In Woodland Hills California. Hey David.
thanks listening SiriusXM what’s on your mind today?
[DAVID] Thank you. Great show
today on so many topics and great Steve King rant. I would hope something would
happen there I’m not holding my breath. I would like to make the case
unfortunately why I believe we are headed for very violent times.
As you may remember, I’m part of a Facebook political group with liberals and conservatives.
I wanted to honestly debate conservatives and using Thom
Hartman water-cooler logic I was kicking ass on a regular basis it was almost unfair.
I got the group to start fact-checking and sourcing what they
were saying and and then it became began to become more and more name-calling on
both sides with little or no debate. And the Conservatives flat-out refusing to
critically evaluate Donald Trump just wasn’t happening. And I was getting
very very discouraged and then the death threat started coming in.
[THOM] To you as the
administrator of this of this area on Facebook? [DAVID] I wasn’t the administrator I
was just a member and my arguments were, I want Thom Hartman water cooler
arguments were so good the only thing they could do was start death threats.
And you’ve seen the Godfather right? Greatest movie ever made.
There’s a scene in it where the five families are at war they’ve gone to
the mattresses and the old pro is talking to the young Michael Corleone.
And he says every generation or so you got to get out the bad blood. There’s no
other way they’re not going to listen to reason it’s beyond that now. And I fear
that as a nation we may be there now and there’s one more thing I’d like to say
somebody called in and I think they said only you can talk on Fox News. And we all
need to be calling all of these right-wing hate shows. Every single
chance we get I’ve called the Mark Levin Show. Three or four times he hangs up on me every time. Second time I called him he
hung up on me and yelled at me for the next 45 minutes. Three commercial breaks he comes back still yelling. [THOM] You talking about the call screener?
[DAVID] No no Mark Levin himself he himself. He’s yelled at me for 45 and the topic was
why do conservatives hate the Constitution when it comes to promoting
the general welfare. And and he started talking about I think Madison who wrote
the thing who I think he was going to say that Madison was opposed to that and
I said there were a number of founding fathers and they wrote it twice in there.
So we all need to to to be calling these shows because it’s the
only way their audience hears something different. [THOM] Yeah I’m impressed that Mark
Levin actually put you on the air. I haven’t listened to his show in a lot of
years in large part because I almost never drive and that’s you know where I
was listening to the two right-wing radio. But yeah I go on Fox when they
asked me to because I think that we need to be talking back within their bubble.
You know we need we need to you know our voice needs to be heard their bubble is
constantly coming into our bubble as it were you know he watch MSNBC is the
closest thing that we have or you know free speech TV obviously is you know a
good progressive television network but it doesn’t have the national quite the
banana Lenna tration of MSNBC and and that network is like 50% Republicans you
know it’s like so the right-wing bubble is constantly in our face you go through
CNN of course you know and then Trump and everything else but we’re very
rarely in their face and and the Democratic Party this is what’s so
exciting about the Democratic primary is we’re having you were having people in
the Democratic primary now speaking out and saying the in fact Trump it is a
little Rose Garden thing just a few minutes ago said you know we’re not
going to expand the Supreme course not not ever going to happen
why is he saying that because you know a couple of the Democrats believe
Elizabeth Warren and maybe Pete put a judge have suggested that you know which
it’s tied to pack the court it’s trying time to explain expand the Supreme Court
so but but David to your to your point about violence this concerns me
tremendously I mean Steve King not only adjusted that there would be a civil war
and that if there was a civil war that the red states have 8 trillion bullets
more bullets than the blue states but he also took a kick at trans people by
saying you know the blue states can’t figure out which bathroom to use you
know it’s just it was homophobia on top of you know every other kind of you know
phobia and hate the that Steve King is so famous for promulgating and if you
look back at the at the at the Civil War that we had in the 1860s or for that
matter the American Revolution I mean Jimmy Carter wrote a brilliant novel
about this only about a third of Americans supported the American
Revolution at the time that it began and there were people fighting against their
own families in the American Revolution just like you know in the Civil War
these are these are huge painful destructive moments for America I don’t
think that they were any kind of purification I mean yes out of them came
you know transformation but David Swanson in fact in his book war as a lie
makes a strong argument that that war is the least effective way to bring about
change so these calls for a civil war that I’m hearing from the right and and
you know and they’re doing it with a lot of strutting and padding of their of
their phallic symbols of their guns I I’m not I have a hard time taking it
seriously that you know I get it that there are people like the shooter in New
Zealand who took it totally seriously if I can tell you Tom some of the things
that they said the death threat guys sure they are eagerly looking forward to
this and there’s the website I didn’t save it called thinning the herd it’s
part of their national or international group and by thinning the herd they mean
people of color they mean excess people because they really know that global
warming is true and they want to be the only survivors yeah it’s
it’s it’s a real tough one it really is David and and I you know on the one hand
I’m very concerned about the the stochastic terrorism that is being
encouraged by Donald Trump when he refuses to call out white nationalist
for example he’s encouraging more of them and they become terrorists and and
and that’s you know it’s what’s been going on it’s been going on in a big way
since the since the election of Obama and it’s been promoted by people like
Donald Trump but on the other hand to to freak out and say oh my god you know or
we can’t talk about this or we have to you know whatever and we can’t go there
you know I think is like to just hand it to them you know they need to be dealt
with like terrorists. I mean the FBI needs to
be on the case here you know it’s if we still below if has a country we believe
in Gitmo there’s the here that yours your place.