Le Mythe des Ninjas

This episode is sponsored by Editions
Kurokawa who are releasing a new manga, Shinobi Gataki, talking about a samurai in search
of revenge ready to hunt all the ninjas until the last If you like samurais
badass that fool everything that moves, go for it, you will not be disappointed, I have not been
in any case ! I put you a link in description who will send you on the manga and I will
talk again of course at the end of the video. By then, good episode! My dear comrades, good morning! Prepare your black masks and grapples
because today we will address the issue thorny of the famous ninja warriors
! And the least we can say is that there are a lot of cliches to destroy
because you’re going to see it, the very notion of what a ninja has evolved over the
time. This episode is co-written with Tony from the show “L’Histoire en 5
minutes “and we relied on the work of Stephen Turnbull, who has a lot
worked on these issues of folklore, which tries to unravel the true from the fake and who
today works with academics Japanese on the question. When we talk about ninjas, we see everything from
what are we talking about because his image is very widespread in popular culture.
He is a masked warrior, fully clothed of black, specialized in infiltration missions,
intelligence or even murder that also has a very advanced mastery
martial arts. These ninjas, whether it’s in manga or in movies, are often
placed in historical situations that are from the Japanese Middle East to
These days. And for once, it’s commonly accepted
that their existence as such is attested historically and linked to ancestral tradition
around the special techniques of the ninjas, we call the ninjutsu. The meaning of the terms ninja and ninjutsu
corresponds quite well to this popular image: the root “nin” that we
found in both words has the meaning of endurance but also of secrecy and invisibility,
while “ja” means the one who practices something and “jutsu” the techniques.
The term Ninjutsu means art to make himself invisible and that of Ninja means
the one who implements these techniques. Yet this ninja term is relatively
recent, it has only been popularized in the Twentieth century and especially after the
Second World War, first by a important literature, but also and especially
by many movies, including many nanars, to the point of not remaining a purely
Japanese but to make themselves known too largely in the West. Even if this picture of the Ninja and his mastery
martial arts has been very romanticized, especially for a commercial purpose we imagine
Well, she still has a background of truth from Japanese history. So who were the ninjas really? We
go see that together. First of all, we have to go back a little
and take into account a historical context proper to Japanese history. During the Sengoku period in Japan, from the middle
from the 15th to the very beginning of the 17th century, civil wars, or rather the many
wars between regional lords, the daimyo, are recurrent. This war climate almost
permanent promotes the development of espionage and secret operations, intended to
surprise the enemy. But at that time the term ninja does not exist
not and the sources speak rather of shinobi to designate espionage actions
and how to do something so discreet and secretive. The sources use it moreover first
as an adjective, thus designating a way to do, and only later as a
name, which seems to prove that ninjas do not form a class of warriors apart
from others. Indeed the idea that the ninjutsu was
an art that is transmitted only within the secret elite of shinobi, body of
elite warriors closed on himself, is an important part of the myth of the ninja. In reality the samurai who were fighting
at that time already formed an elite hereditary, specialized in art
of the war, and no source of the time suggests that shinobi have formed a
full group that could be compared to “super samurai”. It’s even rather the opposite! The adjective “shinobi” is even sometimes
associated with locally rebellious warriors against the samurai aristocracy. From
of the eleventh century the Japanese region of Iga had several rebellions against these samurai
for example, sometimes born of disputes fiscal and rebel groups have
could be called shinobi. Ninjas or shinobi are also sometimes seen
like mercenaries, which does not stick no longer to the samurai code of conduct
for whom loyalty was very important. But to get to the bottom of things, in the
same time Japan of that time, one does not know the use of companies of
