Dustin Lance Black speaks with Ditch the Label (full version)


Thank you so much for coming to meet
with us today, absolutely lovely to meet you. What do you think about Ditch the Label?
Well, Ditch the Label is new to me and one of the things, so it’s been an education for me recently,
about Ditch the Label. What I really admire about it
is that it has a focus on people being treated equally, people being treated fairly and well,
despite the ways that they’re different. You know, and that’s really what I go around
my country talking about, is actually not just the tolerance of difference
but the embrace of difference. People starting to see difference as valuable, and understanding that the ways in which we’re different
actually make this planet more liveable, more enjoyable, and I like that it goes beyond
just LGBT issues. Yeah, so you’re talking about the work
that you do in the US. Do you think there is a bit of a
difference between the UK and US in terms of what issues are kind of at the pivot of
equality and diversity at the moment. Well, I mean, I think that there are a lot of young people who were taught from a very early age,
whether you’re born in the UK or the US, that somehow being different is scary.
You know, you see parents walking around with children and if they see someone
who’s a bit too different, you see ’em pull them a little bit closer, and that
always bothers me ’cause I’m saying that kid’s learning that difference is somehow bad,
there’s something to be afraid of, with people who are different.
You know, we aren’t in the same places legally, United States as the UK, the UK is a
bit ahead of us right now in terms of LGBT issues. We’re still having debates in
The United States right now, whether or not gay and lesbian people should be
able to get married, even hold a job, have the right to live in a place they’d like to live
and then obviously those issues have been sorted out here in the UK, and
so, you know, in a way we look to England as a country, as a place, that sets an example,
that we’d like to follow, and I do think it’s important that the government,
the land in which we live, supports diversity. It’s one of the places the young people look to say “Hey, what is okay?” Who should be respected?
And if your own government is saying, “Oh, okay to treat people differently,
then young people will follow that lead, and that’s dangerous. So do you think there’s anything that we
can learn from each other, in terms of the relationship between the UK and the US? You know, I i think that for many years now
we’ve looked to each other in particularly in the gay and lesbian movement. I look at some of the organizations here
and they are named after events that happened in The United States, like Stonewall,
which was one of the early uprisings where gay and lesbian people
finally fought back against oppression. And nowadays in the United
States we look to the UK and to see, Hey, there’s now marriage equality here
and the sky didn’t fall, people are being treated equally under the law and it
seems that nothing bad is happening in fact there’s more joy and stability in families here,
than there is in some places in the United States now. So what was it that inspired you to become an activist? I mean, I’m a storyteller before anything else
that’s what I do, I tell stories, I just happen to tell stories about
things that I’ve had experiences with. That’s what most good writers do,
they talk about what they know. It just happens to be I grew up in a really
conservative religion, in a conservative area in the United States, and i’m also a gay person,
so, you know I write about that. And when you start to look at what’s at the core
of a civil right movement, a successful one, It’s storytelling. You can go out into the world and you can preach
about the science of why you’re right, you can preach about legally,
why you’re right, why history says you’re correct or even the law
and you’re not going to change hearts and minds, make as much progress as if
you just tell your personal stories. So really, right now, for gay and lesbian people, if you’re just out there, sharing who you are
coming out, telling your personal story, you are an activist right now.
And I do that on a bigger stage. Because I use movie theatres and television to do it
and in that way it makes me an activist. So would you argue that it’s important
for every single person to share their own stories for the benefit of others? Yeah, I mean storytelling is at the centre of
what we need to do to dispel the kind of lies and the myths, the stereotypes
that are out there about LGBT people and about any group of people, by the way,
this goes beyond gay and lesbian issues, any group of people who are different than
the mainstream in some ways I think it is at the core of how we correct the record,
how we help people identify with us, and in screenwriting, one of the tricks when you’re tackling an issue, or an area that is very unique you get very very specific, you don’t go abroad,
you don’t go general, you get very specific about the individuals who are being portrayed,
what their experiences are, how it feels to be in the situations they’re in.
