Enyi Asonye Interview


– [Carson] This is Carson
Dudick, interviewing Enyi Asonye, On July 1st, in Fondren Library for the voices of SMU
Oral History project. Okay, so let’s start with your childhood. When and where were you born? – I was born in Chicago. January 22, 1996. – [Carson] And what was
your neighborhood like? – It was a decent neighborhood. It’s this place called Little Italy. It was somewhat diverse. So we had Indian families near us, Italian families, Asian families, just a nice mix. There was a little bit of
crime when I was younger, and that kind of phased
out as I got older. – [Carson] So, will you
tell me about your family? – So, I’m a first generation American. Both my parents were born
and raised in Nigeria. They came to America in the 80’s. My dad came, stayed with his cousin, because he had done
medical school in Nigeria and wanted to specialize in America. So, he went to pediatrics first and then switched over to anesthesiology. Then, my mom, also stayed with her family, end up going to college here in America, and then ended up becoming an accountant before she pursued some other degrees. And now, she’s just graduated
from pharmacy school. So, me and her graduated at the same time. In terms of how my
family is, I don’t know. It’s definitely an interesting experience being a first generation American because I was kind of caught
between American values as well as Nigerian ones. I was very well versed in both, but my family isn’t that good at things that are more American. People that I knew, especially
my girlfriend Ashley, were more well-versed in American values, so I had to be in between,
translating those things. – [Carson] Did your
parents meet in Chicago? – Yeah, they did.
– [Carson] Yeah. So, do you have any siblings? – Yeah, I have three. Two brothers and a sister. – [Carson] Where do you lie? – I am the oldest. – [Carson] Oh okay, do you like it? – Yeah, it’s pretty good,
although there’s always the pressure of parenting your siblings. – [Carson] Are you guys really close? – Yeah, yeah. I was-
– [Carson] Even growing up? – Yeah, we usually, you know, sometimes, not always, but siblings
versus the parents because all four of us, born
in America, and what not, we had a lot of different
opinions than our parents. We usually relied on each other to boost each other up when
it came to stuff like that. – [Carson] So, did they all go to college? – One of them did not. He’s more interested in music right now. And he didn’t really feel
like school was for him. So, he’s been working on his music career. My other brother is at Amherst right now. He’s is in the second
semester of his freshman year. And my sister’s gonna be a senior in high school in the fall. – [Carson] Okay, that’s cool. So what did a normal day at home look like for you when you were living…? – It was, I would say,
back like maybe I guess high school, usually
like in the winter I’d be woken up abruptly out of
sleep around 6:00 a.m. to go clean the cars. In Chicago, you know, it gets pretty cold. So, even in sub-zero temperatures,
just clean the cars off. Came back in. Didn’t really have time to sleep anymore. Oh, I guess I should mention
that I had a big family. It was me and my three
siblings, my two parents and three of my grandparents
that lived with us, in a four bedroom house. So I shared a room with
my grandma and my brother. My grandma doesn’t really speak English, so every day she would wake
me up at like 5:00 a.m., asking me if I need to
get ready for school yet. And I was like, every
single morning, I was like, “It’s not time yet.” “I want to go back to
sleep.” And she would wake me up every 30 minutes. And then I finally go to school. Usually I skipped breakfast,
because I didn’t have time, because I woke up too late,
or got ready too late. Go to school; come back. Usually, procrastinated on my homework. My family is more of like
a group of, I don’t know, we’re pretty independent. I talk to my friends, and they would talk about family dinners, and that wasn’t really a thing at home. And so, usually my
grandma would make dinner. And we would at different
times start eating in separate areas– not separate areas, but we all couldn’t fit
at one dining table. So my dad might be in
the living room, eating. My mom might be upstairs
because she’s studying at the same time,
because she was in school for a lot of the time
when I was growing up. My grandma and me and my
siblings might be at one table. And my other grandma would
be at a different table, and stuff like that. And, maybe I’d start my
homework at like 10:00. It’s kinda like just cycle like that. – [Carson] Were you involved in any clubs or anything in high school? – A little bit. I was in track, freshman year, and then sophomore year,