mercenaries, in the sense that it would be professionals trained and over-trained who would sell their
service. So the term Shinobi would have rather used to designate the recruitment
against money from individuals from low social classes to train troops
irregular, next to the warrior elite samurai, to practice ambushes
and night attacks. And that finally corresponds to the qualification
of shinobi, since these are prepared actions and executed in secret. In addition, the recruitment of these types from
of modest backgrounds allowed at the same time to the regional lords, the daimyo, not to
not sacrifice their samurai in operations risky. Groups that can be called shinobi,
and comparable to ninjas, were therefore at that time very diverse and we’re
far from an elite body in its own right. The two neighboring Japanese regions of Iga
and Koga are often considered to be the geographical origin of the ninjas. And here too, we can say that it is false,
or if you want to be nice, that’s true in part, in very small part, because
these two small regions could not provide alone so many trained men
to espionage and secret actions. However, it can quite match
to a local tradition of excellence in the ninjutsu, without being exclusive
as today’s pop culture affirms and the local tourism industry of these
two regions. It’s a bit like home, just
that Joan of Arc put her buttocks on a tree trunk to rest and one in
makes a tourist destination of choice highlighting the fact that she had chosen
this one and not another. To each country its folklore! We know in any case that these two regions
have stood for several decades to Oda Nobunaga, the warlord and
Japan’s unifier in the second half 15th century. It is during these wars
that these two regions, which were organized in confederation (ikki) and not submitted
to a daimyo, have particularly illustrated themselves in the use of espionage techniques
and asymmetrical war in guerrilla form and harassment. And that especially to compensate the report of
force which was particularly unfavorable to them. Suddenly night attacks, infiltrations of
the opposing army, etc. In the case of these two small regions,
the existence and implementation of these practices of shinobi or secret war, already well
before the war with Oda Nobunaga, had nothing to do with mercenaries we have
says, but rather with opportunistic interventions to ensure the survival of their confederation,
including in neighboring regions. The origin of the ninjas at Iga is rather
to find in the midst of independent samurai organized in confederation and communities
peasants who all seek to preserve their independence from the external lords. These practices were therefore a necessity for them
and an adaptation to the fact that they were unable to raise large armies and
fight conventionally. Well, that does not mean that they succeeded
their shot because these wars against Oda Nobunaga have finally cost a lot to
these two regions. First the confederation Koga was submitted by Nobunaga from
1574, then that of Iga, who wished continue the war to the end, suffered
his final defeat in 1581. Which resulted in the sacking of a
much of the region with the death of 4,000 men and women and the destruction of
many villages by the army of Nobunaga. Afterwards the men of Iga and Koga
will disappear from sources dealing with wars during the seventeenth century and these
provinces will become peaceful at the Tokugawa era. And yet, this is not quite the
end of the shinobi in the seventeenth century. Given the bravery reputation in combat of these
men of Iga and Koga, but also certainly their good integration into the Japanese military society, some of them are chosen in the late sixteenth and early seventeenth
century by the new shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu to form two corps of personal guards
for his Edo Castle (now Tokyo). Their missions also include collecting
information, with at least until early eighteenth century surveillance
daimyos, these regional lords who are now all subject to Shogun. This monitoring is intended to preserve
state security and to keep a look at at least two threats: first the daimyos with the aim of
prevent rebellion, and then Japanese converts to Christianity, which has
was introduced in the archipelago in the 16th century and has met with some success.
Now all converts are considered as potential traitors and a threat. At that time, the ninjutsu referred to
simply technical techniques of operations under cover including military manuals
of the Tokugawa period deal with more or less details. These manuals put
