End of Time America collapse-Documentary-movie



history teaches us one thing shame is inevitable this most ancient truth has been Illustrated time and time again has every great empire no matter how palace eventually Falls in every instance wise men have predicted their empires end but their dire warnings went unheeded is it possible that in modern times this may be happening close to home could America be headed for catastrophe there are men among us today who believe of collapse is not only possible but that it has already begun unlike Nostradamus or other bygone prophets they look not to crystal balls of the stars but to actual evidence to reinforce their claims their visions are a financial instability oil and water depletion hostile technology and terrorist aggression these men are gathering now to share their visions of the dangers that threaten the American Way of life they look to the lessons of Empires past for clues to how we may avoid their faith for ways we can prevent history from repeating itself so that America does not descend into oblivion like every great empire that has come before Michael Craig Rupert has long foreseen the impending threats to America born in 1951 in Washington DC his family had ties to the CIA a US Air Force and Army as a detective for the Los Angeles Police Department uncovered a CIA drug trafficking operation in 1977 this led him to found an organization dedicated to exposing government corruption a political renegade he has never been afraid to speak his mind and Rupert is now certain our society is disintegrating from within we cannot as a nation as a planet or as a species continue to live the way we have under the assumptions that we have because if we do we are committing suicide this isn't about environmentalism anymore this is not a lefty feel-good fuzzy warm save the whale issue this is a matter of survival by this time next year I'm certain that we won't recognize the United States of America Rupert believes that our explosive population growth over the past two centuries is the result of the one thing fossil fuel one of the first applications was to create an internal combustion powered tractor for the purpose of plowing because you could multiply the number of acres that could be filed and then it was discovered that you could fertilizers out of ammonia which is produced from natural gas so it became possible to feed many more people as oil and natural gas began to be used more and more it is solely the fact of hydrocarbon energy specifically internal combustion-powered agents ammonium based fertilizers made from natural gas and pesticides made from petroleum that has allowed the human population to expand in just a little over a hundred and twenty hundred and thirty years in the starkest terms human population was fairly stable at just under 1 and a half two billion people from the time of Christ until oil was discovered there was a slight dip for the bubonic plague a slight increase as the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution came along with steam and with coal but it was not until the discovery and use of oil the human population skyrocket from a simple arithmetic standpoint if you just look at the numbers essentially five billion too many people are living on this planet today that are not sustainable by any other means as human civilization undergoes this enormous painful transition everything that mankind has held sacred is on the table it's a matter of life and death the United States population more than tripled in the 20th century it is projected to increase yet another 46 percent by the end of the year 2050 with fossil fuels running out grouper does not see how our infrastructure will keep pace you know I think food exemplifies our problem as much as anything else we have boxed ourselves into a situation where we transport food over enormous distances where we fail to return nutrients to the topsoil so that it will grow anything else without those chemicals and if those chemicals that come from oil and natural gas go away the food goes away and if the food goes away people starve and that process is beginning all over the world now our population is still growing even as the resources needed to keep that population fed are going away our population should be diminishing also but we're in a condition of overshoot we're still expanding there aren't enough resources on a finite planet a closed sphere to sustain infinite growth we just can't do it Rupert believes the America of the future will bear little resemblance to the nation we know now the indicators that United States of America is collapsing are all around us the changes now are going to come much more rapidly they're gonna be much harder to take and the choices that we make now are going to determine how we're able to deal with those challenges it's a question about our ability to eat to stay want to move interact to live any kind of a life that bears any resemblance to anything like the life that we've lived before or that has any kind of quality in it it means that the way of life that the world has come to know since the discovery of oil about a hundred and thirty hundred and forty years ago was all coming to an end we are going to see things like governments cities and towns going bankrupt which is happening school districts are cutting back to four day weeks everywhere major cities are doing police cutbacks and fire cutbacks we're seeing major infrastructure failures an explosion in San Bruno California of a natural gas pipeline that was laid in 1948 and nobody had the money to repair the infrastructure we're going to see major failures and calamities and disasters like that the bridge failure in Minnesota a few years ago not to mention 30 million unemployed collapsing home values all over the place foreclosures soaring we are seeing all the signs of collapse throughout this country and they're becoming more obvious every day Rupert is certain these troubles aren't temporary nor are they the ordinary products of an economic downturn he is convinced they are symptoms of a coming collapse collapse has happened to every Empire in human history that seems to be if you will a natural law that empires can grow to a certain place and then they inflow 2,000 years ago the Roman Empire was the most powerful on earth the similarities between Rome then and America today are striking and the story of what ultimately befell that nation is told in museums around the world like here in America today rose armies were spread too thin in too many foreign countries barbarian invasions like terrorist attacks and cross border incursions as we see in Mexico's drug wars with constant the government was corrupt and the only way to get anything accomplished was through bribery or by increasing taxes this is no different than the stranglehold lobbyists banks corporations have on our government today America like ancient Rome has this blind faith that we are superior to the rest of the world and it's our destiny to reign supreme forever it's not going to happen we are going to learn some hard lessons and adjust to some hard circumstances but we do have choices the American Empire is going to fall but we do not all have to fall with it America dominates the world today on a scale far greater than even Rome could have imagined but history as well as nature proved that size itself is no guarantee of continued survival and what's in front of us now is the same thing that was in front of the dinosaurs the evolve or perish grow up or die change the way you think and the way you operate because the universe will without remorse coldly it might seem but with the beauty that is natural laws will let us go extinct the question of survival is very much like the Titanic a huge ship that was believed to be unsinkable that could go forever on its maiden voyage it sank but there weren't enough lifeboats on that ship to save all the lives on board at any point in that voyage and especially after the iceberg hit had there been an organized effort to scavenge from the Titanic enough material to make lifeboats many many hundreds of lives more might have been saved Titanic of course is a great word it implies and encompasses the size and the complexity of human industrial civilization the Titanic is going to sink and there are some people that will not believe it until they're underwater [Applause] Michael Rupert isn't the only one with dark visions of the future others also anticipate the fall of America each believes the cause will be different but the outcome hauntingly similar they meet to share their insights to try to gain a broad perspective on the challenges we must confront and to decide which threat is of the most immediate concern the most important priorities that we have are saving lives if I had to sum all the problems down to one word it is overpopulation because there are five billion people on the planet today who did not exist at the dawn of the oiled age and they exist only because of oil and natural gas you know it sounds like you're talking about the great die-off like the like the Permian Triassic you know the greater to the mother of all man there's a mass extinction underway right now going through they called it the great die-off I'll interject a few thoughts on that I am NOT predicting any die-off the near-term hurdle is we have to deal with our excessive errors we've made in our financial system we've lived beyond our means and we've extended that living beyond our means by issuing more credit and there's going to be a reckoning there the financial system as we know it is completely untenable and there are going to be big changes once the majority of those changes happen history shows time and again that people inherently help each other out but the more people prepare the less likely that an exogenous financial shock is going to be a disaster our economic system is actually a giant global Ponzi scheme how that unravels is going to have big consequences for the average American America today