my grades started to dip, and my parents yanked me out of track. And by the time I was
ready to be involved again I was not really into it anymore. Played a lot of piano growing up. My parents signed me up for piano lessons starting when I was four and a half, and I went all the way to
like right before college. So that was another
thing I was involved in that I didn’t necessarily like a lot, but I had to do it. – [Carson] Did you
continue that in college? – No, not at all. – [Carson] Yeah. So how would you describe race relations in your neighborhood
and in your high school? – I would say they were pretty
good in my neighborhood. If there were any issues, I was definitely shielded from that. Most of the families kinda kept
to themselves a little bit. We knew who our neighbors were, but… we never ran into any issues with them. Some of us as kids would play together, and there was never any
issues as far as I could tell. So that’s definitely something that I appreciated growing up. In high school, I went
to a Catholic high school so definitely, like in
terms of the diversity, there wasn’t a whole lot. There was definitely
though, I found my group with a mixed group of kids. I had friends who were
from India, Togo. There was one who was Chinese, black
friends, white friends — there was just a mix. If there were any issues,
even in high school, that’s something that I
personally didn’t notice, but as I was getting
older, a lot of my friends that I would talk to kind of felt — Talked about how they
didn’t really feel welcome at my high school. I could, looking deeper
in, can kinda see how certain groups weren’t necessarily valued. We didn’t really learn much
about LGBT problems at all. It wasn’t something that I ever felt negative towards that group, but I never learned anything, and
so I wasn’t as conscious about stuff like that. – [Carson] Do you think it was because of the Catholic high school? – Probably, yeah. ‘Cause I had friends,
like multiple friends who ended up coming out after high school. I can see how they didn’t feel comfortable to do that prior. I think I kind of flew
under the radar as I would go to school, see my friends,
hang out with my friends, and just go right back,
and so stuff like that I wasn’t exposed to. – [Carson] So, would you
say that your high school prepared you for going into college? – To a degree. I think we all struggle with that initial transition to college
because you go from people hounding you about your
work to having to be responsible for that yourself. But I definitely felt a degree prepared. – [Carson] Like academically? – Yeah – [Carson] Yeah. What prompted you to
choose SMU from Chicago? – Ah, that’s an interesting question. When I was in seventh grade,
well when I was younger, my parents signed me up for
these early outreach classes. And essentially they
were classes for children of color to accelerate them. So we were learning math beyond what we were supposed to know. We had reading classes. And one time, apparently,
she was talking to some of the parents and
mentioned that there’s this program that was kind of like a pipeline from seventh grade to medical school. And without telling me, my
mom signed me up for it. And let me know that I was
going to be there that summer. I was really upset about it. Didn’t wanna go. Because I thought I’d be
throwing my whole summer away. It’s called Physician
Scientist Training Program. I went my first summer in seventh grade and we came to SMU campus
and stayed at the Shuttles. And essentially met students of color, taught us different sciences. We had a lab session with them. We learned statistics. And while I didn’t necessarily
love the course material, itself, I did come to love
the people I met there. And it became… it was
the best summer I ever had. And I kept on going back
every single summer. So eighth grade, I was back at
SMU again for the same thing. Ninth and tenth grade I
was at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine,
interning in their labs. Eleventh grade I worked at
NIH in Bethesda Maryland. Twelfth grade I worked at UT
Southwestern as an intern. And then my freshman year of college, went to Vancouver to internal labs. And then sprinkled in
between that, especially when we were at college, our
director of the program would take us on trips. So he took us to New Orleans, Puerto Rico, some other places. – [Carson] Really? – Yeah! And so by senior year of
high school, we were given the option to continue the program at SMU or go off on our own to college. For me I didn’t really have a
college that I really wanted, and I knew if I came to SMU,
I’d have a group of people I already knew, because there