also forward a very spiritual character and religious of ninjutsu while on the
practical plan they deal with pharmacology, with herbal treatments, or
again from the use of canon powder, but there are no descriptions
specific operations: no men in black, no
assassinations techniques, no shurikens, no reference to individual combat in one-on-one. What emerges is that the role of shinobi
is not to fight, but to infiltrate the enemy, to get information,
and come back with alive. Some manuals also give examples
disguises by which the shinobi can travel under cover: especially
the monk or the flute player. The master shinobi’s word is invisibility,
in the sense that they have to manage to hide and to hide themselves from the eyes of their enemies. In the eighteenth century sources indicate that
several regional lords (daimyo) had also engaged shinobi who belonged
to the samurai caste, but nothing indicates whether they came from Iga or Koga, which
shows that Iga and Koga were before all recognized for their excellence, but
did not necessarily have exclusivity. At the same time the men of Iga and Koga
are gradually being replaced in these missions monitoring and information
by new special bodies. However they do not disappear completely
and it is in the 19th century, in 1865, that’s mentioned for the last time a shinobi
in the service of the shogun. As we have seen these ninjas, or rather shinobi,
were rather infiltrators and spies, whose primary mission was
not the fight itself but rather confuse the enemy by
surprise attacks or intelligence gathering and infiltration, so there is a
difference between what we can call the “Ninja myth” and the historical reality. Yet since the 1950’s and 1960’s
the image of the Ninja is fixed like that of a warrior, masked and completely
dressed in black, who practices ninjutsu in mixing martial arts, use of shurikens
and fumignes, wall climbing, infiltration of ennemies fortresses. Most of the time
they are engaged and trained by the masters ninjas from the regions of Iga and Koga where we
find the best of them. Sometimes it goes also further and these
ninjas are presented as having powers supernatural. This is for example the case in 1958 where in
one of his novels Futaro Yamada describes ninjas who turn their hair into thorns
porcupines and use them as weapons, just that ! A script that should be adapted to the cinema
if it has not been done already! Me I want to see that! But everything was not done in the twentieth century,
changing shinobi in these ninjas that we know has actually started as soon
the Tokugawa era of which we already have speak. From the 17th to the 19th century, Japan is in
peace and the writers are already starting to exaggerate and embellish the stories of the wars of
the Sengoku era, especially by making regions of Iga and Koga the specialists of
ninjutsu and ninjas. There is then a form of nostalgia but also
a desire to maintain warlike values in a peaceful Japan.
Military manuals of the Tokugawa era that we have already addressed then treat
ninjutsu as infiltration techniques and espionage. But for the ordinary people of the time
Tokugawa this term of ninjutsu evokes supernatural and magical techniques that have
a link with witchcraft and that is relayed by many books of the time.
It is in these stories that the “magicians” practicing ninjutsu start to merge
with the historical shinobi to become the ninja in the twentieth century. For example in the nineteenth century a hero of
fiction, Jiraiya, is able to transform itself into a toad to go unnoticed while
that his enemy Orochimaru can transform himself into a snake. It’s completely … fanciful, shall we say,
to stay in the politically correct, but it shows that the link is made to this
time between magic and the need to make invisible shinobi. In the same way the garment of the ninja,
totally black and masking the face, do not does not correspond to the shinobi’s need to
disguise to travel discreetly without arousing suspicions. Clearly today when you want to do
a robbery, the best way to get there, it’s not to take the metro with your hood
to go there… This image actually comes from illustrations
of the nineteenth century with murderers dressed in black to take avantage of the night and
who therefore demonstrate shinobi skills, however their actions are motivated only
by seeking personal revenge and they act alone, which does not correspond
nor to the mode of action of shinobi. So we have an image stuck on shinobi
who are not shinobi, there’re assassins dressed in black. An image that