is the mightiest nation since the dawn of man yet history tells us empires rise only to inevitably fall the circumstances change but the results do not now there are those who believe America's destiny will be no different one of these men is Nathan Hagen's born 1965 and Milwaukee Wisconsin with a PhD in natural resources this former investment banker was managing a hedge fund when he came to the conclusion our current economic system was unsupportable he resigned our economic system is actually a giant global Ponzi scheme and the way that translates is a lot of this debt and credit that has been built may someday never be paid off how that unravels is going to have big consequences for the average American capitalism is gonna have to be retooled or it's gonna completely go by the wayside what we have now has been a failure the future is going to look very different than the past in in one primary regard in that the world economy will no longer continue to grow until twelve thousand years ago humans lived a hunter-gatherer foraging lifestyle and then we started to find and develop agricultural methods where we could grow things that we didn't need to eat that day we could store them for many months or even a year and then we started to live more sedentary lifestyles and develop technology etc and then in the 1700s we basically hid the energy jackpot when we figured out how to use coal and then subsequently in the 1800's oil and then in last century natural gas now the question is what's gonna replace fossil fuels every American right now has two to three hundred energy slaves standing behind them doing work that we take for granted the energy and the taxi that got me here today the lights in this building the food system the average food travels 1,500 miles to get to our plate and that you all uses energy all these things are subsidized by a one-time endowment of fossil energy that is so powerful that for all human intents and purposes it is indistinguishable from magic Hagen's believes the current global depression is the beginning of an economic collapse that will intensify as natural resources run out and alternative energies fail to replace them in time technology is in a race with depletion and depletion is winning people need to recognize okay you know about a finite planet and we had virtually infinite once and perceived needs but those two trends are putting up against each other and what are we gonna do about it we've been so endowed with natural resources for 60 70 80 years we have not really thought that this was a problem there been some recessions and even a great depression but we've always reset from that we build our institutions and our expectations assuming that this sort of subsidy will continue in the future and now we've built a lifestyle that is no longer sustainable we can live within our means but only when we acknowledge that there are limits in our economic system right now does not acknowledge that there are limits the financial system as we know it is completely untenable and there are gonna be big changes the idea that our economic system is completely failing is hard to believe but Hagen's points to America's mountainous sadness proof the balance between that debt and our available resources is delicate when it tips the system collapses we have built an entire industrial civilization on the assumption that there will be more every year we now know that resources are harder to find and in order to keep the system going we've flooded the American economy as well as the world economy with more and more credit we've created a large debt overhang and right now we're kind of in this wily coyote moment where we've fallen off the cliff and the government is supporting the feeling that things are okay but in reality right around the corner there's some very different trajectories basic needs food procurement water just knowing that people are gonna get fed is going to become more prominent in people's minds just like it did and the Great Depression the 1920s were this kind of gogo period where a lot of people were invested in stock market and black Tuesday the stock market lost 12% and it lost 40% two months later and eventually the stock market from its highs in 1929 to its lows in the mid 30s lost 90% of its value in a Great Depression around 35 million people lived in families where no one had a job out of a population of 120 million so during that decade the average income of those people that worked declined 40% so it was pretty desperate back then the government is attempting the same things that it attempted in the 30s by borrowing money and stimulating the economy but the problem is we can't continue to inject money from thin air into a system and continue to think that it's going to hold together you cannot solve a credit crisis by adding more credit period the American economy rebounded from the Great Depression to become larger and more dynamic than ever before reinforcing the theory of cyclical markets in which booms are followed by bus and then ultimately a bigger boom Hagen's cautions this belief is more faith than fact I believe the United States is insolvent and that some of these debts that we've incurred from the past are going to come home and we're gonna have to face the reality the moment of bankruptcy comes when people want the money when they want the claims to be paid off America unfortunately is asleep with a lot of these issues and part of this is due to cognitive dissonance cognitive dissonance is when our brains don't want to acknowledge the gravity or seriousness of the situation the good example is in Jared Diamond's book collapse where he talked about a dam was about to break and people three miles downstream were really afraid than people two miles downstream were like really freaked out but people living within a mile living above the dam they weren't concerned at all if things are too frightening and too threatening our brains tune it out because it would affect our behavior and it would be too painful to accept so peak oil and peak credit and the depletion of cheap fossil fuels of what that means for the end of it's too overwhelming the financial reckoning that's coming could include many different scenarios it could be no more US currency and their US currencies replaced by something else it may happen that you have one hundred thousand dollars in your bank and the next day you wake up and you have ten thousand Patriot dollars or something like that it's happened many times hawaii's where there was the end of system of planes there was something wrong place knows that something is wrong speak up Hagen's feels this unprecedented financial crisis is the greatest threat to America today the debate continues the problems are all interrelated the economy energy food and water okay and how that works because we live in a world clearly where if you have the money you can buy them I put water at the topper list by the way because everything everybody else has talked about we have lived without once before we've never lived without water which is one of the reasons it taken for granted we've never lived without it and we're running out of it we don't see it we live in a water economy we do not live on a patrol economy water runs the world in five years at our current rate of behavior we will have far more options for energy sources and far fewer options from our but what's the big difference there are replacements for oil there are no replacements for water people will look back the early 21st century and say what were they thinking we are not at the doorstep of a crisis we are in the story of every Empire is one of rise and fall yet while the United States has seen its share of hard times the expectation has always been one of boundless growth history however promises one day when you take a long step back some men believe that day is today regardless of what our press releases are it doesn't seem to me that we are making a better world to live in my experience is the quality of life has been deteriorating rather than getting better but that sounds like that assumes we're we're just at base a cynical selfish species the human race has many redeeming qualities the problem is which ones we choose to make paramount the problem is which ones we choose to make our North Stars if you will I would still argue that the most pressing predictable problem is an ongoing economic crisis we've come across this huge abundance of resources and we're burning through those and it's only until we see that the bottom of that barrel where we start to change what we compete for and start to use technology as how do we get out of this mess sometime in the next decade there's going to be a financial reckoning where we're going to have to dramatically tighten our belts use less consume less because there will be less available the United States right now uses twice the energy as the country of Ireland per individual yet out of subjective well-being studies they're just as happy as we are we use 37 times the energy as the average person in the Philippines yet they are just as happy as we are so I'm sure that whatever comes we will be able to adapt to it it's just the six-month window of when it happens that I worry about one comment I'd like to make those is we're talking about what the most urgent problems are do we care about the next generation do we care about other species do we care about 300 years from now how many species or humans might inhabit the planet or do we just care about 2025 I mean most people frankly care about this weekend yeah here's a subtle point we evolved to not address a situation until it's stared us in the face there's something an economic called a discount rate which is how much we value the present versus the future a discount rate of one means we care only about this second if you feed a goldfish if you go out of town for four days and give it to four days of food at once it will eat until it explodes discover eight of zero is like a robot where you would live