were older people at SMU who already went to… in that program. There were gonna be, I think
13 other people in my class there would be going there. There was going to be paid study hall. We’d get like $200 a month if we showed up to study hall every day. There would be tutors for
Biology, Chemistry and Physics. Just more opportunities like that. And so for me it was a no-brainer because at that time I wanted
to go to medical school. So I felt that since GPA is so important to get into medical school,
that something like this would be really helpful for me. So I joined, came to SMU
and as school went on, most of us dropped out of pre-med. I personally dropped
out because I realized I didn’t wanna do it anymore. I thought about my dad
who worked really terrible hours, and I wanted something that gave me more of a work life balance. So I ended up switching
to computer science, but that’s how I somehow ended up at SMU. – [Carson] That’s crazy! So, as a child you wanted to be a doctor. – Eh, more pressure–
like kinda set up for that in my life, and I accepted
it as my own idea. It wasn’t ’til later on
that I realized that’s not what I wanted to do. – [Carson] So did you
know of any reputation outside of that program about SMU? – No, not at all. – [Carson] Did you have any
expectations coming into SMU? – Not necessarily. I guess, the closer it
got to it, I knew about the demographic of the school. But what helped me not
worry about that as much was the fact that I was gonna know a group of people going in, and
so it provided almost like a buffer for me going in. So then, any kind of culture
shock wouldn’t have been as big, although there were
some of us where that was an issue for them and they ended
up transferring out of SMU. – [Carson] What years did you attend SMU? – From 2014 to 2019. – [Carson] How welcoming was the school when you first arrived? – I thought it was decently welcoming. It’s actually funny, because at AARO, I was one of the– It wasn’t AARO, I think, it
was the first orientation days. – [Carson] Like Camp Corral? – Yeah, there’s Corral. And there was one that was at SMU first before I went to Corral. I think it was AARO.
– [Carson] Yep, it was AARO. – There were very, very
few students of color, and that was like the first shock I got. I was like, “Oh this is very different.” And none of my other friends
that were coming to SMU were in that specific session with me. So I felt kind of like — not necessarily isolated, but
very nervous, a little bit. So one of my friends I’m still with now — His name is Deangelo Gardner. I don’t know if you ever heard of him, but
he was one of the few other black people at AARO and
me and him saw each other and made a bee line and
started talking with each other about coming to SMU,
what brought us there. Actually just saw him
a couple of days ago. We’ll always reminisce on that story. – [Carson] Did you live on campus? – Yeah, for four years. – [Carson] All four years? – Well, my fifth year I moved off campus. – [Carson] Did you have any roommates? – Yeah. My first two years I lived
with this guy named Ryan Walsh. He was really cool! He was super open. We had a small group of
friends at Crum Commons. And then my last two years
that I was on campus, I lived at a multi-cultural Greek house. – [Carson] Did you like all of it? – Crum was okay. I liked it just ’cause, I mean, those are brand new dorms and I had friends there. But I was just so shocked by how people didn’t really respect the area. ‘Cause that’s something
that I grew up, like, you wouldn’t destroy the
place that you lived in. And people were like tearing
the doors off the stalls, stealing shower heads,
punching holes in walls. And I was like, “I
don’t really like that.” – [Carson] Okay, so was the
Greek house good, though? Did you like the house? – Yeah because my sophomore
year I joined Sigma Lamda Beta. It was one of the
multi-cultural fraternities. They had a house on campus, and I decided I wanted to move into that. Just because like, It was
a new group of friends I was introduced to. It was a group of people I really liked. It was a really diverse group. And the house was, I felt,
probably the next best step for me where I wanted to live. – [Carson] Did you have
a roommate in the house? – Yeah, his hame was Anthony. He was also in PSTP with me. So I’d known him since seventh grade, and it was a no-brainer for me. – [Carson] Were you involved in any clubs while you were here? – Yeah. I was in Voices of Inspiration
my first two years. It was a gospel choir, primarily people of color in that one. But we did have white
people, Asian people, everybody in that group. It ended up disbanding
my junior year, I think. Because the best singers
