At Issue: Trump calls Canada a ‘disgrace’


[♪♪]>>Let’s start with the Trump-Canada story, as the U.S. President basically calls us a disgrace today. It is all over trade issues ranging from dairy products to lumber and timber. Some tweak. So, let’s talk. Chantal is here in Toronto.Maclean’spolitical editor Paul Wells is in Ottawa. And joining us from Vancouver, Angus Reid Institute’s executive director, Shachi Kurl. Let’s start by actually reminding ourselves of what Donald Trump actually said today. Here is a short clip.>>Canada, what they have done to our dairy farm workers is a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. I spent time with some of the farmers in Wisconsin, and as you know, rules, regulations, different things have changed. And our farmers in Wisconsin and in New York State are being put out of business, our dairy farmers. And that also includes what’s happening along our northern border states with Canada having to do with lumber and timber.>>And he also talked a little bit about energy. So what does all this say from the guy who was saying just a little while ago, any changes are just minor tweaks? Now we are into much deeper rhetoric. Chantal?>>That what Donald trump says when he is next to you is probably valid until you step out of the room, and his priorities electorally or politically move on, that whoever is going to be negotiating these issues with Canada is going to be under pressure from the White House to wrestle major concessions, and that Justin Trudeau is going to be under pressure from his own voters to respond in kind at some point.>>Paul, you saw Justin Trudeau today as he was talking about trade issues and the relationship with the States. But it was before that exchange that Donald Trump had.>>Yeah, and Trudeau has — this debate has been– or this discord has been a few days coming. And the response of the Trudeau government has been to have the ambassador David McNaughton send angry letters to the mayors of two border states, New York and another one. That’s traditional. That’s the way a rational government interacts with a rational set of governments, including state governments in normal times. But that is not what we have here. It’s clear that Donald Trump listens to the last person he talked to. Somehow, he got out of his bubble and talked to some mid-western dairy farmers. And now, it is starting to look like Justin Trudeau is going to have to get on a plane and become the last person that Donald Trump spoke to again. He’s going to have to go to the White House. And I would not be at all surprised if that happens within the next three or four weeks. To me, the most telling part in the clip you played is where the President says, “Rules, regulations, whatever have changed.” That’s the level of attention to detail this guy has. He is not interested in arguments about the fact that American dairy farmers sell into our market for hundreds of millions of dollars more than we sell into theirs. That’s not interesting to him. What’s interesting to him is that mid-western dairy farmers are complaining, and so Justin Trudeau, I think, is probably going to have to make the case in person again.>>You know, Shachi, you look at data, I don’t know whether you’re ever asked these kind of questions, but is there — do you think there is a sense among Canadians that they want Canada to up its, you know, verbal exchange with the U.S. if that — if hard ball is the way that Donald Trump wants to play it?>>Well, there is sort of an existential angst in this. Because on one hand, yes, they do want to see Justin Trudeau throwing some flames of his own and upping the ante and taking a hard line to meet Donald Trump’s hard line. But at the same time, they express a lot of concern and not a lot of confidence in Canada’s ability and the Prime Minister’s ability to really be effective in doing that or to win that spitting match. And it has less to do in some cases with the abilities of the Prime Minister, or of Justin Trudeau particularly, and more just to the fact that Donald Trump is a loose cannon. We know this. And so no matter what we do, it may be very hard to win.>>Do we take from today that the game on this issue has changed, though, or? Chantal?>>What we have to take from this week is that the strategy of being off the radar in the negative sense, not being mentioned, not being on the hit list is so far failing; which is why, yes, I agree with Paul that Justin Trudeau may head to the White House again. And then when he leaves, what happens three days, three weeks later when the President speaks to someone else, is the big question. We are not dealing here with a professional president who is dealing with the issue in a professional way.>>Peter: All right. I want to move to housing. Because it’s been at top of mind to a lot of people this week. Governments, homeowners, and those who wish they could buy a home. Government’s involving themselves, as we have seen, this week in Ontario, three levels. We’ve seen it before in B.C. Shachi, in general, how big an issue is housing when it comes to politics?>>It’s huge. I mean, in metro Vancouver, it is the number one issue. Top of mind. Particularly on the backs of and driven by the anxieties and discontent of young professional people in this region who can’t- forget access the real estate market, they can’t even find a place to rent. And they’re not underemployed. In the GTA, people are overwhelmingly inclined to say that housing prices and at the rate at which they’re increasing is hurting the region, not benefiting it. So what this is doing is it’s creating winners and losers. People who are already in the market who have something at stake, they don’t want to see their equity chipped away at by government interfering or trying to cool the market. And you’ve got those, I don’t like to call them losers, but people who are not in that winning column and are trying to get there and they just can’t right now.>>Peter: What, you know, you’ve kind of touched on a couple areas. But Paul, give us a sense of what risks there are for governments when they start playing in the housing issue?