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  1. you can have regime change without physical war,

    a good plan for regime change in Iran should not cost any lives at all

    regime change just means overthrowing the government, if you believe the collusion theory, that was regime change in the US, namely bringing Trump into power and getting rid of ideas and norms, eg the new contempt for judges, congress, the constitution, eg challenging in court things already blatantly in law, perhaps eventually getting rid of the entire US system and the US becoming like Russia, with Trump second only to Putin. That change allegedly was by Russia, and didnt cost any russian or american lives.

    Trump controlled through blackmail, and Trump controlling his minions also by blackmail, eg video footage of people entrapped at Mar-a-Lago.

    You can bankrupt a country by forging their currency, most countries dont have the technology to create their own currency and will go to say the british royal mint to print their money. So the royal mint has the ability to forge many currencies. If you pump a country with forged money, it will breed astronomical inflation and the country wont be able to function. I think they were probably doing that with Zimbabwe.

    the alleged russian interference in the US election was via information warfare, of blitzing the US social networking scene with fake divisive attitudes, apparently all directed from St Petersburg, a lot of the rise of racism around the world is engineered by Russia. It is divide and conquer.

    The US can also supply intelligence and perhaps arms to dissident iranians to help them overthrow their government.

    There is a problem of ethics with such things, you have to study the ethics of any such things, essentially it is ok to do bad things to unethical people, that is the idea of the courts and prison. That if a person is fairly shown to be bad, you can lock them up in a small bleak room for say 10 years, a prison sentence. If you do good things to an unethical person that is bad, if you do bad things it is good, but the bad things done to them need to be commensurate to the bad things they did. Similarly, if you do bad things to an ethical person that is bad, and if you do good things it is good. By default we should assume people are good, and treat them well, but when they transgress to punish them commensurately. If someone steals a fruit from your garden, you dont send them to jail for 20 years.

    A lot of people misunderstand ethics, and think you have to be good to everyone. The monastery principle, help whoever asks you for help. This is unethical!

    The iranian government push an intolerant religious agenda, and they back violence in other countries, so that marks them out for the same medicine, that other countries can disregard their borders. They brag that they will develop nuclear weapons.
    Apparently, the CIA infiltrated the software for their centrifuges and made them spin too fast thereby destroying them! that is an example of information warfare where no lives are cost.

    the use of drones can wreck military targets without costing lives. eg you warn the iranian leader that his palace will be blitzed in 24 hours. So he can evacuate the place before it is laid waste. He'll eventually get the message. They only understand one language, the language of violence.

    if you get the ethics wrong, which the US often has, then you will pay for it for a long time.

    the lengthy success of the roman and british empires, was because although they were harsh, they were much more ethical than most other systems. Both allowed people charged to defend themselves, eg Pontius Pilate arguing against Christ being crucified, where he offered Barabas as an alternative. He then washed his hands symbolically to say the crucifixion was not his decision. Ultimately he was in charge and failed by not rejecting the case.

    eg with the second invasion of Iraq, that was basically to punish all sunnis simply because Saddam was a sunni. That is unethical, you cannot punish one person because they happen to be the same religion as someone else who is bad, if you follow that logic you would need to lock up everyone in america, because each religion has some bad people! Bush jnr essentially engineered a genocide of sunnis in Iraq, that twinned with the Assad genocide of the entire country of Syria, led to the sunnis fighting back as Isis. Isis essentially was the price of the deeply unethical Bush jnr policy. Bush jnr in fact was employed by the Bin Laden family, and after 911 he smuggled out of the US all the bin laden family to evade interrogation by the FBI, according to Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 911" film.

    https://www.amazon.com/Fahrenheit-11-John-Ashcroft-II/dp/B00005JNEI/

    Under the new regime in Iraq engineered by Bush jnr, the shia security services would set up road checks, and if a driver was sunni they would shoot them. Bush was following the failed principle of "an eye for an eye", which says that you can take revenge on innocent people provided the numbers are commensurate. The problem is that is a formula for proliferation, and is unfair. Modern morality is that you only punish people who knowingly participate in some misdeed.

    Guantanamo bay also is unethical, the principle of the place is that all people on US soil have the right to a trial to defend themselves, but because Guantanamo is in Cuba its not on US soil and so the prisoners dont have the right to a trial, its a loophole, that right is called habeus corpus and was brought in by King Charles because he had been imprisoned indefinitely without trial, and thereby realised it was wrong and that everyone no matter how bad should have the right to a trial, where they have to be accused of breaking some law, and the right to defend themselves. The principle is you cannot lock someone up indefinitely without formally charging them and allowing them to defend themselves in a court. King Charles discovered this many centuries ago, but the US flouts this basic principle of justice.