for a million years and you care about today the exact same as you care about the year 21 77 humans have very steep discount rates what this means is that we as a species won't really address our problems until the problems are staring us in the face you know peak oil and climate change and all these grand super themes that we read about these are like 10 20 30 years down the road that has the the mental weight of zero to the average person hearing about it if there's no toilet paper at the grocery store today and you heard that there's not gonna be any anywhere in the country that's like oh my god stock up on Soylent paper so people need an environmental cue showing them that scarcity or change is going to happen EGIS believes people don't recognize change until it's staring them in the face Hagen's also believes great changes could be upon us sooner than we realize eventually the currencies we have right now might go away and might be replaced by something it's not even my imagination our own Treasury secretary last year mentioned a global currency I am absolutely convinced that the imposition of a global currency will expedite the crash of everything much faster you know it's helpful to remember that paper currencies are only about 150 years old this has been a very short-term experiment conversation and sort of practical direction for a second everything I'm listening to is fascinating and have that I agree with half that I disagree with what about our practical problems of the future which is that we in the world are running out of water John croman born 1950 is the director of the beacon Institute for rivers and estuaries and a senior fellow at Pace University he has investigated environmental violations across the country and is developing a technology network to deliver real-time data on water quality he sees a shortage of clean water as the most pressing threat to America we don't live in a petroleum economy we live in a water economy when we lose it we lose American life as we know it right now water is the substance upon which we depend it is the foundation of life is the foundation of the planet but all over the nation and all over the world in fact both quantity and quality of water is in dire danger in the 21st century the western United States the concept of water shortage it's a headline in daily newspapers in 2010 Governor Schwarzenegger told the state legislature in California that he would sign no more bills coming out of the state state legislature until they revamped California's water laws that's how severe it is in the Midwest you have the Ogallala Aquifer there's this huge trapped underground sea of fresh water that was left behind by a glacier you know rainwater didn't create it rainwater doesn't replenish it so as we exhaust it which we're doing we're taking away with a singles biggest supplies of fresh water in that region of the United States in Baton Rouge Louisiana if you go into any restaurant that sells shellfish there's a sign on the wall that warns you that eating that shellfish may be hazardous to your health if you go to San Francisco Bay and you sit on a dock there'll be a sign on a piling at the pier warning you that if you take a fish out of San Francisco Bay and eat it it may be hazardous to your health there's a standing rule for every river and stream in the state of New York if you eat more than one meal of fish per week it could be hazardous to your health the damage has gone so far that the very food that we could rely on how those water weights is really too hazardous for us to eat the foundation of civilization which is of our rivers and waterways it's starting to crumble and the society that's built on top of it is declining along with it pollution is on the rise we are over consuming water we are not at the doorstep of a crisis we are in a crisis and if we don't take action immediately the crisis will reach a point where we cannot recover we can save millions of lives had we a sensor technology to let us know as an early warning system what's in water what you're saying is giving you the kernel of one of my pet peeves that just because we can measure stuff we can control everything stories of the world's great empires all share one reoccurring theme water wars have been fought over it and losing it has meant the death of entire civilizations today John Cronin believes water is in more demand and in shorter supply than ever before water is as much a part of our history as Wars and revolutions and art and music but because we take it for granted we don't see it as the foundation of society if that foundation continues to crumble the society on top of it's gonna crumble along with it this is not a new phenomenon in fact it's as old as civilization itself in Mesopotamia 6,000 years ago Iraq is today the Sumerians invented irrigation using water from the Tigris and Euphrates rivers and just as we are careless with our use of water now the Sumerians were careless then an attempt to feed their increasing population they over irrigated the farmers wanted to reduce irrigation but their leaders refused because food was a source of power the consequence for the Sumerians was the death of their civilization the stakes are just as high for us today imagine anything of consequence to the daily operation of the nation as a whole if the White House ran out of water everybody would have to leave the White House if the offices of Congress ran out of water everybody would have to leave Congress the lights go out you can sit at your desk you ran out of water you pretty much have to leave there's nothing for you to do you can't use toilets you have nothing to drink we talked about the idea of actually water stopping you have to think about how it happens one way is that we start running out of water and it all starts getting rationed now rationing can mean a lot of things it can mean that if you like to be clean every day maybe you're not going to be clean every day and Australia you're not allowed to take a shower for more than five minutes that's it it's against the law it can mean the water used to take out of your tab that has to be boiled every time you use it because we've had a resort to supplies of lesser quality when you start reaching the point where your supply has declined so much that your everyday life gets rationed that's a downward spiral because our populations increasing if you go now to other parts of the world go to Singapore Singapore is the canary in the mine for the rest of the world Singapore's entire future now is based on recycling its sewage waste into drinking water and you know who else is thinking about this right now Australia California Arizona are thinking about the dramatic cultural change it's going to require to get their citizens to accept the idea that we may have to start recycling sewage waste for drinking one in 2007 the US Geological Survey projected that at least 36 states would face water shortages within five years that means some of these states are already facing challenges Cronan however is worried not just about the quantity of the water but the quality 19 and a half million residents of the United States gets sick from bacteria viruses and parasites every year it comes from pollution of drinking water with human wastes this is frightening in the 21st century because it's one of the oldest problems civilization deals with keeping human waste separate from the water that we drink had a flue cause those kind of consequences every medical an authority in the country would be called would be put on alert because of it if we do not stop that that pollution we are facing rates of illnesses they're going to increase and the equivalent of a pandemic the waste dumped by sewage treatment plants into our oceans and rivers not only can contaminate drinking water with bacteria and viruses but also with chemicals from the beverages we drink and the medicines we take one of the most alarming discoveries about pollution in the last decade is that there are things that we use every day that sewage treatment plants do not remove that are starting to show up in the waters of the United States so we're starting to find caffeine and fish the coffee flows through us it goes down our toilets it goes to the sewage treatment plant which is not equipped to remove caffeine the caffeine flows out the sewage treatment plant into the nearby river the caffeine goes into the fish may be caffeine doesn't turn out to be a problem but maybe other things do those plants are not designed to remove inside chemicals pharmaceuticals prescription drugs that we take or take a flu or some sort of virus it starts transporting itself throughout water supplies the United States and we work at wake up one day with literally with an epidemic Cronan makes a strong case for fresh water being the foundation of our society he feels we need technological innovation allowing us to measure precisely what is in our water at any given moment so we start meeting needs and I'll give you an example I can go on any cell phone and I can tell you the UV index and a relative humidity in almost real-time of any location on the planet there is nobody who can tell you in real time what's in the glass of water you're drinking we can save millions of lives had we a sensor technology to let us know as an early warning system what's in water you know you can create that world what you're saying is getting to the kernel of one of my pet peeves that just because we can measure stuff we can control everything it's incredibly grandiose and foolish what I'm seeing in our culture these days is what I call a disease of too much magic and I think it's perhaps a very fortunate thing that the human race is facing what I would call maybe a reset of its activity not necessarily a collapse let's call it a reset James Howard Kunstler born 1948 in New York City an investigative journalist and author especially since the 1970s has been the oil industry councillors lived through an oil embargo enforced by foreign suppliers