And once you do, that’s when it becomes universal, it doesn’t matter how different you are,
when you get to the core of what makes us tick, we share those feelings.
The desire to love and be loved, and so I say, yeah, everyone, these days,
feels different in some way, really, it depends on how you slice that pie,
but we’re all minorities in some way right now, and what we can do, to make things better for others
is to share our personal stories. I think, what you’re saying really resonates
with the work that we do, because, you know, not only just sharing your own story, benefit another person who perhaps going through something similar
but actually, that release that you get, the emotional, psychological release,
of actually putting your story out there, is so incredibly powerful. And I think not many people actually realise,
how powerful it can be. I think as well with a lot of the research that we do,
you know, people don’t necessarily think in statistics, it is all about actual real-life stories,
real life experiences that people have had. So you were talking earlier
about your individual experiences. What was that like growing
up and knowing that you were different? Yeah, I mean, I knew I was different
from a very very early age. You can’t grow up in the Mormon Church, as a gay kid, and think that you’re quote unquote normal, according to your church. You know that
your church thinks that you’re a Sinner, that you’re, you know, right down there with
all the murderers and rapists and literally, the prophet of the church,
when I was probably five or six years old did a, what you would consider, I guess, a sermon, where he said that homosexuality is a sin
comparable to murder. And at that point I already knew I was a gay kid,
I already had crushes on boys, you know, and it was deeply troubling, to have,
the first time, I start to have a crush, which should just be this innocent childhood crush, it’s connected to things like hell
and I start to consider myself down there with these folks who actually
hurt people, you know, and add on top of that I grew up in the South, I grew up in Texas
and it’s a very conservative area in the United States, and it’s not particularly accepting, even today. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done there. And I quickly understood that the feelings I had
also would have made me a felon, a criminal. That who I was, was against the law. I mean, I’m six years old and I already know I’m
going to hell and that I should be going to jail, and that, according to some people, the feelings I was having could even be considered mental illness. And at this point we’ve corrected that, you know, that piece of misinformation, that myth,
but it does a lot of damage. You know when you first fall in love it
should be one of the most exhilarating exciting, scary, but scary for the right reasons,
moments that you’ll ever have. Right? You certainly shouldn’t start to
have a crush or are feeling attachment and start to fall in love and the first
time that you feel that, it should be attached to the fear of going to prison, or electroshock therapy,
you know, or going to hell. How did you get over feeling like that? You know, it took a really long time. Part of it was luck, for me,
we moved from Texas to California. We moved to an area that was more accepting,
an area near San Francisco, where there were openly gay people and I was,
my mom put me into theater classes and I actually met openly gay people
and pretty soon you realise that openly gay people aren’t all the things you’ve been taught your whole life,
in Texas and in the Mormon Church. That these are happy people,
they don’t have horns coming out of their head, like the Mormon prophet said they would.
It would take many years before I came out but once I did, once I did come out
and accepted myself, truly I can’t exaggerate, I can’t make more of the great change
that came over me emotionally, once you unburden yourself of the closet.
