Michael Cremo: “Forbidden Archaeology” | Talks at Google


MALE SPEAKER: Thanks to all
of you for coming to this talk by Michael Cremo on forbidden
archaeology here at Google. So when was the last time
somebody questioned evolution? Do you know? In your experience, any numbers? I’m just trying to say how
often it happens, somebody questioning such a major
theory as evolution. Any guess? I mean, before the talk. Sorry? AUDIENCE: It happens
all the time in the US. MALE SPEAKER: OK. That’s good. That’s good that people
are aware of that debate. Some people don’t even
know that it’s a theory and know it’s being
debated, and they just take it for a fact
as much as gravity. That’s good to know that
you are aware of that. So we have Michael Cremo here. So he has a lot of
extensive introduction about how we got
into this topic. So I don’t want to steal that
as part of my introduction. And so I’ll just go over
the introduction of him as a person. I’ve known him for
more than 10, 15 years. And he’s a very thoughtful,
methodical person with extreme
intellectual honesty. And he expects that of others. So that’s where his research
was born into this book. So the scope of
this talk is just questioning the current
theory and based on the evidences available. But he’s not going to present an
alternate theory in this talk. We have to wait
for a year for that to happen if he have
a job until then. So now, the scope of
this talk is questioning the current theory based
on the available evidences from researched literature. And the next topic
he usually presents is called human devolution,
presenting an alternate theory. So there are books
for that outside. So that’s your only
resource right now. So with that, let’s
welcome Michael Cremo to Google with a big hand. [APPLAUSE] MICHAEL CREMO: Thank you
for the nice introduction. And thank you,
ladies and gentlemen, for coming to hear a little
something about the topic forbidden archeology, evidence
for extreme human antiquity. So just to keep
things honest, I’m a researcher in human
origins for the International Society for Krishna
Consciousness. And my research is
inspired by my studies in the ancient Sanskrit
writings in India, especially the Puranas,
the historical writings. Now, for many today,
those two things would be complete
disqualifications for me to say anything about
a scientific topic in scientific circles. However, quite
surprisingly to me even, there are people within
the scientific world who are interested in hearing
what I have to say. And I’ve been invited to present
my ideas at some of the leading scientific institutions
of the world, such as the Royal
Institution in London, the Russian Academy
of Science in Moscow Department of Anthropology,
the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, and many
others around the world. So the question
I’m dealing with is how old is the human species. Today, the most common
answer to that question comes from the modern followers
of Charles Darwin, who propose that the
first humans like us came into existence less
than 200,000 years ago. Before that, they
would say there were no humans like us
present on this planet, simply more primitive,
ape-like human ancestors. However, the Puranas,
the historical writings of ancient India,
give a different idea, namely that humans
have been present for vast periods of time
on this planet going back many millions of years. Now of course, in
scientific circles, I wouldn’t expect anyone
to take a statement from some ancient
writings as evidence. So in the scientific circles
where I’m invited to speak, I do something else. I make a prediction, namely
if what the Puranas say about human antiquity
is true, there should be reports of
archaeological evidence for humans existing much further
back in time than 200,000 years ago, perhaps going
back many millions of years. So my method for
testing that prediction is to examine all archaeological
reports from the time of Darwin to the present. And not just in English. I have a reading
knowledge of most of the major European languages. So when I speak about
examining reports from the scientific
literature, I mean two kinds of scientific
literature, the primary and the secondary
scientific literature. By primary scientific
literature, I mean original reports by
archaeologists, geologists, paleontologists, and
other Earth scientists reported in the professional,
peer reviewed, scientific literature. By secondary literature,
I mean things that are based on the primary
literature, such as textbooks, for example. So I had two principal findings. The first finding is
not so surprising. There are no reports of evidence
for extreme human antiquity in the current secondary
literature, textbooks, survey studies, and
things of that sort. My second finding was a
little more interesting. There are many
reports of evidence for extreme human antiquity
in the primary scientific literature of past and present. So I collected those
reports and this book, “Forbidden Archeology,”
which was reviewed in most of the
professional, academic, and scientific
journals that deal with the question
of human origins. So this constitutes a
kind of peer review. Now, as you might expect, many
of those reviews were negative, some extremely so. However, quite
surprisingly to me even, even some of my critics
were able to point out some positive
aspects of the work. For example, David Oldroyd,
a noted historian of science, in a 28 page review
article about the book asked the question, so
has forbidden archeology made any contribution
to the literature on paleoanthropology. Our answer is a guarded
yes for two reasons. First, he said, much of
the historical material has not been scrutinized
in such detail before. In other words, as a
professional historian of science dealing with
these particular questions, he had not encountered
any work which had gone into history
in such depth before. And second, he said,
the book raises, quote, a central problematic
regarding the lack of certainty in
scientific truth claims. Now, after the
book was published and many of the
reviews came out, I began speaking about
the topic of the book at scientific conferences. The first time I
did that was in 1984 at a meeting of the World
Archaeological Congress. It’s the world’s largest
international organization of archaeologists. I presented a paper there
called “Puranic Time and The Archaeological Record.” And that paper was
selected for publication in a peer reviewed conference
proceedings volume called “Time and Archaeology,”
which came out from Rutledge, a major scientific publisher. And subsequently, I’ve
presented papers on my work at many other meetings of the
World Archaeological Congress, and also meetings of
the European Association of Archaeologists. And the reason I’m
mentioning this is just to show that the
kinds of things I’m saying are part of the
scientific discourse in the scientific
disciplines that are related to human origins. Now, admittedly, it’s
not a popular voice. It’s an extreme minority
voice limited maybe even to a minority of one. But still, surprisingly
enough to many people, it is a part of the discourse. So one of the questions I had
about the kind of evidence I’m talking about is
why exactly is it missing from the current
secondary literature if it’s there in the
primary literature. And I’m proposing it’s because
of a process of knowledge filtration that operates
in the world of science. And here, I’m not talking
about a Satanic conspiracy to suppress truth. I’m talking about
something that philosophers of science and
historians of science have understood for
a long time, namely that theoretical preconceptions
can influence how scientists may react to different
categories of evidence that come to their attention. We can call the blue box
the knowledge filter. And what it represents
is the dominant consensus in the scientific discipline
at a particular point in time. And reports of
evidence that conform to the dominant consensus will
pass through the knowledge filter fairly easily,
whereas reports of evidence that
radically contradict a dominant consensus
tend to be filtered out, ignored, forgotten,
set aside, dismissed. And this was something that one
of the reviewers of “Forbidden Archeology” noted, the
French archaeologist Marylene Patou-Mathis noted in her
review of “Forbidden Archeology” in “L’Anthropologie.” “Cremo and Thompson have
written a provocative work that raises the problem of the
influence of the dominant ideas of a time period on
scientific research. These ideas can
compel the researchers to orient their
analyses according to the conceptions
that are permitted by the scientific community.” So it was interesting to
me that an archaeologist grasped correctly
what the point we were trying to make in the book
and wasn’t just dismissing it as, oh, these are
conspiracy theorists. I’m now going to go over
some of the kinds of reports that I’m talking about. This is Virginia Steen-McIntyre,
an American geologist. She was involved in dating
an archaeological site at Hueyatlaco in Mexico. There, archaeologists had
discovered projectile points and other stone
tools and weapons. And they were, of
course, interested in how all these things were. This is the excavation
at Hueyatlaco. And the artifacts were
photographed intact in the layers of rock in