    Essentially, Guantanamo bay is filled with innocent people who were arrested at the command of Bush jnr to fill quotas, the renditions. Bush was trying to blame 911 on Saddam, but in fact that was a total non sequitur, most of the 911 hijackers were saudis, and Bin Laden was saudi. NONE were iraqi, NONE were afghan!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks#Hijackers

    15 saudis, 2 United Arabe Emirates, 1 egyptian, 1 lebanese,

    The invasion of afghanistan and Iraq were bogus, the real perpetrator was Saudi arabia.
    Bin Laden himself wasnt in Afghanistan but was in Pakistan.

    Saddam was secular, eg his cabinet member Tariq Aziz was a chaldean Catholic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz#Early_life_and_education

    and Saddam was a socialist, and a frontman of the soviet union. Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with terror. violence yes, but terror no. And when Bush jnr invaded, far more violence than under Saddam!

    Before Gulf War I, there were british, french and russian experts helping Saddam, because with his war with Iran, Saddam was the good guy.

    The idea that Saddam was involved in islamic terror is plain preposterous, it is Bush jnr who was affiliated with the Bin Laden family.

    The guantanamo bay prisoners arent allowed a trial because that would then expose the abuses of the rendition program and a lot of CIA operatives and Bush jnr would go to jail. They were just rounding up innocent people to meet Bush jnr's demand that Saddam was to blame for 911 to distract attention from his paymasters in Saudi.

    Michael Moore has interviews with FBI people who say Bush ordered them to basically frame Saddam.

    Ethics is part of war, a war needs to be ethical, any offensive action needs to be commensurate. eg the carpet bombing of german cities in WW2 was because the germans had blitzed english cities.

    if you wage war ethically, you are much more likely to succeed.

  2. I'm still looking for the clip where Chris Wallace was clearly against the Iraq War, before it happened.

    well I appreciate him not being full of s*** now, I cannot find verifiable proof that he was not full of s*** in the past.

    Donahue got fired, and Wallace got kept?

  3. See trump always want to say other's threatening us when he's doing the threats. Like he say that the immigrants are threats when really he's the threat

  4. Bolton would just be another f……g DONKEY GENERAL Someone who leads from home base instead of leading from the front line..John let the wourld see if you have BALLS big enough to lead fron the front ????

  5. It will cost the US government an arm and a leg, if they attack Iran. The whole world accept Israel will be extremely happy to see the end of the Neoconservative empire, they will see it as a laughing stock.

  6. WHAT , MOST AMERICANS ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ DO NOT QUESTION IS , WHY THE USA ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ HAS MILITARY STATIONS , WORLDWIDE .!!!!! AT A COST OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS .๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ. !!!!!! . TALK ABOUT A (ROMAN EMPIRE) .๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿš€๐Ÿš€๐Ÿš€… READY FOR ANY WAR .!!!!!! .WHAT WAR MUNGERS !!!!!! .โ˜ ๏ธ๐Ÿ’€โ˜ ๏ธ๐Ÿ’”……..

  7. Wake up Donald, a war with Iran was planned years ago by the globalists. Get rid of the war hawks who lie to you

  8. ุณู†ูŠ ุดูŠุนูŠ ุณู„ููŠ ุตูˆููŠ ุงู„ู…ุณู„ู…ูˆู† ุฃู…ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ says:

    It's clear that the Zionist state and outdated Arab petro-dollar monarchs ..can't survive without crisis and wars to counter #ArsbSpringUprise for democracy and liberation of #Palestine

  9. "Trump's not an interventionist", ah yes tell that to Yemen, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, DPRK, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, everyone affected by AFCOM, etc…

  10. How can you advocate for power change in a foreign country??
    Look at his mustaches, he looks like a toy man. Trying to cause a war and then to send others people to fight. This time you should send himself, his family, his boss and their family

  11. Western Allies must ABSOLUTELY refuse to help this con man in any way, shape or form. Hasn't this amateur "statesman" insulted them enough already? His corrupt administration is manufacturing "threats" from Iran the same way Bush manufactured "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. Let's hope the American media won't fall for it the same way they did in the Iraq story. Let them go for it with Iran. They will quickly realize this time that it won't be a walk in the park…

  12. I will not take anything off the table with this corrupt childish president . WOW. God help everyone on earth .

  13. Bush has a lot of luck with Iraq on the mass destruction weapon for whatever reason. Trump this time probably will have a luck on his make up of the bombing of the tankers and pipeline. US , OMG the worst country in the world.

  14. I got a great idea, let's get all the B.S. fear mongerers out of Congress and the Senate and then see what countries have a problem with us!!! that way we'll be able to trust our own government to give us accurate information that'll benefit the United States, and not the United Nations!!!*
    we can't let our country go down the drain we got to get these criminals out of covering up that before they destroy the foundation of our country.