So that was really the big sea change, you know. But it really, and it’s the thing that I live by,
that took me a long time to find, and it’s the thing that I say to young people
who are being bullied and harassed, is that I had to learn, at certain point, that other people’s
opinions of me, were absolutely none of my business and that was, if they had an issue,
if they had a problem with who I am, that’s their business, but I gotta keep my eye on where I’m going and what I’m doing, and have faith that who I am
and all of its difference is good, and I’m doing good with it
and then you stop listening to the noise. It’s really that lesson that’s helped me start to grow. With the rise in social media, do you find that
ever difficult to kind of blank it out, that negativity, that seemingly anybody
who’s high-profile, attracts online? Yeah, I mean I, don’t always block all of it out. I mean I read some of it, people say
some really terrible things about me. and I’m smiling because once
you realise it’s none of your business, you can start to see how ridiculous some of it is. When you can start to have a sense of humour about it and realise, that’s their problem man. That’s their damage, and start to see,
not just what the words are that they’ve written, But you sort of look beyond them and you go:
“I wonder what happened to this poor unfortunate soul, that they felt like
they needed to take that minute, that, whatever it took, for them to write those hateful words.” Like, where did that come from? What happened to them? You know, and
actually have compassion for them because, you know, they’re having trouble, if somebody spends that much time writing something like that, and to start to actually flip it
and care for that poor tortured soul, who felt that’s what they needed to do
in that moment in life. I think the perpetrator orientated intervention is heavily within what we’re doing at the moment, because, we have a real problem, I believe where we actually see people who bully
and online trolls as being villains. That almost has a really negative impact
because if we villainize something by society it makes it progressively difficult
for those people to stand up and say: “Look, you know what, I have a problem I need help.” And we should be helping those people.
What do you think? No, I mean, you know,
Nelson Mandela, who’s a great hero of mine, when he was talking about liberation
and in this case it was about race, people being discriminated against
because of their race. And he said: “We’re not free until we’re all free
and that includes the perpetrator.” Because that perpetrator is a prisoner of their hatred, and there is nothing that cripples a soul more
than that kind of hatred. And so, I always love that saying
’cause it has the same solution as helping your own self, and your own self-esteem. Which is about owning who you are
and sharing that story. That person who’s sharing their hate online
and/or in the government, or whatever it is. They are clearly operating from
a lot of misinformation, you know Someone taught them at some point that
people who are different or somehow less than, and I would say in many cases
there’s probably something in them that’s making them feel like they have to lash out because there’s something about them
they’re afraid is also less than, and what we do is share your stories,
as a person of diversity, share who you are,
share what your experience is and oftentimes you can turn, not all,
but most of these folks around. What kind of advice would you give to somebody,
who may be watching this, who is trolling somebody online
or is bullying them and just doesn’t know what to do? You should cut it out, I mean, first and foremost. And seek help themselves, I would ask anybody
who is spending their time attacking other people, legislating against other people
to examine for a minute where that started, where that came from and why they’re threatened. I think oftentimes people think, I’m just being funny,
it’s funny, I’m gonna get attention from my friends. No, sorry buddy, there is something there
that you’re feeling. A feeling that perhaps you’re inferior in some way. That there’s something broken about you
and I want you to get help to fix that, You know, because they’re not. I don’t believe that any person on this planet,
that there’s anyone on this planet that doesn’t have Worth
and those people need help finding that worth. You know, because once they found that,
they’d have a purpose and purpose doesn’t allow you the time to go on attacking people,
you find your purpose and you’ll be set on that track. There is no purpose in hurting other people. What kind of advice would you give to
somebody who is being bullied and is feeling worthless and has low self-esteem
and isn’t feeling particularly great about themselves. Well, those are a few different kinds
of people there, you know. There are people who are being
bullied, who have a strong sense of self. And I like watching how those people react to bullying. And a lot of times they can react:
First and foremost, you can turn it off. You do not have to let their opinion
affect your self-esteem. And you don’t need to look at it,
you don’t need to read it, and you certainly don’t need to give it
much of your time, or much of your emotional self. And so, you know, first and foremost do that
and I think as you move forward, express yourself boldly, you know,
what they’re trying to do is shut you down, don’t do that, you know,
continue to be who you are and I, frankly, I don’t know what the the rules are in this world
I don’t even engage with them, I think oftentimes that’s a lot of what,
particularly online, folks are looking for that sort of attention,
just block them, get rid of them. You’ve got your purpose on this planet, pursue it. Don’t let anybody distract you.
That’s really what they’re trying to do. So do you, as an adult,
do you still feel discriminated against by the Church? Oh my goodness, yeah there’s many different
churches who say that gay and lesbian people are you know, less than other folks, say gay and lesbian people are going to hell, just for who we are, but I don’t, I’ve not shut the door. The Mormon Church came after gay and lesbian people in California in a big way, with proposition 8. Which took away a right we already had. Which was to get married.