could be used again in the 20th century to create the ninjas. At the beginning of this twentieth century,
the term of ninjutsu, which already meant the secret war techniques but also
a form of magic, takes on an extra meaning. For example at Ito Gingetsu, who writes
that at that moment, the ninjutsu has nothing to do with a secret practice but is
in fact related to discipline, endurance and the ability to adapt to conditions
extremes. For him, ninjutsu is a form of
personal development and conditioning physical pushed. With such a description one could
expect to see this ninja figure used by Japanese propaganda during
the Second World War. But no ! It is that of the samurai and his code of conduct
which is widely exploited. Popularity of the ninja, it comes after 1945 and this is
not without reasons. First in the 1950s is born a “tourism”
ninja “to Iga, even before the first movies. This tourism is set up by Okuse
Heishichiro who was twice mayor of Iga and who seized the interest of the ninja myth
for the tourist development of his city, with the creation of a museum
ninjutsu, statues and art sessions martial, but also the writing of many
books. The whole thing influencing the cinema. It is
for example in his writings that appears for the first time the shuriken as we
know him and he also justifies the costume black ninjas by their nocturnal actions. The success of ninjas after 1945 is explained
also by prohibiting martial arts for a few years by the authorities
of US occupation who want to demilitarize Japanese society. In addition, the responsibility
of the war is rejected on the aristocracy and by extension on the samurai who become
tyrants and cruel characters in literature and cinema, while
ninjas offer a new hero profile who can come from the common people. In the early 1960s ninjas invade
Japanese cinema. These movies usually take a more or less historical background. For example the film Shinobi no mono of 1962,
considered a turning point in the appearance of these ninja movies, takes place during
the rebellion of the Iga region against Oda Nobunaga, in 1579, of which we already have
speak. In this movie Oda Nobunaga takes moreover the traits of a samurai and a tyrant
sadistic against whom is opposed by the brave ninjas of Iga. It’s in the same decade as ninjas
are also introduced in the West, but not by a Japanese film. This is the British film “We only live
twice, “the fifth James Bond, released theatrically in 1967, reproducing some
movie scenes from Japanese ninjas like Shinobi no mono and that helps to popularize them. The current and very popular ninja figure
so is a myth. Ninjas as we they are commonly represented never
existed in this form. Nevertheless, this image is based on historical realities
and the existence of certain espionage practices and intelligence at the time of Japan
feudal. But these have been greatly modified
over the centuries and the supposed “tradition” ninjas transmitted until today
actually corresponds to a process of reinvention that lasted for hundreds of years to
lead to the ninja we know since the 1960s. I encourage you to pay close attention to the subject, because there is a lot of not very serious infos
on the web and elsewhere. Thank you all for watching this episode
who I remember was written with Tony from the “History in 5min” channel,
you can find his channel in description just like the works of Stephen Turnbull
on which we relied for this show. I announced it at the beginning of the episode,
this video is sponsored by editions Kurokawa for the release of a new series
of manga, Shinobi Gataki which will feature 5 volumes. In this volume 1, the author reinvents
a little Japanese codes of folklore by delivering us a vision of samurai and ninjas
a little different from the interpretations that already exist. But clearly, we will play
on these clichés of ninjas with a force magical, by the way some look like
a little to half-dead punks with super power, they are pretty stylish …it is pretty raw in tone and mood, There are flying arms and heads,
fights with super ninja techniques who do badass stuff, in short, a
series of fighting 100% assumed I want to say where we follow the adventures of a
samurai, Toranosuke, aka “the hunter ninja “, who must track them down to
last to take revenge. About what ? it is necessary read the manga to know it of course
! I put the link of the book in description, just click on it to go to
order. We find ourselves very soon for new
episodes, by then, be wise but not too much ! See you later !