>>First of all, there is a risk in not addressing these issues. Because suddenly they can go from not being salient, from not being something that people make their voting decisions based on, to suddenly mattering a lot. Remember, in the 2006 provincial election in New Brunswick, Bernard Lord was the premier there. He got laid low over energy prices, which had not been particularly a political issue until a few months before he lost power. That sure got noticed by a lot of people in Ottawa, at the time. Similarly, the opposition party, the main opposition party in Ontario led by Patrick Brown, the Conservatives, have been making a lot of hay over housing prices lately and would have capitalized on it if the Wynne government in Ontario had done nothing about it. But the problem is, if you jump in and you implement some measures that seek to cool the housing market, then you own the issue. And if you’re not successful, or if there are unintended consequences, as there almost always are when the government jumps into the market in a big way, then you own those consequences, too.>>Peter: Chantal?>>Two points– the first, it is very difficult for the federal government to act in a meaningful way in the sense that the federal governments do things for the entire country, and these are situations that are localized in B.C. and now Ontario. The problem for the federal government, whatever Ontario does might have a spillover effect on real estate markets in Quebec, for instance. And so the problem starts getting bigger. Second point, yes, politically, provincial governments, especially those that are facing elections, have to act. I am old enough to have covered an election in ’75 where Bill Davis lost his majority over rent control. So when the rent control issue starts to spring up in Ontario and in the Ontario electorate, it can take down parties and governments in its wake.>>I would just say that there is nothing more visceral for people. And I think Paul and Chantal have covered that. But you know, when you’re talking about where people sleep, where they eat, where they raise their kids and entertain their friends, this is so vital. And so yes, the policy criticism may be around don’t interfere, and in fact, it may not be affective. You know, a lot of people believe that there is not a lot that government can really do to change market forces. But, the appearance of being tone deaf and disengaged on this issue could be political suicide. And so, you know, at some point you reach a tipping point where ignoring the issue or saying there is no story here, there is not much we can do, may be the right policy approach, but it’s certainly not the political approach that politicians want to be taking.>>All right, well, let me take part of that answer. What can– Paul, you start us– what can governments do to have an impact on the market?>>Well, I think there is a relatively new element to the very hot housing markets in Ontario and in B.C., which is non-resident speculators. People from offshore who are buying and flipping land. And I do think it’s appropriate for governments to take specific aim at that, which first the Christie Clark government in B.C. did, and now Kathleen Wynne’s government has done in Ontario. A 15 per cent tax on non-resident investment. But that’s dangerous because in both provinces, in both Vancouver and in Toronto, the local economy depends a lot on people moving in from outside. Both at low income levels and at high income levels. And you don’t want to discourage that. So it’s really hard to differentiate between someone who lives in Moscow or Beijing and is flipping for fun and profit, versus someone who actually wants to come here and contribute to the economy. You begin to see the challenges in fine-tuning any policy approach.>>And remember, this isn’t just an issue for people who actually have houses; it is an issue for people with kids who are looking for houses. So it’s a societal issue, and that’s why it’s got legs. Now, you will notice that while the federal government is not doing a lot, and I don’t think that they could or should, they are starting to keep track — or closer track of what is happening. As of this year, you have to report the sale of your home. It doesn’t mean you’re going to be paying income tax on it, but you didn’t have to, in the past, report on your income tax that you’d sold a home over the previous year. So you can see that they are trying to get at least a handle as to who is buying what and doing what.>>Shachi, I’ll give you the last word here. Some people think we in Canada are naive. That we live in a world where cities the size of Toronto and the importance of Vancouver are paying much higher prices for their homes, whether they are houses or condos, than we are. You know, and I’m sure that argument has played out somewhat in Vancouver over time. Does anyone buy that?>>You know, a lot of that has to do with how housing prices and housing costs are tied to income. So in London, in Moscow, in Beijing, income levels in New York are very much based on if you want to live in the city, employers have to be able to pay you to be able to live in the city. And there are enough corporate head offices, there is enough industry, there is enough business going on in order to support that. What we risk, particularly in metro Vancouver, but it could go the same way in the GTA, is creating resort communities, where if you can’t pay workers enough to be able to live in the city and pay the premium to be in an area where they need to get to work on time, you are going to really just create ghost towns where very few who are able to afford it can be there and everyone else is dealing with a very long, painful commute. And it becomes unsustainable over time. And employers are already telling us that.>>Peter: All right, we’re going to leave it at that. Good discussion. We thank you all. Shachi, Good to have you back with us. And Paul, you too. Chantal, you’re in Toronto tonight.