and the people who kinda kept the group going graduated. So it was kinda hard to keep
the same steam afterwards. What else was I involved in? – [Carson] The National Society… – Black Engineers, yes. So when I just got into Engineering, my “Big” in my fraternity,
he was a mechanical engineer. And he encouraged me, ’cause
he was president of N.S.B.E at that time, to join. I was kinda reluctant just
because I didn’t feel like being super involved and it
was a really small group. So I knew that I was going to have to take up leadership roles. But he convinced me just
because I didn’t know anything about engineering. I came in as a regular member, and then the following
semester, when they started the elections I became Secretary, then Vice President, then
President in my last year. – [Carson] Did you like it? – Yeah I did like it. I met a great group of people. It definitely prepared me
a lot for the engineering world, because there was
a lot of stuff I didn’t know I needed to do. I didn’t know about LinkedIn. I didn’t know about
having a– I had a resume from when I was at PSTP, but
it was like 14 pages long. I didn’t know how I was supposed to do it. So I didn’t know you
need a well-made resume. I didn’t know about networking at all, and how much that could do for you. So being able to do
that, and just the access that that group gave me just
was really, really beneficial. – [Carson] Was your
social life based on that or was it more based on the fraternity? – Definitely fraternity, yeah. – [Carson] So what was your
social life like all four years? Did you change friends or…? – Yeah, I changed friends a bit. I’d say my first two
years it was mainly those people at my dorm and
then my PSTP friends, and then once I joined
the fraternity it became still my PSTP friends and sometimes some of the people from my dorm. And then it was just this
new group of the people involved in the
multi-cultural Greek council. ‘Cause there’s also a sorority that was associated with us. And that’s how I actually met Ashley. And so that became my
primary group of friends. – [Carson] Could you
walk me through a typical day as a student here? – Yeah, I guess they’re all different over the course of different years. – [Carson] I mean ones from
earlier and ones from later. – Okay. I guess freshman and sophomore year are pretty much the same. Usually just wake up
dreading going to class because I hated all of my pre-med classes. So usually I didn’t really
study for anything I had to do. I stayed up late playing
games with my roommate, and then go to class and
zone out the entire time. Sometimes take some notes and then cram for all the tests that I had. Usually, then after that I would find friends to eat food with. I’d like text people or just meet up with my roommate, go get lunch together. Studying, because we had
study hall back then for PSTP, and so that’d be like every evening. I would go there, and that would be time I spent with my PSTP friends. We’d all get dinner
togeth– well chunks of us would get dinner together afterwards. And then we’d — back when
I was way more involved as a freshman, so we would
find out the free events that were happening that
night and just go to those, just because like, too young
to technically legally party. Programs council would throw stuff, and so we’d go to their events. When Chance the Rapper came, went to that. That was before a lot of
people knew who he was, so it was not that great of a turn out, but I had a lot of fun. Had a lot of stuff like that. After joining the fraternity,
I’d say a lot of my time went towards spending
time with those people, especially when I moved into the house. Then it was like a group of solely people that I knew that were friends with. So spent a lot of time messing around. We would just mess around. We’d like get dinner together. I became more of a homebody,
I think, at that time. We spent a lot of time in that space. Got involved in like the kind of stuff that our fraternity put on. I’d help out with our showcase stuff, where we were like performing and whatnot, and I became heavily involved in that aspect of the fraternity. I’d say towards senior
year, I got way jaded, because most of my friends graduated and I was doing my extra year. So I just became super
detached from school, to the point where I, you
know, would be in my apartment, come to school, go to my classes, and immediately go back home again. Sometimes I would stay
at the house that we had. The multi-cultural Greek
house, just to like hang out with some of the people
that were still there. But even that I started to
do a little bit less often just because there was someone who was like the ring-leader of