And, you know, a lot of people were very angry. But I took a moment and thought, well how do we fix it? And I started doing the work to fix it by engaging the church, and so
I spent a lot of time over the past half decade in Utah, engaging leadership in the Mormon Church
working with folks on the ground and the LGBT movement in Utah
and you’re starting to see change and that started by just bringing gay and lesbian
families in to meet with Church leaders. And I’ll tell you, there was surprise on both sides
how much we actually cared for each other you know, and even so on the Church side. Folks reacting emotionally when they see
a lesbian couple with children. And one of the Church leaders even asked me, he said: “Brother Black, at some point
do you want to have a family?” And I said absolutely,
I wanna have a family, you know, I was raised Mormon I want a big family,
and there were tears in his eyes and he said We always just thought you were trying to
de-institutionalise marriage, to like break it down, to which,
you know, I had to laugh. I’m like: Why would we spend all this time
trying to destroy something? Absolutely not, we want to be included
in the tradition of marriage, but we also want the protection
and the respect that it means. So, it’s just been this education, on both sides,
that’s led to increased understanding. And you even see changes today,
in the Mormon Church. You see changes today,
in the Catholic Church. And that’s coming from communication.
We still have a lot of work to do. And those messages from the Church
are bullying, and that has to stop. So what has been your proudest,
activists related moment, today? Well, oh my goodness… There’s been a lot of those
I mean, one of my proudest moments had to be sitting on the steps of the Supreme Court,
after half a decade of fighting, to have proposition 8, which had become
the symbol of inequality, legalised inequality. To see it struck down, you know, I kind of put
film-making on the back burner for a few years, to help wage that fight
and bring our plaintiffs’ case to the Supreme Court and so that victory is one of my proudest moments. I’ll never forget being able to fly back
from the Supreme Court to California and to see our plaintiffs
and hundreds and hundreds of gay and lesbian couples actually getting
married in San Francisco City Hall. Where Harvey Milk first successfully ran
and was a city supervisor. It was a pretty poetic moment. I can imagine it was really emotional. It was very surreal, you know, I’d dare to dream many times that we could overturn proposition 8. And when it really happened,
it was hard to believe that we’d actually done it. It’s a real lesson in how we can create change, and it felt good to know that now, in California
and so many other states in the United States, and hopefully by the summer
in every state in the United States. The first time a young person falls in love
they’re not gonna feel how I felt, they’re gonna start to think, Oh gosh,
one day I’ll be able to marry someone I have those feelings for, and have children even
if I want, with that person I have feelings for and I live in a country that celebrates that,
and wants to protect that. Imagine how differently that young person
is gonna feel about who they are. When they’re not any longer being treated differently
or being bullied by the state they live in. So, other than LGB related issues what do you think
is next on the agenda of diversity? Oh well, I hope we can work on multiple fronts. I mean, I’d hate to have to go one at a time, but when it comes to difference and diversity,
there’s an infinite variety. Places where I see a great need for
more understanding, certainly on trans issues, I know we see that in the United States right now,
I’m not sure about England. But what’s happening is, we’re starting to see more
and more depictions of trans people in the media, which is fantastic,
it’s sort of like what was happening in the late eighties, into the nineties
for gay and lesbian folks. More and more young, trans folks are coming out, talking about who they are, because they are inspired by what they see on TV,
and they’re being attacked for it. They’re not finding the support that they need
within schools, within the communities, to make sure that they are being respected
and protected for who they are. So I think there’s a great need for further understanding
on trans issues, and I call it a safety net. You know, there was this great call to come out
in the seventies for gay and lesbian people, and a lot of young people did and
they faced a lot of persecution for it. Let’s make sure that’s not happening
to the same extent, for trans folks. But, you know, that’s not the only group. I still see so many outdated ideas about who we are,
and who we’re all supposed to be, who were all supposed to look like, you know, I see it when it comes to people’s weight,
to body image issues, How we haven’t created more understanding
that people look different than one another, people weigh different amounts,
than one another, you know. I don’t know why we can’t create
better understanding around that. And to stop that sort of persecution, because it’s wrong. And certainly, I think, there’s still issues around gender,
you know, young women being treated differently in-equally under the law, in society,
by church, which is wrong, and certainly in America right now,
I think, income inequality. Folks are struggling to survive and their families. Where the kids, are living in families where the parents
are struggling to put food on the table. And folks are being bullied because they make less. There’s so many different places
that people are being bullied. For how they’re different
and I really hope that we can really create greater understanding in all of these areas. I think we have the time, we have the energy,
and certainly, we can find the means to educate in all of these different places. You mentioned about appearances.