100 thoughts on “At Issue: Trump calls Canada a ‘disgrace’

  1. AS Canadians are we so weak that we need a special deal advantage in order to survive? Canadien eh!

  2. OUR DEAR GOVERNMENT MESSED UP AGAIN NOW ON A STRESSS TEST FOR BUYERS. THE BANK MORTGAGE RULES ARE HORRIFIC AND REALLY HURT ALL PEOPLE THAT CAN NOT DEDUCT THE INTEREST ON THEIR MORTGAGES. IT ONLY MAKES THE BANKERS AND LENDERS RICHER ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU ADD THE FEES AND BONUSES.THIS MUST BE CURTAILED IMMEDIALTELTAXES. INTEREST RATES ARE EXPECTED TO RISE SO CANADA NEEDS TO STAND ALONE AND PREPARE WITH ALLOWING CANADIANS TO PURCHASE CANADIAN MADE HOMES AT FAIR MORTGAGE RATES, ANY RAETES ABOVE 4 OR 5 PERCENT IS DEADLY FOR CITY MARKETS. IN FACT CANADA NEEDS TWO CURRENCIES. ONE CANADIAN DOLLAR FOR DOMESTIC USE AND ONE INTERNATIONAL CURRENCY TO DEAL WITH THE WORLD IMPORT EXPORT ECONOMEY AND ANOTHER TNEM CANADIAN HOUSING CAN FINALLY BE PROPERLY PRICED. CANADA FIRST AND CANADIANS HAVING AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE IS CRITIV=CAL. ALSO CANADIANS THAT HAVE EQUITY IN THEIR HOMES SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED. HER COUNTRIEW.WILL FINALLY SEE TRADE AND PURCHASE PRICES STABELIZE AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE A LOT OF UNNECESSARY 9 TO 5 WORK SLAVERY AT LOW WAGES GONE FOREVER. THEN PROPERLY PRICED WILL RIDE BUT ONLY THE CANADIAN DOLLAR WILL EFFECT PRICES. THE INTERNATIONAL CURRENCY CAN BE USED FOR A LOT OF THINGS BUT SINGLE FAMILY DOMESTIC IS NOT ONE OF THEM. HOWEVER EXCEPTIONS CAN BE MADE LIKE HOTELS LARE DEVEKOPMENTS SKYSCRAPERS ETC. AND ALL INDUSTRIAL JOBS AND INFRASTUCTURE FACILITIES. THEY CAN HAVE HELP BUT CAN NOT USE CANADIAN DOLLARS. PER SAY..
    INCOME IS CRITICAL BUT YOU NEED JOBS AND INVESTMENT AND INFRASTUCTURE AND A PLEDGE FROM MR. TRUMP TO HELP CANADA BECOME GREAT AGAIN. WITH HIS HELP SECOND ONLY TO SMERICA VERSUS IT'DS SIZE.
    THE NEW MOVEMENT "" CANADA FOR TRUMP"" TIME WE ALL GOT ABATD THE TRUMP TRAIN OPEN THE MARKETS AND PROPSER AND HAVE TRUMPS PLEDEGE TO BRING IN NEW EMPLOYMENT. A FOOD FIGHT IS THE LAST THING WE NEED AND BESIDES CANADA WOULD LOSE BADLY ESPECIALLY UNDER MR. TRUDEAU THE MAN THAT WON'T BE PUSHED SROUND, LET HE HAS CANADA OVERRU WITH EERY RACE AND MUSLEM IN THE WORLD YOU COULD THINKOF. ALL THAT IS SAVING US IS OUR AMERICAN FRIENDS AND A LOWER POPULATION OF OVERALL PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS MOST OF WHICH NEARLY SPEAK ENGLISH. TRUDEAU HAD BETTER SMARTEN UP FAST. CANADA CAN NOT WIN A PRICE WAR. MR. TRUDEAU SHOULD PREPARE A PLAN (B) I WOULD NE HAPPY TO HELP. THE PLAN CONSISTS OF THRE THINGS.
    A OPEN AND RECREPRICAL FARE TRADE WITH THE USA
    B REAL BORDERS STRONG IMMIGRATION LAWS AND TWO CURRENCIES. DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL.
    C MR TRUMPS PLEDGE TO BRING JOBS ABD PLANTS TO CANADA AT LEAST 500.