now he has convinced the planet will soon impose a greater one to the collapse of society as we know it and when I was a young reporter starting out in the early 70s I covered the OPEC oil embargo of 1973 and it made a huge impression on me he started to see lines form at the gas stations people were unable to get to work you know I have this vivid memory of somehow I managed to get a full tank gas and I wanted to drive down in New York City I see a girl and I drove down New York State throughway and I was the only car in the doorway for about 150 miles and it was like The Day the Earth Stood Still I made a big impression on me to see how fragile everyday world that we got accustomed to really was that was 40 years ago I think that the energy crunch of the 21st century is going to be much different much harsher have permanent repercussions that are going to thunder through the lives of generations to come we are heading into uncharted territory of civilization I think the people of the United States generation from now are going to be astounded at how we squandered the wealth of the 20th century I think people of the future are gonna look back on us in wonder and what we've done they're gonna be left holding the bed and it's going to be a very empty back history is a graveyard of fallen empires and today there are those who say America is in danger of suffering the same fate among them James counselors convinced diminishing oil supplies will play a critical role in our downfall the peak oil is the moment in history when an individual oilfield or a region or a nation produces the most oil it ever will the US had its moment of peak oil in 1970 that was 40 years ago when we produced 10 million barrels a day and we're down to 5 million barrels a day now the problem is when the world hits peak oil and that's where we're at now we're on that ed bumpy slope down that's going to get rougher and rougher the oil story really starts around 1860 in the USA we are the first nation that ramps up multi-layered comprehensive oil industry and has been normal for many generations of Americans now so it's hard for us to imagine us not having oil but in fact people happened in America in 1970 40 years ago America produced the most oil that will that it will ever produce in a given year which was around 10 million barrels a day and ever since then it's been going down America made up for its problem of peak oil and of entering the arc of depletion by importing oil from other countries the problems of the world is that once the world passes their production peak we're not going to be able to import oil from other solar systems the assumption is is that the down slope is a gentle down slope that you know that it's we're just sort of gliding into depletion but I think that that really miss represents the reality of the situation the real story is going to be how the major complex systems of daily life begin to destabilize reinforce each other's instabilities and failures as we get into trouble with this people problem we consume 20 million barrels of oil each day in the United States most of which is imported and every day our demand for oil increases oil however is a finite resource the US government is aware of the problem the US Department of Energy hired a scientific consulting firm run by a guy named Robert Hirsch the Hirsch report was published in 2005 Hirsch reported that we were indeed facing a peak oil predicament that was going to rock our world that was going to change all the terms of everyday life in advanced societies and deprive us of many of the comforts conveniences amenities and necessities that we had come to take for granted the Hirsch report was buried by the Department of Energy because they saw no way that the American public could deal with the idea that this way of life might be threatened the Hirsch report was really rather bad news it was telling the USA that we were facing an imminent crisis America didn't want to hear it it was too painful the Hersh report projects that oil production worldwide will peak either in this decade or almost certainly by 2030 the report also states that the economic social and political cost will be unprecedented the peak oil story is not really about running out of oil it's about what happens to all these complex systems that we depend on for everyday life the way we produce our food that's one system and that mainly means industrial agriculture where you're applying a lot of oil and gas byproducts to huge factory farms and producing cheese doodles and chicken pepsi-cola or hogs or whatever it is that's how we do farming that's how we feed ourselves in America that's going to be coming to an end and probably fairly shortly and it'll be a huge problem you can't imagine anything more destabilizing to a culture than people going hungry the way we make things buy things sell things move them around that's all gonna change there's been really one model for the last 30 years or so and that's national chain retail giant corporations moving massive amounts of stuff the semi trucks that are incessantly circulating around the interstate highways they pick the stuff up and say in Pedro California and they schlep it across the nation to Philadelphia and that's how we do Commerce in America it's normal for people you know they love the it's become you know enshrined as an institution now like you know apple pie and motherhood there's a lot of fantasizing that's going on right now a lot of wishing that's going on in America right now that we're gonna run this stuff by other means that we're gonna run all the cars and then we're gonna run Walt Disney World and the interstate highway system and Walmart and the US Army and suburbia on something other than oil it's not gonna happen we're going to be very disappointed about that we will develop alternatives to fossil fuels but many experts believe we may never develop replacements oil is simply more potent and cost less to produce than any other energy source at least for the foreseeable future we are not the first Society in history to face the depletion of its most precious resource we just have to hope we are the first to overcome it you know there's that old aphorism that history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes and you know we see kind of similar things happening in a different way other cultures have gotten into trouble with their resources and with their political response to their own resource problems we're like ancient Rome with baseball and pizza look at what happened to Easter Island they were a Polynesian culture on a remote island in the Pacific if you go there now what you'll find is a treeless island populated with giant stone heads left behind by the Easter Islanders but the island wasn't always barren it used to be covered in trees and the trees word of the Easter Islanders what oil is to us today their primary resource they used it for all the important daily needs of life and their population grew too we estimate about maybe 20,000 people at the height of this culture and before you know it there's not a whole lot of wood left and their population starts to crash and they get pretty desperate there's a lot of evidence that they actually started getting into cannibalism in the final Florida phase of this collapse they start building all these immense stone monuments you know that they may have been in a attempt to appease the gods to allow them to get some kind of resource back you know I think you can state categorically that as a society becomes more fearful and desperate and economically stressed that the delusional thinking increases I think it's a kind of thing that the human brain does in in a state of desperation a world without fossil fuels would be a dark difficult place there are some who believe that we may still be able to find solutions if we act quickly many like Kunstler know that the consequences for not finding alternatives will have repercussions for generations to come I think the people of the future are gonna look back on us in wonder nausea and what we've done they're going to be inhabiting a planet whose resources have been largely depleted and we're gonna be back to living off the true solar energy of the planet you know the stuff that comes in from the sunshine every day they're gonna be left holding the bag and it's gonna be a very empty bag I think the future is gonna be difficult for our America I think it's going to be a surprisingly austere place struggling to stay warm in the winter struggling to feed themselves or have any kind of a really gainful occupation living among d'etre tests and the salvage of Industrial Age and trying to make something of the pieces that are left America is gonna have to contract and probably to some extent retreat back into our corner of the world the Western Hemisphere with lower expectations for being able to influence and moderate the behavior of other people in the world and a reduced ability to control the great issues of world economy and global politics we're so psychologically he invested in all of the mythology of you know what we became in the 20th century into this this the greatest power that the world has ever seen and the greatest economy that the world has ever seen and it was quite a trip and it was a lot of fun and it was exciting and comfortable and convenient sometimes joyous and thrilling and now we're done with that it's over James consulars convinced nothing can prevent peak oil but he and others are equally certain that the havoc it creates will be lessened if we can make changes now for me the most important thing is is to stimulate and liberate local food production to do anything possible to help people grow food where they live but how do you grow your own local food if you're living in a high-rise apartment it's happening all over the world right now there are rooftop gardens there are window box Gardens vacant lots in major metropolitan areas our department are being converted to community supported agriculture enough to