Johnson: DACA dreamers need ‘humane’ solution


[CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY WISN-TV] [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, WHICH IS RESPONSIBrtLE FOR ITS CAPTION CONTENT AND ACCURACY. VISIT NCICAP.ORG] MIKE: TODAY ON “UPFRONT,” A DACA DEAL? PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKS TO DEMOCRATS ABOUT PROTECTING YOUNG DREAMERS. NEXT ON “UPFRONT,” I’LL ASK SENATOR RON JOHNSON ABOUT A DACA DEAL, AND WHETHER HE’D BACK Art PLAN TO LET THE DREAMERS STAY. PLUS, TAX REFORM. JOHNSON ON WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PLAN COULD LOOK LIKE. THEN, WHAT’S NEXT FOR ASSEMBLY DEMOCRATS. rt WHY A POTENTIAL NEW LEADER SAYS THE CAUCUS NEEDS NEW ENERGY.>>COVERING THE ISSUES IMPORrtTANT TO WISCONSIN. THIS IS “UPFRONT WITH MIKE GOUSHA.” MIKE: HELLO, AGAIN, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO “UPFRONT.”rt DEAL OR NO DEAL? PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PURSUING A BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT WITH DEMOCRATS TO PROTECT YOUNG IMMIGRANTS ILLEGALLY BROUGHT TO THIS COUNTRY AS CHILDREN. rt IT’S NOT CLEAR THAT A DEAL ON DACA, AS IT’S KNOWN, HAS BEEN OR WILL BE REACHED, BUT IT COMES AT THE START OF WHAT’S EXPECTED TO BE A BUSY FALL ON CAPITOL HILL WHEN REPUBLICANS HOPrtE TO MOVE ON TO THEIR PRIORITY ISSUE OF NATIONAL TAX REFORM. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS TODAY WITH WISCONSIN’ REPUBLICAN U.S. SENATOR, RON JOHNSON. rt IT’S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK. SEN. JOHNSON: IT’S GOOD TO BE BACK. MIKE: LET’S TALK ABOUTrt DAC. YOU COMFORTABLE PRESIDENT TRUMP NEGOTIATING WITH CHUCK SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI? SEN. JOHNSON: ABSOLUTELY. rtWERE TALKING TO THEM. IT’S A GOOD THING. I COME FROM THE BUSINESS WORLD, HENRY TO SUCCEED, YOU HAVE TO TENACIOUSLY PURSUE WHAT YOU WANT. rtPOLITICS PEOPLE EXPLOIT BUSINESS — DIFFERENCES. HE REALIZES THAT WII U CONSOLE’S THINGS IS rtYOU HAVE TO FIND AGREEMENT. YOU MIGHT SEE IND AND IN CHINA MOMENTS, WHERE PRESIDENT TRUMP RUNNING ON A PLATFORM COMMITTED TO SECURE THErt BORDER, THE PERFECT GUY TO REACH OUT TO THE OTHER SIDE AND SAY YOU WANT TO FIX TH MESS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA CREATED BY HIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL DOCTORrt ORDER — DACA ORDER, WE WILL COME TO THE TABLE AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE TREAT THE DREAMERS WITH HUMANITY. WE HAVE TO FIX THE BROKEN rtIMMIGRATION SYSTEM. I THINK IT CAN BE A CATALYST FOR FIXING THE PROBLEM. MIKE: HOW WOULD YOU TREAT THE DREAMERS WITH HUMANITY? rtWHAT DID YOU SUPPORT AS PART OF A LEGISLATIVE AGREEMENT? SEN. JOHNSON: SINCE I’VE YET TO HAVE AN IMMIGRANT COME Trt ME AND SAY THEY WANT CITIZENSHIP. THEY WANT SUPPORT THEIR MOM AND DAD ARE HUSBAND AND WIFE. I DON’rtT THINK WE HAVE TO OFFER CITIZENSHIP, BUT SOME FOR LEGAL STATUS. THEY CAME HERE FOR CHILDREN, THROUGH THE FAULT OF THEIR OWN. rtWE WILL TREAT THOS INDIVIDUALS WITH HUMANITY, BUT WE HAVE TO SErtCURE THE BORDER FOR A HOST OF REASONS. THE DRUG PROBLEM, HOMELAND SECURITY. WE FINALLY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION COMMITTED TO DO SO, WHICH IS THE FrtIRST STEP. I THINK AMERICA WILL HE ROLL SUPPORT TO TREAT THOSE FOLKS WITH UNITED. MIKE WOULD YOU BE OKrt I THERE WAS NO FUNDING FOR A WHILE RIGHT NOW? SEN. JOHNSON: I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE WALL WAS A METAPHORrt FOR SECURING THE BORDER. WE DO NEED BETTER BARRIERS AND MAYBE SOME WALLS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TECHNOLOGY AND GREATER MANPOWER. WHEN YOU BECOME SECURE THE rtBORDER — WE NEED THE COMMITMENT TO SECURE THE BORDER. THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPORTED Art FULL REFORM BILL. YOU HAVE TO SECURE THE BORDER. MIKE: IN THE PA WEEKS, YOU AND OTHER SENATORS INTRODUCED YOUR OWN FORM OF HEALTHrt CARE LEGISLATION THAT WOU, AS YOU DESCRIBED IT, REPLACE THE ARCHITECTURE OF A LONELY HERE YOU DO THAT BY GIVING STATESrt BLOCK GRANTS TO DEVISE THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS. IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT’S GOING TO BE TAKEN UP BY CONGRESS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS? ANY CHANCE OFrt PASSAGE? SEN. JOHNSON: THERE’S A VERY GOOD CHANCE. I’VE BEEN ON THE PHONE ALL DAY LONG TALKING TO COLLEAGUES. BRINrtG SUPPORT TO GOVERNOR WALKER, SPEAKER RYAN, IT’S JUST GAINING SUPPORT BECAUSE IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. IT WOULD TAKE THE SPENDING OF OBAMACARE, NOT REDUCE IT BYrt MUCH AND BLOCK GRANTS THAT TO STATES. THERE ARE THREE STATES, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, AND MASSACHUSETTS, OVER 20% OF THE POPULATION TO GET VERYrt PRESENT — 37% OF OBAMACARE FUNDING. IN A LOT OF STATES LIKE WISCONSIN ARE REALLY DISADVANTAGED. THIS BILL BLOCKS GRANTSrt THAT TO STATES TO INCREASE EQUITY. IT GIVES GOVERNORS GREATER FLEXIBILITY. I THINK THE GOVERNORS AND STATE LEGISLATURES WON’rtT FORGET THE FORGOTTEN MEN AND WOMEN. THE FOLKS BILL CLINTON TALKED ABOUT, THEIR PREMIUMS OF DOUBLED UNDER COVERAGES CUT IN HALF. THAT’S A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL rtPROGRAM GOVERNED OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT HAS FORGOTTEN THOSE MEN AND WOMEN. I THINK STATES WILL DO A BETTER JOB. MIKE: HOW CLOSE WILL YOUrt BE TO HAVING THE MOST IN NEED AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT RAN PAUL? SEN. JOHNSON: ONCE WErt ARE DOWN TO THE LAST COUPLE — ARE YOU CLOSE — MIKE: ARE YOU CLOSE? SEN. JOHNSON:rt 33 OR FOUR WHO ARE ON THE FENCE. THE DECISION WILL BE ARE YOU NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT FEDERALISM? ARE YOU REALLY WILLING TO VOTE NO AND BASICALLY VOTE YES TO OBrtAMACARE LONG-TERM? I THINK THAT WOULD B A TOUGH VOTE FOR COLLEAGUES WHO ALWAYS PROMISE THEIR VOTERS THEY WOULD REPEAL OBAMACARE. MIKE:rt THIS IS THE LAST BEST HOPE FOR REPEALING OBAMACARE? SEN. JOHNSON WE DO WANT TO USE THE NEXT BUDGET RECONCILIATION TO Trt REFORM AND START GROWING OUR ECONOMY. MIKE: LET’S TALK ABOUT TAX REFORM. YOU ARE A DEFICIT HAWK, THE NATION’S DEBT AND OUR DEFICIT. rtCAN YOU SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT MIGHT AT LEAST INITIALLY RAISE THE DEBT OR DEFICIT? SEN. JOHNSONrt THE NUMBER ONE COMPONENT OF SOLUTION, IS ECONOMIC GROWTH. ONE OF THE COMPONENTS TO A GROWIN ECONOMYrt, AFTER REDUCING THE REGULATORY BURDEN, IS HAVING A COMPETITIVE TAX STRUCTURE. OURS IS NOT COMPETITIVE. WE NEEDrt PROGROWTH TAX REFORM, THE WHOLE GOAL OF SCORING THE TA PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A REVENUE LOSS SCORING A SCATTERED BASIS — STATIC BASIS. rtAND HOPEFULY THAT’S MADE UP FOR BY DYNAMIC GROWTH. IF WE GO FROM 1% GROWT, FROM 2% 3%, THAT’S $14rt TRILLION OF THAT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT WOU PUT TWO TRILLION