which they were found. Virginia Steen-McIntyre
and her colleagues used four different
methods to date the site. Animal bones with
butchering marks were found in the same
layers with the stone tools. The geologists used the
uranium series method to date those bones. They got an age
of 245,000 years. Above the layer
with the stone tools was a layer of volcanic ash. The geologists used the Zircon
Fission Track method to date that layer of ash. They got an age
of 270,000 years. Using all four methods
that they employed, the geologists
concluded the site must be at least
250,000 years old. However, the archaeologists
refused to accept it. They said humans capable of
making those artifacts didn’t exist anywhere in the
world 250,000 years ago. They hadn’t evolved
yet, what to speak of being present
in North America. They considered the oldest
human presence in North America to go back only
about 20,000 years. So they refused to publish
the age for the site given by their own hand-picked
team of geologists. So Virginia Steen-McIntyre
and her colleagues were a little surprised by that. So they decided to
independently publish the age for the site
in a journal called “Quaternary Research.” But when they did
that, they experienced an extreme negative backlash
from their colleagues in the scientific
world because they had dared to publish
something like this. Virginia Steen-McIntyre
wrote to one of the editors of the journal,
“Not being an anthropologist, I didn’t realize how deeply
woven into our thought the current theory of
human evolution has become. Our work at Hueyatlaco has been
rejected by most archaeologists because it contradicts
that theory.” So some of the cases I’m
going to be talking about are from the more recent
history of archaeology, some from the more distant
history of archaeology. Some of the cases
are going to be closer to what the
mainstream concepts allow. And some are going to be further
and further distant from what current ideas would
consider possible. This is one of the founders
of modern archaeology, Jacques Boucher de Perthes. And one of his excavations,
Moulin Quignon near Abbeville in Northeastern France, he found
an anatomically modern human jawbone. He found it in the bottom
layers of his excavation with stone tools and weapons. According to modern geologists,
that layer at Abbeville is about 430,000 years old. It was quite a
controversial discovery, even in the 19th century. Many scientists could
not accept that humans existed at that
distant point in time. So some of them proposed,
well, Boucher de Perthes must have been the
victim of a hoax. Somehow or other,
someone must have gone to some Roman cemetery,
gotten a jawbone 2,000 or 3,000 years old and buried it in the
excavation for him to find. And that’s actually
the explanation that we see in
today’s textbooks. However, what we do not
see in today’s textbooks is that after these hoax
accusations came out, Boucher de Perthes made
additional excavations at Moulin Quignon. And these additional
excavations, in the same location
he found over 100 additional anatomically
modern human bones and teeth in the same formation,
which to me indicates a human presence going
back over 400,000 years. And I reported on this case
in this paper, which was later published in a peer reviewed
conference proceedings volume. Recently, just last
year, archaeologists reported the discovery
of footprints at a place called Happisburgh
in the United Kingdom. They were found in
a formation that is at least 780,000
years old and is perhaps up to a million years old. The archaeologist who studied
the footprints published results suggesting
they are consistent with anatomically
modern human footprints. For example, they
studied the foot index, which is the width divided
by the length times 100. The average for all of the
Happisburgh footprints was 39. The average for living Native
American Indians is again, 39. The average for living Eskimos
today, the foot index is 38.26. And other features
of the footprints were consistent with those
of modern human beings. Now, of course they
did not believe that humans like us
existed at that time. They don’t think Homo sapiens
existed over 780,000 years ago. So they attributed
the footprints to a species called
Homo antecessor, an ape man that they believe
inhabited Europe at that time. But from the evidence itself,
they could just as well have been made by
humans like us. And there is evidence that
anatomically modern humans existed at that time. This is the Buenos
Aires Skull, which was discovered early in the
20th century in Argentina. Researchers were
conducting digging. And they had gone
down about 45 feet. And they encountered
a solid layer of limestone rock
locally known as Tosca. And after they broke
through that layer, they found a human skull cap
of an anatomically modern human type in the
[INAUDIBLE] formation, which geologists consider to
be 1 and 1/2 million years old. This discovery was reported
to the scientific world in the primary
scientific literature by the South American
scientist Florentino Ameghino. I reported on this
case and some others in this paper presented
at a meeting of the World Archaeological Congress in
Cape Town, South Africa. Many people have heard
of Olduvai Gorge. Many important discoveries
have been made there. Most people are not aware
of the first discovery that was made at Olduvai Gorge
by the German scientist Hans Reck, who reported
on it in 1913. He found a fairly complete,
anatomically modern human skeleton– that’s the
skull cap of it– buried in upper bed II
of Olduvai Gorge. Upper bed II of Olduvai
Gorge is between 1.15 and 1.7 million years ago. It was a very
controversial discovery. There were decades
of debate about it. Many people thought the
debates were finally settled in the 1970s when
a German scientist named Reiner Protsch did a radiocarbon
test on a fragment of bone that he said was
from Reck’s skeleton. And he got an age of
less than 10,000 years. However, I question
the reliability of that given that Reiner
Protsch was removed from his position at
Frankfurt University after an academic
committee there found him guilty of having forged
dozens of radiocarbon dates during his long career there. Another report from the
earlier history of archaeology, the jaw, fossil
human jar reported by Doctor Robert Coliyer. This anatomically
modern human jaw was found 16 feet deep in the
Red Crag Formation in England at a place called Foxhall. The Red Crag
Formation, according to modern geological studies,
is between two and three million years old. In 1979, Mary Leakey announced
the discovery of footprints at a place called Laetoli
in the country of Tanzania in East Africa. According to her
report, the footprints were indistinguishable from
modern human footprints. Other scientists also agreed. Paleontologist Tim White wrote,
“Make no mistake about it. They are like modern
human footprints.” Now, neither Mary
Leakey nor Tim White believe those footprints
were made by humans like us. They propose they were made
by some type of ape man who lived at that time who just
happened to have feet exactly like those of
modern human beings. Actually, we have the
skeletons of the ape men that existed at that
time in eastern Africa. They’re called Australopithecus. And the foot bones
of Australopithecus have been discovered. And their foot is
not exactly like that of a modern human being. They have very long toes, sort
of like short human fingers. In other words, their feet
were somewhat ape like. Actually, the only creature
known to science today from skeletal evidence that
has a foot exactly like that of a modern human
being is, in fact, modern human beings
like ourselves. So what did Mary Leakey find? I think we have to remain open
to the possibility she found evidence that humans
like us were present almost four million years ago. The footprints were
found in layers of solidified volcanic
ash that were dated using the potassium argon method
as being 3,700,000 years old. I presented evidence
on this case at a meeting of the European
Association of Archaeologists that was held in England. Now, some people might
say, OK, footprints are perhaps a little
bit ambiguous. It would be better if there
were human skeletal evidence almost four million years old. Such things have
been reported in the primary
scientific literature. For example, the
Italian geologist Ragazzoni reported
finding human skeletal remains at a place called
Castenedolo in northern Italy. They were found
in layers of rock that modern geologists
consider to be about four million years old. I went to the village
of Castenedolo. I met this gentleman there. And he gave me a copy of a very
rare geological report dealing with this discovery. And from the information
in the report, we were able to
locate the place where the discoveries were made. Now, the current explanation
of these discoveries is, well, it’s not
really possible that you could have anatomically
modern human skeletons in layers of rock four
million years old. So the proposal is that
maybe about 4,000 years ago, somebody died on the surface. His friends dug a grave
and put the skeleton down in that ancient layer of rock. And that’s why
you think you have a human skeleton four
million years old. Things like this can