We just produced some research. How shocked would you be to find out that
forty-seven percent of young people would change the way they look
and kids as young as 13 are considering liposuction, Botox, breast enlargement,
really invasive surgeries, to conform to societal standards;
would you be shocked by that? No. We live in a culture that’s selling a
certain kind of body image and unfortunately we don’t live in a culture
that’s showing a great variety of body images, and certainly not ones that are
reflective of who we really are. So, you know, and it’s not even
terrifically accurate, by the way. I mean, I have a lot of straight friends
and they like a little booty. You know what I’m saying? It’s like, I sometimes
I go, I see what’s being put on billboards and in ads, and what’s being marketed at us
and by the way, none of those models, ’cause I know some of them,
even look like that, you know. They’ve all been sort of crunched this way
and Photoshoped that way, and then I’ll hang out with my straight
guy friends and see who they’re attracted to, it’s not, it doesn’t even look like that,
so we’re being sold a myth we’re being sold a lie, and frankly it’s not even what, you know,
in this case, if we’re talking about women’s bodies, it’s not even what guys think is hot, necessarily, you know. We’re being sold a lie
and it’s a really narrow one, and it’s a really boring one, and it shows a real
lack of inventiveness, I think, right now in our culture. And so, you know, it does not surprise me, because it’s what we’re being told day in day out
is the only thing that’s good It doesn’t surprise me that young people
are having body-image issues, you know. ‘Cause none of us can walk around in
real life with Photoshop or Facetune. It just doesn’t work like that.
So, you know, I mean it’s shameful that that’s what’s being marketed to us
and hopefully we can do the work to start to correct that and by the way, I think there is a world in which
we can be marketed to in more diverse ways to understand the variety of beauty. You walk into a museum and you look at
what beauty has been over the ages and it’s very diverse, there’s certainly room for
that sort of creativity it’s just unfortunately not there… Do you ever feel under pressure
to look a certain way? Do I? Yeah for sure, you know, although I’m feeling a little pressure right now, because I didn’t put on any pout. So I’m feeling like, I’m probably little shiny
I’ve been walking around London all day. You know, but yeah, we all do, we all feel
a little pressure to be a certain way sometimes, but I had a really good mom
and she created a really good, I was lucky in this way, you know,
she didn’t accept me right off for being gay but she listened and she eventually did
and what she instilled in me was a real sense of self-worth and so, you know,
I guess that’s the difference, like, I allowed myself to come in here and be filmed
feeling a little shiny and sweaty and, you know, and having dessert occasionally
is important, I’m sorry… What is your favourite cheese cake?