DOLLARS TO $3 TRILLION INTO THE FEDERAL COFFERS. THAT WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE UP FOR AN ACCOUNT STATIrtC REVENUE LOSS. IS ALL ABOUT DYNAMIC SCORING AND ABOUT HAVING THE TAX REFORM PROPOSAL THAT WILL PROMOTE ECONOMIC GROWTH. rtTHAT’S HOW YOU AND WAGES STAGFLATION AS WELL. GROW THE ECONOMY AND BUSINESSES START HUMMING ALONG AND THEY WILL HAVE THE FUNDS. MIKE:rt PEOPLE WONDER IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A TAX-CUT PROPOSAL WORTH IT WILL GENERALLY BE TAX REFORM. SEN. JOHNSON: I WOULD LIKE TO BE TALKINGrt ABOUT TAXES OF LOCATION AND RATIONALIZATION. THEY’RE GOING TO BE RATE CUTS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE. MIKE: FOR EVERYONE? SEN. JOHNSON:rt CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF BUSINESS TAXES. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PRETTY COMMITTED TO MIDDLESEX — MIDDLE-CLASS TAX CUT AS WELL. I DON’Trt KNOW HOW IT ALL COMES OUT OF THE WASH. MY HAVE MY OWN IDEAS. JUST LIKE IN HEALTH CARE, NOT GOING TO MAKE THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD. I WILL DO WHATEVER TAX REFORM rtPROPOSAL LETS ON THE FLOOR BEFORE ME VOTE, IS IT GOING TO BE PROGROWTH AND PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION? MIKE:rt ON THE ISSUE OF HOW WE PAY FOR THIS, REPUBLICANS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN REPUBLICAN — RELUCTANT TO RAISE TAXES ON THE WEALTHYrt AND HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO GET RID OF SOMETHING LIKE THE MORTGAGE INTEREST INDUCTION. DO THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE ON THE TABLE? SEN. JOHNSON IF YOU START TALKINGrt ABOUT BROADENING THE BASE, TAKING AWAY SOME OF THESE DEDUCTIONS, THAT’S IN EXCHANGE FOR LOWERING RATES. rtYOU JUST RATIONALIZE THE TAXES TO HIM. FROM MY STANDPOINT ON THE INDIVIDUAL BASIS, THIS IS WHAT I’M PROPOSING. JUST MAKE IT OPTIONAL. IF YOU LIKE YOUR TAX PREFERENCE, BE MY GUEST. rtKEEP COMPLYING WITH 70,000 PAGES OF MINDNUMBING TAX CODE, OR CHOOSE THIS. rtTHAT’S MY IDEA ON THE INDIVIDUAL TAX. ON THE BUSINESS TAX SIDE I WOULD TREAT ALL BUSINESSES EQUALLY. MAKES SEErt CORPSE, MAKE THE OWNERS PAY THE TAX ON CORPORATE INCOME. 81% OF BUSINESSES ARE TAXED LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE A TRUE WARREN BUFFETT TAX. rtYOU START TAXING BUSINESS INCOME AT PROGRESSIVE INDIVIDUA RATES — I’M GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF WHATEVER THE HOUSE, SENATE, AND WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO PUTrt TOGETHER. MIKE: YOU’RE GOING TO GET IT DONE? SEN. JOHNSON I BELIEVE SO. PARTICULARLY THE SUCCESS WE HAD WITH HEALTH CARE, I HOPE YOU rtWILL — THE LACK OF SUCCESS WE HAD WITH HEALTH CARE, BUT I HOPE WE WILL HAVE SUCCESS IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. MIKErt SENATOR RON JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE PROGRAM. WE’RE MAKING MY ENTIRE INTERVIEW WITH SENATOR JOHNSON AVAILABLE ON OUR WEB SITE, THE “UPFRONT” SECTION OF WISN.COM. WE’RE DISCUSSING THE U.S. RESPONSE TO NORTH KOREA. YOU’LL FINDrt THAT ON THE “UPFRONT” SECTION OF WISN.COM. COMING UP, A CLOSER LOOK AT WISCONSIN’S 2018 U.S. SENATE RACE, AND WHY A RESPECTED PUNDIT RATES IT “LEAN DEMOCRAT.” BUT FIRST, ASSEMBLY DEMOCRATS’rt LEADERSHIP SHAKE UP. I’LL ASK STATE REPRESENTATIVE GORDON HINTZ HOW HE’D LEAD T CAUCUS. THAT’S WHEN “UPFRONT” CONTINUES.rt

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