happen, technically. It’s called intrusive burial. However, if you look at
Ragazzoni’s original reports in the Italian
language, which I did, he says– because
even at the time, he was a professional geologist. He was aware of the possibility
of intrusive burial. He said, if it had been
an intrusive burial, the layers of rock
above the skeleton would have been undisturbed. However, he found
that the layers of rock above the skeleton were
all intact and undisturbed. Actually, he said each layer has
its own micro-stratigraphy that was undisturbed. So I take this as evidence
for human presence going back over four million years. This is Carlos Ribeiro, who
was the chief government geologist of Portugal. He found hundreds
of human artifacts in his country of Portugal. He found them in layers
of rock that date back to the early Miocene
Period, which means they would be about 20
million years old according to today’s understanding. He, as a professional geologist,
he said they cannot have come into those layers from any
higher level through any fissure, or crack, or all
the usual kinds of counter explanations. He displayed the artifacts
in the Museum of Geology in Lisbon. But if you go there today,
you won’t see them on display anymore. They’re kept in the
cabinets behind me. But I was able to get
permission from the directors of the museum to
study and photograph some of these human artifacts
from the early Miocene period. I also carefully studied
Ribeiro’s original maps, and field notes,
and correspondence of the museum archives. And then I went into the
countryside of Portugal and I relocated
some of the sites where he made his discoveries. This is the quarry
at Murganheira. And he found human
artifacts there in lower Miocene formations. This is one of them. It’s a flint artifact. It’s interesting what happened. When Ribeiro was
alive, the artifacts were displayed in the museum
with labels showing a lower Miocene age for them,
about 20 million years. After he died, his
colleagues in the museum did something interesting. They left the
artifacts on display, but they wrote new
labels for all of them. This is the new label they
wrote for the artifact I just showed you. Second line gives the
age– Paleolitico Superior, Upper Paleolithic Period. According to geologists
today, that period in Europe goes back about 20,000 years. So it’s interesting. Ribeiro’s colleagues
thought 20 million years, that’s clearly impossible. 20,000 years, that
sounds about right for discoveries like this. So they just wrote new labels
for all of the artifacts. Now, the next generation
of officials in the museum just put the entire
collection away. And I’m the first researcher
to see these things in over 50 years. I presented a paper on
this case at a meeting of the European Association
of Archaeologists that was held in Lisbon,
Portugal in the year 2000. That paper was later
published in a peer reviewed scientific journal from
Europe, “The Journal of Iberian Archaeology.” A case that’s
always fascinated me has been the California
gold mine discoveries. Gold was discovered
in California. And miners went to places
like Table Mountain in Tuolumne County near Sonora. Actually not too far from here. And deep inside the
tunnels, the miners found human bones
and human artifacts. For example, they found
many of these stone mortars and pestles. What makes them so
interesting to me is they were found in
layers of solid rock that date to the early part
of the geological period called Eocene, which
means they would be about 50 million years old. Some of the details about the
dating of the discoveries. It was done in modern times
using the potassium argon method and analyzing
the plant and animal fossils found in
those layers of rock. These discoveries
were originally reported to the scientific
world by Doctor JD Whitney, who was the chief government
geologist of California. His report was published by
Harvard University in the year 1880. But we don’t hear very much
about these discoveries today because of the process
of knowledge filtration that I mentioned. This is the anthropologist
William Holmes, who worked with the
Smithsonian Institution. And he wrote in his report, “If
Doctor Whitney had understood the theory of
human evolution, he would not have published
those discoveries.” In other words, he would’ve
known that humans could not possibly have
existed at that time. A few years ago,
I was a consultant for a television documentary
called “The Mysterious Origins of Man”
that aired on NBC. And the producer
of this documentary had read my book,
“Forbidden Archeology” and wanted to include some
cases in the documentary. I told him he should go to
the Museum of Anthropology at the University of
California at Berkeley because artifacts from
the California gold mines were still in that collection. And the museum officials
refused to allow him to see the artifacts. Anyways, we were able
to get some photographs of the artifacts
that Doctor Whitney had taken in the 19th century. It was interesting what happened
when this documentary aired. Actually, many
scientists were outraged and they wanted the FCC to
investigate NBC, censor NBC, fine NBC millions of dollars for
having aired this documentary. And I’m happy to say the FCC
didn’t do any of those things. But it was interesting that
such attempts were made. Later, I went back
to the museum myself. And I personally was given
access to the discoveries, and they are still there. They also went out to
Table Mountain near Sonora. And we were able to relocate
some of the old 19th century gold mining tunnels where these
discoveries were originally made. I reported on this case at
this meeting of the World Archaeological Congress that was
held in Washington, DC in 2003. So how far back in time can
we go with evidence like this? In 1862, a scientific
journal called “The Geologist” published
an interesting report. An anatomically
modern human skeleton was found 90 feet
below the surface of the ground in Macoupin
County in the state of Illinois near St. Louis. According to the report,
above the skeleton was a thick layer of slate
rock that was unbroken. That’s an important detail,
because it kind of rules out the intrusive burial hypothesis. This report from
“Scientific American” tells of a beautiful,
metallic– whoops. I wanted one more detail. According to modern
geologists, the layer where the skeleton was found
is about 300 million years old. This report from
“Scientific American” tells of a beautiful
metallic vase that was found 15 feet deep in
solid rock in Dorchester, which is in the Boston area. According to modern
geological reports, the age of a formation at
that location and depth is about 600 million years
from the Cambrian Period. Now, I could actually keep
you here for days, and days, and days because
there are hundreds of reports like this in the
primary scientific literature. I’m not going to do that. But I’ll make some
concluding remarks. The significance
of this evidence would be that it
would contradict the now dominant ideas
about human origins. And this was actually
recognized by one of the architects of the
current paradigm, Doctor William Howells of Harvard, who
wrote to me after he read “Forbidden Archeology.” And he said a few
things about it. He said, “‘Forbidden
Archaeology’ represents much careful effort in critically
assembling published materials.” I thought it was nice
that he recognized that. And then he said, “Most
of us, mistakenly or not, see human evolution with
man emerging rather late.” And that’s the actual fact. Most scientists actually
do see things that way. And he went on to say, “To have
modern human beings appearing a great deal earlier would be
devastating to the whole theory of evolution.” So that’s what he saw as the
impact of this kind of evidence if it were to be
taken as genuine. Now, not everybody is willing
to do that, admittedly. Now, another
interesting statement about “Forbidden
Archaeology” was made by archaeologist Tim
Murray in his review published in “British Journal for
History of Science.” Now, Murray is
one of my critics. And still, even though
he’s not really prepared to accept my conclusion, he
has some interesting things to say that I think
are worth repeating. He said, “‘Forbidden
Archeology,'” quote, “provides the historian of
archaeology with a useful compendium of case studies
in the history and sociology of scientific knowledge, which
can be used to foster debate within archaeology about how
to describe the epistemology of one’s discipline.” And that’s actually
what I was trying to do in putting that book
together, to foster debate within archaeology about the
epistemology of the discipline. And to see this acknowledged
in the professional literature was kind of interesting. Now, he went on to say,
“‘Forbidden Archaeology’ is designed to demolish the case
for biological and cultural evolution and to advance the
cause of a Vedic alternative.” Now, I plead guilty
to that indictment. And it’s at this point that many
in the world of science today are really going to
have strong objections to the kinds of
things that I do. This mention of Vedic
alternative, in other words some alternative
that has its roots in some religious
or spiritual idea. According to many in
the world of science today, this is
completely verboten. That’s why I called the