live on enough to feed more people than will be fed otherwise I offer no magic bullets that will allow everybody to live the way we have been living I started as a cop my job is to save as many lives as possible this is a triage emergency situation when I listen to you it is since you're all human scale problems for example water shortage economic collapse oil shortage but the problems I'm concerned with in a sense are almost post human I see this century that the technologies will allow massively intelligent machines they could actually contribute to some of these solutions but it's a two-edged sword yeah these machines that humanity could build would be so complicated that we could not understand them and therefore we could not predict how they might behave towards us maybe they would become very unfriendly to us they estimate that it's going to occur in the 2040s and most people watching this program today will be alive when this happens they may decide that human beings are so inferior to them they may wipe us out like a mosquito some of the greatest threats to the future of America are economic collapse water shortage and contamination and oil depletion each is an evil we know but there is one looming danger that may overshadow them all one with a potential to wipe mankind off the face of the earth professor Hugo de garis born 1947 in Sydney Australia designs artificial intelligences his research is leading the way toward the evolution of self-aware robots he sees a future in which artificial intelligences are far more powerful than the entire human race combined it's only question of time now before humanity can build artificial brains that are far more intelligent than human beings so this is a huge issue which I believe will eclipse any other human issue this century they call this species dominance peppermints saying for a long time oh look robots are just around the corners that corn has been around for 50 odd years so yeah when's it going to happen I fired the robot the second mechanical man built by the Oakland California high school youth aza represents all over months at the school tinkering miss people have probably heard of something called Moore's law he said in the sixties that the number of transistors on a chip doubles every year and a half or so so it's largely because of that phenomenon that trend that it's more or less now that there's enough capacity in electronics to actually make these artificial brains that Korean and South Korean government they will aim to put a home robot a useful intelligent home robot in every Korean household by 2020 and Bill Gates is on record as saying by 2030 the home robot industry will be one of the biggest and richest in the world and why is that well I mean imagine you you really had a machine that could do all the household tasks it would be so useful that you would be prepared to spend big money on it the rapid acceleration of technological innovation in recent years may soon enable us to create robots that look and behave like humans so imagine in the 2020s you get a phone call from your neighbor and your neighbor tells you hey come over come and look at my new home robot so you're not going to the door of your neighbor and his home robot answers and cracks a joke and you're amazed my god the vocabulary of this thing is about double triple what my home robot has and it's even City College it has a sense of humor my god Wow you're impressive so two weeks later you rush off and buy yourself the next model right I mean the same way today we do with our iPods and iPads and so on so imagine you do this several times each upgrade that you do your home robots getting smarter and smarter the human IQ level let's say it's here and the robot IQ low let's say is here but you can it then becomes clear to everybody that there's a train right that gap that difference between human IQ and robot IQ that gap is lessening it's getting smaller and smaller as the years pass so it'll become obvious to everybody that it's only question of time before the home robot intelligence level catches up to human level scientists have long predicted what they call the singularity this theory states that artificial intelligence will eventually develop self-awareness and begin to think and act independently of human control de garis believes that when the singularity arrives mankind will for the first time face competition as the planet's dominant species this whole idea of species dominance it sounds like science fiction to most people because today's machines are not intelligent but as a professional brain builder myself and I know there are thousands of guys working on this for this problem ahead of them make artificial intelligence though the progress level in neuroscience the supercomputers that are that today have an equal bid processing rate as the human brain all these factors you put them together and it makes the idea of species dominance I mean make the analogy in the 30s yeah the nuclear physicists saying a bomb was coming and everybody really killed them because it already took one bomb one city that's enough ok but it happened within a mere 12 years or so from the first prediction people will start asking all kinds of obvious questions like well are these machines going to become as intelligent as human beings should we try to stop it could we stop it if Bill Gates is right in saying that by 2030 home robot industry will be worth literally trillions of dollars a year right some enormous economic momentum how do you stop them and then you've got the military momentum because in the timeframe we're talking about 2030s probably what's the dominant a political reality of those times well I suggest it will probably be the global rivalry between the US and China imagine you're the minister of defense you will not have the luxury to allow the other guy to develop systems create more intelligent soldier robots and military systems than the other country even if the public gets really alarmed national security type arguments will ensure this development will go the benefits and conveniences offered by highly intelligent robots are onto them and it is easy to imagine how quickly we will become a Postum to their presence but the pace of their evolution are so rapid that de garis follows just how long before the servant becomes the master so our artificial brains will become more and more like our brains that like natural biological brains and you need to remember these artificial brains they're thinking a million times faster than we are whereas our brains our biological brains they're operating at chemical speeds electronic brains think at the speed of light you can imagine if one of these brains had human level intelligence it could do a PhD in minutes which is pretty scary so effectively there's no limit to their capacities they could be well not only thinking much faster but virtually unlimited memory right so you could you could put all the world's knowledge into one artificial brain they could do evolutionary type experiments some parts of themselves and then look at the results and if the results were good they could then incorporate those new results into themselves and restructure themselves and all at the speed of light so they there would be almost godlike these creatures I give them a name a column artilect that's short for artificial intellect because that's what they'd be there be artificial minds the potential of these machines is so vastly greater than what we are as humans it's possible that in a highly advanced form they may decide for whatever reason maybe for reasons we don't even understand as humans they may decide that human beings are so inferior to them they may treat us as a pest imagine a mosquito lands on my arm and I'm human right and that's a mosquito and I go but I'm human I don't give a damn so we would have no idea what their attitudes towards us as a species would be they may decide to get rid of all the oxygen because it rusts their circuitry or something and not care about the consequences of that decision there their action towards us oops an accident bad aim or something but was it an accident either aint talk'n seem suspicious though when the controls are just about foolproof but after the robots a harmless fellow and here he comes where we go worrying about hostile robots may seem premature especially when compared to the immediate threats of peak oil and water shortage but even these crisis may in time seem minor relative to the realities of a world dominated by artificial super beings something that really really scared me was the notion that with the enhancement of AI that human beings could become God and quite frankly that scares me to death the resource and money problems that we face are so severe that I think that they're gonna put this kind of activity out of business before it really ramps up but here's the here's the thing though no matter what anyone of us talk about it's gonna survive if there's a marketplace for it and the marketplace is defined by the people who are around the marketplace that you're talking about is a collective agreement between people about what reality consists of and that reality is changing very swiftly if you go I'm especially fascinated with your work that from what you described machines are gonna be trillions of I'm smarter than we are and they're gonna be able to solve all these great problems it sounds like all the problems the rest of us are concerned about the machines are gonna fix them all in my own case I'm very concerned that you know we're gonna wake up tomorrow and you know what six or eight major American cities are gonna be nuked off the face of the earth and there's absolutely no reason why this couldn't happen the that sudden apocalypse Luis Alvarez who designed the triggering mechanisms for the Oshima bombs he said what people don't understand is the hardest thing isn't to make bombs go off it's to keep them from going off most experts say that nuclear terror strikes are going to happen the