100 thoughts on “Le Mythe des Ninjas

  1. Bravo.
    Fantastique video promotionnel. J'avais déja vu quelque element sur le fait que les ninja ne faisait pas d'art martiaux et je voulait creusé un peut cela. Mais la profusion de lien sur les ninja m'avais fait abandonner et voila une tres bone vidéo qui résume bien la chose.
    Maintenant soit je me contente de ce que tu as dis soit a partire de tes infiormation j'aurai plus de facilité pour chercher.

    Donc merci.

  2. Moi par exemple je fais du karaté je suis ceinture marron et j’applique on art martial à chac moment en le montrant donc on peut dire que je suis un ninja non?

  3. Pour compléter cette vidéo iconoclaste sur les mythiques combattants de l'ombre, je me permets de conseiller le visionnage du remarquable documentaire de John Wate, «Les guerriers ninja» sorti en 2011. ✦

  4. Même si c'est super intéressant, je me suis frustrée qu'il n'est pas placé de dédicace à Naruto 🙁

  5. ça a remis pas mal de mes croyances à plat, mais tout en étant extrêmement intéressant et captivant.
    Comment fais tu Ben pour réussir un tel mélange ?… 🙂

    Sinon, pour rester dans le thème du folklore du pays du soleil levant, penses-tu faire un jour une vidéo sur les inspirations de Okami ?
    (il faudrait peut être que je me trouve un peu de temps pour le terminer un jour ce jeu)

  6. Enfin une vidéo francophone sur la réalité des ninja! Et une bonne vidéo en plus! Ca fait du bien d'entendre un vidéaste connu annoncer que les "ninja assassin" n'ont jamais existé (à part peut être quelques exceptions qui confirment la règle) aux personnes qui ne connaissent pas la vérité à cause de leur limite linguistique (et/ou de leur volonté de recherche)!
    Merci Nota Bene!

  7. Superbe boulot!! Quand ma fille me dit qu'elle veut devenir "youtubeuse", je lui disais de faire un vrai travail. Mais quand je vois la qualité de vos vidéos (fond et forme). Bein, je dois reconnaître que c'est un vrai travail… BRAVO!!

  8. J'ai beaucoup aimé très intéressant surtout le coup des "magiciens"…. Tu comprend pas comment un mec peut s'infiltrer dans un château sans se faire repérer ? Déjà à l'époque c'était "ta gueule c'est magique"

  9. Ta vidéo a détruit une partie de mon enfance… Mais bon, je suppose qu'il faut bien grandir à un moment ! 😉

  10. Votre vidéo n'est que calomnie ! Nous autres les ninjas nous sommes des guerriers de catégorie supérieure. J'aurais votre tête avec mon katana de ninja; mais d'abord je vous lancerai mes bombinettes de ninja et mes étoiles de ninja ! Vous ne saurez même pas que je serais là et hop je vais me téléporter ha! ha! je vous ferais payer votre affront nien..

  11. Il me semble que la couleur noir sur les tissus étaient réservées aux riches (rare et chère), cela tenaient mal sur les tissus (moins bien que maintenant, et mm encore aujourd'hui cela passe vite au marron à force de lavage et d'êtres exposés à la lumière) si mes souvenirs sont bons il fallu attendre l'industrie textile en Europe au 19 ème pour avoir du pigment noir qui teint mieux sur les tissus et en plus grande quantité à des prix abordable …
    J'avais lu un bouquin il y a une 20ène d'années qui parlais brièvement du "mythe ninja", il était rapporté que "si" ils avaient utilisé de tel combinaison tel qu'ils sont représentés dans l'imaginaire populaire, ce ne devait être de couleur noir (pour les raisons dites plus haut), que cela aurait été un mauvais choix car pendant la nuit rien n'est réellement aussi sombre et donc une masse noir aurait été pas très efficace, il aurait été préférable d'utilisé une couleur tel que le marron foncé, terre de sienne (à l'image de la couleur de la terre retournée des champs…), voir bleu Marine.
    Ils n'avaient pas d'épée longue, ni courbé comme les samurai (d'ailleurs de tel épées n'étaient pas abordable, les seigneurs les faisaient faire pour leur samouraï, c'étaient un privilège … il aurait été dangereux d'en posséder une sans le mériter, je ne sais pas si d'ailleurs il y eu des loi…), les "ninjas" auraient eu des épées droite et petites comme des glaives pouvant être accrochées le long de la cuisse plus vraisemblablement plutôt que dans le dos ( d'ailleurs un katana dans le dos c'est une abération, on ne peut pas le sortir de son fourreau…) ils auraient sinon eu des dagues aux avant bras ou au triceps avec le Manche accessible près du coude… une lame courte est plus polyvalente et plus pratique dans des lieux exigus.
    Les "étoiles de ninja" n'auraient pas servi à blesser et encore moins à tuer mais à faire diversion en les lançant contre des troncs d'arbres pour le bruit, faire fuir des oiseaux depuis un lieu autre à fin de diriger l'attention des gardes ou éclaireurs par ex.