book “Forbidden Archeology.” But it’s interesting what Tim
Murray had to say about that. He said, “The ‘dominant
paradigm’ has changed and is changing. And practitioners
openly debate issues which go right to the conceptual
core of the discipline. Whether the Vedas have
a role to play in this is up to the individual
scientist’s concern.” And I think that’s an
enlightened attitude that I can support. No ban, but it’s just
up to each individual to make up their
mind whether or not they’re going to try to do
something like I’m doing or agree with it. Gets you into a whole discussion
about religion and science. Now, I’m going to close
with some of my experiences in presenting this kind
of thing at university audiences around the world. I’ve spoken at hundreds of
universities around the world. My books are now in about
25 different languages. One of them is Russian. So I’ve lectured at a lot
of universities in Russia, from Vladivostok to
Saint Petersburg. And usually, the
lectures go fine. At this particular university,
the Tyumen State University, there was a little
bit of a problem. Some professors there
had invited me to speak. And a lecture was scheduled. But when other faculty
members found out that I was being
invited to speak, they approached
the administration of the university and
said, we can’t have this. We shouldn’t allow this person
to speak at our university. First of all, he’s
contradicting a dominant theory. And second, and
even more damningly, he’s doing it from some Vedic
spiritual kind of perspective. So the president of the
university cancelled the lecture. The professors who invited me
and wanted to hear me speak went to the president and tried
to get him to change his mind. But the pressure from the
other side was just too big, so the lecture was cancelled. So then, the professors
who invited me went to the local branch of the
Russian Academy of Sciences. And they spoke to
the director there. And he said, OK,
if they won’t let him speak at the university,
he can speak here at the Russian Academy
of Science building. So they had buses bring
students and professors from the university to the
Russian Academy of Science building. And the professors who invited
me said, more people came then would’ve come if the lecture
had been held at the university. And then the next year,
something interesting happened. I went back to the
same university, and I was able to speak
at the biology department there no problem. I guess they just thought,
better let him talk and let people just make
up their minds about what he’s saying. They’re intelligent. They’ll be able to figure out
if they can agree or not agree. It’s not going to be the end
of the world if he talks. These are some of my works–
“The Forbidden Archaeologist,” “Forbidden Archaeology,” “Hidden
History of the Human Race,” “Human Devolution,” “My
Science, My Religion.” Some contact information. And if you do like the kinds
of things you’ve heard today and are interested
in hearing more, you may want to
come on this cruise where I’m the speaker
in June, 2015. Go up and see the glaciers
and hear some weird stuff. So I have ended five minutes
before I intended to. [APPLAUSE] I did want to leave
some time for questions. MALE SPEAKER: Thank you. We’ll start from here. AUDIENCE: So I was also hoping
to get your point of view from Vedic or Purana on
the how old is humanity, and what did you find there. Because I think in
the talk, somebody replied that you would also come
to know about religious books, like Ramayana or
Mahabharata, how much of that is true based on the
archaeologic [INAUDIBLE]. MICHAEL CREMO: Well, it depends
upon what kind of circles I’m speaking in. For example, if I go to
Rishikesh or Haridwar in the Himalayan
mountains and sit around with a bunch of Vedic
scholars who accept statements from Vedic literature
as evidence, then, well, I can say in
the Bhagavad Purana, there are statements
that humans were existing during the [INAUDIBLE]
Period, which is in the first part of
the Culpa, or the day of– and they’ll understand
what I’m saying. And they’ll accept
that as evidence. If I’m at a meeting of the
World Archaeological Congress, or speaking at
Google headquarters, my audience is not
necessarily going to accept a statement
from the Bhagavad Purana or the
Mahabharata as evidence. So it’s like if you
go to a baseball game, you have to play by the
baseball game rules. And one of the rules is that
you can’t use a statement from a spiritual
text as evidence. Now, you can. So for the people who do–
I get questions like yours from many people. They want to say,
OK, you’ve given all this archaeological
evidence that you say is consistent with
Vedic texts, which talk, according to you,
in a general way about extreme human antiquity. But what do they actually
say, the Vedic literature themselves? So for such people,
I’m writing a book in which I will collect
all those Vedic statements. And then they can see. But that’s not the audience
that I am presented with today, that I’m presenting to today. It’s not the audience that
I get at universities. It’s not the audience
that I get at meetings of the World Archaeological
Congress or European Association of Archaeologists. A good question. And I’m writing a
book to answer it. AUDIENCE: Could you say more
about the actual contradiction between the extreme antiquity
of humans and evolution? Because in my mind,
it would just seem, well, the evolution
theory could just be oh, you just have to push
it back a few million years and it could still hold up. It’s just that it happened a
lot earlier than people thought. That seems like a
simplistic resolution. But is there
something else that’s constraining the timeline which
makes it really inconsistent? MICHAEL CREMO: Well,
it’s a good question. I’ll refer you back to the
statement of William Howells, who said, if the kind of
evidence that I’m talking about is consistent, it’s inconsistent
with the general theory of evolution. Because he said– I
didn’t quote everything he wrote to me in his letter. He said, but you’re
putting evidence for an anatomically
modern human presence before the known presence
of even the most simple apes and monkeys, which would be
our prospective ancestors. So you could conceivably
come up with another version of the evolutionary
theory, but it would be quite
different from anything that’s being proposed today. So that would be one
possible response, to do something like that. And if you feel inspired
to do it, then right on. This AUDIENCE: So you talked a lot
regarding your critics throwing out the archaeological
evidence based on it just being out of their paradigm,
filtering it away, and so on. But some of the critics who’ve
truly engaged your work, has it been just
that, or do they have valid,
scientific reasons why they’re refuting your evidence? MICHAEL CREMO: Normally–
I mean, everybody’s going to have to make up their
own minds about these things. What I try to do in
“Forbidden Archeology” was provide in each case all
of the different opinions, all sides of the
question, and leave it up to the reader to make up
their own mind whether they think it’s valid or not. Typically, the
reactions are to suggest first of all, it’s old evidence. In other words, but
this is very selective. It’s the idea that–
kind of like a milk carton, scientific evidence
got an expiration date. That any science
conducted before midnight, January 1, 1900
somehow has expired. But I noticed that those who
make that type of criticism are applying it
very selectively, because the standard
textbooks of archaeology are full of
discoveries that were made in the 19th century,
early 20th century. So it can’t just be that
just because something is from the earlier
history of archaeology, it has to be wrong. Another category
of objection has to do with lists of ways in
which something could be wrong. It’s possible there was a hoax. It’s possible it could’ve
slipped in through a fissure. It’s possible that the original
investigator made a mistake. It’s possible this,
it’s possible that. My general response to
that category of criticism is everything is
certainly possible. But if you’re going to
proceed in a scientific way, you should be able to show that
in this particular location, there was a fissure. There were artifacts
on the surface that resemble those that were
found at that level. And there definitely was a way
they could have got down there. So that’s another
category of objection. And of course, I’m willing
to engage on that level. And it’s one of
the things I hope to accomplish with the book is
to have a second look at some of these things. And if there are
objections, raise them. AUDIENCE: My question
is you mentioned about a guy that in 19th century
found a jawbone in a layer that was 400,000 year old. How did they knew
in 19th century that this particular
layer was that old without any dating methods? MICHAEL CREMO: OK. It’s a good question. What I said, if you
listened carefully, was that according
to modern geologists, the layer is a certain
number of years old. At that time, they characterized
things in another way, not using necessarily
years, but characterizing things as early Pleistocene,
early middle Pleistocene, and things of that sort. So if you translate those
terms to the modern dates that are attached to those