You’ve got me thinking now. My favourite cheesecake is the one
that Tom made for me the other day. Which was out of a cookbook
I got him for Christmas, which is the Nutella cookbook. Which is ~They have a cookbook?~ they have a cookbook and so I got him that, he made the Nutella cheesecake
and it’s my favourite. That’s well played that’s a good gift, actually. You know, so yeah, we all feel a little pressure
to be a certain something sometimes. and sometimes, you know, when I’m feeling a little
pressure to get to the gym, that might be good for me. But if my pressure is to look like my partner,
well that’s probably not going to happen. You know, a writer is going to look
a little different than a diver. And that’s OK, you know, we can be
diverse in so many different ways. Do you find that,
being a high-profile activist and writer, do you find that you have to
sacrifice an element of your personal life? Yeah, if you’re gonna to do something, where you’re out in public eye, you certainly
open yourself up to being examined in a different way. That’s true. I’m all right with that. It’s not something I ever expected to have happened, but certainly the reasons why I’m in the public eye,
have to do with the kinds of films I make. The kinds of stories I tell. Which do lean towards a better understanding of diversity, which is all about storytelling. So how hypocritical would it be if I said: Well, let’s all talk about our stories and lets all come out, but don’t look at mine, you know. It doesn’t work like that.
It’s not always comfortable, but it’s part of it, it’s part of thing,
it’s part of what I signed up for. Have you found that you’ve kind of adapted
your mentality to it, as times gone on, and become more comfortable with it? It depends on the situation, it does.
Usually, yeah, I don’t have anything to hide. But every now and then,
I’ll just want to go have dinner with the boyfriend. And I sort of forget that they’ll be your eyes on us. That’s a little annoying, but not terribly. If you had to give three tips to somebody who’s watching this video and is effected by similar issues to you, or is being bullied. What do you think they’d be? Two things 1) I would hope that you can really say: “Hey, how much attention am I giving that bully?”
Or those bullies, or that negativity. You know, and is there a way for me
to turn my attention away from that and back to what it is I’m doing
and that’s what I ask folks: What are you here for, what are you interested in,
what are you doing, what do you love and how can you keep your eye on that,
because these other people, I’ll tell you, they are there to try and distract you
and you can’t let them succeed. It doesn’t matter, by the way, who you are,
and what you look like, there’s always gonna be those folks, who are out there to bully you
and distract you from your real purpose. And I’d say keep your eye on that, I’d say,
I repeat myself and say their opinions, other people’s opinions
are none of your business. Repeat that to yourself constantly
it is none of your business what they think, let them have that,
your business is what your purpose is and what you love, what you love doing
and I don’t care quite what that is, find it and pursue that And number 2) I would say,
if it’s getting really bad, tell somebody. Reach out and find that support that you need. And even if, you know, if you’re gay or lesbian person and
you’re in an unsupportive home, or Church, or school they’re still numbers you can call
and places you can go online to get help. And to share your story
and to get those feelings out. What it was like to be bullied, you know,
don’t do it in isolation. Then I think we can get folks out of, I hope, that despair and depression that can come from being bullied. So, when and how did you become a writer? You know, I studied film in college, in,
before, what do you call it here? University. and before that I was in the Theater
and I was studying under directors. So writing was never something I intended on doing. I loved literature, I loved reading
but writing came out of basically, two years out of university,
I was still serving people at a restaurant, I was a waiter and I thought:
How long am I gonna have to be here? And writing takes no overhead, you know,
it’s just the cost of ink and, you know, plug in your laptop,
and you’re on your way, and so I just started writing scripts for movies
that I’d want to make one day and as luck would have it, people started picking them up and reading them and willing to make them I found myself within a few years at HBO, writing a TV series and then TV movies and within five years doing a movie about my great hero Harvey Milk. It’s just sort of,
it’s taken on a life of its own this writing thing. And for me it is addictive. You know how people love all the little sort of games on their phone, these little problem solving games, well to me that’s what writing feels like. It’s, how do you cram an entire life,
an entire story, all these characters, all these things,
into a hundred and ten pages. ‘Cause unlike a novel,
you’re limited to the amount of time basically, that you can be in a theater
before people have to run out and pee. So you have to do it in this really compact space
and it’s how do you use that challenge and still make it emotional and still make it truthful
and so that puzzle, I’m just addicted to. And I keep doing it
time and again and each time I say: This was exhausting
and thankfully I got that right. But then another idea comes and want to solve it. It’s funny because I have a friend,
who’s an author and people say to her: So what you do?