kinda ostracizing people who didn’t live there and that annoyed me, because for me, for instance
if you heard someone knock on the door, they
would say, “Not my guest.” They’d kinda just go on about their lives. And for me I’m like, “You
know for a fact that” “that’s someone you know,
and you’re ignoring them.” So when that started to
happen to me, I was like, “Okay I don’t really wanna come anymore.” Yeah, I spent a lot of my last year just biding my time waiting
for school to be over. – [Carson] Are you still
friends with the guys that you lived in the house
with while you were there? – Oh yeah, definitely. I still see them really often. We have a “group me” that we talk in. – [Carson] What was your
most memorable experience as a student at SMU? – Let’s see. I would definitely say that
semester that I joined. Because Greek life was a
super foreign concept to me. Freshman year I went to
an event, not knowing that it was a recruitment
event for Kappa Sig, and I thought it was just free paintball, and that they were just being really nice. And then at the end of it,
they were like, “Oh yeah” “Are you interested in joining?” I was like, “I don’t
know what Greek life is.” “I don’t wanna be a part of it.” ‘Cause all I knew was Stomp the Yard and stereotypical movies
and stuff like that. It wasn’t until people I knew really well started joining Sigma Lambda Beta that it piqued my interest. That semester, fall
semester sophomore year, was when I decided to join. It was a completely new experience for me, and I’d say that that
semester’s memorable for me. – [Carson] Did you ever
participate in group projects for mechanical engineering? – Ah, I was computer science. – [Carson] Oh, computer
science would make more sense. – Yeah I did. – [Carson] How did you
feel? Did you like it? – Yeah, I thought it was a
good way of preparing you for working on teams. I didn’t necessarily love
it –just because I’m used to doing my own work and being in control of everything that I’m working on. But in a group project, you
kinda trust and let other people do their parts, and so
I appreciated that part of it. – [Carson] Did you feel like there was a lot of diversity in
the computer science? – Not at all. – [Carson] No? – To a degree. In my graduating class
for computer science it was me, Santo, Samantha…
I think there were four or five black people in our entire class for computer science. Hispanic people, I think there
were around that same amount if not a little bit more. And then there were a lot of Asian people, a lot of white people. So it was… there were
other people of color, but yeah, it was very
dominated by, I say primarily white men, which didn’t
necessarily — wasn’t an issue. I knew I was at SMU, so I knew
that was gonna be the case. But that was my observation of
the computer science school. – [Carson] Did you feel like
it was kind of a culture shock going into that,
or were you expecting it? – I was expecting it. I guess I was lucky that in
high school it was a similar-ish demographic, but I found my
niche within that demographic. And then at SMU, I managed
to do the same thing, where I already found my
niche and found my friends. So while I was at computer
science, I managed to find a couple more friends. I tend to make friends
with a somewhat diverse group of people within
the engineering school. But having that group to fall back on made the culture shock less of an issue for me. – [Carson] Do you feel
like you had any mentors while you were at SMU? – Yeah, I would say my “Big”
essentially in the last three years of my career at
SMU heavily helped me out in figuring my life out. – [Carson] How well do you
feel like the black community is represented as a whole at SMU? – I don’t know. That’s a tough question. I’d say, I guess not a crazy amount, but there are ways I guess somewhat help. There’s the black excellence
ball that we have. We have the groups for black students. Homecoming, they kinda do their own thing, but I don’t know. It’s a different situation
because there are examples where students of color
were kind of brushed aside. And that wasn’t really addressed properly, and so stuff like that’s
kinda rubbed me the wrong way. – [Carson] Did you ever take action at the multi-cultural affairs office? Did you feel like there was
resources there for you? – Actually wasn’t super involved in that. I guess that’s something I
probably should have done more. – [Carson] Did you feel
like you were treated by everybody similarly as all
other students in your major? Like you didn’t feel like you
felt different or anything? – No I didn’t feel any different. – [Carson] Who do you think
gave you the most support? Do you think it was your “Big?” – Yeah, definitely. – [Carson] Is there anything