terms, it works out. So they would have
said, that jawbone was found in an early
Pleistocene layer, which would mean it would have
to be several hundred thousand years old at least. That’s why I went by the modern. To give an age in years, I
went by the modern geological dating of those
layers at Abbeville. For example,
Ribeiro, he would’ve said these stone tools
are early Miocene. Now, in the 19th century,
the conception of the Miocene was there. But it wouldn’t be exactly
the number of years that we now attach to it. But still, it was
considered to be very old in terms of the succession
of geological layers. But just for current reference,
I give the estimates in years that modern geologists have
determined for these layers. The same with Doctor
Whitney’s report. He would have said, these layers
are from the Pliocene Period, which is an old
geological period. Now, the layers that
he considered Pliocene are considered to be Eocene. And the age for them is between
30 and 50 million years. In the 19th century,
they wouldn’t be using the same number
of years that we do. But they had a concept
still that, in terms of the system they were
using, it was older. They expected human
beings like us to appear only in the very
latest, very recent Pleistocene Period. So if it was from the middle
or the early Pleistocene, that would be
anomalous for them. Is that helping? AUDIENCE: Let’s say
it’s 19th century. We dig a hole in the ground
and we find few layers. And they somehow decided,
oh, this layer is younger, this is older
based on the depth. But then they put
some dates to it. And I think it’s almost
the same as right now. We also have layers and they
have dates attached to them. And my concern is that maybe we
just attached the dates badly. How do you know exactly? Just like they might be
wrong about the dates in 19th century, they might
be wrong about the dates right now. MICHAEL CREMO: I’m
prepared to accept that if we want to say we
don’t know how old anything is, really, and all the dating
methods are unreliable, we could certainly do that. That’s one approach to take. The approach, however,
that I’ve taken is you have to have
some kind of framework for discussing things. And I’m addressing an audience
of geologists, archaeologists, paleontologists. And my way of creating a frame
of reference for the discussion is to say, according to
methods that you consider reliable– radiocarbon dating,
potassium argon dating, uranium series dating, zircon
fission-track dating– these layers belong to
this geological period, which you consider to be
millions of years old. Now, if you want to take the
approach that, well, nothing is reliable and we
don’t know anything about the real age
of anything, that’s certainly an approach
that could be taken. And some out in the world–
say if you’re a young Earth Christian creationist who
believes that the Earth is no older than
10,000 years, you’re going to be very critical of all
the different dating methods. And that may be the
way that such a person would approach this. The Vedic time scales
are more or less consistent with the
modern scientific time scales for the universe, and
the Earth, and things like that. So perhaps I’m not
motivated sufficiently to try to dismiss all the
different scientific dating methods. AUDIENCE: Are there
cases where the age of the layer and the dating,
some kind of scientific dating, of the actual bones, say, is
the same and is very ancient? MICHAEL CREMO: Well, there are–
if we’re talking about bone, there are only a
very few methods that can be used to
directly date bone. There’s the radiocarbon method. But that works only
back to about 50,000 or 100,000 years at
most because it’s based on the decay
of carbon-14, which has a half life of
about 5,000 years. And after about 20
half lives, there’s nothing left to measure. There’s the uranium
series method, which is based on
the decay of uranium to different daughter isotopes. And by measuring the
ratios of those isotopes and making certain assumptions
about intake and outflow of ions, you can
date bone going back a few hundred thousand years. But if we’re talking
about the formations that are millions of years old– say
early Pleistocene formations, Pliocene formations,
Miocene formations, there’s no method
that will allow you to directly date the bone. Now, let’s look, for example,
at the Castenedolo discoveries from Italy, where Professor
Ragazzoni found human bones in layers of rock from
the early Pliocene Period, or middle
Pliocene Period. There were attempts about
40 years ago to date those bones using the
radiocarbon method, and a young age was obtained. Now, the problem
with that is if you have a bone that really is,
say four million years old, and it gets contaminated
with the least amount of modern
carbon-14– which can happen in numerous ways
through the groundwater, through just even a
scientist touching the bone it can contaminate
it with recent carbon. Then even if the bone really
is, say, four million years old, if it’s gotten
contaminated with the least amount of modern carbon, which
can take place through bacteria infiltrating it, through
any number of methods, it will show an age of
100,000 years or less. So each case has to be
looked at very carefully. So there are cases–
but as I said, the methods that you can
use to directly date bone are limited to bones of, say, a
few thousand years old or less. For many the cases
that I’m talking about, the appropriate
method is to date the age of the formation
at which the bone is found and show it’s not intrusive. AUDIENCE: But you could say,
OK, well this layer is more than 300,000 or
400,000 years old, and the bone is shown to
be greater than 300,000, something greater than 300,000. But are there any
cases like that, then? MICHAEL CREMO: I can’t
think of any right offhand because usually the attempt
is to show the bone is, in the kinds of cases
that I’m dealing with, there are attempts to
show that bone is not as old as it’s purported to be. Undoubtedly, there
are cases like that. But I can’t– I’m not able to
give you one right off the top of my head. AUDIENCE: I’m curious whether,
from your perspective, the scientific evidence is
sufficient to convince you by itself. And if it is sufficient
to convince you by itself, then why refer to the
Vedic texts at all? Is there something special
about the Vedic texts that mystical texts from
other cultures lack? MICHAEL CREMO: Yeah. It’s a very good question. And I am open about what my
epistemological commitments are. And if we study the
Vedic epistemology, it tells us there are different
ways of getting evidence. There are different
categories of evidence. They’re called pramanas. One is called the
pratyaksha pramana. That means sense
evidence, things we can touch, see, measure. Then there’s anumana, which
means logical inference. If it’s like this and this,
then it must be like that. These methods for getting
knowledge about– especially about things that are beyond
the range of the senses, like what was happening millions
or billions of years ago, they become problematic. And therefore, according
to the Vedic epistemology, one can rely upon another
type of evidence– testimony. It’s called the
sabda pramana, which is based on the idea there
is some kind of higher intelligence that is
aware of these things and can communicate
information about them. And that’s considered to be
a higher kind of evidence. However, as I said, that is not
the epistemological assumption that’s dominant today
in the world of science. If you actually go back
in European science, even to 300 or 400
years ago, you’ll find that many of
the scientists had similar epistemological
commitments where they were– I mean, even, say, somebody like
Michael Faraday, a physicist who did a lot of the work
that unified electricity and magnetism. He worked along with
Maxwell to come up with the electromagnetic
field equations. The reason why he
started looking for unity was because he was a member
of a Christian sect called the Sandemanians, who had the
idea that all energies are unified in God. So based on his
spiritual conviction that energies are
unified, he was inspired to do the work
that led to his integration of electricity and magnetism. And he also tried to bring
gravity into the equation. It’s something that’s still
troubling physicists today, how to bring gravity
into the whole picture. But I understand that’s not
the dominant epistemological position today. So I put that aside. But you’re asking me why. Say if– so my
position is I’m going to represent an idea
from the Vedic text if there is any evidence that
can be used to justify it. If there were no
evidence, then I wouldn’t have anything to say
about it in scientific circles. On my own, I might still
have the conviction that that’s true. But I might stop trying
to represent that idea. Say if somebody could convince
me that there is absolutely no archaeological evidence
for extreme human antiquity, I would still believe in extreme
human antiquity for the reasons that I stated. But I might stop trying to
talk about it to audiences that don’t have similar
epistemological convictions. MALE SPEAKER: Cool. I think with that, we
will end the session. And we’ll thank Michael Cremo
for visiting Google once again and giving us this
wonderful talk.