  15. Sign of the times Nation Rising up against Nation this weapons of war was Defeated and know all are Rising up I read the out come in the Revaluation Years ago no one knows why there Creating weapons Deep very Deep me my self I'm trying to get a security Guard job to protect a big business I have no ๐Ÿ’ฐ and only run into liars sabatoging future business playing Games if it's happening to me I see why others are creating bombs and Army's and all types of weapons of war I for see Terra coming the Time is at Hand word is Bond

  16. John Bolton is like the bullies on the playground who picks a fight with everyone except his equal,why are we not attacking North Korea or China?

  17. Vote him out,get him out of the Whitehouse he's going to destroy America or the world,Russia isn't going to just sit by and let Israel and America destroy it an what s wrong with these people?

  18. We only know the beginning of a war but you guys doesn't know how is going to be end, war is not the answer. Stop spreading the rumors of war.

  19. Bush was angling for war with Iraq even during the Gore/Bush debates, so, no, this isn't the same dynamic at work. Trump will be dragged into war by the hawks but the rollout to war will not be the same as Iraq and the consequences will be more immediately disastrous.

  20. America loves WAR. Especially wars based on lies. When will the American People wake up and cleanse their government?

  21. THERE YOU GO . . . BRIT GENERAL EXPOSES TRUMPS' ATTEMPTS TO WRENCH UP A WAR WITH IRAN . . . IN ORDER TO SAVE HIS FAILING PRESIDENCY . . . HE WOULD PUT YOUNG AMERICAN SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN IN HARMS WAY . . . TO SAVE HIS FAILED PRESIDENCY . . . HE HAS NO MANDATE TO GOVERN, AND HIS DECISIONS ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST AMERICAS' IDEALS OF DIPLOMACY AND PEACE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD . . . WHY IS TRUMP SO ANGRY AT THE WORLD . . . DOES HE THINK HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING? HOW ARROGANT AND UNAMERICAN CAN HE BE ? . . . IMPEACH THIS TERRIBLE MISTAKE, BEFORE HE GETS US ALL KILLED !!!

  22. Trade War Trump…..with a $1.1 TRILLION Deficit in 2019 it is inexcusable that Trump now has to give cash Welfare to farmers to buy their votes….sad!

  23. Too late to fight Iran a country with large numbers of military s scientists, most of them engineers, with large numbers of drones, military personals,and proxies, if real Iran landed a missile near USA embassy in Iraq this means no USA soldier and interests in midleast is safe there it will cripple the USA&eu economy if attacks Saudi and other USA allies in middle east,

  24. USA ! Rein in Bolton and Pompeo before its to late. They are Israeli stooges ! Ask yourself , โ€œ Do either of them have dual citizenshipโ€ ?????

  25. These warmongering politicians are sick god I hope theyโ€™ll get removed from power, When in history has a politician send their own children and family members to frontline war? NEVER

  26. We're moving into a offensive posture with not only Iran,but Russia, China, and other countries who buy Irans oil. A very precarious and bold moveon the US part indeed. The intentions of our Government is being kept from the American public. Why?

  27. The guy thar wants to go to war all the time has never been in a fist fight ironic. He got picked on in high school this is w happen s when people get bullied

  28. He's right though and that's the problem… going to war with another country because Israeli PM provided fake until to America and they fell hook like and sinker for it. This is Bolton's War don't forget. Bolton one said that he would like to wipe Iran off the face of the earth. He hates Iran and he doesn't have any official evidence to back IP his vlames. Don't forget John Bolton was turned down the position he has turned down by GWB Senior and GWB Junior for the same position. Anc if course Trump only hires inept feckless people instead of somebody who is intelligent and experienced to do their job. Not forgetting their is no Chief of Staff so their isn't anybody yo stop Trump form waking up one morning and saying… I'm going to war with Iran prepare an offensive air strike take them down. He is so unpredictable you never know what BS is going to come out of this mans mouth.

  29. I think that time is near when the world finally has the courage to say Israel/wahabis go to the naughty corner..you both have killed and snatched people's homes..Enough..i think they never were groomed by a strict nanny

  30. Iran is where Americas back will break,and China will finish it off.
    When America is strecht in the middle east,China will easily take Taiwan and take a very weak america on with help from Russia.
    Oh by the way,the one true thing about america is,it is the most hated country in the world.

  31. That John guy is full of evil. Regime change… Is it your country? You have your family safe at home and you wants to destroy someone's country. Nonsense

  32. Lol can't believe lorax is a warmonger!?๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

  33. A war with Iran now will make many fatherless babies, and these babies will be fighting in Iran 20 years from now.

  34. They went to war with Iraq nothing but lies day trying to do the same to Iran . Usa kissing Israel butt and Saudi Arabia the big picture it's oil

  35. The biggest threat to world Peace is netanyahus control of your governments middle East foreign policy to re-establish the Davidic kingdom

  36. Than Trump mustbe stupid to listen those two warmongers Bolton and Pompeo it will be much better if Trump kick the arses of those two warmongers.

