A SUMMER BREAK, THE COUNCIL DOES, WE’RE NOT HERE DURING JULY AND MOST OF AUGUST, BUT THAT’S FASTER THAN WHAT WAS PROMISED TO YOU.>>YEAH, WOULDN’T IT BE A SHAME IF AGAIN ANOTHER SCHOOL YEAR GOES BY AND WE DON’T DO SOMETHING THAT’S COST-EFFECTIVE TO ENHANCE SAFETY IN SCHOOLS?>>Int. Mayor Williams: GET WITH BRIAN.>>I HAVE BROUGHT THE PROPOSALS. THANK YOU.>>Int. Mayor Williams: EXPLAIN IT TO HIM. I WON’T PROMISE YOU WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE CAN EXPEDITE IT.>>THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: AND THE WAY I UNDERSTAND SCHOOL SAFETY SINCE I SIT ON THE SCHOOL BOARD IS SCHOOL SAFETY IS AN INDIVIDUAL PIECE BY DISTRICTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, SROS ARE FUNDED BY GRANTS, THEY’RE NOT FUNDED BY GENERAL FUND MONEY. AM I CORRECT?>>RIGHT.>>WELL, MAYBE I COULD RESPOND — I WAS –>>Councilwoman Pastor: I WAS JUST ASKING.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN AND THANK YOU FOR SITTING THROUGH ALL OF THIS. JAMES DEIBLER?>>HELLO. I AM JAMES DEIBLER. I LIVE IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 5. CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR INTERIM MAYOR POSITION. TWO WEEKS AGO I HEARD THAT ON THE NEWS THAT IKEA DECIDED TO NOT BUILD A NEW STORE IN GLENDALE, ARIZONA. IKEA IS MAKING A WRONG DECISION FOR NOT BUILDING A SECOND STORE IN PHOENIX METROPOLITAN AREA, INSTEAD FOCUSING ON ONLINE SALES AND BUILDING NEW STORES IN URBAN CITY CENTERS. IT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE AN IKEA AT METROCENTER. IKEA WILL HELP TO REVIVE THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH NEW OPPORTUNITIES AND NEW JOBS IN THE AREA. THE LIGHT RAIL IS COMING TO METROCENTER WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT INTO THE AREA. THE CITY OF PHOENIX POLITICAL OFFICIALS NEED TO WORK WITH A DEVELOPER TO BRING AN IKEA SUPERSTORE AT METROCENTER. SEARS IN NET ROW CENTER WILL CLOSE IN 2018 DUE TO DECLINING SALES. I HOPE OFFICIALS AT IKEA WILL CHANGE THEIR MIND ABOUT BUILDING A NEW STORE IN PHOENIX METROPOLITAN AREA WITH A LOCATION CLOSER TUTOR BUN CITY CENTERS. THE CITY OF PHOENIX AND GLENDALE RESIDENT DON’T WANT TO DRIVE TO TEMPE TO GET THEIR FURNITURE AND HOME DECOR NEEDS. THE NEW IKEA LOCATION SHOULD BE CENTRALLY LOCATED WITHOUT TRAVELING TO GLENDALE. FINALLY, I SAY THANK YOU TO PHOENIX COUNCILMAN SAL DiCICCIO FOR FIXING UP THE SIDEWALKS AT 7th STREET AND MISSOURI NEAR WALGREENS. I GOT INJURED WHILE I WAS WALKING NORTH TO THE BUS STOP ON GLENDALE AVENUE. IT WILL TAKE TIME FOR MY RIGHT ELBOW TO HEAL FROM MY INJURIES. I FIND MORE BROKEN SIDEWALKS BETWEEN 35th AVENUE AND TUCK LANE IN PHOENIX COUNCIL DISTRICT 5. I HOPE THE CITY OF PHOENIX WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM SOON BEFORE SOMEONE GETS INJURED. THANKS FOR THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION.>>Int. Mayor Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JAMES. JACK FREEMAN? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE FOR WAITING ALL THIS TIME.>>GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACK FREEMAN AND I’LL SAY, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND THE REST OF THE STAFFER THAT’S HERE, INCLUDING THE POLICE OFFICERS, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU PUT IN. I HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR YOU. MY NAME IS JACK FREEMAN, A MINISTER OF THE CHURCH DELIGHT OF THE WORLD AND DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC RELATIONS. YOU MIGHT KNOW US BETTER AS IGLESIA [INDISCERNIBLE] THE LARGE SILVERDOME OFF THE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY OFF 7th STREET. WE’RE HAVING AN EVENT THIS SUNDAY AT THE CONVENTION CENTER. WE HAVE 13 LOCATIONS HERE IN ARIZONA WHERE ALL OF THE MEMBERS ARE COMING TOGETHER. OUR INTERNATIONAL DIRECTOR IS GOING TO BE THERE TO HAVE A SOCIAL/SPIRITUAL SERVICE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR MOTTO IS, A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAKES A GOOD CITIZEN, AND WE HAVE SENT INVITATIONS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND I KNOW THAT TODAY THE PROCLAMATION WAS FINISHED AND I’M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL. I AM SO HAPPY. BUT I WANTED TO TAKE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE INVITATION. I KNOW YOUR TIME IS BUSY, IT’S HARD TO FIND EVEN A MINUTE TO SEE YOUR FAMILIES AND TONIGHT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT IF YOUR PLANS — SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID YOU ARE COMING AND I AM GRATEFUL BUT FOR THE REST, IF YOUR PLANS CHANGE AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND IT TO ALL OF YOUR STAFF AND MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE, ESPECIALLY THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE FIREMEN AND THE SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT WHICH IS A VITAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT TAKES CARE MUCH US. SO WE WANT TO — AND THE REASONING BEHIND THIS, AND I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE TRY TO DO IT AS A PUBLICITY STUNT TO GET A POLITICIAN OR SOMEBODY THERE THAT IS RECOGNIZABLE FOR THE MEDIA, WHICH WILL BE THERE BUT OUR INTENTIONS ARE TO CREATE RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE GOING TO GROW. WE PREACH TO THE MEMBERS TO BE VERY ACTIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES, TO GET INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS, TO FIND AREAS WHERE OUR BELIEFS AND YOUR PASSIONS PARALLEL SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN COMMON. WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN FAITH AND BELIEFS BUT THERE HAS TO BE COMMON GROUND SOMEWHERE AND SO THAT’S WHY WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME AND MEET US AND SEE WHO WE ARE. THERE’S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHO IS IN THE SILVERDOME, AND THIS IS GOING TO GET YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHO WE ARE. SO IT IS THIS SUNDAY AT 10:00 IN THE NORTH HALL, IN HALL E WE ARE EXPECTING ABOUT 3500 PEOPLE. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>Int. Mayor Williams: LAW VERY MUCH. WE’RE ADJOURNED.

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