100 thoughts on “Michael Cremo: “Forbidden Archaeology” | Talks at Google

  1. Finding bones in ancient layers of rock doesn't mean those bones are ancient themselves. Date the bones themselves; Instead of taking the word of people whom didn't have access to technologies capable of doing so.

    *I found a fresh body inside of a pyramid*, "omg people in ancient Egypt had I-phones!"

  2. The modern human has been around for several hundred thousand years (at least!).
    Modern humans dont sit idle. High civs has likely come and went many times in the past.
    That should be the default hypothesis.

    Just look how far we've come in the last 1000 years.
    If not for global disasters resetting our progress, we certainly would've reached divine ascension by now.

  3. This is one long monotonous sales pitch for a probably boring book. It's all about what others thought of his book. Who gives a shit? Give your findings.

  4. I lost at When he mentioned Indian Puranas. Lol
    History of India before Mauryan is empty. Only pre Mauryan Archaeological evidence we have is Harappan. Harappans never heard about horses, but almost all Indian Puranas have mentions of horses.

  5. DEAD MEN'S SECRETS
    by Jonathan Gray
    If we are to credit the collective testimony of all ancient races, man’s
    early history was truly an incredible one. It was a Golden Age of advanced civilization, of original giants who had superior intelligence and technology. This appears to have been a universal truth, known to everyone in
    ancient times. Sacred records affirm that at the very beginning (soon after the fall from
    Paradise) men possessed extraordinary mental abilities. Beginning with the
    raw earth, they mastered a high level of civilization in just the first six generations of their existence. In that short time they were able to build cities, play complex musical instruments and smelt metals. Indeed, with their scientific complexes, these earliest men, it seems, were no fools.
    We might well wonder to what degree they further developed and
    refined this technology in the final few centuries before the Flood struck. Were the miracles of science as common as they are now? A perfectly valid question, I think.
    Imagine it, if you can. Paved rainbow cities whose “houses of crystal”
    reflected every spectral hue; and we’re talking about air travel, computers and plastics. Did you know that when Alexander Graham Bell gave us the telephone, he hinted that it had been done before? “The old devices have been reinvented,” he observed. Yes, you read it right. That is exactly what Bell said.
    In fact the question was pressed further by the eminent British scientist
    Frederick Soddy, winner of a Nobel Prize in physics. He wondered whether the ancients might “not only have attained our present knowledge, but a power hitherto unmastered by us?”
    https://archive.org/details/dead-mens-secretsfull/page/n17

  6. Thanks Michael!

    There is overwhelming evidence we've been lied to and deceived for millennia on a grand scale about almost everything by a group of elites, 13 families, council of 300 et al.

    A huge tapestry of deceit, greed & secrecy to control and keep the true nature of humanity from ourselves and keep us enslaved to debt, cause constant wars, confusion and tension for them to get more wealth, control and power over us.

    From the Annunaki, Adamu, even our redacted and currupt bible, nibiru, monoatomic gold, religion, wars, Lincoln, Jackson, Garfield, JFK,  the federal reserve, USS Liberty,  giant skeletons, abduction/disappearances, pedophilia, PNAC, COFR, Tri Lat Comm to 911 and now the war on "terror." We ARE the terrorists.

    We support our troops by bringing them home now. 

    Wake up! Folks let's krush da kabal!

  7. Many were built by the LEMURIA'S peoples and by Atlantis we are No,5
    Civilization here on Earth!,Why you think we find artifacts as old has
    250,000 million years old like the Hammer in coal found and steel
    balls???.

  8. Many were built by the LEMURIA'S peoples and by Atlantis we are No,5
    Civilization here on Earth!,Why you think we find artifacts as old has
    250,000 million years old like the Hammer in coal found and steel
    balls???.

  9. This is very interesting information that I had never heard of before. Science is supposed to be an open-minded search for truth. Human nature always seems to create establishments that want to keep their own cherished published ideas intact and respected. Greek philosopher Pythagoras imagined that the Earth was spherical when majority opinion said it was flat, and Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus declared that the Earth orbits the Sun instead of the other way around, which was the “settled science” of his day. Dr. Ned Nikolov and Dr. Karl Zeller have discovered that politicians and “climate scientists” are completely wrong about the influence of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels on temperature. Please see their new solar system wide climate discovery based on NASA space probe data that proves the greenhouse gas theory is incorrect science. See New Climate Discovery at http://renewable.50webs.com/Zeller.Nikolov.html

    See discussion of NASA data faking at

    https://twitter.com/nikolovscience

    For illuminating climate science details, see Video Tutorial Cures Climate Hysteria at http://renewable.50webs.com/Video-Tutorial.html

  10. off topic: when Cremo speaks it sounds like he's constantly about to crack a joke, but he never does 🙂

  11. All these advanced industrial human civilizations wiped out by recurring global nuclear war but leaving no trace behind, not even a landfill. Or we just hung around for 4 million years and didn't bother to read, write, or basically do anything until a few thousand years ago. This is just laughable.