else that helped you in your journey at SMU? – I’d say that those groups that I found were a huge help. I feel like if I’d come
here without that initial group of friends, I don’t
know how long I would have lasted at SMU. Maybe if I joined the fraternity,
that would have helped. If I had done that sooner. But I think that without
those two factors, I either would’ve
transferred out or just been really withdrawn at school. – [Carson] Is there anything
that you believe that students, faculty or
administration should be doing to increase diversity on campus? – Well that’s tough, just
because it’s an expensive school. For a lot of people coming here means taking out a bunch of loans. I was fortunate enough,
that I got scholarships through my program and
from SMU that helped me get the cost enough to where
my parents could afford it. And then that kind of fell
apart in the last year. So I ended up taking loans
for the last semester, which, granted I’m extremely lucky compared to a lot of people. But for some, taking
on that much debt prior to even getting a job
is a very tough thing to come to terms with. And so — I think — I’m sure that SMU does reach
out to various communities. And I’ve heard that Texas has
certain scholarship programs where if you place within a certain percentage of your class,
that you end up getting automatic admission or scholarships to a lot of different schools. But I feel like things
like that that would make the school more feasible for
students of color to attend would really help out,
just because it’s hard to justify coming here when
you’re gonna feel that you’re one, hugely a minority, and
two that you have to take on a bunch of debt to come here. So, without real good reason, there’s not a huge incentive for a lot of people to come here. – [Carson] As you
reflect back on your time at SMU, do you feel good about it? – I would say, yeah. Just because I had those
support groups to help out. There are definitely things
that rub me the wrong way. For instance, the
multi-cultural Greek house that we’ve had for long
before I came to SMU is getting torn down and
the way we heard about it was first, kind of rumors at first. And then I think this
person named Jen Post came and spoke to us to let us know. It was less of a
conversation and more like we were being told this is what’s happening, and we started asking questions like, “Well what is the alternative?”
because not only was it the cheapest housing on campus — also as someone who is living there you didn’t have to have a meal plan. And meal plans were pretty expensive. So we were asking questions
about how that could still be simulated somewhere
else and they didn’t necessarily have all the
answers at that moment. So, hearing stuff like
that kind of made us feel, “Okay so does the fact that
we’re here not matter?” They did end up working
out something where they reserved some spaces in Dyer house. But it is hard because we were storing things in the house too. ‘Cause every fraternity and sorority has their letters, and we have those too. But if we’re moved out of that house, where are we gonna put them? So they had to reserve space
in the either Hughes Trigg or the dorm that we’re going to to still store those things. And it kinda sucks to hear that too, because I had spoken to other people who are a part of NPHC
for instance and I didn’t know that some of those
fraternities/ sororities had houses on campus prior, and those got torn down for other buildings to be built. Coming to SMU, I didn’t even
know those houses existed because a replacement was never arranged. Having kind of a central
location on campus, really helps with membership sometimes because it kind of provides
us space for people to congregate, hang out,
enjoy each other’s company and when you don’t have
that, it can hurt you. So a lot of those
fraternities and sororities suffered in terms of numbers. We are a decent size, but in my time at SMU two of the five have ended up falling out of the existence just
from lack of membership. So it’s kind of like — unsettling because it does provide a good space
for students of color. Seeing them dwindle in
number, I feel like it hurts the prospects for
some of the students who may feel more welcome
in that kinda space. – [Carson] Do you think about going back to school after SMU? – I’ve definitely received pressure from my family to do that. They’re very infatuated
with higher degrees, which is why they wanted me to be a doctor in the first place. When I switched to
engineering, that was a fight. But it was still within
STEM, so it was good enough to not really be a huge issue. Now the new conversation
is when am I gonna get a master’s degree or an MBA. My uncle said he was gonna