nuclear bomb fuels been available too long as long as the nuclear bomb fuels there somebody is going to steal something they're gonna call though one or more nukes together and they're gonna set them off unfortunately it's just a matter of time I think one of the problems facing United States today is people either feel I think it's important to get this information out there and I hate to say it but the wait people the America we know today could look very different tomorrow as converging forces threaten not only our prosperity but ultimately our very survival most believe the crisis will involve gradually but some believe it could happen overnight the greatest threat to America today is nuclear terrorists it's far too easy for them to steal the nuclear bomb fuel to Kabul crude nuclear devices together and to set them off in major American cities Robert Gleason war 1945 Michigan City Indiana is the executive editor at or Forge books there he has published the writing of former members of the Pentagon CIA NSA and FBI what these men have told him is alerted him to a devastating threat I think one of the problems facing the United States today is people either feel secure in the United States to secure in her futures or they just don't care that apathetic I think it's terribly important to get this information out there and I hate to say but the wake people up to let them know that America is exalted position in the world could end in a heartbeat nuclear weapons particularly thermonuclear weapons our man-made Suns detonated on the earth it is a small a miniature star except in this case whereas our Sun gives us life this man-made star brings death one of the things about terrorists nukes is that they're surprisingly easy to construct a set off if you have the nuclear bomb fuel if you get the equipment from an old winery an old dairy and six months can manufacture your own nuclear reef processor within one month you will have reprocessed enough nuclear waste that you will have bomb-grade plutonium and you can set off the Nagasaki bomb or another way to do it is just to go into one of these nuclear storage sites and steal the actual bomb fuel itself as we know is shockingly easy to do it even in the United States at Los Alamos there was a study done in which they disguised some former Special Forces guys and they wanted to see if they could steal some bomb fuel the mock terrorists came in with a home depot garden cart and trundled out enough nuclear bomb field to build a bomb that is in the United States of America if we can't secure our own nuclear bomb fuel how is Pakistan gonna do it house in you're gonna do it how is Russia gonna do it countries that are just rife with all kinds of library Michael shirk who at the CIA ran the bin Laden unit for years said bin Laden has always been obsessed with obtaining nuclear weapons Alkaid has been obsessed with it we do know that there's been some years where the Russians have caught 500 people and in a single year trying to steal nuclear materials out of Russia what percentage of that is the tallest is there 5,000 to 50,000 all we know is that the people that got caught how about the people that didn't get caught while military-grade nuclear weapons are unavailable to terrorist groups security analysts believe a crude but still powerful bombs within their ability to build and detonate it could happen any day say it's Wednesday 9:00 a.m. one of our big cities a van pulls into a car park in a crowded neighborhood inside that van are the terrorists they have the simplest improvised nuclear device you can build a ten kiloton gun type bomb the same size of a Russian bomb depending on how complex they've made it they can get away with having acquired as little as 26 pounds of highly enriched uranium an amount like that it's not out of the question the blast zones for a bomb that size is about a square mile just think of minute about what might be in that radius one thing you have public schools bus terminals train stations literally packed with commuters museums with collections of the most famous art and the entire world and of course tourists are everywhere on the street you have office buildings theatres hotels public library restaurants people's homes depending on where you are there could be a million people in the area an area that is about to become ground zero in a few minutes all of everything that was in the square mile we face a cruel irony of history the risk of a nuclear confrontation between nations has gone down but the risk of nuclear attack has gone up just the smallest amount of plutonium about the size of an apple could kill and injure hundreds of thousands of innocent people terrorist networks such as al-qaeda have tried to acquire the material for a nuclear weapon and if they ever succeeded they would surely use it were they to do so it would be a catastrophe Peru the immediate blast damage from a nuclear attack would be catastrophic but the long-term repercussions would be far worse the landscape of America would be changed forever the implications are so severe most choose not even to consider them I've talked to a number of military analysts Pentagon War College they claim the Pentagon really for terrorism they couldn't find any studies classified or unclassified that the Pentagon's ever done I think it's because new nuclear terrorism nullifies everything we know about military strategy and tactics it is the reduction at absurdum old warfare since 9/11 the threat of terrorism has become a daily fact of life for every American must perceive it as a problem beyond their power to control but that may prove small comfort to our children and the generations to come bomb strikes and if a terrorist took out eight cities in one day do you have all the great Apocalypse was rolled up into one you talk about water shortages there is no water you talk about energy shortages there is no energy it's the elephant in the living room we refuse to address it we refuse to talk about it I think future generations will look back on our apathy and inaction and be horrified god grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference unfortunately if I get blown up at a nuclear attack there's not much I can do about it what I like to do as an American is take action with my own hands what about our practical problems of the future well you know it's nice to say that waters the pressing problems oil was money is the problem is they're all going to come together at once and whichever wins the horse race and gets there first do you know who knows maybe it'll be nuclear terror terrorism maybe we run out of water maybe there's a financial collapse but I don't think there's ever been a time in American history where we saw so many apocalyptic problems on our on our time horizon in the near future with problems of such immense scope and consequence the question is whether these men can come to any sort of consensus about which of these problems will befall us first there are a number of real big game changers out there and they seem to be converging these are amazing problems that are going to come back and fight us very hard and they're gonna fight us all at the same time like a pack of wolves you America stands at a crossroads unprecedented in over 200 years as a nation these men have described their versions of the future each one terrifying and each one seemingly possible now they must decide which is the gravest threat to the United States and what can we do to prevent it we've covered a lot of ground we've talked about a lot of different things it would be interesting if we could each talk about what we consider to be the most immediate pressing problems and also you know perhaps what could be done about them and who knows maybe at the end of it we might reach some kind of consensus you go what would you so if you ask me which particular problem is most pressing I guess it'd be Jones its water because its primary right its basic so if we can solve that problem immediately then go all the rest the rest just collapses I mean imagine it you turn on the faucet and nothing comes out I was thinking my god if if no water comes out of the faucet I can't survive six months or six years I can't survive six hours you know one of the first casualties of running out of water is there's no water for sanitation disease starts to split you start getting plagues that you know we thought we'd eliminated the world is running out of water very rapidly and the population is proliferating the consumption is proliferating and the water sources are shrinking I really don't know what the answer to that problem is fact is we live in a water economy we even whether we live in a petroleum economy water runs the world but it's misuse is also the source of a downward cycle of poverty disease and human suffering and political instability that's all here right now there is no one thing to do there is no magic bullet that solves our water problems for a number of reasons one is water problems are profoundly local we have to look at what comes out of our tap as being more precious than oil being more precious than a gold standard being more precious than our currency being something that we have to immediately protect like right now right this second and not just be worrying about a nuclear holocaust that's maybe a year or two years or ten years down the road this is an everyday threat we've kind of forgotten about water we are under the impression that our laws of taking care of all that they have not public doesn't know the size of that failure that awareness will result in an expectation and a demand the American public will respond if they have the knowledge john Cronin's message is clear protect the nation's water supply today or suffer dire consequences tomorrow but not everyone agrees this is the most pressing concern I think we're facing multiple crises I still believe that they will manifest first in the financial and currency system and that does have implications depending on how government's