  12. conseil de lecture pour les intéressées http://www.lulu.com/shop/bernard-bordas/le-secret-des-ninja-pouvoirs-performances/paperback/product-23482605.html

  13. Je ne sais pas pourquoi je tombe sur ta chaine. Mais le fait de baser ton argumentation sur un seul auteur sans le présenter c'est léger lol. De un j'ai du mal à te faire confiance de 2 j'ai du mal à faire confiance à Stéphen TUrn Boules… J'espère que tu comprendra ce que je veux dire. Plusieurs auteurs différent cela aurais été mieux. Je suis fâché parce que tu m'a retiré une innocence de comme quoi les ninjas n'existent pas ! lol Sympa la chaine en tout cas

  14. Il y a un reportage sur arte qui contredit certains elements https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-969ILOSuY il faut en penser quoi ?

  15. Rien à voir avec ta vidéo, mais je prévois de faire les plages de Normandie avec mon camping car vintage, si tu veux en profiter pour faire un reportage, je peux faire dormir 5 personnes, je fais des petits vlog sur ma chaîne de 130 abonné, "nos aventures en camping car vintage". Et jeune passionné d histoire, bien sûr je débute depuis 2 mois, à toi de voir, en tout cas beau boulot et moi aussi je t écoute au boulot, et je trouve ta manière d expliquer tellement agréable good job

  16. Alors juste, je tient à préciser que Shinobi Gataki est très Bien, je l’ai lu et je vous le conseil, Les dessins sont magnifique, l’histoire géniale, Les combat ÉNORME

  17. j'apprécie toujours autant votre format et les contenus. Je ne suis pas entièrement d'accord sur tout mais c'est vraiment bien sur un sujet compliqué. Je trouve juste un peu dommage de ne pas avoir mentionné la structure organique de ces organisations…

  18. Alors tout le monde s'en fout probablement mais le poster avec le train derrière Ben est une illustration réalisé par Raphael Lacoste, directeur artistique chez Ubisoft et que vous ave déjà pu voir en interview sur la chaine à l'occasion des vidéos sponsos sur AC Origins mais également lors d partenariat de Ben avec Arte.

  19. Du coup, monsieur Karim Debbache qui s'énerve quand du haut de la Montagne Ishikari – Japon, un vieux déclare que la princesse rebelle est maintenant une shinobi, ça ne serait pas si faux ? Faudra penser à le prévenir.

  20. 99.9% des histoires d'arts martiaux asiatiques sont de la pipe totale inventé au 20 ème siècle pour le tourisme exotique.

  21. 05:28 attention, petite erreur : Oda Nobunaga a opéré pendant la seconde moitié du XVIeme siècle et non pas du XVeme siècle

  22. Bravo pour ce travail bien fourni. Je vous renvoie aux recherches de Guillaume Lemagnen et de Bernard Bordas sur ce sujet, qui corroborent vos propos.

  23. Extrait d'un commentaire d'un historien : " j'ai fait d'autre recherches à ce sujet et j'ai découvert que Turnbull a fait récemment son mea culpa au sujet des ninjas dans un article* où il admet lui-même qu'il a raconté vraiment n'importe quoi dans ses précédents ouvrages**.
    On peut donc probablement ranger le présent livre au rang des fantaisies qui n'auraient jamais dû se retrouver dans une série consacrée à l'Histoire."
    *Turnbull, Stephen (2014) "The Ninja: An Invented Tradition?," Journal of Global Initiatives: Policy, Pedagogy, Perspective: Vol. 9 : No. 1 , Article 3
    **notamment Ninja: The True Story of Japan's Secret Warrior Cult, qui a servit de base au présent livre.

