Julie Brown: I Think Epstein Manipulated His Way Out Of Suicide Watch | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC


>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID

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  1. So the Roosevelt family made America the world leader through wealth redistribution and the Bush family got rid of that in retaliation for the break-up of Standard Oil for J.D.Rockefeller. Bringing down the USA out of spite.

  2. He did convince the brass he wasn't feeling suicidal, he put up a front because he was at peace with ending his life so he acted happy and upbeat

  3. Criminal Justice system not just skewed in favor of Wealthy White Men…. Can anyone say college admissions scandal?

  4. HIS DEATH IS NOT SUICIDE,, THERE IS SOMETHING UNDER IT. IT WILL BE DIFFICUILT TO GET THE TRUTH. WE ARE TALKING OF RICH MEN HERE.

  5. I don't think he's dead but if he is that's a good thing he should have taken the rest of his perverted friends with including trump

  6. MSNBC isn’t it past time you respect real journalists. Stop the corporate rot of our American rights to a free press. Honor the truth of courageous whistleblowers. Your are complicit if you fail to call out government prosecution of people who risk all to expose corruption.
    Now ask yourselves, will MSNBC, CNN, FOX etc be trusted not to further crush independent media. Suppression on YouTube is beyond any excuse..Corruption of our political discourse by yourselves and both political parties is a mindless boring atrocity. The demonstrated ignorance and even bigotry of overpaid “news people” is a despair. We need you to do your real job: DEFEND and protect our constitution, save what’s left of the republic.

  7. Wasn't Melanie 45 wife one of Epstein gurl back in the day. It struck me strange that minuets after (Epstein) died Bar claim he died by suicide. "How did he know?  They are trying to push this under the rug..

  8. In one video it said he had bruises on the back of his legs. And people heard loud shrecking from his cell. Worrisome to me.

  9. If you will NOTICE his clues from before…as he 'rubbed his neck in a specific manner' to give hints that he will be dead…related to his neck…..NY inside hitjob.

  10. All of these men and Ghislaine have to be stopped. The elites once again with their dirty secrets making millions plus, screwing others over. And, no Barr is not to be trusted obviously.

  11. could it be possible he never tried to commit suicide the first time so they could arrange a situation that existed when he died………. if he died

  12. Epstein is alive and his clone got suicided ! I'm not a genius but the guy was s billionaire – how many of those are in prison? Wake up !

  13. Why is it that every talking head avoids mentioning the really bizarre relationship that Bill Barr’s Father has with Epstein ? Barr doesn’t seem like a man who is stupid enough to believe that DJT actually has ANY kind of policy or philosophy besides wanting more power & money. One has to wonder why TRUMP is the hill he’s chosen to die upon…? It just doesn’t make sense.

  14. Oh, paalllease, that pedo is on a yacht with his girlfriend/pimps dad, laugh his head off and thumbing his nose at his victims and our justice system.

  15. spot on but defence attorneys called for it why? was it was the defence, you feel me? check them attorneys to co conspirators was that instructions?

  16. He escaped i think! There is no body? The guards go to sleep for 3 hours? The cellmate was removed before it happened? The camera dind work? somebody got paid off wel or his powerfull friends came to rescue him and did a machiavellian move by claming he commited suicide and we never get to see his dead body because his body was claimed by a unknown person? You gotta be kidding me? 😂 This stinks like your mom''s armpits on a verry hot day!

  17. #FindGhislainMaxwell should be the hashtag of the moment. it is interesting to me that people are still thinking that she's out there hiding, when in fact she could be at the bottom of the East River with cement shoes on. They may never find her.

  18. what documents? have they all not gone Mysteriously missing? n they where all false documents anyway, the "POOR" man died end of story,

  19. Epstein's money has always bought him what he wanted, that was his mindset, his experience, why would that mindset have changed to believe it wouldn't buy his freedom yet again?

  20. If he could manipulate everyone, it doesn’t sound like he had a “suicidal profile.” He could have bargained a plea deal, again. It doesn’t sound believable, the man loved his life and he had too much power….too much information.

  21. I found it odd that when the contributor floated out the “Maxwell could be in a submarine somewhere” theory that it is called “speculation”. When Trump retweets “the Clintons body count” it is called “conspiracy theory”. IMO the Clinton’s being involved is more believable than Epstein committing suicide. And ME reports that indicate cause of death ruled suicide with a bullet to the back of the head…about to testify against [HRC]…this was also after ME “careful consideration” of all evidence. If these investigations were truly honest, there would be no conspiracy theories floating around social media. When the facts don’t add up to the official report, then free thinking people are going to “speculate”.

  22. NO, the prosecutor will not bring the others to justice, that's the way the system is rigged. The story will fade into the dim light just like it did when the original accusations occurred.

  23. how do you know he was ever even in jail? That his arrest was genuine? Its all just a hoax. For sure he is free somewhere now.

  24. This whole sordid story has all the markings of a highly planned military operation. No one can tell me that this was simply a case of multiple unfortunate coincidences. Something definitely smells rotten here. REALLY rotten.

  25. This idea that he finagled his suicide like he squirmed out of punishment in Florida is asinine. Avoiding prison and killing yourself are not comparable deeds.

  26. MSNBC Gets money from people like Epstein. MSNBC is here to help create a narrative.
    Corporate media cannot be trusted.
    They will all be found out soon.