She’s like: “I’m a writer.” No, like, yeah, but what do you do? She’s like: “I write books.”
And then they just automatically default, they say, “Oh you must have a really supportive husband.” Is that right?! Yeah, it’s literally insane, she gets it all the time. Because they don’t think
that you can make money right? Yeah, and she’s like a Harpercollins author,
she’s got best sellers behind her. Don’t say that to JK
one of the richest woman alive. No, you can make a very good living writing,
yeah of course Have you ever had any comments like that? Yeah, I mean, when you’re in Hollywood, it seems, you know, seven out of ten
tables at a coffee shop are taken up by screenwriters, you know,
their laptops and they’re writing. And I still like to go to coffee shops and in London,
in fact, I’d like to be in coffee shops and write. And so occasionally someone will say,
what do you do, you know, I’m a writer. They want to know how you
make your living on top of that. I think the new one is Youtubers
~Yes~ Everyone’s like: “How much do you earn?”
And it’s like, you don’t really ask that. Do you know what I mean? I think it’s ’cause there’s that novelty attached to it, because, you know, you don’t meet a Youtuber
or a writer every single day. And I think people are just curious, aren’t they, really? Yeah, I’m not a Youtuber. No?
No. I just try to ( … ) So, what advice would you give to somebody
who is looking to get into writing? You know, for folks who are trying to be writers, filmmakers, storytellers, whatever it is, My first piece of advice,
because I teach a class at this at UCLA, is to figure out,
when you’re trying to figure out what stories to tell, figure out the stories, where you’re the
only writer in the world, you feel, could really knock that story out of the park. Write what you know, write what you love
and because, if didn’t you have this entire wealth of information
that’s very very specific, that you can draw from and that’s what people love in film
and in novels and in literature is that specificity, to feel like you’re really there,
and everyone has that. So figure out what those stories are
you need to tell, that only you can tell, and get out there and tell them
and don’t fall prey to folks saying, particularly as a screenwriter,
well, only romantic comedies sell, or only comic book movie sell,
or only this and that genre sell. There might be truth in that
but if that’s not in your bones, that’s not in your heart, well there’s gonna be somebody who loves that stuff
and they’re going to kick your butt. They’re gonna do it much better. You gotta be true to yourself
and write what you know. And finally, what’s one surprising fact about you,
that people wouldn’t necessarily know? I have no idea. It’d be so surprising, I’d be surprised. Have you been asked that before? No, I mean, I don’t know, I’m a pretty open book.
I have no idea, give me an area. I have an extra bone in my foot. Oh, I don’t have an extra bone in my foot. It’s right here, it’s insane,
apparently 2% of the population have it. That’s an interesting fact about me.
~Wow, good for you.~ Yeah, I have no idea.
I mean, I run around telling my story all the time, you know, I’ll let you know if I figure out
something about myself that’s interesting. OK, alright lovely, well, I think we’re done. Thank you so much for your time and for
dropping by our pop-up Ditch the Label HQ and really enjoyed our chat.

8 thoughts on “Dustin Lance Black speaks with Ditch the Label (full version)

  1. Sorry although I cannot disagree with anything that Lance says….Having said that I will…I am Gay and 70 My partner and I have been together for 25 years. He is 46. So I was born and grew up when being Gay was ILLEGAL… I grew up with Stonewall…and now with Trump its like turning the clock back years and years.. There will be a new battles Its not so easy,. You and Tom are quite rightly loved up and that's great. Reality for a lot of Gays and emerging gays..LGBTQI !!! is not so rosy. Just look at the Transgender murders this week…Google it. Its not the fantastic Gay London world you live in !!

  2. The world needs more people like Dustin Lance Black. What an extremely humble and inspirational person. Such a good heart. ❤️🏳️‍🌈

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