    CONCLUSION: CANADA WILL BE MADE GREAT GAIAN BUT # 2 BEHIND AMERICA.WITH OUR FULL COOPERATION INCLUDING MILITARY, AS MAY BE NEEDED.

    THEN AMERICA WOULD SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE. FORGET ABOUT DAISY FARMENR THAT IS AN EADY FIX AND STEEL AMD ALUMINU THAT MUST BE MADE IN CANADA OR WE WILL BECOME A THIRD WORKD NATION. THESE VOLUMES SHOULD INCREASE WITH THE HELP AD BLESSING OF THE USA. OUR QUALITY MUST BE THE BEST IN THE WORLD THEN CANADA WILL BE ON THE RAOS TO RECOVERY.

    NOTE: REGARDING MARIJUANA IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEGALIZED YEARS AGO ALONG WITH PROSTITUTION BOTH HUMAN DESIRES NEED TO BE WATCHED MOITORED AND CONTROLLED. NOT PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR BEING HUMAN. HEALTH FACILITIES SHOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES, BUT ANYTHING BEATS THE STRETS.CALL ME I WOULD LOVE TO HELP CANADA BOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN TO SUCCESS. ER DO NOT NEED A TRUDEAU TRAIN PLEASE.

  3. I love the way you snidely smear the American President – but never forget that we have Mr. Dressup. I have no confidence in Mr. Dressup

  4. I think Trump is awesome, I’m Canadian but I like him. We need a real man to work for Canada . The USA is doing well andwill do well with Trump. Wish he worked for Canada

  5. Canadian Media really likes to avoid just how the Liberals are screwing us, and how we struck first, second and third, and how our current Liberal Party is way out of it's league when it comes to trade.

  6. Yea right. A question for all you trumpites. Where are all of the trump's manufacturing factories? Not in amrika!

  7. Canada V USA    360000000/36000000 the usa could easely crush us! I would not recommend battle with the Americans we should use the premise"Its Nice to be Important But its more important to be Nice" try not to rattle the Lions cage.

  8. Let us do the..right ..thing we must ..the..President. ..loves. ..canada he said it policies changes ..for..the better of the..world and. .we the pple we ..have a world. ..2..take care of….come aboard..it will happen i can tell u mcga. .😇😍

  9. WOW, Raw logs from BC, are a problem for Trump, when they are looking at logging National parks because they have no wood, WOW! Keep our timber growing in Canada! THANK!

  10. Why are the Canadian people in favor of paying for a Chinese style, Government owned/run propaganda media operation? Talk about living in a bubble….Listen to what he said, he did not say Canada is a disgrace. He said what Canada did to our farmers is a disgrace. Get your facts straight.

  11. mr Trump you sir a LIAR and a disgrace to mankind do not come to Canada you stain us with your STENCH i hope all your companys go BANKRUPT

  12. President Trump is great. Bringing back our jobs and businesses. We the people agree with Trump. Deals that work for America or no deal.

  13. He is very professional. That's way this is on the radar in first place, Canada charges us 300 %and we charge 3%,!!! How is this fair ? It's crazy and had to stop!!! Should be even ,no terifs 0%

  14. The party is over for man-boy Trudeau. Trump is a great person we are proud of. If Canada wants war "can do". We are fed up with anti-trump baloney. We can and will break Canada's economic spine.