  27. I love how they refer to "conspiracy theories" about what seems to be one of the biggest conspiracies of all time, that has gone far past any imagination. The possibilities of what happened are endless. Just like the possibilities of what happened to countless victims night after night for only God know how long with high powered pedophiles are endless. Pedophiles who happen to be in very high places have a way to ensure that there was no way out. Well, money buys lots of things like silence and elaborately planned disappearances for those who are cowards and not powerful enough to admit the crimes that they have committed against humanity, in more ways than one. They get to escape. Or so they think. As things unfold, there will be more and more people "dying" or "disappearing" either in hiding or for talking. Let's never forget that the Karma Cafe always has open tables and it doesn't matter who you are or how much money you may have, you WILL be seated and served.

  28. I don't believe he's dead period he was definately rich enough for a face lift identity change and money to escape him prison time.
    They got paid to ship him to another country and he's under surgical face change and he's free and still escaped being charged.
    You know those money hungry rich got to that money . Epstein brother is not gonna get nothing because next they gonna say all his money was hacked after his death. Game games to pay to play power game.

  29. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Jeffrey's suicide was completely staged, someone with that kind of money and connection will never do that. Plus Barr did not go to visit him he was ordered to see him by Jeffrey himself. So this way he can ask all his conditions prior to his suicide project. It is impossible for two guards to fall asleep for three hours, each guard has a electronic baton which has to record all the areas which they are designated to monitor, if those batons are not returned to download their zone recordings by a specific time there will be alarms sounding which means (officers down). And therefore if it's not a regular time the whole facility will be on a lockdown subsequently that cannot happen for three hours. I believe by now Jeffrey has a new identity and a complete plastic surgery which is living somewhere in South America.

  30. Thyoid bone breaks in less than 1% of hangings. Media covers up the fact
    Epstein told his lawyers his cell mate (killer cop) strangled him the
    first time. This guest is a liar or grossly uniformed. A conspiracy
    theorist is a patriot who dares question the news media monopoly. Government media control is the #1 biggest problem in USA today.

  31. The suicide watch cancelled, the cellmate removed, the guards negligent and faking; all signs that the prison was looking the other way. So suicide or murder, Epstein did not act alone. This by definition is conspiracy. But forensics can say no more. We cannot tell who was in on Epstein's death; there are too many logical suspects.

  32. His lawyers reportedly (N.Y. Times) took him off suicide watch and it was also his lawyers (Dershowitz/Starr among others) who requested Dr. Michael Baden to oversee the autopsy. Fishy

  33. His valet didnt drive him, his russian bodyguard trainer drove him and lived at aplm beach with him for 5 years or so

  34. This is INCRIMINATING of our Criminal Justice System.
    One of the MOST NOTORIOUS Prisoners EVER…and we REALLY DON'T KNOW what happened to him. Not really…
    But as for ALL those OTHER SLIME BAGS, #PEDOPREDATORS –
    I hope the CIVIL CASES GET 'EM, and THAT MEANS, YOU TOO #BILLCLINTON!!!
    I am FURIOUS at this INEPTITUDE (and CORRUPTION, TOO) in our Criminal Justice Sys, FBI, Gov't, as a whole !!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Casey all missing it this is bigger than just the president. Y'all keep crying Clinton! Trump! This goes to the very core. we're talking CEOs, were talking foreign dignitaries, were talking wealthy motherfukers in every spectrum you can imagine. This was how they threw entertainment for business deals. Show your client a good time. Give Espstien a call!

  36. When Mainstream Media is involved you know there is some cover up or agenda to dtract from the subject….which is beyond Epstein but all that he catered for!
    This woman is lying trying to make Epstein look like he organised his own ''HIT''

  37. if a person loses face as badly as epstein did, and gets the suicide watch pulled off, then he is able to end his life, it's so easy to see he did this, and all the money in the world can't fix his life, he'd rather take the suicide way out that go through court and live in prison the rest of his days, he's a billions used to a specific lifestyle and he knew he couldn't deal with prison life, there's no way he could get out of it, money isn't going to always help you find a way to get out of this

  38. Monster Island.Even trying to imagine what these LowLifes Done to young innocent children is Beyond Words.They deserve Capital Punishment.Heads must Roll.But Just like 9/11 These vermin will never spend a day Inside

  39. Epstein was NOT the body on that gurney. I think it was Tony Rodham, Hillary’s brother who conveniently died in June — Epstein had to have had a way out planned after his first arrest, and obviously the Clinton’s were happy to oblige. The Clinton’s even said how much the two looked alike.

  40. GIVE GUARDS SOME CREDIT, PEOPLE. WE ALL NEED JOBS AND EVERYONE WANTS A JOB AT MCC, BUT ONLY A CAREFULLY HANDPICKED FEW CAN SLEEP SO MANY HOURS.
    OH, AND WE ARE PAYING THEIR SALARIES–AWAKE OR ASLEEP.

  41. Ghislaine Maxwell was seen some days ago in L.A. https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epsteins-gal-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-spotted-at-in-n-out-burger-in-first-photos-since-his-death/

  42. We all expected the death. He had to be killed. Child trafficking is a billion dollar business! Way too many elites stood to go down the rabbit hole.

  43. She was sitting in a burger place in San Fran. this week. And a picture was taken of her but a man and it was posted in the celebrity section. Wonder if the FBI saw it? G Maxwell shut down the Ocean Foundation!

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