call me in a year or two to tell me that I should
be working on that. But I don’t have a whole lot
of family in engineering, so my stance is different than theirs, and I don’t think that I
need a master’s degree. At least not now. It’s a thing that helps you specialize, and what I’m doing doesn’t require that. So it’d be kind of like a
waste of time in my opinion. But that’s gonna be a fight down the line. – [Carson] How was your
transition into professional life? – It’s actually not that bad. It kinda helped that I
had internships through just from being a
computer science student. Had my first internship, it
was unpaid, unfortunately, at a place called the Keystack. It was a start-up. And luckily, I wasn’t
doing unpaid work for them. I was more so learning from
them about web development. Then I worked at Blue Cross
Blue Shield another summer. That internship got me a little bit more of an understanding of
the corporate world, which I didn’t necessarily like. A lot of bureaucracy —
took me a month, I think, to get a monitor after requesting it. My girlfriend actually
got reached out by someone from a company trying to recruit her, and she said that after
she looked at the website, that it would be something
that I would like. So I started checking it out, and I saw that my friend worked there. So I talked to him about it, and ended up applying, getting
an internship at this place I’m currently at, Headstorm. They offered me an internship
from January until May. I was actually gonna
leave them for Accenture and they ended up saying
that they really liked having me around and upped my offer. So I ended up staying there. Having already worked at the same place that I’m now currently full-time really helped with the transition. – [Carson] So you’re a consultant there. – Yeah. – [Carson] Okay, so what do you do? – We have various clients,
so I’m on one of those client projects and my job
is I’m a front-end developer. I get assigned different views
that they want me to build. I use a language called React JS, and just build out those web pages. – [Carson] So you like it? – Yeah, I like it a lot. The culture’s great there. – [Carson] Do you think
you’re gonna stay there? – Definitely for a couple of years, I could see myself being there. – [Carson] What prompted
you to stay in Dallas? Was it just the prospect of work? – It was multiple things. Definitely earlier in college, I realized that I didn’t want to go back to Chicago. I love the city, but I was
ready for a different place that I wanted to settle down in. It gets terribly cold in Chicago. I think one winter I
went back and it was like negative 40 or 50 with windchill. And I remember going
through that in high school, and having to bike through
that kind of weather. It’s a huge turn off for me. I just met a lot of people in Dallas. I have a lot of closer
friends now, that I have here than the people– I still
have good friends I have from high school, but not as many of those as I have college friends. I have my girlfriend here
now, and we live together. And I have some family here too. So actually multiple factors
that make me wanna stay here. – [Carson] Since finishing
school, where do you live? – It’s called Jefferson Westlove. It’s apartments near Love Field Airport. – [Carson] Do you like it? – Oh, it’s really great. – [Carson] Do you have any regrets at all, looking back on your life,
would you have changed anything? – I really don’t think so. If anything I maybe would’ve
switched out of pre-med faster. – [Carson] Do you remain
involved with SMU at all? – SMU the college, not really. Definitely my fraternity, though. Sometimes people from N.S.B.E
will ask me questions, just ’cause I was previous president. So I’ll just help them
out and stuff like that. – [Carson] If you could tell
your younger self one thing, what would you tell him? – To prioritize myself. I don’t think I was really
prioritizing my happiness when I decided to pursue pre-med. That was, I think, a huge
mistake because I thought that would be the best for
me, because that’s what my parents thought was the best for me. I didn’t really know
how to put my foot down and say strongly that this is what I want and it’s not what you guys want for me. So I’d definitely tell myself
to really consider that and not make that mistake. – [Carson] Is there
anything that you feel I may have missed that you
wanna further discuss? – That’s why I brought
up all that house thing, because I didn’t want to be glazed over, because that was definitely
one of the things that really rubbed me the wrong way about how SMU conducts stuff. – [Carson] Okay, well thank you so much. – Um-huh

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