respond for international trade and availability of resources and our supply chain and there are some core assumptions of our economic system that have to be re-examined and I think that's happening now I think 2008 Lehman Brothers we came this close to a total unraveling and people at the highest levels are thinking about how to avoid that in the future and how to redesign our financial system and maybe our economic system so that doesn't happen again in order to get to Hugo's problem of artificial intelligence Terminator guys 50 years from now we need to make it through the next 10 years I think the biophysical crises of energy and water and other things like that are gonna first manifest in social crises Michael what do you see is the most pressing concrete problems one in seven Americans now is below the poverty line what an aid families is on food stamps those numbers are increasing 3040 million unemployed depending upon who's counting the statistics the people are hurting and they're hurting as a result of an economic collapse which is exacerbated and compounded by resource shortages peak oil energy fresh water everything else I see signs of a shift in human consciousness I see signs very clear signs of a global awakening many many millions of people understanding this the move to the moves to real ouka lies food production to start growing food where people live to to real ocol eyes your support groups close to where you live is really a worldwide well I'm not persuaded that most of the major problems can be ranked in the order of importance I think that they're all going to read and on each other my central animating idea is that there are several competing Fiasco's that threaten to put us out of business as an advanced industrial civilization while there seems to be some consensus that our debt-based society and the world's water issues are the greatest problems we face there is less agreement on what can be done to stave off a potential collapse there are a number of real big game changers out there and they seem to be converging the energy narrative is pretty clear the banking problems we have right now the shortage of capital the failures of governance and the rule of law in our financial system you know these are amazing problems that are going to come back and bite us very hard and they're gonna bite us all at the same time like a pack of wolves and there are three things that I would recommend that we can do the first thing is that we can re-establish the rule of law in our banking and financial practice second thing I would propose is we need to direct our dwindling resources in to the task of rebuilding local economies the third thing that I think we need to do is rebuild the conventional railroad system in the United States and we should do that right away and if we don't do it I'm not sure that there will be that will physically allow the United States to hang together as a culture of people and a nation we've mentioned the collapse of an advanced industrial civilization several times and my gut and my research of historical civilization suggests that our population will in the end be more resilient than then some people give give credit to the average person needs to start thinking about a future where instead of more every year there might be the same every year or less every year I agree that we need to reload of a lot of basic needs in effect we need to insource where we have been outsourcing because of efficiency and profits around the world I think by American really makes sense because the things that we need to make and that we need for our our lives should be made locally I think a consensus is emerging that real localization is a solution to many problems in terms of food production resource usage than anything else also in terms of starting a local currency anything you can do to be sustainable close to where you live there's no universal solution but I'm seeing an agreement on that I just wanted to point that out I would agree with you Mike but I would also add that you know in the spirit of going with the flow of history and circumstance that this is where we have to go anyway and societies being self-organizing an emergency that's our destination anyway even if we have to be dragged kicking and screaming to it yes it seems to me the again it's really tempting to say that all of these things are interrelated the history teaches us only one thing the way things are today or not the way they're going to be tomorrow all I'm convinced of is we have very little time to do anything and and perhaps time may be a resource we have not addressed in this whole discussion today is how much time we have to deal or address these issues and what we can do in that time what we're finding out is that the way we're going to have to live is the way we should have been living all along anyway I think it's gonna be much more rewarding I don't see it as all suffering by any means modern life moves so quickly it's hard for us to stop and consider where it's going there are however times in our history when we simply have no choice these men are certain that moment is now but even though they have spoken there remains one question that must be answered will we listen we've talked about a lot of extremely of catastrophic problems they are all really horrific problems my sense of what the problems are hasn't changed at all my sense of the dire emergency and the temporal urgency of addressing them has increased pretty clearly we're not psychologically prepared for the changes that we face we can't afford to be crybabies anymore we can't afford to sit around wringing our hands we have a very big to-do list we face an array of problems they're all equally severe the assumption that if we get one thing right or one part of this right that we're just going to keep on going ahead being a hyper complex society you know I think is erroneous personally I don't think that this is the end of the world or the end of the human race you know I think it's the end of a certain phase of history I think we need a time out from technology we're all for obviously worried about the water shortage three of us seem to think that was really pressing urgent and scary the other three also saw something else in the problems when that everything really goes down one of the things you're gonna be looking at as a global economic collapse and money itself becomes a problem I think the American financial system is completely unsustainable at these levels we should all strive to be less wasteful but our economic system is kind of based on waste in terms of solutions I think one lucien that we all agreed on we thought was paramount was real ocol ization decentralization we pointed out that the average meal comes from 1400 miles away what you're looking at if society breaks down you're looking at mass famine we are hopelessly too dependent on power grids telecommunication grids which are in times of societal breakdown we could well lose what we're finding out is that the way we're going to have to live is the way we should have been living all along anyway and in a way that's probably much more fulfilling from an emotional and spiritual and psychological and the standpoint of human interaction I think it's going to be much more rewarding I don't see it as all suffering by any means we have to be more self-sufficient we can't rely on stuff to protect us that's thousands of miles away and times of really great oppression you need to band together you need to help each other you need to sacrifice for your friends because at certain point they're gonna have to sacrifice for you if we can somehow learn to work together and we could come to see humanity as one community probably nothing is impossible then but as long as you know it's us against them the in-group and out-group that kind of thinking is the road to perdition in many respects I felt I met my match right these these guys were smart really on top of their field and amongst the best in the world in what they do part of the shock effect of you know this meeting this this circle of six guys was the this big question mark that arose I have burned into my brain now this is this question of what if the lights go out I will tell you one more solution that I think is really great since we're talking about these things if nobody talks about these things nothing happens and quite frankly the kind of public discourse I've heard is a deafening silence we are the one species on the planet that will run into a burning fire to save a complete stranger we're the one species on the planet that will organize our community to help a community on the other side of the world that we may never visit we're the one species on the planet that has the compassion to make sacrifices to help another species and that's why what Martin Luther King said is so important you know the arc of the universe is long but it tends towards justice humans are a compassionate caring species and ultimately I believe we end up taking care of each other these men have reached an uneasy consensus most feel a water crisis and economic instability are imminent threats to America all agree Peak Oil and overpopulation also represent serious problems nuclear terrorism remains a possibility too terrible to consider and the issues posed by the development of artificial intelligence seem relatively distant it has been said that a generation which ignores history has no past and no future now it is up to us to decide will we sit by and watch as they watched and wronged as they watched in Mesopotamia as they watched time and time again as everything we have built all we have achieved disappears into the mists of history 2,500 years ago Aeschylus said in the Agamemnon looking back on the Trojan War which was a stupid foolish undertaking done largely out of pride and he doubted that the human race was really capable of rational solutions to serious problems in terms of how humanity learns and how they grow Aeschylus said we learned nothing save you