  15. Can't wait for our president Trump cut all trades with Canada and teach all countries doing business with US a lesson! He he he!

  16. Is this a fascist news agency. Like the comments turn on for all storys please. Wanted to make a comment on the gang story but as usual it was turned off. Why if it's about a canadian problem we can't voice our thoughts.

  17. HE SAID THAT CAUSE HE TOOK IT OUT ON JUSTINE G7 BECAUSE HE ASK THE FRENCH LEADER LEAVE G7 WHATEVER HE WOULD NOT PUT EXTRA TAXES. HE WANTS CONTROL THE WORLD HE IS ABUSING HIS POWERS

  18. To our Canadian friends, that crazy man in the white house DOES NOT SPEAK FOR AMERICA, his INSANE SUPPORTERS are his ONLY BASE, the rest of us HATE what he's doing to our country, PLEASE HANG IN THERE TILL WE CAN IMPEACH AGOLF TWITLER

  19. A lot is in the hands of Canadians and an insistence on buying from other Canadians. We have the power of boycotting and support of those that support Canada.

  20. Donald Trump is intentionally trying to tank the USA economy with a disastrous trade war. He believes that this will help him achieve his goal of installing a full-blown totalitarian dictatorship!

  21. Trudeau is a disgrace and he’s the one talking different behind Trump’s back. If international trade were truly fair and even, Canada wouldn’t sell any dairy at all.

  22. Ibanka should do the same. She buy french shoes and clothing and gets her products made in China. Hypocrite.

  23. How can a lot of Americans believe the lies and b.s. coming out of that orange face. I don't think he's playing with a full deck.

  24. As a Canadian I just want to tell to the Americans we put these steep tarifs on American milk because your milk has anti-biotics in your milk which our milk has not. So, what is better, the milk with anti-biotics from the US or would you like buy Canadian milk without these artificial things and a more original, organic product?

  25. This coming from a guy that's stiffs building contractors
    And has multiple bankruptcies.
    Now his trade policies are on the way to bankrupting the states

  26. As a Patriotic USA Citizen I affirm that Faker 45 is the disgrace. We in the States have to modernise our Constitution to disallow minority presidents. It has been a disaster. Keep in mind that many of us don't support the tariffs he has placed on you. We are working hard to get him out of office.

  27. TRUMP IS HIMSELF A DISGRACE AND A MENTAL SICK FOOL WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW TO LEAD A COUNTRY LIKE AMERICA…

  28. Trump was beaten from his father like a dog when he was a small boy and this type if person has learned to be a Liar, a coward, and now that Putin is supporting him he is even more and more arrogant…

  29. Canada is a disgrace under Crime Minister Truddoccio. Anyone who pays off convicted terrorists millions of dollars, has globalist open borders, allows ISIS fighter's back in to Canada without any consequences. Denounces Jews and Christians and pay's millions to Hamas is a [email protected]#king treasonous traitor. Lock TRUDEAU the globalist TOOL UP. And you Lieberal CBC Clowns, get lost.

  30. CANADA IS A DISGRACE UNLESS WE START TO PUT CANADA FIRST, WHICH MEANS EQUALIZING FREE TRADE ASAP. THE KEY TO SURVIVAL IS CANADIAN MANUFACTURING WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED.

  31. He did not say Canada is a disgrace. He said the Canadian dealings with dairy farm products are a disgrace. Not the same thing – a misleading, inflammatory headline, apparently just to get more clicks.

  32. Trump is a disgrace he is a liar a thief immoral please Canada this man is a nut case and I apologize for this horrible person there's a lot of people that never wanted him in in fact a lot more than did. It's embarrassing for most of us what is happening here is past insane.

  33. Canada survives only through the good graces of USA,…without America you Canadians would have been easily overtaken and now part of Russia many years ago…..thank the USA every day

  34. President Trump is the only disgrace do back at you trump any one who can see that is not a disgrace Canada is obviously smarter than you think trump and you can learn a lot Mr. Trump you crook you
    Str nothing but s loud mouth bully lol try learning how to treat ppl with class oh yes your country is obviously suffering lol the only disgrace is you lmao you are not fit to be president /fraud its the only way you got in

  35. Trump is not out to destroy Canada's economy, Trump is going to bring down Trudeau, because he is completely corrupt… and worse… wait and See!