  12. Hahaha. This is right up there with the "banana proof" for creationism.

    Half-truths, innuendo and just general nonsense. But hey, nobody ever lost money overestimating the gullibility of stupid people.

  13. OMG Shills gone crazy in comments. Make some sense guys or why bother. Big up to Cremo. What a guy! If even 1% is fact my old paradigm is busted.

  14. Sandy bay is an olde English colonial style arrondisement in olde Hobart towne. The cottages there are like those in the coastal southwest corner of England. One white cottage is the home of Thomas MacFotheringson. He was a lieutenant in the royal Australian navy. He was married to Beatrice “bounty” blukubluku E7 MacTayloringham. On their walls they had pictures of British admiralty and privateer memorabilia. They also had a cousin in Balmain who was exactly the same. End of chapter one.

  15. What the fuck is Google doing allowing this horse shit to be aired under its name? Cremo should go take a running jump off the flat Earth.

  16. Fascinating and fearful what could have destroyed the civilizations of the past… Skull buried in volcanic ashes? Damn

  17. He"s a Hare Krishna fake guru, like the rest of them rich guru;s that are "renounced", he has his agenda and is making great cash on all you book buying suckers.

  18. Whaoh……whaoh….dude keeps farting through his neck. Like at 2:49. Hilarious. Very telling about what he’s saying. Doctrine of demons. Drink it up, you fools. It will be your doom. It is written.

    This crap is part of the great coming deception (I mean to say, the final consummation of it) that started a long time ago. Beware of Antarctica too. Many lies will come from that place.

  19. Ok, we get that that you’re insecure, but get to the point and stop trying to prove your worth. If what you say seems valid, along with any "proof" you give, we will evaluate it. But you waste so much of my time justifying yay your opinions should be accepted.
    Get on with it man!
    13 minutes in before you start talking about it!

  20. If they were like us, why were they barefoot? Hadn’t they invented shoes? Why don’t we wvwr find any show prints? (And I don’t mean Sandals)

  21. WHAT IF HUMAN=the alien of today and we came here from another PLANET, ! and the BAD HUMANS rule the less MURDERLIKE RECKLESS powerfull forcing humans ! and THE BAD HUMANS RUN THE WORLD NOW! and we asking ourself! WHY WE FACE GOOD ?AND BAD INNER OUR SOUL DAILY AND STRUGGLE TO BE HONEST RELAXED FAIR LOVING RESPECTING LISTENING TRUSTING and and and !

  22. THE BIBLE IS THE ROOT ! WHEN all the data must be REWRITTEN ! THATS NOW FOR THE NEW MESSIAH 3rd temple , whahahaha they try hard ! why obey religion i stop fuckn trash now im done with JEWS USA AND RUSSIA CHINA INDIA AUSTRALIA CANADA anny religion ANNYTHINK! I FEEL OPEN AND CLEAR AND FREE IN MY SOUL NOW FOR THE FIRTST TIME LIVING THIS ! FK THE WORLD =BAD FORGIVE THE FOOLS MAKING WRONG DESCISSION ABOUT ME AND GOSSIP TRASH! MEDIA jews $ jews ! torah give others $ with interrest and NEVER BUY FROM THEM! THATS thier rule to POWER! welcome to the club ,UR NOT IN IT! THNX SPONSOR $$$$$ TAX TO GO TO THE MOON <we let u stay ON EARTH < ur not 1 from the CRIMINAL BLOODLINE WHO KILL FORCE AND LIE TO GAIN POWER AND STAY IN IT! [email protected]

  23. PYRAMIDS IN BALKAN FKN HISTORY FKN LIERS SCAM SHITS ! proper said ! fkn illuminati trashers! hail u truthspeaking brother Michael A. Cremo! but truthspeakers are the most hatred ATM 2019! wiki leaks ! all messure kinda truth from wiki leaks ! BUT NOONE CARES ASSANGE <SUCH A SHAME! ignoring prick world!

  24. what happend to TESLA patents ! the world are for ELITES a nasty CONSUMING bullshit where they try to plant somethink new on! with lies , secret, fear , murder , injustice and and! ,,,, but WHAT U WANNA DO AGAINST ? dang headshot!

  25. OK. Here is the problem with this theory. He is assuming that the dating of the geological layers or formations are correct. They are not.These layers were not layed down over millions of years but one after the other at a time of a great world wide flood.

  26. Micheal Cremo stated that the Vedics mentioned Krishna before Hinduism was created. MC did not get his knowledge from Hinduism, MC is fully aware of the Vedic culture.

  27. Mainstream science says that the human species is about 2 million years old, but modern humans are about 315,000 years old – based on the data we have so far. It may turn out to be wildly wrong, but seems to agree with what he is saying anyway,. so I'm not sure why people are bashing mainstream science when it appears to be in agreement with him.

    And i have no idea why he himself is bashing mainstream science?…weird, but maybe it makes it easier to sell to those too disparate for wisdom…regardless of its quality.

  28. Flores Man would have gotten you fired in Anthropology in the '70's as it implies racial origins for discrete modern races. Edmund Leach said we could not entertain such politically incocrrect ideas in the '70's. Now we are moving toward different apes leading to different races. Science is a business consisting of salesmen who must follow false paradigms, such as Marxism, techno-environment determinism, or be fired. We now also know that techno-environmental determinism is false–pity the poor social scientists who wasted their entire lives writing books about this false paradigm. Economics does not cause ideological super structures. They cannot negate their past after 40 years of so-called "scholarship". It's sad, tragic, folly.

  29. I’m afraid you’re overthinking it!!
    You find men’s bones all over the world and they turn out to be men’s bones!!
    What exactly have you proven? Except that men die!
    It’s simple, if evolution happened then you can exclude Yahweh from your worldview. This means you can lie and even kill without conscience!
    Why you would buy into a theory that makes your life meaningless is self defeating.

  30. From his perspective, anything that points to a young earth is unacceptable. Sounds like the same attitude that those who oppose his data have.

    Personally, I think there are flaws in all of the dating methods as there is no way to conclusively determine that the material being tested, is in fact as old as the tests indicate. The test is based on accepted theories that may not be as proven as claimed.

  31. Postulating that mankind is millions, tens of millions, or hundreds of millions of years old, violates much more than merely the theory of evolution. It also requires that humans predate the beginning of the dinosaurs, and survived several major planetary plant and animal dies offs. It also requires that scientists ignore many, many types of fossils that go back hundreds of millions of years. I can see that explanations of how human skeletons and objects were found in ancient rock layers are very difficult to come up with, but there is much more evidence that those skeletons and objects can not be that ancient.

  32. We are seeing through a kaleidoscope of myriad interpretations, theories and hypotheses when it comes to understanding, deciphering, and discovering the truth about the origin of life, of man and of the universe. The enígma about our past will still continue to baffle until such time that we shall have been able to find the missing links, clues and connections that will complete the circle of our inquiry, which is next to impossible since there is no way for us to teleport into that distant landscape when human beings were not yet as ubiquitous as what we can see everyday so much so that most of us seem to take for granted the sanctity of human life.