30 thoughts on “End of Time America collapse-Documentary-movie

  1. Collapse is inevitable…. learn the skills that will be marketable in a post industrialized society….. build networks, learn to grow food , learn to preserve food … your skills will be your currency….

  2. Why aren't we discussing removing the source of the destruction? Human population. Can we not even discuss curbing our reproduction? It makes the imminent solutions a bit easier to tackle if it's just for a period of time until populations/demands are decreased. We are such an egotistical species.

  3. When China decides they want us to repay the trillions we owe them….that's going to be the CHACHING!!! moment for Americans. The lights will come on… with what will quickly follow China saying…OUR MONEY! COUGH IT UP!!!…as to what the REAL agenda is behind the birth certificate and SSN. By registering everyone born on a national level it guarantees everyones share of the national debt.

    WE'RE the collateral provided for the national debt, babycakes. Solid tangible collateral. When a debtor wants your debt repaid…they dont go after your PAPER. They go after your HOUSE your CAR…YOU! The things that have tangible value to start with.

  4. Scott Warwick is right…the debasement of currency is the beginning of the end for a nation. The central banks and international cartel know this.

    What did JFK and Libyan leader khadaffi have in common? They both wanted to ditch the fiat paper standard and return to a silver and gold standard. Within a 2 to 3 week period after stating this…BOTH men were dead.

  5. If one can look through the spectacularism of its aesthetic and focus instead on the value of the information behind it… This is is a great documentary.

  6. what do the world population have to do with America's collapse when it is America who is only 5% of the global population yet uses up 25% of the global resources.

  7. We are in 2019… no female-robots in sight ! Anyway, if such sexist production of robots could happen, then I would not mind that these robots just eliminate male humans… 😀 This part of the documentary makes the whole documentary not credible.. A pity, because the rest : water, oil, food, finance, environment, etc. are real big issues that are definitely triggering the collapse…

  8. This is globalism at its best. Wow people pay attention and do your research talk about conspiracy serious fear mongering this is the a pitta me of a socialistic genocide. Smell the coffee and stop drinking the Kool-Aid

  9. All Empires Die…they all follow the same pattern..no matter how big how far how rich they fall on their own weight….we see it in the US everyday….and you must ge blind not to see it…

  10. Only God can tell the beginning from the end. There’s not one thing they can do about it either. What the Lord said would happen is now happening and all prophecy will be fulfilled. Get right with God and meet his son Jesus Christ for your salvation! Jesus paid the sin debt and all you have to do is believe it and accept it and he will change you in ways you never imagined. God bless

  11. It’s going to fall at the end of the coming Civil War. After the war there will be no wealth left to rebuild with. Adding zeros to a set of digital numbers to print some money will no longer work. After all the fighting is over is when the people will realize they just fought over something that’s already dead. You can’t rebuild a country thats 20+ trillion in debt with no physical wealth stored in the treasury. It doesn’t matter which side wins, the outcome is the same

  12. These guys have talked about the things I have been preparing for; for a long time. The guy that said they are going to jump on us like a pack of wolves is right. Welcome back to the 1800's if we don't change our ways, soon.

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