  36. But not quite as disgraceful as taking a knee for Vladimir Putin on a "private" one on one. Next summit perhaps they will provide a towel for him to wipe his chin. It was pathetic.

  37. Time for Canadians to take the helm and boycott American goods.That is what Trump wants by increasing tariffs…that's what he will get. European made goods are generally better made anyways. We should be increasing trade with the UK and EU. We also have to promote "made in Canada" and "buy Canadian".

  38. American dairy farmers are eagerly learning from Canada, on how to set up their system to copy ours. I think that's going to be a saving grace, from all angles. Trump losses because he was and is against a properly regulated system …he will take credit for it though, it's his nature.

  39. They are the biggest importer in the world. We hold the goods they need to function. Don't give an inch to Trumped-up BS. It's all about American Privilege. We don't have Free Trade with predatory capitalists. Trump is not a loose cannon. He is busy trying to bully his allies…started with Mexico…Australia….it was our turn, his first excuse to bluster. Threaten to withdraw from NAFTA which has not served Canada's citizens well, because it gave Wall St a free hand in our economy. This is Cartel Politics.

  40. 0:42 what President said “Canada what it has done to our dairy farm workers is a disgrace” he did not call Canada a disgrace. Don’t let media twisted our thinking.

  41. Like Mr. Foss states. "sell our lumber else ware. But lets not stop there! Turn off the oil, hydro @ all building/construction materials. Also, revoke any & ALL foreign ownership of Canadian resources. May not win that one but, we can tie it up in the courts for years. Typical Trump business practises.

  42. We need to send you Canadians to you go girl island. Only thing on this island are things made by Canadian women. If your alive at the end of a week we can talk about a trade deal

  43. Hmmm…buy canadian hire canadian….build canadian…our country is actully bigger with less people.soooo more people from forign countries..more housing would be needed more food more of everthing..and as canadians and forigners..most can handle..just about anything…the forign people leave there countries for a reason…give 70 % of our oil and electricity to the u.s…then have to buy it back…we make steel..we just dont have florida oranges…we can get that from another country..nafta…we can adjust..same as china

  44. I do not like trump, he should have been ineligible to campaign for president. But he earns points for saying the truth.

  45. The anchor twisted Donald Trump's words,
    He did not call Canada a "disgrace" .
    He said "…what they've done to our dairy farm workers is a disgrace… "
    That is a big difference,
    There is a reason I get my news from Germen and Russian media. Never from the biased CBC or Global…

  46. What a load of bullshit! THIS FROM CBC NEWS? CBC PROPAGANDA IS MORE LIKE IT! NO WHERE DID I HEAR HIM SAY "CANADA IS A DISGRACE". HE SAID WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HIS DAIRY FARMERS IS A DISGRACE. Why the hell are Canadians shipping milk to the United States? Let Canadians supply the Canadian market, and Americans supply the American market. Forget all this trade deal BULLSHIT! We will sell you some of our products if you want them. If so, this is what we are charging for the products in question. Don't like it, then don't buy it.

  47. Canadá is #1 as the greatest country to live in. Canada, already great. ! We live above a meth lab. If our countries Were a prison USA would be our biatch.

  48. It is not Trump, it is Trudeau doing the problem, you people don't know it all.
    Trudeau is a liying, and you all believe him, stop being so dumb.Do you people are being taken, listen to what Trump has to say why he changed his mind.
    Chantel, it is not Trump, you people are believing Trudeau, he is out to destroy Canada.
    Open your eyes!!

  49. Interesting.  He never said Canada is a disgrace.  He said 'What Canada is doing to US dairy farmers is a disgrace".   Responsible reporting should not take things out of context.  This is out of context.That said, this has been going on for more than 30 years, if not longer.  So Trump or whom ever is President has been debating this with Canada for a very long time.  Softwood has always a disagreement.  Farming is not different.

  50. WTF? YOURE OUR BEST FRIENDS.
    We like you guys better than we like alot of our own countrymen.
    Ok so what are the facts? He usually just tells one side.

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