  33. Another raving loonie babbling about the Great Conspiracy to stop them revealing the Truth to the World.. Bored now. erich von Daniken was much funnier.

  34. We need the facts only….not just someone’s personal opinion and them guessing about theories …. it’s sad 😞 they just can’t be trusted!

  35. They tell lies to get what they want…. it’s called playing dumb for money 💰! It’s like a global mind cancer….it’s sad 😔

  36. Bullies/Globalist don’t want to debate…. they just want everybody to follow or be forced into their junk science beliefs and theories …. they will even push older people around if they won’t LIE about the true historical factors… it’s a shame!

  37. This idiot is the most boring fucking speaker I ever heard in my life, no wonder the students were so quiet, they were all unconscious. On top of that, what he says, (slowly) is even more fucking stupid than Hancocks drivel.

  38. So Google let Michael talk about extreme human antiquity but TED is denouncing Graham Handcock for basicly the same ideas.

  39. A hero of mine this man. So frustrating though, he doesn't get the public attention he deserves. Yes he explains why and yet I ask why :)… So frustrating. He is right! The society of quackademia people, historians, archaeologhists etc, are so wrong about our history. And they refuse to admit it. There is an inertia in the way things go – ok… So one day we will give Michel Cremo credit for his work – I'm quite sure of it… But it will take time…

  40. He is older man and he talking slow. This is normal for M.Cremo. Stop this : ooo he so slow ! he wery nice slow voice and that is no problem for me 🙂

  41. The most obvious thing is that they have the dating of rocks all wrong. Second thing they have wrong listen we did not evolve. There's no evidence of it. That's the reason these douchebags must lie and change things to fit their satanic agenda of evolution or should we call it what it is evilution.

    Yes evilution the lie.

  42. Outstanding work, Google Talks!

    It is so refreshing to hear the alternative views some scientists hold presented somewhere in public.
    It is important to note that how long humans have been around on this rock is an opinion based on believed evidence supporting one theory or another, nothing more.
    Also, a well considered, evidence-based debate should be considered a good thing.
    En Lak' esh, Namaste

  43. hmm.. i never bothered to watch this cause it was a "google" talk., and well, Fuck google. but after reading some comments i may actually give it a listen.

  44. How many of you bozos understand the "mainstream narrative" sufficiently to accept this moron's counter-narrative?

  45. EVERYTHING in science is impacted by our belief system and implicit assumptiona. Take evolution which is a THEORY with ZERO evidence as NO ones seen anything evolve yet we discard actual evidence in the name of the theory. Which is the opposite of good science, as theories are ONLY there till we can find the evidence to prove or disprove the idea.
    Becoming "experts" in many respect creates the exact opposite, as we are hamstring by what we think we know discounting everything which doesn't align as being MYTH, like the Sumerian & Egyptian King's lists which state that there were kings which reigned for 1,000 of yrs, and only post flood did they state reigning more normal time periods. Yet BOTH have the exact same time period (24,000 yrs) and contain MANY proven historical figures on the exact same list. Thus HOW can some be "mythology" while the rest we KNOW are factual.

  46. I constantly tell my bf to STOP thinking trying to determine theories about what's occurred and focus on ONLY data collection. As ppl have such a quest to develop stories to explain things that we often m As I've been studying Sumeria, Egypt, Mali, Mayan history, all which are both unconnected and extremely similar early accounts.

  47. In many ways scientists are the most biased ppl on the planet (I'm one of them btw) as our education means we believe we "know" better everyone else, we're NOT allowed to challenge the work of previous scientists, and pressure to be seen as "experts" mean we have ALL the reason in the world to self edit & go with the "mainstream" version as both funding and our careers often depend on how "mainstream" we are. Not that we aren't allowed to advance science, we're just NOT allowed to challenge the past, ONLY building on it and strengthening the same story. The ONLY times this changes is when there is just TOO much wrong with the theory, evidence etc… Thus everytime someone tries to build on the idea they end up only poking more holes in it.

  48. Most of our most widely believed science is based on 100-1000's of yrs of ideas yet students are taught as if these ideas were the works of a enlightened singular person OR just simply facts while in reality they're based on the myths of certain civilizations which ALL seek to control others. We treat ancient docs as being "evidence" and accurate, NOT written by scribes who's job is to write what the civilization/king wishes ppl to believe. Hence we have NO history during "dark ages" at all as we're FAR too apt to believe any writings we find aka only those docs which were created specifically to instill a specific narrative as Rome was great at destroying ALL opposing narratives, just like Israel has done to the Palestinian history, and the US with the native Americans OR Islam vs it's earlier history (all Qu'rans were ordered destroyed during the great consolidation just like how Rome destroyed ALL other Christian sects to control the religion as Rome has continue to rule over 2600yrs at this pt LONG after the fall of what we consider the Roman empire as Rome is STILL the heart of Christianty and has incredible power over the entire western world bc of it's hording and insuring it alone controls Christian world.

  49. Darwin's hypothesis was used to say that white's were superior, more evolved then other races, is meant to dominate/rule the world and capitalism in the "winning" ideology . In other words I can be totally selfish and cause millions to die bc IF they were fit they'd survive, (every man for themselves) thus the fact they died means they aren't just useless but harmful to human evolution.
    For example: buy grain from a country in the midst of a famine like the British did multiple times in India causing at least 25 million deaths as the east believes in charity, socialism, pacifism and helping each other out whereas the west believes in violence, conquest, and property rights.

  50. The east is all about community, hence they have such massive populations compared to the west which focuses on property rights and individual's desire for wealth. Thus even the Greeks believed that the world was overpopulated as capitalism is all about scarcity and disparity when in reality there's always been plenty, but they just want it for themselves but need to figure out myths to make the common person okay with such unjust outcomes and difficulties.

  51. For me evolution is nothing more then the west's attempt to make it right all the killing, stealing and enslaving of other ppl. As they just aren't "fit", and thus those who're elite are Superior and meant to rule, and those who die just couldn't compete. Aka NOT THEIR FAULT, & even worse a GOOD thing for the race to STAY superior hence eugenic or racial hygiene, and overpopulation theory. (began with the first democratic society when there was a mere 150 million ppl as this ideology is all about wealth thus the more ppl the less wealth they get, BUT at the same time the less ppl the more THEY have to work for themselves and the more isolated and threatened they becomes. Hence democracy has ALWAYS imploded as it's self cannibalizing as soon as it stops expanding just like today. Or it fails bc it over expands as it MUST continue to expand as it's a pyramid scheme.)

  52. Cremo is a Beacon in the Dark skies of modern science….he will be in textbooks 100 years from now; as a pioneer.

  53. Man Michael is getting Older . Makes me feel 0ld . I been listening to him for Years . He really knows what he is talking about 🙂 QC

  54. I am completely open minded but curious on how anyone could possibility determine the age of anything as 200 million years old or older. I could be missing something but everything he stated was completely subjective. How are the years measured?

  55. Interesting, given the Earth is approx 4.5 billion years old it does kinda make sense that we've been around for an awful long time.

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