  37. Bolton wasn't shy in taking $50.000 from exiled Iranians telling them that he expected regime change by 2019

  38. False Flags over & over again….USA POLICY of Democracy……America only Country too drop Nuclear Bombs on another country…..American Hypocrisy…

  39. Trump rapt negotiation 6+IRAN
    Trump unsuspected to last president sighed and UN
    Trump sanction 85 million Iranian
    does this democracy American
    I've been in a war, after 30 years silent I get up against USA
    Iranian don't like to war, war is too bad but this situation make Iranian an union
    USA attacked more than 20 countries in 200 years last
    Iranian will revenge all people USA murdered in the world
    Iran never attacked in 7000 years to other country but we are ready to sacrifice to Iran

    Iran have 3 million soldiers and navy's to defiance but in war will 80 million patriot to sacrifice for Iran
    Yankee go back into Mexico pigs golf, hear is Persian golf

    peace to world

  40. So who really wants a war with Iran? Who has been pushing for it long before Trump ever came along? Israel. Their lobby has bought and paid for the vast majority of the members in the US government. Funny how none of that is ever brought up on this program. I wonder why? Just ask yourself who owns NBC !!!

  41. BOLTON A PROMOTER ON WARS! ALLWAYS! HE'S THE BENEFICIARY! ON ALL PAST WARS! HE HAD PROMPTED! HE'S FAMILY IS NEVER ON THOSE! AS ALL THOSE WHO PROMOTE WARS! WINCH THEY WONT FIGHT!

  42. BOLTON A PROMOTER ON WARS! ALLWAYS! HE'S THE BENEFICIARY! ON ALL PAST WARS! HE HAD PROMPTED! HE'S FAMILY IS NEVER ON THOSE! AS ALL THOSE WHO PROMOTE WARS! WINCH THEY WONT FIGHT

  43. We're not going to war with Iran, y'all. This is genuinely wag the dog style fake news revved up by the administration.

  44. I remember Chris Matthews stating that the black community had better not retaliate against oppression because they would be destroyed. The World of Media said nothing about this dare. He was totally out of line with that comment. It was clear race baiting.

  45. How USA / England will pay for all the lies and the dead people in Iraq? Syria? Yemen?? And the saga continues

  46. TRUMP AND HE'S WAR MONGERS BOLT! AND CO. ALWAYS WANT MAKE WAR!! NO MATER WATT! THEY ARE MAKING PRETEXT TO DO THOSE WARS!!! NOW ALL EUROPE SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WIT IRAN!!!! IS PEACE! AND COUPLING WITH THEIR AGREEMENT!!

  47. Love litters๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜ƒ

  48. Americans are so Dumb ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿผ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ they believe their government

  49. WHAT Iranian treats? Is Iran's support for Palestinians against Israeli terrorism and expansionism in the region a threat to the US ? How so?

  50. โ€ฆ. Bahรก'u'llรกh (The promised one) further said, 'My purpose in coming to this corrupt world where the tyrants and traitors, by their acts of cruelty and oppression, have closed the doors of peace and tranquility to all mankind, is to establish, through the power of God and His might, the forces of justice, trust, security and faith. For instance [in the future] should a woman๏ผŒwho is unsurpassed in her beauty and adorned with the most exquisite and priceless jewels, travel unveiled and alone, โ€ฆ in all countries, there would be such a standard of justice, trustworthiness and faith on the one hand, and lack of treachery and degradation on the other, that no one would be found who would wish to rob her of her possessions or to cast a treacherous and lustful eye upon her beauteous chastity!…โ€Through the power of God I shall transform the peoples of the world into this exalted state and shall open this most great door to the face of all humanity." ๏ผˆAdib Taherzadeh, The Revelation of Baha'u'llah v2, p. 141๏ผ‰

  51. Bolton is hereby knighted as Sir John, the Chickenhawk and Butcher of Iraq (2003) and possibly of Iran (2019?) unless he is promptly fired due to universal disgust he has already generated.

  52. Iran is not the Enemy but the Secret KABAL who have been Financing Including the American Civil War and all wars on both sides to DATE .
    Blame it on the 6 MAJOR CORPORATIONS that run the global corporations through SHELLS at USARY.
    Allan Simoes.

  53. Well that's no surprise!.Merica and Chump Trump lying. Just another Gulf Of Tonkin incident. It's all to do with the petro dollar. Bolton is another bone spurs character and war mongerer, but too spineless to enter the fray himself

  54. West was not so wild just when
    Europians ruled there..But now
    Zionists..And this is the soul of
    Trump,s behaviour…

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