  24. si j'ai bien compris en gros les ninjas ce n'étaient que de simple rebelles/espion ou assassin ? Ils n'avaient rien de particulier mis à part le fait qu'ils soient japonais

  25. On pense ce qu'on veut de naruto, mais dans une vidéo traitant du mythe des ninjas je trouve étrange que l'oeuvre ne soit pas citée.

    Sinon c'était une chouette vidéo tébayo

  26. 10:34 "Les écrivains commencent déjà à enjoliver les récits de guerre de l'époque Sangoku" xD d'où l'invention de Freezer et Cell dès le 19e siècle ! (c'est sEngoku ;o )

  27. il n'y a pas que au japon par exemple le Kan Kubilai c'etai fait attaqué par des sorte de ninja bèrbère je crois les hashashine qui passais a travers les eaux et les mur comme des "djinn" . Domage que tu n'en n'est pas parler . Ce n'est pas que japonais . . .

  28. tu devrai aller faire un séminaire au musé du shinobi d'igaryu quand je l'ai visité ils nous ont pas du tout expliqué la même chose. Ils seraient surement très intéressé par tes connaissances.

  29. En fait t'as pas compris.
    Au fil des siècles, les ninjas ont perfectionné leurs techniques de dissimulation à tel point qu'ils ont fini par disparaitre des livres d'histoires.

  30. Salut je croit que tu et complément tardive
    Je sait de puis que je suit petit qu'il existé et il y an à encore mai toi tes ouf

  31. Selon des sources obscures sur le net, les pratiques supposé inédite d'Iga-ryu et koga-ryu auraient pour origine une certaine "secte des mendiant" issue du sud de la chine, et qui aurait migré vers le Japon suite à leur participation à la révolte contre les King, bien qu'il doit certainement s'agir d'un amalgame issu du folklore chinois. La secte du mendiant est surtout présente dans des œuvres de littérature chinoise de style "wu xia". Tous comme la "secte du lotus blanc", ou bien encore les "jonques rouges", souvent désignés comme des sources importantes dans l'évolution et la diffusion des arts martiaux du Guangdong (en particulier dans les styles hakka), mais dont les sources historiques, en tant que tel, semblent inexistantes.
    Aussi, cette rivalité entre Iga et Koga, tel que dans les œuvres de littérature japonaise, me fait fortement penser à celle entre les école du serpent et de la grue (parfois mentionnés comme sources d'origine possible du Wing Chun, mais toujours pas de sources historiques en vue). Ces deux histoires servent respectivement de toile de fond à des romances de type "Roméo et Juliette" parfois quasi identiques.
    Cela dit, je ne peux affirmer s'il s'agit d'une simple source d'inspiration littéraire par des auteurs japonnais, ou s'il y a bien transposition
    des mythes venant des migrant chinois.
    Donc, si quelqu'un peut m'éclairer.

  32. Bonjour , Merci pour ce documentaire intéressant . Je voulais rajouter 2 choses :

    1 – Lorsque l'on donne des définitions de mots japonais , chinois voir coréens, il est toujours mieux d'utiliser les Kanji (漢子) ; ninjutsu (忍術) ; ninja (忍者) , shinobi 忍 , car notre alphabet latin n'est du tout adapté pour ces langues.

    2 – Dans ta vidéo , tu ne parles pas de Toshitsugu Takamatsu 高松 寿嗣 dit "le dernier des ninjas" et garde du corps du dernier empereur de Chine Puyi 溥儀, ainsi que de son élève Masaaki Hatsumi 初見 良昭 et de son école le Bujinkan 武神館 . En France, l'un des élèves de Hatsumi le plus connu est Bernard Bordas .

    Cela pourra faire l'objet d'une autre Vidéo…a bientôt et merci pour ton travail encore.

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